[Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-09-27 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Clickable_water_tap.jpg

You need to push button to activate (rather than turn handle)

Is adding man_made=water_tap to it correct?

Right now it is tagged as

amenity=drinking_water
fountain=drinking
man_made=water_tap

and the first two are clearly applicable (I think), but I am unsure about tap.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Faucets_%E6%B0%B4%E9%BE%8D%E9%A0%AD_-_panoramio.jpg
is listed as example at 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dwater_tap
and seems quite similar
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Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-09-27 Thread Georg

Dear all,

Mateusz wrote Tue Sep 27 2022 12:46:54 GMT+0200



https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Clickable_water_tap.jpg

You need to push button to activate (rather than turn handle)

Is adding man_made=water_tap to it correct?


IMHO yes.

The OSM wiki explicitly lists several examples with push  button taps.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tap_(valve) tells

A tap (also spigot or faucet: see usage variations) is a
valve controlling the release of a liquid or gas.


This definition applies not only to screw-down but also to push button taps.

The further text describes different types of taps. Amongst them:


The term tap is widely used to describe the valve used to
dispense draft beer from a keg, whether gravity feed or pressurized.


If a pull-type tap is so widely called tap, a push-type does IMHO
qualify too, as it is only inverted direction of movement.

Regards,
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Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-09-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer


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> On 27 Sep 2022, at 14:52, Georg  wrote:
> 
> IMHO yes.


I agree, although I wouldn’t see it necessary to characterize the feature 


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Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-09-27 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging



Sep 27, 2022, 14:58 by dieterdre...@gmail.com:

>
>
> sent from a phone
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>> On 27 Sep 2022, at 14:52, Georg  wrote:
>>
>> IMHO yes.
>>
>
>
> I agree, although I wouldn’t see it necessary to characterize the feature 
>
I see value in mapping whether given amenity=drinking_water
is a proper tap or just providing miserable jet of water making
impossible to fill water bottle.

Also, I noticed that many bare amenity=drinking_water are in 
various ways quite likely to be problematic 
(misplaced, used for water taps without drinkable water or
inaccessible to public and soon)
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Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-09-27 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
I would say that regardless of how it's operated - turn handle, push
button, lever, foot pedal, auto sensor etc - that if water comes out, it's
a tap!

Thanks

Graeme


On Tue, 27 Sept 2022 at 23:20, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <
tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

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>
>
> Sep 27, 2022, 14:58 by dieterdre...@gmail.com:
>
>
>
> sent from a phone
>
> On 27 Sep 2022, at 14:52, Georg  wrote:
>
> IMHO yes.
>
>
>
> I agree, although I wouldn’t see it necessary to characterize the feature
>
> I see value in mapping whether given amenity=drinking_water
> is a proper tap or just providing miserable jet of water making
> impossible to fill water bottle.
>
> Also, I noticed that many bare amenity=drinking_water are in
> various ways quite likely to be problematic
> (misplaced, used for water taps without drinkable water or
> inaccessible to public and soon)
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Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-09-28 Thread Warin


On 28/9/22 08:29, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
I would say that regardless of how it's operated - turn handle, push 
button, lever, foot pedal, auto sensor etc - that if water comes out, 
it's a tap!



Must have the ability to control the flow of the water to be called a tap.



Thanks

Graeme


On Tue, 27 Sept 2022 at 23:20, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging 
 wrote:





Sep 27, 2022, 14:58 by dieterdre...@gmail.com:



sent from a phone

On 27 Sep 2022, at 14:52, Georg 
wrote:

IMHO yes.



I agree, although I wouldn’t see it necessary to characterize
the feature

I see value in mapping whether given amenity=drinking_water
is a proper tap or just providing miserable jet of water making
impossible to fill water bottle.

Also, I noticed that many bare amenity=drinking_water are in
various ways quite likely to be problematic
(misplaced, used for water taps without drinkable water or
inaccessible to public and soon)
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Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-09-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mi., 28. Sept. 2022 um 09:21 Uhr schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>:

> On 28/9/22 08:29, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
>
> I would say that regardless of how it's operated - turn handle, push
> button, lever, foot pedal, auto sensor etc - that if water comes out, it's
> a tap!
>
> Must have the ability to control the flow of the water to be called a tap.
>


so the "tap" word implies some kind of valve, having just a tube to channel
erogation does not count, even if it has the "right shape", right? Is there
agreement for this definition?

