Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] the map on osm.org - airstrips showing only at zoom 10

2011-06-25 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/25 John Smith :
> Wasn't there some discussion about that before, how important airports
> such as LAX should show sooner than regional airports which should
> show up sooner than grass airstrips.


Yes, the discussions and proposals are endless for this. Suggestions
are usually that you should deduct the importance by analyzing the map
dat (e.g. surface of the runway, length of the runway) and combine OSM
data with external sources (numbers of starts/landings a year, number
of passengers a year, freight volumes, ...).

Personally I think that to get a rough estimate it is sufficient to
tag the most important ones with

aeroway=airport

this renders nicely and is suitable IMHO, even if it is not the
ultimate level of detail.

cheers,
Martin

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Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] the map on osm.org - airstrips showing only at zoom 10

2011-06-25 Thread John Smith
On 25 June 2011 20:47, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer  wrote:
> 2011/6/25 John Smith :
>> Wasn't there some discussion about that before, how important airports
>> such as LAX should show sooner than regional airports which should
>> show up sooner than grass airstrips.
>
>
> Yes, the discussions and proposals are endless for this. Suggestions
> are usually that you should deduct the importance by analyzing the map
> dat (e.g. surface of the runway, length of the runway) and combine OSM
> data with external sources (numbers of starts/landings a year, number
> of passengers a year, freight volumes, ...).

Seems pretty simple to me, importance is going to be partially
subjective, even if 2 airports have similar number of flights, some
will have 747s & 380s and some won't.

highway=* classifications seems at least partially subjective as well.

I see the need for at least 4 or 5 airport types, major international
airports, minor international airports, regional airports, tiny
airports and airstrips.

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Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] the map on osm.org - airstrips showing only at zoom 10

2011-06-25 Thread John Smith
On 26 June 2011 02:38, Alan Millar  wrote:
> As has been said a number of times, OSM is a "do-ocracy".  At this point, 
> more discussions just aren't going to resolve it.

A little discussion might allow us to harmonise tags, so 10 people
don't go off and do their own thing and then need to make massive
changes.
> Just pick something, like "importance=[1-5]" or 
> "airport_class=[major|minor|regional|airstrip]" and tag them.  Such values 
> can always be translated into another form later, and/or it just gains 
> traction and becomes the standard.  No reason to wait further.

I'm a fan of subtagging :) So I'd be more likely to do something like this:

aeroway=aerodrome
aerodrome=[major|minor|regional|airstrip]

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Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] the map on osm.org - airstrips showing only at zoom 10

2011-06-25 Thread Toby Murray
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 11:55 AM, John Smith  wrote:
> I'm a fan of subtagging :) So I'd be more likely to do something like this:
>
> aeroway=aerodrome
> aerodrome=[major|minor|regional|airstrip]

I could maybe see some confusion between "minor" and "regional" but it
could work. Looks like this tag is already in limited use. There are
30 objects with aerodrome=international and 15 with "private" so those
could probably be easily converted to major and airstrip, respectively
plus perhaps an access=private.

Toby

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