Re: [Tagging] Tagging ideas for a non-profit ”course center”
Hello Jyri-Petteri Paloposki Maybe amenity=coworking_space combined with operator:type=private_non_profit fits for a place like that? Best regards, Markus Von: Jyri-Petteri Paloposki<mailto:jyri-petteri.palopo...@iki.fi> Gesendet: Samstag, 18. Januar 2020 00:13 An: tagging@openstreetmap.org<mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org> Betreff: Re: [Tagging] Tagging ideas for a non-profit ”course center” On 21.9.2019 12.52, Tom Pfeifer wrote: > I'd see that very suitable. You can define the subtype by tagging > community_centre=*, and I would not see a requirement that the facility > needs to be open to everybody, it can be for a specific user group, > which can be tagged with community_centre:for=* . This is the one that seems most suitable from the current tags, but I'm still a bit stuck on the idea that a community centre should also have some communal functions. These course centres I'm referring to don't really belong to the community, but basically just provide space for rent for users, which are usually non-profit because of the low-end facilities. When I look at the definition of a community centre in Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_centre#Uses_and_activities), the only one that matches IMO is the one about renting a space. Is it thus really a community centre? Best regards, -- Jyri-Petteri Paloposki ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging ideas for a non-profit ”course center”
On 21.9.2019 12.52, Tom Pfeifer wrote: I'd see that very suitable. You can define the subtype by tagging community_centre=*, and I would not see a requirement that the facility needs to be open to everybody, it can be for a specific user group, which can be tagged with community_centre:for=* . This is the one that seems most suitable from the current tags, but I'm still a bit stuck on the idea that a community centre should also have some communal functions. These course centres I'm referring to don't really belong to the community, but basically just provide space for rent for users, which are usually non-profit because of the low-end facilities. When I look at the definition of a community centre in Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_centre#Uses_and_activities), the only one that matches IMO is the one about renting a space. Is it thus really a community centre? Best regards, -- Jyri-Petteri Paloposki ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging ideas for a non-profit ”course center”
On 23.9.2019 9.49, Warin wrote: "Thirty en-suite bedrooms ranging from standard and family rooms to individually styled Executive Rooms. All bedrooms are equipped with tea and coffee-making facilities, telephones and colour televisions. Dormitory accommodation and camping facilities are also available by arrangement. Exclusive use of the hotel, its grounds and facilities can be arranged subject to availability. Camping is available which must be booked in advance. The charge is £6 per person per night which includes use of the indoor heated swimming pool and showers. It seems I forgot about this discussion, sorry! Anyway, I meant that the course centers I'm referring to are more low end – no reception, no staff (except possibly a cook, though only in the larger ones). The one you linked seemed more high-end with en-suite rooms, reception and other facilities. Best regards, -- Jyri-Petteri Paloposki ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging ideas for a non-profit ”course center”
On 22/09/19 16:10, Jyri-Petteri Paloposki wrote: On 22.9.2019 1.52, Warin wrote: There are similar places , mostly to run corporate training events .. for example Baskerville Hall Hotel, http://www.baskervillehall.co.uk/ Way: Baskerville Hall Hotel (502969627). Tagged as a Hotel in OSM. You can camp there, and they have conference rooms too. This indeed seems more like a hotel than these course centers I'm referring to. They don't have reception or en-suite rooms and are quite a bit more low-end. ??? "Thirty en-suite bedrooms ranging from standard and family rooms to individually styled Executive Rooms. All bedrooms are equipped with tea and coffee-making facilities, telephones and colour televisions. Dormitory accommodation and camping facilities are also available by arrangement. Exclusive use of the hotel, its grounds and facilities can be arranged subject to availability. Camping is available which must be booked in advance. The charge is £6 per person per night which includes use of the indoor heated swimming pool and showers. Executive style twins or doubles…. £60 Executive style singles… £70 Standard doubles, twins or triples… £50 Standard single £60" Reception is in front of the 1839 staircase... Low end? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging ideas for a non-profit ”course center”
