Re: [Tagging] aerialway=drag_lift
So we return to the top of the problem, why we have aerialway=platter or t-bars ???!!! 2014/1/22 yvecai yve...@gmail.com Thing is, you can expect the average mapper to map an aerialway=drag_lift, but you can't expect every average mapper to distinguish between xyz-bar, platter, rope tow by reading the wiki toroughly. Drag_lift is the default and general tag for lazy mappers for lifts where the user is dragged. See it like a note=fixme if you want. Yves On 01/22/2014 09:14 PM, Janko Mihelić wrote: and a rope_tow is a kind of drag_lift and j-bar is a kind of drag_lift. drag_lift + aerialway:occupancy=2 can be a t-bar, but it can also be some other type of drag_lift which may exist somewhere and we don't know about it. Janko 2014/1/22 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com 2014/1/22 remont...@free.fr remont...@free.fr And if drag_lift != platter != tbar, no, the oppposite: a platter is a kind of drag_lift and a t-bar is also a kind of drag lift. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing listTagging@openstreetmap.orghttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] aerialway=drag_lift
I know Martin, but many people can't understand as I can read… 2014/1/22 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com 2014/1/22 remont...@free.fr remont...@free.fr And if drag_lift != platter != tbar, no, the oppposite: a platter is a kind of drag_lift and a t-bar is also a kind of drag lift. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] aerialway=drag_lift
In a ropetow, you take a wire, no in a platter. But it's the same type of ropeways. But in ropetows, you haven't buttons lifts, so it's different as others buttons lifts, which are with perchs. 2014/1/22 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com and a rope_tow is a kind of drag_lift and j-bar is a kind of drag_lift. drag_lift + aerialway:occupancy=2 can be a t-bar, but it can also be some other type of drag_lift which may exist somewhere and we don't know about it. Janko 2014/1/22 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com 2014/1/22 remont...@free.fr remont...@free.fr And if drag_lift != platter != tbar, no, the oppposite: a platter is a kind of drag_lift and a t-bar is also a kind of drag lift. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] aerialway=drag_lift
Why we have aerialway=platter or T-bars? Maybe the same reason we have building=house, building=residential, building=garage, building=industrial, etc. when we could just tag them all building=yes. They are different forms of a drag lift and the difference has significance to many people. If you do not know or care about the difference, then tag them aerialway=drag_lift (the generic) but please don't change the existing ones that state exactly what they are. Others do care. -Tod On Jan 23, 2014, at 11:13 AM, remont...@free.fr wrote: So we return to the top of the problem, why we have aerialway=platter or t-bars ???!!! 2014/1/22 yvecai yve...@gmail.com Thing is, you can expect the average mapper to map an aerialway=drag_lift, but you can't expect every average mapper to distinguish between xyz-bar, platter, rope tow by reading the wiki toroughly. Drag_lift is the default and general tag for lazy mappers for lifts where the user is dragged. See it like a note=fixme if you want. Yves smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] aerialway=drag_lift
I think we can delete aerialway=drag_lift of Openstreetmap's wiki because it's a duplication of platter. Same thing for t-bar, for 2 places platters, we have the tag aerialway:occupancy=2, which is not easily parametrable in iD editor. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] aerialway=drag_lift
2014/1/22 remont...@free.fr remont...@free.fr I think we can delete aerialway=drag_lift of Openstreetmap's wiki because it's a duplication of platter. Same thing for t-bar, for 2 places platters, we have the tag aerialway:occupancy=2, which is not easily parametrable in iD editor. According to taginfo, aerialway=platter is used much fewer than drag_lift and t-bar is almost at par with platter. The proposal states that this is only to be used for Platter lifthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platter_lift, similar to a t-bar, but with a disc instead of a bar. Single-person only. http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Piste_Maps http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/aerialway#values drag_lift http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/aerialway=drag_lift 4 830 platter http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/aerialway=platter 1 471 goods http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/aerialway=goods 1 217 t-bar http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/aerialway=t-bar 1 206 so NO, DO NOT DELETE the mentioned values from the wiki! cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] aerialway=drag_lift
