Re: [Tagging] "Temporary" road with once-per-half-hour access.

[Tijmen Stam]

I have now seen and added the road.
The road has an official manual: 
http://www.hautes-alpes.fr/evenement/1033/1639-actualite.htm (download 
the PDF)


See http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/50791084

I have not tried to map the situation on this little poece of road 
, where from the whole and 
half hour to 7 past traffic should drive on the right, and from :15-:22 
and :45-:52 traffic should drive on the left :-)


The proper tagging for the turning circle (oneway:conditional = yes @ 
(times for direction Abriès); -1 @ (times for direction Aiguilles) was 
more than 255 characters long :-)


Tijmen






On 20-07-17 21:52, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:



2017-07-18 23:18 GMT+02:00 Tijmen Stam >:


On 18-07-17 22:26, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:


At the start towards Abriès, an "access:forward = no" +
"access:forward:conditional = yes @ (22:00-22:07,
22:30-22:37, ... )" tag over a short section, and mutatis
mutandis at the other end?



I would do it similarly, but put less emphasis on the traffic
lights, something like
vehicle=no
vehicle:conditional = yes @ (22:00-06:00)


How do you mean "less emphasis on the traffic lights"?



Sorry, I had thought it was every 7 minutes, but as it is every half an 
hour, being more explicit might indeed make sense.




(or are the restrictions for pedestrians as well?)


I don't know, but the emergency route isn't the most logical route
for pedestrians nor cyclists.



it doesn't matter, if pedestrians can go there anytime, you shouldn't 
exclude them.


Cheers,
Martin


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Re: [Tagging] "Temporary" road with once-per-half-hour access.

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2017-07-18 23:18 GMT+02:00 Tijmen Stam :

> On 18-07-17 22:26, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>
>>
>> At the start towards Abriès, an "access:forward = no" +
>>> "access:forward:conditional = yes @ (22:00-22:07, 22:30-22:37, ... )" tag
>>> over a short section, and mutatis mutandis at the other end?
>>>
>>
>>
>> I would do it similarly, but put less emphasis on the traffic lights,
>> something like
>> vehicle=no
>> vehicle:conditional = yes @ (22:00-06:00)
>>
>
> How do you mean "less emphasis on the traffic lights"?



Sorry, I had thought it was every 7 minutes, but as it is every half an
hour, being more explicit might indeed make sense.



>
>
> (or are the restrictions for pedestrians as well?)
>>
>
> I don't know, but the emergency route isn't the most logical route for
> pedestrians nor cyclists.
>


it doesn't matter, if pedestrians can go there anytime, you shouldn't
exclude them.

Cheers,
Martin
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Re: [Tagging] "Temporary" road with once-per-half-hour access.

[Tijmen Stam]

On 18-07-17 22:26, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:



sent from a phone


On 18. Jul 2017, at 22:11, Tijmen Stam  wrote:

At the start towards Abriès, an "access:forward = no" + "access:forward:conditional 
= yes @ (22:00-22:07, 22:30-22:37, ... )" tag over a short section, and mutatis mutandis at 
the other end?



I would do it similarly, but put less emphasis on the traffic lights, something 
like
vehicle=no
vehicle:conditional = yes @ (22:00-06:00)


How do you mean "less emphasis on the traffic lights"?


(or are the restrictions for pedestrians as well?)


I don't know, but the emergency route isn't the most logical route for 
pedestrians nor cyclists.


I'm going there next week, haven't been able to find much info on the 
actual route, so gonna put it on OSM using vespucci.



then you could add the traffic lights and add some tag for the frequency (or 
make it up if there isn't), and a note...

cheers,
Martin


Thx

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Re: [Tagging] "Temporary" road with once-per-half-hour access.

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 18. Jul 2017, at 22:11, Tijmen Stam  wrote:
> 
> At the start towards Abriès, an "access:forward = no" + 
> "access:forward:conditional = yes @ (22:00-22:07, 22:30-22:37, ... )" tag 
> over a short section, and mutatis mutandis at the other end?


I would do it similarly, but put less emphasis on the traffic lights, something 
like 
vehicle=no
vehicle:conditional = yes @ (22:00-06:00)

(or are the restrictions for pedestrians as well?)

then you could add the traffic lights and add some tag for the frequency (or 
make it up if there isn't), and a note...

cheers,
Martin 
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[Tagging] "Temporary" road with once-per-half-hour access.

[Tijmen Stam]

Hello,

Near my parent's holiday cabin an earthslide-waiting-to-happen has 
rendered the normal road accessible only in daylight.

An emergency road has been made, with the following characteristics:
- open from 22:00 to 6:00 (when the main road is closed)
- One-way, alternating every "30 minutes" (should be every 15)
- Opening hours direction Abriès: 22h00, 22h30, 23h00 etc
- Opening hours direction Aiguilles: 22h15, 22h45, 23h15 etc.
- Duration of green light: 7 minutes

(and then some general weight/axleload/length restrictions).

If I were pedantic, how would I map this?

At the start towards Abriès, an "access:forward = no" + 
"access:forward:conditional = yes @ (22:00-22:07, 22:30-22:37, ... )" 
tag over a short section, and mutatis mutandis at the other end?


I foresee that this situation will last several years. Since march this 
year the normal road has been open to traffic in daylight only (which is 
far shorter in spring), the departement has been working hard to open 
the emergency road in time for the tourist season.


Are there any other cases in the world where something like this is mapped?
I found the Anton Anderson memorial Tunnel in Alaska to have a 
directional access timetable like this (see schedule at 
), but not mapped.


Tijmen

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