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Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-09-28 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
+1
The "tap" is the device to control the flow.  Often, but not necessarily, at 
the end of the pipe.  If the user cannot control the flow, there is NOT a "tap" 
present. 
Regards,Peter(PeterPan 99)

On Wednesday, 28 September 2022 at 08:28:34 BST, Martin Koppenhoefer 
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 Am Mi., 28. Sept. 2022 um 09:21 Uhr schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>:

  
 
 On 28/9/22 08:29, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
  
  I would say that regardless of how it's operated - turn handle, push button, 
lever, foot pedal, auto sensor etc - that if water comes out, it's a tap!  
 
 
 

Must have the ability to control the flow of the water to be called a tap. 
 


so the "tap" word implies some kind of valve, having just a tube to channel 
erogation does not count, even if it has the "right shape", right? Is there 
agreement for this definition?

Cheers,
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Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-09-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mi., 28. Sept. 2022 um 09:55 Uhr schrieb Peter Neale via Tagging <
tagging@openstreetmap.org>:

> If the user cannot control the flow, there is NOT a "tap" present.
>


around here, the typical drinking fountain is an iron cast column with
permanent flow. There is a water tap inside the column but the "user"
cannot open or close it (unless the cover is open, happens from time to
time, but is not the regular situation).
outside:
http://www.wakeupnews.eu/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Acqua-gassata-71-199x300.jpg
inside:
https://www.fregeneonline.com/images/stories/fontanella_interno.jpg

So the "user" cannot control the flow, but technically, a tap is present.
Shall we ignore this tap because it is usually neither visible not
accessible?

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Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-09-28 Thread Peter Neale via Tagging
IMHO, if the user cannot (normally) access it, it is not worth mapping.  Or, do 
you want to micro-map every control valve (same function as a tap) in the water 
supply system, including those that cannot be seen?
Regards,Peter(PeterPan99)

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 Am Mi., 28. Sept. 2022 um 09:55 Uhr schrieb Peter Neale via Tagging 
:

If the user cannot control the flow, there is NOT a "tap" present. 


around here, the typical drinking fountain is an iron cast column with 
permanent flow. There is a water tap inside the column but the "user" cannot 
open or close it (unless the cover is open, happens from time to time, but is 
not the regular situation). 
outside:http://www.wakeupnews.eu/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Acqua-gassata-71-199x300.jpginside:
https://www.fregeneonline.com/images/stories/fontanella_interno.jpg
So the "user" cannot control the flow, but technically, a tap is present. Shall 
we ignore this tap because it is usually neither visible not accessible?
Cheers,
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Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-09-28 Thread Warin


On 28/9/22 18:07, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
Am Mi., 28. Sept. 2022 um 09:55 Uhr schrieb Peter Neale via Tagging 
:


If the user cannot control the flow, there is NOT a "tap" present.



around here, the typical drinking fountain is an iron cast column with 
permanent flow. There is a water tap inside the column but the "user" 
cannot open or close it (unless the cover is open, happens from time 
to time, but is not the regular situation).

outside:
http://www.wakeupnews.eu/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Acqua-gassata-71-199x300.jpg
inside:
https://www.fregeneonline.com/images/stories/fontanella_interno.jpg

So the "user" cannot control the flow, but technically, a tap is 
present. Shall we ignore this tap because it is usually neither 
visible not accessible?



I would not use the tag man_made=water_tap for these.


Why not use https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:fountain


You will note the different tags - some relate to the 'style' of the 
structure others relate to the water delivery eg mist, bottle_refill .. 
thus the tag is used for anything.


The word 'type' in the description is the probable source of this 
confusion.


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Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-09-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mi., 28. Sept. 2022 um 10:45 Uhr schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>:

> I would not use the tag man_made=water_tap for these.
>
>
> Why not use https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:fountain
>
>
> You will note the different tags - some relate to the 'style' of the
> structure others relate to the water delivery eg mist, bottle_refill ..
> thus the tag is used for anything.
>
> The word 'type' in the description is the probable source of this
> confusion.
>


We introduced the fountain tag particularly to distinguish different
drinking fountain types around here. You are right that somebody has
"hijacked" the key and uses it with values like "mist", and
"bottle_refill", which seem to be describing something slightly different,
on the other hand it could still be seen as kind of the same property.

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Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-09-29 Thread Warin


On 28/9/22 21:26, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:

Am Mi., 28. Sept. 2022 um 10:45 Uhr schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>:

I would not use the tag man_made=water_tap for these.


