Re: [Tagging] Fwd: amenity=vending_machine/vending=bottle_return - operator=
On Fri, 10 Jan 2020 at 18:55, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > Am Fr., 10. Jan. 2020 um 08:58 Uhr schrieb Marc Gemis < > marc.ge...@gmail.com>: > >> > amenity=reverse_vending_machine >> > reverse_vending=bottle_return >> > >> > Machines may take more than one type of item. Some here take bottles >> and bottle creates. Some take metal cans. >> > > sometimes (e.g. common typology in German shops) you can add both, plastic > bottles for recycling and reusable bottles in plastic or glass (but usually > not bottles in glass for recycling) into the same "machine" (which will > often just be a conveyor belt with a scanner and a receipt printer, while > sorting takes place manually behind the curtain). Other machines are only > for plastic bottles for recycling and they will crush the bottles to reduce > space requirements. I have never seen a machine that accepts glass bottles > for recycling (but maybe they exist somewhere), > They certainly do! Here you go: https://www.mytomra.com.au/home/qld-containers-for-change/ Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Fwd: amenity=vending_machine/vending=bottle_return - operator=
Am Fr., 10. Jan. 2020 um 08:58 Uhr schrieb Marc Gemis : > > amenity=reverse_vending_machine > > reverse_vending=bottle_return > > > > Machines may take more than one type of item. Some here take bottles and > bottle creates. Some take metal cans. > > > > Reverse vending machines are not the only vending machine type that’s > not technically a vending machine, although you are exchanging one thing > for another. > > > > I propose > > amenity=vending_machine > > vending=reverse_vending (or keep bottle_return as its already in use) > > recycling:glass_bottles=yes/no (already is use) > > recycling:=yes/no > > Since you use recycling tags, why not use amenity=recycling with some > subtags to indicate that you get money. Why stick to vending machine? sometimes (e.g. common typology in German shops) you can add both, plastic bottles for recycling and reusable bottles in plastic or glass (but usually not bottles in glass for recycling) into the same "machine" (which will often just be a conveyor belt with a scanner and a receipt printer, while sorting takes place manually behind the curtain). Other machines are only for plastic bottles for recycling and they will crush the bottles to reduce space requirements. I have never seen a machine that accepts glass bottles for recycling (but maybe they exist somewhere), usually there are containers for the collection of glass or the bottles will be reused. Technically, the term "reverse vending" only applies to machines where you get something for the items you have put in (is typical for reusable containers but may often not be true in the case of containers destined for recycling), maybe if we want to lump them together we should prefer a more generic tag for it? Cheers, Martin Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Fwd: amenity=vending_machine/vending=bottle_return - operator=
> amenity=reverse_vending_machine > reverse_vending=bottle_return > > Machines may take more than one type of item. Some here take bottles and > bottle creates. Some take metal cans. > > Reverse vending machines are not the only vending machine type that’s not > technically a vending machine, although you are exchanging one thing for > another. > > I propose > amenity=vending_machine > vending=reverse_vending (or keep bottle_return as its already in use) > recycling:glass_bottles=yes/no (already is use) > recycling:=yes/no Since you use recycling tags, why not use amenity=recycling with some subtags to indicate that you get money. Why stick to vending machine? regards m. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Fwd: amenity=vending_machine/vending=bottle_return - operator=
On third thought, breweries isn’t appropriate because not all reverse vending machine is for beer bottles, or even bottles at all. If something like brands_accepted existed, that would be fine. I’d rather not create something new. amenity=reverse_vending_machine reverse_vending=bottle_return Machines may take more than one type of item. Some here take bottles and bottle creates. Some take metal cans. Reverse vending machines are not the only vending machine type that’s not technically a vending machine, although you are exchanging one thing for another. I propose amenity=vending_machine vending=reverse_vending (or keep bottle_return as its already in use) recycling:glass_bottles=yes/no (already is use) recycling:=yes/no Plus another optional tag to dictate which brands the machine takes Sent from Jake Edmonds' iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: Jake Edmonds via Tagging > Date: 6 January 2020 at 07:36:52 CET > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > Cc: Jake Edmonds > Subject: Re: [Tagging] amenity=vending_machine/vending=bottle_return - > operator= > Reply-To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > > > Regardless of whether the main tag should be changed or not, on second > thought, I think the following tags should be used: > > brand= To indicate how the service is branded, for example, a > recycling/bottle return company or the name of the super market where the > machine is located > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Reverse_Vending_Machine_-_Fresh_Plus_-_Pod_šiancom_-_Kosice.jpg > > Located inside and branded as Fresh (a supermarket), the > receipt can only be exchanged in Fresh. > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Reverse_vending_machine_for_the_NSW_Container_Deposit_Scheme_at_the_Kooringal_Mall_2.jpg > > Located outside and branded as Return and Earn (a government > scheme), retail vouchers, PayPal an e-vouchers are available. > operator= To indicate who maintains/services the machine, possibly the same > as the brand, maybe hard to find out. > breweries= To indicate the brands of containers that the machine accepts > >> On 5 Jan 2020, at 21:43, Colin Smale wrote: >> >>> On 2020-01-05 21:02, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >>> >>> >>> sent from a phone >>> On 5. Jan 2020, at 16:46, Colin Smale wrote: The term vending machine is misrepresenting these machines and should not be used. They are frequently called "reverse vending" machines - instead of the customer trading money for goods, they trade goods for money. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_vending_machine >>> >>> >>> clearly „reverse vending machine" is a completely different term/concept >>> than „vending machine", although it plays with the idea of using the same >>> words and change the meaning by adding „reverse" to it >>> >> It is also a clearly related concept. I hereby propose: >> amenity=reverse_vending_machine >>reverse_vending=bottle_return >> Problem solved. >> >> >> ___ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
