Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 63, Issue 53

2014-12-19 Thread Ulrich Lamm
The principle yes vs. no vs. unrecorded is no total ban of default values.
But if both, yes and no have a certain likelyhood, you mustn't use no as 
a default value.

Toll is a good example:
In a region without toll roads or on a type of roads that is always for free, 
you need not tag tool=no.
In coutries like France and Italy, where most motorways are tollroads, but some 
are for free, 
you ought to tag toll=yes to the pay sections and toll=no to the free sections.

But motorways tend to be the best recorded part of a road system.

Residential streets often are not, nor tracks in the fields.
In old narrow urban districts more than 50% of the streets may be oneway roads 
– there you'd better tag oneway=no, if a section of a street is bidirectional.
In the outer suburbs and the scattered settlement around, some streets may have 
sidewalks but some not, some may be paved but some not, some may be lit but 
some not. The ratios may be 95%/5%, 50%/50%, 5%/95%, or anything in between. 
Such are classical conditions where you have to note no as well as yes.
 
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 This advocates adding [oneway=no; toll=no] to nearly all roads (just
 because some are with toll and oneway).
 I consider this as a bad idea.
 
 2014-12-18 15:28 GMT+01:00 Ulrich Lamm ulamm.b...@t-online.de:
 
 
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Ulamm/Mappers,_evaluators_and_feedback
 
 This article is an attempt to write down basic rules of/for OSM
 that had been forgotten to fix in the very beginning.
 
 I had started that page with an invitation on the discussion page to do
 the move now done by Frederik Ramm, if anybody would disagree.
 As you can see, there was a considerable discussion.
 
 Therefore I dared to remove the original invitation after a month.
 
 If now still somebody considers  anything of this short text wrong, please
 tell it.
 
 Ulrich
 
 

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Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 63, Issue 53

2014-12-19 Thread Ulrich Lamm
Some weeks ago, there was a post in the forum by a mapper, who remembered that 
there was a cycletrack at a road he had used, but he had forgotten on which 
side. 
Furthermore, Opencyclemap renders cycleway=track but doesn't detect 
cycyleway:right=track. Therefore, some mappers don't tag the side even if 
they know it.

 I don't understand what sort of structural element might exist on one
 side or the other of a road and a mapper cannot determine which ?

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