Re: [Tagging] Variable Message Signs on Highways

[yo paseopor]

I think it is an interesting question. I explain my opinion about that.
Instead of being about one kind of information, as their name its called
variable it is not possible to determine in all cases what exact
information you will have from them. But you can map about the types
because of the kind of panel you are mapping. In the PDF file  above you
can see a lot of variable signs with one kind of information only.

Here in Spain variable information big panels are ES:S800 / S810 as you can
see in https://www.boe.es/legislacion/codigos/abrir_pdf.
php?fich=020_Codigo_de_Trafico_y_Seguridad_Vial.pdf (Spanish traffic law).
As the Spanish government (Ministerio de Fomento) give us an inventory with
all the traffic signs in their roads Spanish government handle this as a
"normal trafic sign" with the only observation it is electrical or variable.

For panels with variable speed I would use

traffic:sign:forward=ES:R301
maxspeed:forward=variable
side=right

As you cannot define the exact information you will get through the panel I
think you can use the https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/
Extended_traffic_signs_tagging to describe the panel itself and considers
it a traffic sign.

For big panels with unspecific target of the information:

traffic_sign:forward=ES:S800
side=up
Other info you want

I hope it will be useful this approach.

Salut i senyals de transit variable (Health and variable traffic signs)
yopaseopor
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Re: [Tagging] Variable Message Signs on Highways

[Colin Smale]

You might think about whether they are intended for per-lane/lanegroup
or whole-road info. 

These things have already been modelled to death in DATEX II. There is
some possible inspiration here:
http://www.datex2.eu/sites/www.datex2.eu/files/sites/test.datex2.eu/files/DX_VMS_2009-06.pdf

//colin 

On 2017-11-07 17:20, Brian Prangle wrote:

> Hi I'm new here so forgive me if this has been discussed before. 
> 
> I have access to a suitably licensed dataset from Birmingham City Council 
> showing details of Variable Message Signs [1] (overhead or roadside 
> electronic displays of matrix text or pictograms for motorists), but I cannot 
> find anywhere on the wiki a comprehensive tagging schema for them 
> 
> (Unfortunately the location data is way out when examined with satellite 
> imagery so it  looks like a manual job rather than an import. There are about 
> 1200 items in the dataset) 
> 
> My initial ideas are along the following lines: 
> 
> traffic_sign=variable_message 
> 
> traffic_sign:forward =variable_message where way is not oneway 
> 
> traffic_sign:backward =variable_message where way is not oneway 
> 
> variable_message_model =  operator's description from the dataset e.g 4x13 
> VMS MS5 
> 
> variable_message_type = matrix 
> 
> variable_message_type = graphic 
> 
> variable_message_type  = graphic;matrix 
> 
> variable_message_information = parking 
> 
> variable_message_information = traffic 
> 
> traffic_sign:location = overhead   (where the sign is mounted on agntry 
> spanning the highway) 
> 
> traffic_sign:location= roadside ( where the sign is mounted on a pole) 
> 
> Should the node be on the way? 
> 
> Has anyone mapped these consistently anywhere else? Do I have to create a 
> proposal page on the wiki and go through a formal vote? 
> 
> Regards 
> 
> Brian 
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[Tagging] Variable Message Signs on Highways

[Brian Prangle]

Hi I'm new here so forgive me if this has been discussed before.


I have access to a suitably licensed dataset from Birmingham City Council
showing details of Variable Message Signs

(overhead or roadside electronic displays of matrix text or pictograms for
motorists), but I cannot find anywhere on the wiki a comprehensive tagging
schema for them


(Unfortunately the location data is way out when examined with satellite
imagery so it  looks like a manual job rather than an import. There are
about 1200 items in the dataset)


My initial ideas are along the following lines:


traffic_sign=variable_message

traffic_sign:forward =variable_message where way is not oneway

traffic_sign:backward =variable_message where way is not oneway

variable_message_model =  operator's description from the dataset e.g 4x13
VMS MS5

variable_message_type = matrix

variable_message_type = graphic

variable_message_type  = graphic;matrix

variable_message_information = parking

variable_message_information = traffic

traffic_sign:location = overhead   (where the sign is mounted on agntry
spanning the highway)

traffic_sign:location= roadside ( where the sign is mounted on a pole)


Should the node be on the way?


Has anyone mapped these consistently anywhere else? Do I have to create a
proposal page on the wiki and go through a formal vote?


Regards


Brian
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