Why not use https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:fountain


You will note the different tags - some relate to the 'style' of
the structure others relate to the water delivery eg mist,
bottle_refill .. thus the tag is used for anything.

The word 'type' in the description is the probable source of this
confusion.



We introduced the fountain tag particularly to distinguish different 
drinking fountain types



I think you mean "different drinking fountain apperance"?

around here. You are right that somebody has "hijacked" the key and 
uses it with values like "mist", and "bottle_refill", which seem to be 
describing something slightly different



possibly "different drinking fountain water flow"?



, on the other hand it could still be seen as kind of the same property.



Err no. They are different properties - visual appearance vs water flow.

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Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-09-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer


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> On 29 Sep 2022, at 09:43, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> particularly to distinguish different drinking fountain types
>> 
>> I think you mean "different drinking fountain apperance"?
>> 
> 
> I think you mean "different drinking fountain apperance"?
> 

no, I mean types

> possibly "different drinking fountain water flow"? 
> 

that could be a different tag


> 
>> , on the other hand it could still be seen as kind of the same property.
> 
> Err no. They are different properties - visual appearance vs water flow.
> 

it is about fountain typologies according to the system that fountain proposes 
(arguably it is not complete or finished). “bottle refill” which you mentioned 
as outlier, as far as I understand it, is used for specific machines built to 
refill water bottles (or glasses), not for any kind of fountain where you can 
refill a bottle (sometimes it is not geometrically possible/convenient to do 
it, eg bubblers). Also “mist” can be seen as a type of fountain, as is splash 
pad. It is true that sometimes the kind of water flow is implied, but this is 
not the criterion in general 


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Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-09-29 Thread Warin


On 29/9/22 18:03, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:



sent from a phone


On 29 Sep 2022, at 09:43, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:


particularly to distinguish different drinking fountain types

<#>
Am Mi., 28. Sept. 2022 um 10:45 Uhr schrieb Warin 
<61sundow...@gmail.com>:


I would not use the tag man_made=water_tap for these.


Why not use https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:fountain


You will note the different tags - some relate to the 'style' of
the structure others relate to the water delivery eg mist,
bottle_refill .. thus the tag is used for anything.

The word 'type' in the description is the probable source of
this confusion.



We introduced the fountain tag particularly to distinguish different 
drinking fountain types



I think you mean "different drinking fountain apperance"?



no, I mean types



And what do you mean by 'drinking fountain types'? Read the bottom first...





possibly "different drinking fountain water flow"?



that could be a different tag





, on the other hand it could still be seen as kind of the same property.



Err no. They are different properties - visual appearance vs water flow.



it is about fountain typologies according to the system that fountain 
proposes (arguably it is not complete or finished). “bottle refill” 
which you mentioned as outlier, as far as I understand it, is used for 
specific machines built to refill water bottles (or glasses), not for 
any kind of fountain where you can refill a bottle (sometimes it is 
not geometrically possible/convenient to do it, eg bubblers). Also 
“mist” can be seen as a type of fountain, as is splash pad. It is true 
that sometimes the kind of water flow is implied, but this is not the 
criterion in general



Present on the fountain page;

Styles?

nasone 'style' Literally meaning "large nose"

toret 'style'  The water is running out of an iron cast bull's head.

roman_wolf 'style'  water is running out of an iron cast wolf's head and 
for easier drinking there is a hole on the top where the water ejects 
when you cap the lower hole.


wallace 'style' green cast iron Possibly these could have 
designer=wallace?, material=cast_iron and colour=green



Material?

stone_block - 'material' .. so use the key material?


Water delivery?

nozzle

mist

bubbler

splash_pad





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Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-09-29 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
I expanded https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dwater_tap
based on discussion here and what I researched while implementing
https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/pull/4423
("How is drinking water provided here?")

Feel free to improve that wiki page (and others) if I put something 
incorrect there and to expand it if needed.

Sep 28, 2022, 00:29 by graemefi...@gmail.com:

> I would say that regardless of how it's operated - turn handle, push button, 
> lever, foot pedal, auto sensor etc - that if water comes out, it's a tap!
>
> Thanks
>
> Graeme
>
>
> On Tue, 27 Sept 2022 at 23:20, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <> 
> tagging@openstreetmap.org> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sep 27, 2022, 14:58 by >> dieterdre...@gmail.com>> :
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> sent from a phone
>>>
 On 27 Sep 2022, at 14:52, Georg < georg2...@nurfuerspam.de > wrote:

 IMHO yes.

