[Tagging] Introducing Potlatch2 Island - part of the CommonMap group of Islands

[Sam Vekemans]

Hi Richard,

FYI, earlier (yesterday) i said i'll have potlach2 Island done... well it's
started (i wasn't joking)

http://api.development.i386.commonmap.org/?lat=0.012&lon=-0.0493&zoom=14&layers=BFTF

The idea here is to draw in a 'Map Legend'   which you would see on normal
printed paper maps in 1 corner of it.

Its divided into the 16 categories that are in the github source
https://github.com/openstreetmap/potlatch2/tree/master/resources/map_features

and added in the source tags, here's an example

http://api.development.i386.commonmap.org/browse/node/2822881

Node: 2822881
« 2822873 
| 2822889
» 
Edited at:Mon, 11 Jul 2011 14:37:54 +Edited by:Sam Vekemans -
CommonMap
Version:1In 
changeset:849Comment:added
pub tagTags:amenity = pubattribute = foodanddrinkattribution_url =
https://github.com/openstreetmap/potlatch2/blob/master/resources/map_features/amenities.xml
category
= Amenitiesclass = Entertainmentdefinition = A public house, informally
known as a pub, is a drinking establishment which is part of British,[1][2]
Irish,[3] Australian,[4] and New Zealand culture. entity = Pubpng_url =
ttp://too.where.it.is/features/pois/food_pub.n.24.pngwiki_url =
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dpub wikipedia =
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PubCoordinates:
0.0159338637665534,
-0.0562495429611206
--
Download XML
, view 
history
 or 
edit
View area on larger
map

View node on larger map



Overall  ... you can see the spreadsheet on the 2nd and 3rd tab of JOSM /
Mkgmap you can see the breakdown of it.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Am70fsptsPF2dHJxMG05Zmg2YS1LeFg2czRZOWZEU3c&hl=en_US

But i think that after im done Potlatch2 Island, i can easily download it,
and view it in qgis, as a shp file, then look at the .dbf file and see all
the attributes.
All renderers/editors will be using the same 'Key' tags as shown above in
the example.

Idea's thoughts?

I'll be working on this today/tomorrow and work out the layout of one of the
islands, then the rest will follow the same structures

Cheers,
Sam


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Re: [Tagging] Introducing Potlatch2 Island - part of the CommonMap group of Islands

[M∡rtin Koppenhoefer]

2011/7/11 Sam Vekemans 

> Idea's thoughts?
>
> I'll be working on this today/tomorrow and work out the layout of one of
> the islands, then the rest will follow the same structures
>

png_url = ttp://too.where.it.is/features/pois/food_pub.n.24.png

maybe you can find another key-structure for icons, because there are many
versions and variations of certain icons available.

class = Entertainmentdefinition = A public house, informally known as a pub,
is a drinking establishment which is part of British,[1][2] Irish,[3]
Australian,[4] and New Zealand culture.
where does this come from? The wiki reads: "An establishment that sells
alcoholic drinks that can be drunk on the premises. Pubs commonly sell food
which also can be eaten on the premises. They are characterised by a relaxed
atmosphere. You can usually sit down and there is usually no loud music to
disturb conversation. A pub would be good location to meet after a day's
mapping for OpenStreetMap."

cheers,
Martin
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Re: [Tagging] Introducing Potlatch2 Island - part of the CommonMap group of Islands

[Sam Vekemans]

Hi,

Good to see i'm not blocked yet :0)

On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 8:09 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer  wrote:

> 2011/7/11 Sam Vekemans 
>
>> Idea's thoughts?
>>
>> I'll be working on this today/tomorrow and work out the layout of one of
>> the islands, then the rest will follow the same structures
>>
>
> png_url = ttp://too.where.it.is/features/pois/food_pub.n.24.png
>
> maybe you can find another key-structure for icons, because there are many
> versions and variations of certain icons available..
>

No.  It's the source which is in some svn i just dont know the direct url
that potlatch2 uses (im looking at Potlatch2 (Build 2.0-16g106bbd1)


>
> class = Entertainment definition = A public house, informally known as a
> pub, is a drinking establishment which is part of British,[1][2] Irish,[3]
> Australian,[4] and New Zealand culture.
>  where does this come from? The wiki reads: "An establishment that sells
> alcoholic drinks that can be drunk on the premises. Pubs commonly sell food
> which also can be eaten on the premises. They are characterised by a relaxed
> atmosphere. You can usually sit down and there is usually no loud music to
> disturb conversation. A pub would be good location to meet after a day's
> mapping for OpenStreetMap."
>
>
It's the Wikipedia "definition"   the other key you might be thinking of is
"description".  And yes, good idea i'll add that in.

