[Tagging] Research laboratory
Hello, First sorry for my poor english, i was french (no one is perfect). I was looking to tag Research Laboratory (either private/commercial and public), part or not part of a univercity. This Research laboratory are big one with industrial facility (like plant) for biological, geological or nuclear research. I do not find satisfaying tags for that (but perhaps i do not search the right way). OSM wiki do not have info about that (except a 2008 proposal [1]) Taginfo show me : amenity=laboratory (66) building=laboratory (10) office=laboratory , but it was pure RD (not industrial ones) health_facility:type=laboratory (138) : but only for medical research research_institution=yes (2008 proposal) laboratory=* For big/industrial research lab i would use industrial=laboratory + laboratory=nuclear inside a landuse=industrial For small ones (not industrial) : building=laboratory + laboratory=nuclear What about this ? -- Pierre-Alain Dorange OSM experiences : http://www.leretourdelautruche.com/map/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Research laboratory
Hi Pierre-Alain, That's a good question. I thought I'd search a couple of names to see how they are tagged. Here is a selection: INRIA (in France): * office=research http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2529263700 * office=government http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/124838923 * landuse=commercial (huh?) http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/52380877 Fraunhofer (in Germany): * office=research http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/146020861 * office=research http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2869588612 * landuse=industrial http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/244665212 * landuse=commercial (huh?) http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/62306004 (I haven't listed entries which don't really have any tagging.) In my opinion office=research is a good choice, and it is already used a lot: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/compare/office=research/industrial=laboratory/office=laboratory Best Dan 2014-08-05 11:06 GMT+01:00 Pierre-Alain Dorange pdora...@mac.com: Hello, First sorry for my poor english, i was french (no one is perfect). I was looking to tag Research Laboratory (either private/commercial and public), part or not part of a univercity. This Research laboratory are big one with industrial facility (like plant) for biological, geological or nuclear research. I do not find satisfaying tags for that (but perhaps i do not search the right way). OSM wiki do not have info about that (except a 2008 proposal [1]) Taginfo show me : amenity=laboratory (66) building=laboratory (10) office=laboratory , but it was pure RD (not industrial ones) health_facility:type=laboratory (138) : but only for medical research research_institution=yes (2008 proposal) laboratory=* For big/industrial research lab i would use industrial=laboratory + laboratory=nuclear inside a landuse=industrial For small ones (not industrial) : building=laboratory + laboratory=nuclear What about this ? -- Pierre-Alain Dorange OSM experiences : http://www.leretourdelautruche.com/map/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Research laboratory
2014-08-05 12:06 GMT+02:00 Pierre-Alain Dorange pdora...@mac.com: amenity=laboratory (66) I think this would be a generic tag for a single laboratory. (generic, because a laboratory will be very different according to what you are doing there, e.g. developping photos, medical research, medical analysis, developing motors, research on radio waves, ...). Even something like chemistry_laboratory will still be quite generic with respect to the different kind of actual chemical laboratories that there are in the world. building=laboratory (10) fine for a lab building, not sufficient (IMHO) for the lab itself (function, user) office=laboratory , but it was pure RD (not industrial ones) doesn't make sense to me. Something is typically either a lab or an office (different specs / requirements) health_facility:type=laboratory (138) : but only for medical research I am not sure I'd use this for research, but I'd probably use it for service labs (i.e. a lab that does blood analysis or other kind of medical analysis) research_institution=yes (2008 proposal) this will fit on the institution, e.g. Fraunhofer, Max-Planck, CNR in Italy, etc. laboratory=* sounds like a tag to refine the type of lab For big/industrial research lab i would use industrial=laboratory + laboratory=nuclear inside a landuse=industrial in the case of nuclear I'd like agree, while not everyone conducting research for an industrial user, or owned by an industrial company will himself be considered industrial (IMHO). Maybe this something we should clarify / reach for consensus: what is industrial meaning ? In building law, industrial usage is typically opposed to research or administration usage, because you'd expect the latter to create less pollution, (noise, smell etc.) and they are therefor more compatible with residential requirements. For small ones (not industrial) : building=laboratory + laboratory=nuclear what is your definition of an industrial laboratory and which other types would you like to be there? FWIW, I'd interpret this tag combination as a lab building for nuclear research or analysis, but I wouldn't necessarily expect a nuclear lab working inside (could also be a disused lab). I have found these (in small) use tags in the amenity namespace (which I would likely expect this to be in): 17 *amenity* http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/amenity *research*_institution http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/amenity=research_institution 16 *amenity* http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/amenity *research* http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/amenity=research 11 *amenity* http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/amenity *research*_institute http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/amenity=research_institute 6 *amenity* http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/amenity *research*_centre http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/amenity=research_centre 6 *amenity* http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/amenity *research*_station http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/amenity=research_station 3 *amenity* http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/amenity *research*_center http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/amenity=research_center 3 old_*amenity* http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/old_amenity *research*_institution http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/old_amenity=research_institution 1 *amenity* http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/amenity *Research* Institute http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/amenity=Research%20Institute cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