>>>
>>>
>>> I agree, although I wouldn’t see it necessary to characterize the feature 
>>>
>> I see value in mapping whether given amenity=drinking_water
>> is a proper tap or just providing miserable jet of water making
>> impossible to fill water bottle.
>>
>> Also, I noticed that many bare amenity=drinking_water are in 
>> various ways quite likely to be problematic 
>> (misplaced, used for water taps without drinkable water or
>> inaccessible to public and soon)
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Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-09-29 Thread stevea
Water "tap" implies at least some (even if crude) control of the flow.

I don't know where the rest of it goes, but if you are "tapping" water (at a 
drinking fountain, a sink, as a plumber...), you strongly imply, if not 
guarantee, that you allow some control over the flow of it.  To call it a water 
"tap" automatically (in my mind, understanding, life-long experience...) means 
"valve" (somehow, somewhere, and if there isn't one, and you are a plumber, 
perhaps it is Job 1 to install a valve).
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Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-09-30 Thread Warin


On 30/9/22 13:01, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote:

I expanded https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dwater_tap
based on discussion here and what I researched while implementing
https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/pull/4423
("How is drinking water provided here?")

Feel free to improve that wiki page (and others) if I put something
incorrect there and to expand it if needed.

Sep 28, 2022, 00:29 by graemefi...@gmail.com:

I would say that regardless of how it's operated - turn handle,
push button, lever, foot pedal, auto sensor etc - that if water
comes out, it's a tap!



I would not tag a bubbler as a tap.

"if water comes out, it is a tap" is not always the case.





Thanks

Graeme


On Tue, 27 Sept 2022 at 23:20, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
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Sep 27, 2022, 14:58 by dieterdre...@gmail.com:



sent from a phone

On 27 Sep 2022, at 14:52, Georg
 wrote:

IMHO yes.



I agree, although I wouldn’t see it necessary to
characterize the feature

I see value in mapping whether given amenity=drinking_water
is a proper tap or just providing miserable jet of water making
impossible to fill water bottle.

Also, I noticed that many bare amenity=drinking_water are in
various ways quite likely to be problematic
(misplaced, used for water taps without drinkable water or
inaccessible to public and soon)
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Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-09-30 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Fri, 30 Sept 2022 at 18:29, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I would not tag a bubbler as a tap.
>
These were the bubblers that we grew up with at school

https://victoriancollections.net.au/media/collectors/57a00a4fd0cdd1210422a51e/items/59b460bc21ea6705f4784c26/item-media/59b460db21ea6705f4785418/item-fit-380x285.jpg

& we had a few of these in the main street!

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQkvFD46TMCRZIHH70vkP8Q0Qzdjv0HWGoPoGAbFKYP9lx9off-7OuONYzPkQ7MkTGZ--4&usqp=CAU

Aren't they also taps, despite being bubblers?

> "if water comes out, it is a tap" is not always the case.
>
I should have said that if you need to manipulate something to make the
water come out, then it's a tap!

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Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-10-01 Thread Warin


On 1/10/22 08:23, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:




On Fri, 30 Sept 2022 at 18:29, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

I would not tag a bubbler as a tap.

These were the bubblers that we grew up with at school

https://victoriancollections.net.au/media/collectors/57a00a4fd0cdd1210422a51e/items/59b460bc21ea6705f4784c26/item-media/59b460db21ea6705f4785418/item-fit-380x285.jpg



Yep.



& we had a few of these in the main street!

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQkvFD46TMCRZIHH70vkP8Q0Qzdjv0HWGoPoGAbFKYP9lx9off-7OuONYzPkQ7MkTGZ--4&usqp=CAU 




There is a similar one in front of Matthew Flinders Statue, Macquarie 
St, Sydney. Its cleanliness varies .. there is a more modern one across 
the road and further south if it is too bad.




Aren't they also taps, despite being bubblers?

"if water comes out, it is a tap" is not always the case.

I should have said that if you need to manipulate something to make 
the water come out, then it's a tap!



'taps' also come with other things for example showers. It you map a 
shower .. does that not imply a tap? Similar for bubbler?


Renders may map the 'tap' instead of the shower/bubbler if both are 
tagged. I'd rather not confuse them.