A 'definition'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definition
"A *definition* is a passage that explains the
meaning of
a term (a word ,
phrase or
other set of symbols ), or a type of
thing. The term to be defined is the
*definiendum
*. A term may have many different senses or meanings. For each such specific
sense, a *definiens * is a cluster
of words that defines that term."

A 'description'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Description
"*Description* is one of four rhetorical
modes (also
known as *modes of discourse*), along with
exposition
, argumentation , and
narration.
Each of the rhetorical modes is present in a variety of forms and each has
its own purpose  and
conventions
."

Both of which are important to use, when describing a VERY complex notion
such as the language of Nullians.
So, to be more precise, i can use osm_wiki_description.. However.  The Wiki
is Wacky... and thus, deserves it's own island.

http://api.development.i386.commonmap.org/browse/way/337377

I'll organize it the same way as potlatch2 island.
IF in the .xml documentation there was some indication of a description, i
would add it in.  Otherwise, i don't want to pick a language of the
osm-wiki.   My Nullish isn't the best just yet.

Thanks for the feedback, i'll get back to the tagging list once the Islands
are more complete.

Cheers,
Sam

cheers,
> Martin
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Re: [Tagging] Introducing Potlatch2 Island - part of the CommonMap group of Islands

[M∡rtin Koppenhoefer]

2011/7/11 Sam Vekemans 

> definition = A public house, informally known as a pub, is a drinking
>> establishment which is part of British,[1][2] Irish,[3] Australian,[4] and
>> New Zealand culture.
>>  where does this come from? The wiki reads: "An establishment that sells
>> alcoholic drinks that can be drunk on the premises. Pubs commonly sell food
>> which also can be eaten on the premises. They are characterised by a relaxed
>> atmosphere. You can usually sit down and there is usually no loud music to
>> disturb conversation. A pub would be good location to meet after a day's
>> mapping for OpenStreetMap."
>>
>>
> It's the Wikipedia "definition"   the other key you might be thinking of is
> "description".  And yes, good idea i'll add that in.
>
> A 'definition'
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definition
> ...A term may have many different senses or meanings. ...
>


>

IMHO you cannot take the definition of the word "pub" from wikipedia and
then assume that this is the exact definition of the OSM term amenity=pub.
E.g. in this case the definition of pub in wikipedia would restrict the
usage of amenity=pub to pubs with British, Irish, Australian and New Zealand
culture, but if you look for example onto the German or Austrian map you can
see lots of pubs because they use the tag for an establishment of their
culture.

Cheers,
Martin
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Re: [Tagging] Introducing Potlatch2 Island - part of the CommonMap group of Islands

[Sam Vekemans]

Hi,

On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 12:08 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer <
dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote:

> 2011/7/11 Sam Vekemans 
>
>>  definition = A public house, informally known as a pub, is a drinking
>>> establishment which is part of British,[1][2] Irish,[3] Australian,[4] and
>>> New Zealand culture.
>>>  where does this come from? The wiki reads: "An establishment that sells
>>> alcoholic drinks that can be drunk on the premises. Pubs commonly sell food
>>> which also can be eaten on the premises. They are characterised by a relaxed
>>> atmosphere. You can usually sit down and there is usually no loud music to
>>> disturb conversation. A pub would be good location to meet after a day's
>>> mapping for OpenStreetMap."
>>>
>>>
>> It's the Wikipedia "definition"   the other key you might be thinking of
>> is "description".  And yes, good idea i'll add that in.
>>
>> A 'definition'
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definition
>> ...A term may have many different senses or meanings. ...
>>
>
> 
>>
>
> IMHO you cannot take the definition of the word "pub" from wikipedia and
> then assume that this is the exact definition of the OSM term amenity=pub.
> E.g. in this case the definition of pub in wikipedia would restrict the
> usage of amenity=pub to pubs with British, Irish, Australian and New Zealand
> culture, but if you look for example onto the German or Austrian map you can
> see lots of pubs because they use the tag for an establishment of their
> culture.
>

And there would be more pubs in the map shown, if it was properly
documented, and existed with all presets shown with the same labeling .. but
that is another issue. And outside the scope of this effort.

Makes sense,  perhaps its better to not have any definition, shown... unless
it is shown in the potlatch2 documentation.

The main purpose of potlatch2 Island is to simply show the facts that exist,
and have it visible & near Mkgmap and other Islands, so then everyone can
share notes & ideas easily, when they are shown in the same way such as
a simple Map Feature legend.

cheers,
Sam

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