Re: [Tagging] About the diaper key
On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 4:48 AM Satoshi IIDA wrote: > > As my small contribution, switched to changing_table in a baby care > proposal page~ > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/babycare > > > > 2019年6月17日(月) 5:44 Rory : > >> Hi, >> >> On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 16:14:59 +0200, Valor Naram wrote: >> > the proposal at >> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/changing_table >> has >> > been accepted now and I can start with the post-vote process and >> > creating a wiki page. The property Key:changing_table success the >> > Key:diaper for now but we or at least I have to deal with the question >> > "What's going on with the diaper key". The answer seems clear: >> > Key:diaper is now superseded by Key:changing_table. While it's the part >> > you CAN definetly answer with ease. The second part properly not. "What >> > do we do with the POIs having the Key:diaper?" >> > >> > I am very excited about hearing your ideas since some of you noted that >> > just replacing the diaper key and its values with the key and the values >> > of the new key can be problematic. >> >> I suggest finding data consumers (people/apps/sites/software which uses >> the existing `diaper` tag), and talking to them about supporting the new >> `changing_table` tag. Likewise talk to data contributors (editing >> software) and talk them into supporting your new scheme. >> >> I really don't think a mechanical edit to change all is a good idea. You >> can't rely on all data consumers to read all lists & wiki pages, and you >> risk a data consumer re-adding the `diaper` tag. >> >> If no-one's using the `diaper` tag, then why not make or encourage data >> consumers to support it? >> >> Rory >> >> >> ___ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> > > > -- > Satoshi IIDA > mail: nyamp...@gmail.com > twitter: @nyampire > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] About the diaper key
As my small contribution, switched to changing_table in a baby care proposal page~ https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/babycare 2019年6月17日(月) 5:44 Rory : > Hi, > > On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 16:14:59 +0200, Valor Naram wrote: > > the proposal at > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/changing_table has > > been accepted now and I can start with the post-vote process and > > creating a wiki page. The property Key:changing_table success the > > Key:diaper for now but we or at least I have to deal with the question > > "What's going on with the diaper key". The answer seems clear: > > Key:diaper is now superseded by Key:changing_table. While it's the part > > you CAN definetly answer with ease. The second part properly not. "What > > do we do with the POIs having the Key:diaper?" > > > > I am very excited about hearing your ideas since some of you noted that > > just replacing the diaper key and its values with the key and the values > > of the new key can be problematic. > > I suggest finding data consumers (people/apps/sites/software which uses > the existing `diaper` tag), and talking to them about supporting the new > `changing_table` tag. Likewise talk to data contributors (editing > software) and talk them into supporting your new scheme. > > I really don't think a mechanical edit to change all is a good idea. You > can't rely on all data consumers to read all lists & wiki pages, and you > risk a data consumer re-adding the `diaper` tag. > > If no-one's using the `diaper` tag, then why not make or encourage data > consumers to support it? > > Rory > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Satoshi IIDA mail: nyamp...@gmail.com twitter: @nyampire ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] About the diaper key
Hi, On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 16:14:59 +0200, Valor Naram wrote: > the proposal at > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/changing_table has > been accepted now and I can start with the post-vote process and > creating a wiki page. The property Key:changing_table success the > Key:diaper for now but we or at least I have to deal with the question > "What's going on with the diaper key". The answer seems clear: > Key:diaper is now superseded by Key:changing_table. While it's the part > you CAN definetly answer with ease. The second part properly not. "What > do we do with the POIs having the Key:diaper?" > > I am very excited about hearing your ideas since some of you noted that > just replacing the diaper key and its values with the key and the values > of the new key can be problematic. I suggest finding data consumers (people/apps/sites/software which uses the existing `diaper` tag), and talking to them about supporting the new `changing_table` tag. Likewise talk to data contributors (editing software) and talk them into supporting your new scheme. I really don't think a mechanical edit to change all is a good idea. You can't rely on all data consumers to read all lists & wiki pages, and you risk a data consumer re-adding the `diaper` tag. If no-one's using the `diaper` tag, then why not make or encourage data consumers to support it? Rory ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] About the diaper key
At some point diapers need to be changed... Polyglot On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 6:44 PM Valor Naram wrote: > Oh thanks. Corrected it > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:changing_table and I also > notified all downstream users that this feature replaces Key:diaper > > On Wed, 2019-06-12 at 16:28 +, marc marc wrote: > > I was looking at the proposal and diaper page :) > > somes changes > > diaper=bench -> changing_Table=limited > > > > diaper=room -> changing_table=yes + changing_table:location=room > > (you > > can't assume that the room is dedicated) > > > > Le 12.06.19 à 18:10, Valor Naram a écrit : > > > Hi marc, > > > > > > you can find the conversion table at > > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:changing_table > > > > > > I promised to create such a table and I am not one who breaks his > > > promises > > > > > > On Wed, 2019-06-12 at 14:41 +, marc marc wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > Le 12.06.19 à 16:14, Valor Naram a écrit : > > > > > "What do we do with the POIs having the Key:diaper?" > > > > > > > > I had proposed that a conversion table be added, > > > > this would have avoided reopening the thread :) > > > > > > > > imho the best thing to do, in order: > > > > - create the wiki page(s) for the new key(s) and values > > > > - add in the wiki page diaper the correspondence table and have > > > > a quick talk here to make sure everyone agrees. > > > > - inform all project that declare using it. ideally their preset/ > > > > validator /datause could take into account both for example 1 > > > > month, > > > > time for everyone to adapt the code and publish it (often > > > > monthly) > > > > - post a message on talk for "mecanical edit request" > > > > - pray that there is no opponent who would need to split > > > > the operation to take into account his opposition > > > > - pray that a editor will not secede by considering > > > > that the community choice is stupid > > > > - wait for code update for projects > > > > - do the mecanical edit > > > > - inform all project it's done > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Marc > > > > ___ > > > > Tagging mailing list > > > > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > > > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > > > > ___ > > > Tagging mailing list > > > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > > > > > ___ > > Tagging mailing list > > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] About the diaper key