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Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-10-01 Thread stevea
On Oct 1, 2022, at 12:54 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 1/10/22 08:23, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
>> I should have said that if you need to manipulate something to make the 
>> water come out, then it's a tap!
> 
> 'taps' also come with other things for example showers. It you map a shower 
> .. does that not imply a tap? Similar for bubbler? 
> 
> Renders may map the 'tap' instead of the shower/bubbler if both are tagged. 
> I'd rather not confuse them. 

This is why I said "if it's got a user-friendly valve," like if you press a 
button (and a stream shoots up to your lips to drink), wiggle a stem so water 
falls down (on your hands to wash), step on a lever (and the flow 
begins)...yeah, these things have a knob / lever / valve (maybe it rotates, 
maybe it needs to be "pressed"):  these are water_taps.  You might wash your 
hands, you might flow gently upwards in an arc for your lips, you might cause a 
light flow to drip or flow downward.  The "valve" (of many sorts), makes it a 
"tap."
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Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-10-01 Thread Davidoskky via Tagging

This is why I said "if it's got a user-friendly valve," like if you press a button (and a stream shoots up to 
your lips to drink), wiggle a stem so water falls down (on your hands to wash), step on a lever (and the flow 
begins)...yeah, these things have a knob / lever / valve (maybe it rotates, maybe it needs to be "pressed"):  
these are water_taps.  You might wash your hands, you might flow gently upwards in an arc for your lips, you might 
cause a light flow to drip or flow downward.  The "valve" (of many sorts), makes it a "tap."


I'll add to this list all those taps that can be activated without a 
direct manipulation of an object, such as passing your hand in front of 
a light ray which causes the water to start flowing.



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Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-10-01 Thread stevea
On Oct 1, 2022, at 4:41 PM, Davidoskky via Tagging  
wrote:
>> This is why I said "if it's got a user-friendly valve," like if you press a 
>> button (and a stream shoots up to your lips to drink), wiggle a stem so 
>> water falls down (on your hands to wash), step on a lever (and the flow 
>> begins)...yeah, these things have a knob / lever / valve (maybe it rotates, 
>> maybe it needs to be "pressed"):  these are water_taps.  You might wash your 
>> hands, you might flow gently upwards in an arc for your lips, you might 
>> cause a light flow to drip or flow downward.  The "valve" (of many sorts), 
>> makes it a "tap."
> 
> I'll add to this list all those taps that can be activated without a direct 
> manipulation of an object, such as passing your hand in front of a light ray 
> which causes the water to start flowing.

The objects being manipulated in this case are photons.

Maybe you are being needlessly pedantic or "splitting hairs" (getting lost in 
the minutiae of details), I'm not sure.  But I think asserting "if there is a 
valve (and there are many sorts of valves), it's a tap" is fairly clear.
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Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-10-01 Thread Davidoskky via Tagging




I'll add to this list all those taps that can be activated without a direct 
manipulation of an object, such as passing your hand in front of a light ray 
which causes the water to start flowing.

The objects being manipulated in this case are photons.

Maybe you are being needlessly pedantic or "splitting hairs" (getting lost in the 
minutiae of details), I'm not sure.  But I think asserting "if there is a valve (and there are 
many sorts of valves), it's a tap" is fairly clear.


I think your definition is perfectly good. I was just pointing out that 
other kinds of devices using valves exist that don't always require 
manipulation of any object.



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Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-10-01 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 2 Oct 2022 at 10:05, Davidoskky via Tagging <
tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

>
> >> I'll add to this list all those taps that can be activated without a
> direct manipulation of an object, such as passing your hand in front of a
> light ray which causes the water to start flowing.
> > The objects being manipulated in this case are photons.
> >
> > Maybe you are being needlessly pedantic or "splitting hairs" (getting
> lost in the minutiae of details), I'm not sure.  But I think asserting "if
> there is a valve (and there are many sorts of valves), it's a tap" is
> fairly clear.
>
> I think your definition is perfectly good. I was just pointing out that
> other kinds of devices using valves exist that don't always require
> manipulation of any object.
>

Yep!

If they don't exist already, pretty soon you'll be just able to say "Turn
the tap on - harder - now warmer - no that's too hot - yep, that's right -
now turn it off, thanks". Which will all be *much* easier than just turning
a tap! :-)

Thanks

Graeme
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Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

2022-10-10 Thread Matija Nalis
On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 20:13:00 -0700, stevea  wrote:
> Water "tap" implies at least some (even if crude) control of the flow.


And if one wants to define exactly how that flow is controlled, there is:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:handle

and other tags, like:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:actuator=manual
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:turn_to_close
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:mechanical_driver

etc.


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