On 22.9.2019 1.52, Warin wrote: There are similar places , mostly to run corporate training events .. for example Baskerville Hall Hotel, http://www.baskervillehall.co.uk/ Way: Baskerville Hall Hotel (502969627). Tagged as a Hotel in OSM. You can camp there, and they have conference rooms too. This indeed seems more like a hotel than these course centers I'm referring to. They don't have reception or en-suite rooms and are quite a bit more low-end. Best regards -- Jyri-Petteri Paloposki ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging ideas for a non-profit ”course center”
There are similar places , mostly to run corporate training events .. for example Baskerville Hall Hotel, http://www.baskervillehall.co.uk/ Way: Baskerville Hall Hotel (502969627). Tagged as a Hotel in OSM. You can camp there, and they have conference rooms too. Tagged as a hotel in OSOn 21/09/19 23:14, Jyri-Petteri Paloposki wrote: On 21.9.2019 13.56, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: Could you provide a link to one of these? I think these might be what we call a “retreat center” in the USA. They are campsites used for groups only, or sometimes more like resorts with chalets and apartments. If the accommodations are tents and rough cabins mainly, I would use tourism=camp_site plus group_only=yes The tag group_only was meant for campsites that are just for groups: "Is it only usable for a group, eg. Church Groups, Schools, Clubs?" (seehttps://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcamp_site) Sure. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/450218735 This is one of the large ones. The center's web site is at https://www.turunseurakunnat.fi/kirkot-ja-tilat/leirikeskukset/kunstenniemen-leirikeskus . This is a center which has a camping ground and multiple larger cabins with multi-person rooms for accommodation and one or more meeting rooms for trainings, programme etc. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/727035045 The center's web site is at https://hp.partio.fi/hameen-partiopiiri/kokoustilat-ja-leirialueet/laitikkala/ . This is a smaller center with a single building containing group accommodation rooms for about 50 people, a few group meetings rooms and one larger meeting rooms, plus kitchen and dining room. I've previously used camp_site for these, but it seems a bit unsuitable since they're not really only used for accommodation but has indoor accommodation and meeting facilities. Best regards, ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging ideas for a non-profit ”course center”
On 21.9.2019 13.56, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: Could you provide a link to one of these? I think these might be what we call a “retreat center” in the USA. They are campsites used for groups only, or sometimes more like resorts with chalets and apartments. If the accommodations are tents and rough cabins mainly, I would use tourism=camp_site plus group_only=yes The tag group_only was meant for campsites that are just for groups: "Is it only usable for a group, eg. Church Groups, Schools, Clubs?" (seehttps://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcamp_site) Sure. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/450218735 This is one of the large ones. The center's web site is at https://www.turunseurakunnat.fi/kirkot-ja-tilat/leirikeskukset/kunstenniemen-leirikeskus . This is a center which has a camping ground and multiple larger cabins with multi-person rooms for accommodation and one or more meeting rooms for trainings, programme etc. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/727035045 The center's web site is at https://hp.partio.fi/hameen-partiopiiri/kokoustilat-ja-leirialueet/laitikkala/ . This is a smaller center with a single building containing group accommodation rooms for about 50 people, a few group meetings rooms and one larger meeting rooms, plus kitchen and dining room. I've previously used camp_site for these, but it seems a bit unsuitable since they're not really only used for accommodation but has indoor accommodation and meeting facilities. Best regards, -- Jyri-Petteri Paloposki ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging ideas for a non-profit ”course center”
Could you provide a link to one of these? I think these might be what we call a “retreat center” in the USA. They are campsites used for groups only, or sometimes more like resorts with chalets and apartments. If the accommodations are tents and rough cabins mainly, I would use tourism=camp_site plus group_only=yes The tag group_only was meant for campsites that are just for groups: "Is it only usable for a group, eg. Church Groups, Schools, Clubs?" (see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcamp_site) -Joseph On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 5:48 PM Jyri-Petteri Paloposki wrote: > > Hi, > > At least in Finland we have course centers maintained by non-profit > organisations, for example religious and scout organisations. These > usually have