Re: [Tagging] Tag approval process or its absence (was: Voting for Relation type=waterway)
Hi 2012/2/21 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: Hi, On 02/20/2012 10:59 PM, LM_1 wrote: The possibility of free tags is great, but once some tagging style proves as usable (and better than any other), ... which will never be the case ... I know, it is a kind of ideal state, the closer we are to it, the better. it should become a standard and used exclusively ... in which geographic / cultural region? In all of them. Lukáš Matějka ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tag approval process or its absence (was: Voting for Relation type=waterway)
2012/2/21 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org I don't think that a tagging style that works best in Europe will automatically also be the one that works best in South America. Any attempt to force everyone to use the same style will automatically make the map *less* good in some places. I think that it is one of the great strengths of OSM that we can allow people to map what is good for them locally, and we should not throw that away just because some programmer somewhere finds it easier to roll out his iPhone app if tags are synchronized the world over! And if there's three or four different tagging schemes for the same thing in the same country? Changing in quantity, genre or spelling for instance. Bye Frederik ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tag approval process or its absence (was: Voting for Relation type=waterway)
On 21/02/12 09:45, Frederik Ramm wrote: I don't think that a tagging style that works best in Europe will automatically also be the one that works best in South America. Any attempt to force everyone to use the same style will automatically make the map *less* good in some places. I think that it is one of the great strengths of OSM that we can allow people to map what is good for them locally, and we should not throw that away just because some programmer somewhere finds it easier to roll out his iPhone app if tags are synchronized the world over! +1 -- Cheers, Chris user: chillly ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tag approval process or its absence (was: Voting for Relation type=waterway)
On 21/02/12 09:50, sabas88 wrote: 2012/2/21 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org mailto:frede...@remote.org I don't think that a tagging style that works best in Europe will automatically also be the one that works best in South America. Any attempt to force everyone to use the same style will automatically make the map *less* good in some places. I think that it is one of the great strengths of OSM that we can allow people to map what is good for them locally, and we should not throw that away just because some programmer somewhere finds it easier to roll out his iPhone app if tags are synchronized the world over! And if there's three or four different tagging schemes for the same thing in the same country? Changing in quantity, genre or spelling for instance. These schemes will not spontaneously appear, they take time and I'm sure that there will be enough people on this list to point out the error of heading down that path. :-) -- Cheers, Chris user: chillly ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Tag approval process or its absence (was: Voting for Relation type=waterway)
2012/2/20 Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net: Flattening the tag structure by homogenising tags is destroying the fine detail, sometimes carefully crafted by mappers and I will continue to speak out against mass edits that attempt to do just that. I have to disagree. If the tag structure is not homogenised, it makes the data useless. Non-standard and/or undocumented tags are impossible to process in any reasonable way, even if they look perfectly complete and informative to human. The possibility of free tags is great, but once some tagging style proves as usable (and better than any other), it should become a standard and used exclusively (or be challenged by a better one later). Lukáš Matějka (LM_1) 2012/2/20 Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net: On 19/02/12 23:38, Steve Bennett wrote: On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 2:53 AM, Chris Hillo...@raggedred.net wrote: I do not agree with the whole basis of this thread. There are no such things as approved tags, tagging is open and people are free to use *any* tags they like. ... Advertise your ideas and encourage acceptance. Show how well it works any How would you know whether a tag had acceptance? Wouldn't documenting it somewhere make sense? Maybe...in a wiki? I did say document and discuss the OP. What would you call acceptance? Would approved be a reasonable synonym for that? No. It implies some official status that leads people to remove other tags, sometimes with mass edits. The wiki and (currently broken) approval mechanism is not some horrible bureaucracy that exists to ruin your life. It's there so we, as a community, can document the tags we use, and agree on how we use them. While it's ok to spontaneously invent a new tag and use it to solve your current problem, you can surely see the benefits of everyone eventually converging on the same tag? And if so, what would you do with all the old tags that people used before you converged? Wouldn't you deprecate them? No, some tags will wither away, fine. Some seemingly similar tags will exist side-by-side and that is fine too. Most importantly, distinctive differences can emerge too. Just think this through. Approval implies some sort of enforcement, without enforcement what is the point of approval? Just who would make this enforcement happen and how? What would that do to an open project? If only approved tags are used then how would mappers map what they actually see? Wait weeks for some committee to discuss, argue and approve or reject the tag? If you are free to use any tag, what is an approval process for? If approval or 'acceptance' means a tag is rendered or used in a router or whatever then which tool do you mean? There are hundreds run by OSM and other organisations, companies and individuals. Flattening the tag structure by homogenising tags is destroying the fine detail, sometimes carefully crafted by mappers and I will continue to speak out against mass edits that attempt to do just that. -- Cheers, Chris user: chillly ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tag approval process or its absence (was: Voting for Relation type=waterway)
That's some kind of consideration, like the one I proposed some time ago, about building a clean tagging scheme, but has led to a discussion about another topic and died. My +1 will always go to cleaning. Cheers, Stefano ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Tag approval process or its absence (was: Voting for Relation type=waterway)
Hi, On 02/20/2012 10:59 PM, LM_1 wrote: The possibility of free tags is great, but once some tagging style proves as usable (and better than any other), ... which will never be the case ... it should become a standard and used exclusively ... in which geographic / cultural region? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
