Re: [Tagging] How to map an OpenStreetMap map?

[Markus Peloso]

Thanks for the idea.
I love it. :D

https://priceless.zottelig.ch/#offers=trip%2Fopenstreetmap

https://priceless.zottelig.ch/#offers=trip%2Fopenstreetmap=50.556607%2C12.6785266

Von: Rory McCann<mailto:r...@technomancy.org>
Gesendet: Samstag, 29. Februar 2020 12:00
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In OSM, large map boards can be mapped as 
`tourist=information,information=map`. OSM is
pretty good quality, so now some of these maps are based on OSM data.

Is there anyway to record this in OSM?

IMO, you don't need a reason to map something, but one benefit is to help 
people promote OSM. If someone thinks you have a weird hobby with this map 
thing, and you bring them to big map showing our map, then that's pretty cool.

The `map_type` and `map_size` tags are used on these sort of maps. Do yous 
think `map_source=openstreetmap` is a good tag?
The long standing OSM convention of semicolons can be used if there's more than 
one source.
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Re: [Tagging] How to map an OpenStreetMap map?

[Warin]

On 1/3/20 8:50 am, Andrew Harvey wrote:
But those uses are mostly the source the mapper used to find out about 
the tag they are adding, which is different to the source of the map.


source:map=survey means I got the map=* key from a survey.

So if you use map:source=openstreetmap then source:map:source=survey 
says I found it as being a map using openstreetmap data from a ground 
survey.



Arr .. yep, convoluted but yes.



On Sun, 1 Mar 2020 at 08:42, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com 
> wrote:


On 1/3/20 8:31 am, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:



sent from a phone


On 29. Feb 2020, at 22:25, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>
 wrote:


`map_source=openstreetmap` is a good tag?

Yes, though I think that posting
the same thread to tagging and talk ml
is a poor idea.



I think source_map=* or source:map=* would be better as that can
also be used for other specific 'sources'.



I would prefer map:source, the tag is information=map so it seems
more consistent to further describe the map with map:*=* tags



Yet the source key is still relevant.


See

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source

For

source:name  ~ 120,000 uses

source:ref ~182,000 uses

source:addr  ~7,880,000 uses



It would be nice to have some consistency with the use of the
source key?

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Re: [Tagging] How to map an OpenStreetMap map?

[Andrew Harvey]

But those uses are mostly the source the mapper used to find out about the
tag they are adding, which is different to the source of the map.

source:map=survey means I got the map=* key from a survey.

So if you use map:source=openstreetmap then source:map:source=survey says I
found it as being a map using openstreetmap data from a ground survey.

On Sun, 1 Mar 2020 at 08:42, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 1/3/20 8:31 am, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>
>
>
> sent from a phone
>
> On 29. Feb 2020, at 22:25, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>
> <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> `map_source=openstreetmap` is a good tag?
>
> Yes, though I think that posting
> the same thread to tagging and talk ml
> is a poor idea.
>
>
> I think source_map=* or source:map=* would be better as that can also be
> used for other specific 'sources'.
>
>
> I would prefer map:source, the tag is information=map so it seems more
> consistent to further describe the map with map:*=* tags
>
>
> Yet the source key is still relevant.
>
>
> See
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source
>
> For
>
> source:name  ~ 120,000 uses
>
> source:ref ~182,000 uses
>
> source:addr  ~7,880,000 uses
>
>
>
> It would be nice to have some consistency with the use of the source key?
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Re: [Tagging] How to map an OpenStreetMap map?

[Jarek Piórkowski]

On Sat, 29 Feb 2020 at 16:41, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 1/3/20 8:31 am, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> On 29. Feb 2020, at 22:25, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I think source_map=* or source:map=* would be better as that can also be 
>>> used for other specific 'sources'.
>
>> I would prefer map:source, the tag is information=map so it seems more 
>> consistent to further describe the map with map:*=* tags
>
> Yet the source key is still relevant.
> ...
> source:name  ~ 120,000 uses
> source:ref ~182,000 uses
> source:addr  ~7,880,000 uses

In my understanding, source:name refers to the source of the *value*
being entered in OSM, not the source of the name itself. That is, for
name="Wood Road" and source:name=survey, I went there and saw that the
name is posted as Wood Road. We wouldn't add source:name="there is a
wood nearby". Same for source:ref, source:addr.

By the same scheme, source:map=* would specify the source of the value
of the map tag is OSM, but that isn't what we're looking to specify -
we're looking to specify a property of the object itself (the source
of the information of the map object being entered into OSM database).
The object is a map, thus potential tags include for example
map:size=*, map:braille=*, map:coverage=*, map:resolution=*, or in
this case map:source=*.

Compare etymology:name=* vs name:etymology=*.

--Jarek

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Re: [Tagging] How to map an OpenStreetMap map?

[Warin]

On 1/3/20 8:31 am, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:



sent from a phone


On 29. Feb 2020, at 22:25, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:


`map_source=openstreetmap` is a good tag?

Yes, though I think that posting
the same thread to tagging and talk ml
is a poor idea.



I think source_map=* or source:map=* would be better as that can also 
be used for other specific 'sources'.




I would prefer map:source, the tag is information=map so it seems more 
consistent to further describe the map with map:*=* tags



Yet the source key is still relevant.


See

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source

For

source:name  ~ 120,000 uses

source:ref ~182,000 uses

source:addr  ~7,880,000 uses



It would be nice to have some consistency with the use of the source key?

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Re: [Tagging] How to map an OpenStreetMap map?

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 29. Feb 2020, at 22:25, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> `map_source=openstreetmap` is a good tag?
>> Yes, though I think that posting
>> the same thread to tagging and talk ml
>> is a poor idea.
> 
> I think source_map=* or source:map=* would be better as that can also be used 
> for other specific 'sources'.
> 

I would prefer map:source, the tag is information=map so it seems more 
consistent to further describe the map with map:*=* tags

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Re: [Tagging] How to map an OpenStreetMap map?

[Warin]

On 29/2/20 11:30 pm, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote:




29 Feb 2020, 11:58 by r...@technomancy.org:

 Do yous think `map_source=openstreetmap` is a good tag?

Yes, though I think that posting
the same thread to tagging and talk ml
is a poor idea.



I think source_map=* or source:map=* would be better as that can also be 
used for other specific 'sources'.



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Re: [Tagging] How to map an OpenStreetMap map?

[Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging]

29 Feb 2020, 11:58 by r...@technomancy.org:

>  Do yous think `map_source=openstreetmap` is a good tag?
>
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[Tagging] How to map an OpenStreetMap map?

[Rory McCann]

In OSM, large map boards can be mapped as 
`tourist=information,information=map`. OSM is 
pretty good quality, so now some of these maps are based on OSM data.

Is there anyway to record this in OSM?

IMO, you don't need a reason to map something, but one benefit is to help 
people promote OSM. If someone thinks you have a weird hobby with this map 
thing, and you bring them to big map showing our map, then that's pretty cool. 

The `map_type` and `map_size` tags are used on these sort of maps. Do yous 
think `map_source=openstreetmap` is a good tag?
The long standing OSM convention of semicolons can be used if there's more than 
one source. 
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