accommodation space to some extent, kitchen facilities and > usually also some yard space for tents and other outdoor accommodation > for having larger outdoor events. They're located in the countryside > away from the city center and for example hotels. > > I was wondering what would be a good way to tag these. I found the > following alternatives from the current wiki descriptions: > > – leisure=summer_camp. Not suitable because these facilities are used > round the year and they're not used by a single entity, but rented to > different uses (often with some limitations though, for example not for > parties etc.) > > – tourism=camp_site. Not suitable because these facitilies are not > rented freely to campers but mainly to groups for courses, camps etc. > > – amenity=social_centre. Not suitable because they're not for the use of > only a single entity but all kinds of non-profits. > > – amenity=community_centre. Not suitable because they are only used for > private or limited events, ie. are not used for regular support groups > or other community activities. > > – amenity=events_venue. This also doesn't seem suitable since it's more > low-key having group accommodation in larger rooms and not being > suitable for actual parties or similar. > > – Proposed amenity=conference_centre. This doesn't fit since it's more > low-key. Usually there are meeting rooms and possible even an > auditorium, but the facility is usually in the countryside or at least > away from the city centre and for example hotels. > > – amenity=course_centre. This is an undocumented tag that is used by one > facility in Finland, which seems to be one of the course centres I'm > meaning. > > Any ideas for tagging these other than the last (very little used) one, > or would it be better to use it and document it on the wiki? > > Best regards, > -- > Jyri-Petteri Paloposki > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tagging ideas for a non-profit ”course center”
On 21.09.2019 10:46, Jyri-Petteri Paloposki wrote: Hi, At least in Finland we have course centers maintained by non-profit organisations, for example religious and scout organisations. These usually have accommodation space to some extent, kitchen facilities and usually also some yard space for tents and other outdoor accommodation for having larger outdoor events. They're located in the countryside away from the city center and for example hotels. [...] – amenity=community_centre. Not suitable because they are only used for private or limited events, ie. are not used for regular support groups or other community activities. I'd see that very suitable. You can define the subtype by tagging community_centre=*, and I would not see a requirement that the facility needs to be open to everybody, it can be for a specific user group, which can be tagged with community_centre:for=* . tom ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Tagging ideas for a non-profit ”course center”
Hi, At least in Finland we have course centers maintained by non-profit organisations, for example religious and scout organisations. These usually have accommodation space to some extent, kitchen facilities and usually also some yard space for tents and other outdoor accommodation for having larger outdoor events. They're located in the countryside away from the city center and for example hotels. I was wondering what would be a good way to tag these. I found the following alternatives from the current wiki descriptions: – leisure=summer_camp. Not suitable because these facilities are used round the year and they're not used by a single entity, but rented to different uses (often with some limitations though, for example not for parties etc.) – tourism=camp_site. Not suitable because these facitilies are not rented freely to campers but mainly to groups for courses, camps etc. – amenity=social_centre. Not suitable because they're not for the use of only a single entity but all kinds of non-profits. – amenity=community_centre. Not suitable because they are only used for private or limited events, ie. are not used for regular support groups or other community activities. – amenity=events_venue. This also doesn't seem suitable since it's more low-key having group accommodation in larger rooms and not being suitable for actual parties or similar. – Proposed amenity=conference_centre. This doesn't fit since it's more low-key. Usually there are meeting rooms and possible even an auditorium, but the facility is usually in the countryside or at least away from the city centre and for example hotels. – amenity=course_centre. This is an undocumented tag that is used by one facility in Finland, which seems to be one of the course centres I'm meaning. Any ideas for tagging these other than the last (very little used) one, or would it be better to use it and document it on the wiki? Best regards, -- Jyri-Petteri Paloposki ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