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A laboratory can take a lot of forms: a building, a farm field, a desert ... So definitely defining a primary tag with laboratory=primary speciality is a good idea imo. Yves On 5 août 2014 12:39:10 UTC+02:00, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-08-05 12:06 GMT+02:00 Pierre-Alain Dorange pdora...@mac.com: amenity=laboratory (66) I think this would be a generic tag for a single laboratory. (generic, because a laboratory will be very different according to what you are doing there, e.g. developping photos, medical research, medical analysis, developing motors, research on radio waves, ...). Even something like chemistry_laboratory will still be quite generic with respect to the different kind of actual chemical laboratories that there are in the world. building=laboratory (10) fine for a lab building, not sufficient (IMHO) for the lab itself (function, user) office=laboratory , but it was pure RD (not industrial ones) doesn't make sense to me. Something is typically either a lab or an office (different specs / requirements) health_facility:type=laboratory (138) : but only for medical research I am not sure I'd use this for research, but I'd probably use it for service labs (i.e. a lab that does blood analysis or other kind of medical analysis) research_institution=yes (2008 proposal) this will fit on the institution, e.g. Fraunhofer, Max-Planck, CNR in Italy, etc. laboratory=* sounds like a tag to refine the type of lab For big/industrial research lab i would use industrial=laboratory + laboratory=nuclear inside a landuse=industrial in the case of nuclear I'd like agree, while not everyone conducting research for an industrial user, or owned by an industrial company will himself be considered industrial (IMHO). Maybe this something we should clarify / reach for consensus: what is industrial meaning ? In building law, industrial usage is typically opposed to research or administration usage, because you'd expect the latter to create less pollution, (noise, smell etc.) and they are therefor more compatible with residential requirements. For small ones (not industrial) : building=laboratory + laboratory=nuclear what is your definition of an industrial laboratory and which other types would you like to be there? FWIW, I'd interpret this tag combination as a lab building for nuclear research or analysis, but I wouldn't necessarily expect a nuclear lab working inside (could also be a disused lab). I have found these (in small) use tags in the amenity namespace (which I would likely expect this to be in): 17 *amenity* http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/amenity *research*_institution http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/amenity=research_institution 16 *amenity* http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/amenity *research* http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/amenity=research 11 *amenity* http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/amenity *research*_institute http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/amenity=research_institute 6 *amenity* http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/amenity *research*_centre http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/amenity=research_centre 6 *amenity* http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/amenity *research*_station http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/amenity=research_station 3 *amenity* http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/amenity *research*_center http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/amenity=research_center 3 old_*amenity* http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/old_amenity *research*_institution http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/old_amenity=research_institution 1 *amenity* http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/amenity *Research* Institute http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/amenity=Research%20Institute cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Envoyé de mon téléphone Android avec K-9 Mail. Excusez la brièveté.___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Research laboratory
See also this rejected proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/research_institution On 5 August 2014 14:18, Yves yve...@gmail.com wrote: A laboratory can take a lot of forms: a building, a farm field, a desert ... So definitely defining a primary tag with laboratory=primary speciality is a good idea imo. Yves On 5 août 2014 12:39:10 UTC+02:00, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-08-05 12:06 GMT+02:00 Pierre-Alain Dorange pdora...@mac.com: amenity=laboratory (66) I think this would be a generic tag for a single laboratory. (generic, because a laboratory will be very different according to what you are doing there, e.g. developping photos, medical research, medical analysis, developing motors, research on radio waves, ...). Even something like chemistry_laboratory will still be quite generic with respect to the different kind of actual chemical laboratories that there are in the world. building=laboratory (10) fine for a lab building, not sufficient (IMHO) for the lab itself (function, user) office=laboratory , but it was pure RD (not industrial ones) doesn't make sense to me. Something is typically either a lab or an office (different specs / requirements) health_facility:type=laboratory (138) : but only for medical research I am not sure I'd use this for research, but I'd probably use it for service labs (i.e. a lab that does blood analysis or other kind of medical analysis) research_institution=yes (2008 proposal) this will fit on the institution, e.g. Fraunhofer, Max-Planck, CNR in Italy, etc. laboratory=* sounds like a tag to refine the type of lab For big/industrial research lab i would use industrial=laboratory + laboratory=nuclear inside a landuse=industrial in the case of nuclear I'd like agree, while not everyone conducting research for an industrial user, or owned by an industrial company will himself be considered industrial (IMHO). Maybe this something we should clarify / reach for consensus: what is industrial meaning ? In building law, industrial usage is typically opposed to research or administration usage, because you'd expect the latter to create less pollution, (noise, smell etc.) and they are therefor more compatible with residential requirements. For small ones (not industrial) : building=laboratory + laboratory=nuclear what is your definition of an industrial laboratory and which other types would you like to be there? FWIW, I'd interpret this tag combination as a lab building for nuclear research or analysis, but I wouldn't necessarily expect a nuclear lab working inside (could also be a disused lab). I have found these (in small) use tags in the amenity namespace (which I would likely expect this to be in): 17 *amenity* http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/amenity *research*_institution http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/amenity=research_institution 16 *amenity* http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/amenity *research* http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/amenity=research 11 *amenity* http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/amenity *research*_institute http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/amenity=research_institute 6 *amenity* http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/amenity *research*_centre http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/amenity=research_centre 6 *amenity* http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/amenity *research*_station http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/amenity=research_station 3 *amenity* http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/amenity *research*_center http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/amenity=research_center 3 old_*amenity* http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/old_amenity *research*_institution http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/old_amenity=research_institution 1 *amenity* http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/amenity *Research* Institute http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/amenity=Research%20Institute cheers, Martin -- Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Envoyé de mon téléphone Android avec K-9 Mail. Excusez la brièveté. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