Oh thanks. Corrected it https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:changing_table and I also notified all downstream users that this feature replaces Key:diaper On Wed, 2019-06-12 at 16:28 +, marc marc wrote: > I was looking at the proposal and diaper page :) > somes changes > diaper=bench -> changing_Table=limited > > diaper=room -> changing_table=yes + changing_table:location=room > (you > can't assume that the room is dedicated) > > Le 12.06.19 à 18:10, Valor Naram a écrit : > > Hi marc, > > > > you can find the conversion table at > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:changing_table > > > > I promised to create such a table and I am not one who breaks his > > promises > > > > On Wed, 2019-06-12 at 14:41 +, marc marc wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > Le 12.06.19 à 16:14, Valor Naram a écrit : > > > > "What do we do with the POIs having the Key:diaper?" > > > > > > I had proposed that a conversion table be added, > > > this would have avoided reopening the thread :) > > > > > > imho the best thing to do, in order: > > > - create the wiki page(s) for the new key(s) and values > > > - add in the wiki page diaper the correspondence table and have > > > a quick talk here to make sure everyone agrees. > > > - inform all project that declare using it. ideally their preset/ > > > validator /datause could take into account both for example 1 > > > month, > > > time for everyone to adapt the code and publish it (often > > > monthly) > > > - post a message on talk for "mecanical edit request" > > > - pray that there is no opponent who would need to split > > > the operation to take into account his opposition > > > - pray that a editor will not secede by considering > > > that the community choice is stupid > > > - wait for code update for projects > > > - do the mecanical edit > > > - inform all project it's done > > > > > > Regards, > > > Marc > > > ___ > > > Tagging mailing list > > > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > > ___ > > Tagging mailing list > > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] About the diaper key
I was looking at the proposal and diaper page :) somes changes diaper=bench -> changing_Table=limited diaper=room -> changing_table=yes + changing_table:location=room (you can't assume that the room is dedicated) Le 12.06.19 à 18:10, Valor Naram a écrit : > Hi marc, > > you can find the conversion table at > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:changing_table > > I promised to create such a table and I am not one who breaks his > promises > > On Wed, 2019-06-12 at 14:41 +, marc marc wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Le 12.06.19 à 16:14, Valor Naram a écrit : >>> "What do we do with the POIs having the Key:diaper?" >> >> I had proposed that a conversion table be added, >> this would have avoided reopening the thread :) >> >> imho the best thing to do, in order: >> - create the wiki page(s) for the new key(s) and values >> - add in the wiki page diaper the correspondence table and have >> a quick talk here to make sure everyone agrees. >> - inform all project that declare using it. ideally their preset/ >> validator /datause could take into account both for example 1 month, >> time for everyone to adapt the code and publish it (often monthly) >> - post a message on talk for "mecanical edit request" >> - pray that there is no opponent who would need to split >> the operation to take into account his opposition >> - pray that a editor will not secede by considering >> that the community choice is stupid >> - wait for code update for projects >> - do the mecanical edit >> - inform all project it's done >> >> Regards, >> Marc >> ___ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] About the diaper key
Hi marc, you can find the conversion table at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:changing_table I promised to create such a table and I am not one who breaks his promises On Wed, 2019-06-12 at 14:41 +, marc marc wrote: > Hello, > > Le 12.06.19 à 16:14, Valor Naram a écrit : > > "What do we do with the POIs having the Key:diaper?" > > I had proposed that a conversion table be added, > this would have avoided reopening the thread :) > > imho the best thing to do, in order: > - create the wiki page(s) for the new key(s) and values > - add in the wiki page diaper the correspondence table and have > a quick talk here to make sure everyone agrees. > - inform all project that declare using it. ideally their preset/ > validator /datause could take into account both for example 1 month, > time for everyone to adapt the code and publish it (often monthly) > - post a message on talk for "mecanical edit request" > - pray that there is no opponent who would need to split > the operation to take into account his opposition > - pray that a editor will not secede by considering > that the community choice is stupid > - wait for code update for projects > - do the mecanical edit > - inform all project it's done > > Regards, > Marc > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] About the diaper key
Hello, Le 12.06.19 à 16:14, Valor Naram a écrit : > "What do we do with the POIs having the Key:diaper?" I had proposed that a conversion table be added, this would have avoided reopening the thread :) imho the best thing to do, in order: - create the wiki page(s) for the new key(s) and values - add in the wiki page diaper the correspondence table and have a quick talk here to make sure everyone agrees. - inform all project that declare using it. ideally their preset/ validator /datause could take into account both for example 1 month, time for everyone to adapt the code and publish it (often monthly) - post a message on talk for "mecanical edit request" - pray that there is no opponent who would need to split the operation to take into account his opposition - pray that a editor will not secede by considering that the community choice is stupid - wait for code update for projects - do the mecanical edit - inform all project it's done Regards, Marc ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] About the diaper key
Hey, the proposal at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/changing_table has been accepted now and I can start with the post-vote process and creating a wiki page. The property Key:changing_table success the Key:diaper for now but we or at least I have to deal with the question "What's going on with the diaper key". The answer seems clear: Key:diaper is now superseded by Key:changing_table. While it's the part you CAN definetly answer with ease. The second part properly not. "What do we do with the POIs having the Key:diaper?" I am very excited about hearing your ideas since some of you noted that just replacing the diaper key and its values with the key and the values of the new key can be problematic. Cheerio Sören alias Valor Naram ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
