Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - guard stone

[Volker Schmidt]

On Tue, 22 Dec 2020, 01:02 Paul Allen,  wrote:

> On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 at 23:34, Volker Schmidt  wrote:
>
> (perhaps the duck principle could be applied: it looks like a guardstone,
>> it keeps the wheels on the road like a guard stone, hence it can tagged as
>> a guard stone)
>>
>
> Guardstones don't keep the wheels on the road, they keep the wheels off the
> building.  Your duck is a drake
>
I am not saying they are the same, I was pointing out, that, by stretching
the duck principle a bit you could use the same tag. But I would prefer us
finding a better tag.

>
> The pair of "guard" stones one on each side of the minor road could be a
>> kind of ancient width limiter for passing vehicles. I have seen many of
>> these on the artificial earthen embankments (Italian: argine) that are
>> common along waterways in the flat lands of Northern Italy. So we could tag
>> them as barrier=bollard; maxwidth=x
>>
>
> Seems plausible.
>
> The rows of "guard stones" along roads are certainly a predecessor of
>> guard rails, i.e. they prevented vehicle from veering off the road.
>>
>
> Maybe, but they're on the wrong side of the road.  They prevent the vehicle
> veering into trees, which would be just as effective as stopping it going
> further and do as much (or as little) damage.  A guardrail would be
> on the other side of the road, to prevent a vehicle going over the cliff.
>
You must be looking at different picture. The one I linked, shows
definitely false guard stones on the valley side. I drove that road in
1963, when it was in better shape, I guarantee you the protection was on
the correct side, and the terrain  is steep.

>
>> I just googled this interesting German document
>> 
>> So the German term is "Leitstein", at lest it was in the former DDR The
>> modern
>>
> equivalent are the "Leitpfosten
>> ", French "délinéateur", but
>> there is no English
>>
> equivalent
>>
>
> The English equivalent of the modern Lietpfosten appears to be
> called "verge marker" or "marker post" (the bulkier ones are
> called bollards)
> https://uk.glasdon.com/road-safety/reflective-verge-markers
>
> I don't know the English term for Leitstein or even if we ever had such
> things.
>
I learned the term. "Leitstein" today from the report that I googled.

Volker

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Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - guard stone

[Joseph Eisenberg]

 C) Freestanding guardstone-like objects are often found independently of
buildings.

Those look like barrier=bollard perhaps?

On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 9:33 AM Volker Schmidt  wrote:

> I forgot to follow up on two other aspects of this, sorry.
>
> A) how are they tagged when two of them are on both sides of a gate
> 
> ?
>
> B) There are occasionally also rows of them in historic towns
> 
> .
>
> C) Freestanding guardstone-like objects are often found independently of
> buildings.
> I am not sure what they are called, here are some examples.
> They come in three types of  arrangements:: pairs, or rows, or pairs of
> rows.
> The pairs are often on minor roads on embankments
>  (don't know
> what the purpose was)
> The rows are often on major roads on embankments
> , or older
> mountain pass roads.
> 
> (predecessors of guardrails I suppose)
>
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> On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 at 11:50, Anne-Karoline Distel 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> there haven't been any comments on it in a while, so I think it is safe
>> to start the voting process on
>>
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/guard_stone
>>
>> Voting ends on January 4th.
>>
>> Thanks to everyone who contributed to the discussion and proposal page!
>>
>> Happy holidays,
>>
>> Anne (b-unicycling)
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Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - guard stone

[Volker Schmidt]

I forgot to follow up on two other aspects of this, sorry.

A) how are they tagged when two of them are on both sides of a gate

?

B) There are occasionally also rows of them in historic towns

.

C) Freestanding guardstone-like objects are often found independently of
buildings.
I am not sure what they are called, here are some examples.
They come in three types of  arrangements:: pairs, or rows, or pairs of
rows.
The pairs are often on minor roads on embankments
 (don't know what
the purpose was)
The rows are often on major roads on embankments
, or older
mountain pass roads.

(predecessors of guardrails I suppose)

Volker


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On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 at 11:50, Anne-Karoline Distel 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> there haven't been any comments on it in a while, so I think it is safe
> to start the voting process on
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/guard_stone
>
> Voting ends on January 4th.
>
> Thanks to everyone who contributed to the discussion and proposal page!
>
> Happy holidays,
>
> Anne (b-unicycling)
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[Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - guard stone

[Anne-Karoline Distel]

Hi,

there haven't been any comments on it in a while, so I think it is safe
to start the voting process on

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/guard_stone

Voting ends on January 4th.

Thanks to everyone who contributed to the discussion and proposal page!

Happy holidays,

Anne (b-unicycling)


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