So, why we have platters, and why it is recommended on iD editor ? And what is the utility of t-bar, because it's a platter with 2 persons, so aerialway:occupancy=2, no ? I can't understand why it is duplicate. It's not good… 2014/1/22 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com 2014/1/22 remont...@free.fr remont...@free.fr I think we can delete aerialway=drag_lift of Openstreetmap's wiki because it's a duplication of platter. Same thing for t-bar, for 2 places platters, we have the tag aerialway:occupancy=2, which is not easily parametrable in iD editor. According to taginfo, aerialway=platter is used much fewer than drag_lift and t-bar is almost at par with platter. The proposal states that this is only to be used for Platter lifthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platter_lift, similar to a t-bar, but with a disc instead of a bar. Single-person only. http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Piste_Maps http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/aerialway#values drag_lift http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/aerialway=drag_lift 4 830 platter http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/aerialway=platter 1 471 goods http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/aerialway=goods 1 217 t-bar http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/aerialway=t-bar 1 206 so NO, DO NOT DELETE the mentioned values from the wiki! cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] aerialway=drag_lift
Drag lift is more generic - both t-bar and platter (and rope_tow) are subtypes of drag lift. The distinction between t-bar, platter and rope_tow is very important to some people (particularly inexperienced skiers). In some areas like Austria the t-bar is more popular whereas in France you see only platters. Colin On 2014-01-22 17:47, remont...@free.fr wrote: So, why we have platters, and why it is recommended on iD editor ? And what is the utility of t-bar, because it's a platter with 2 persons, so aerialway:occupancy=2, no ? I can't understand why it is duplicate. It's not good... 2014/1/22 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com 2014/1/22 remont...@free.fr remont...@free.fr I think we can delete aerialway=drag_lift of Openstreetmap's wiki because it's a duplication of platter. Same thing for t-bar, for 2 places platters, we have the tag aerialway:occupancy=2, which is not easily parametrable in iD editor. According to taginfo, aerialway=platter is used much fewer than drag_lift and t-bar is almost at par with platter. The proposal states that this is only to be used for Platter lift [1], similar to a t-bar, but with a disc instead of a bar. Single-person only. http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Piste_Maps [2] http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/aerialway#values [3] drag_lift [4] 4 830 platter [5] 1 471 goods [6] 1 217 t-bar [7] 1 206 so NO, DO NOT DELETE the mentioned values from the wiki! cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging [8] ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging [8] Links: -- [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platter_lift [2] http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Piste_Maps [3] http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/aerialway#values [4] http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/aerialway=drag_lift [5] http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/aerialway=platter [6] http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/aerialway=goods [7] http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/aerialway=t-bar [8] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] aerialway=drag_lift
iD contains a lot of Americanisms. Until this discussion I had never heard of a platter lift. I am guessing they are what we brits normally call either a button lift, or more usually a poma lift (although that's a trade mark). These are common in France. T-bars are more common in Austria. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 22/01/2014 16:47 remont...@free.fr wrote: So, why we have platters, and why it is recommended on iD editor ? And what is the utility of t-bar, because it's a platter with 2 persons, so aerialway:occupancy=2, no ? I can't understand why it is duplicate. It's not good… 2014/1/22 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com 2014/1/22 remont...@free.fr remont...@free.fr I think we can delete aerialway=drag_lift of Openstreetmap's wiki because it's a duplication of platter. Same thing for t-bar, for 2 places platters, we have the tag aerialway:occupancy=2, which is not easily parametrable in iD editor. According to taginfo, aerialway=platter is used much fewer than drag_lift and t-bar is almost at par with platter. The proposal states that this is only to be used for Platter lift, similar to a t-bar, but with a disc instead of a bar. Single-person only. http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Piste_Maps http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/aerialway#values drag_lift 4 830 platter 1 471 goods 1 217 t-bar 1 206 so NO, DO NOT DELETE the mentioned values from the wiki! cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] aerialway=drag_lift
2014/1/22 remont...@free.fr remont...@free.fr So, why we have platters, and why it is recommended on iD editor ? I can't tell you why iD recommends this it, and more importantly, for what it recommends this tag. Generally I'd see drag_lift as a more generic form comprising both, platters (according to the proposal with a disk to put underneath your back and for one person at a time) and t-bars (double) and J-bars (also single) cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] aerialway=drag_lift
But t-bar are only platters with aerialway:occupancy=2 2014/1/22 Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl Drag lift is more generic - both t-bar and platter (and rope_tow) are subtypes of drag lift. The distinction between t-bar, platter and rope_tow is very important to some people (particularly inexperienced skiers). In some areas like Austria the t-bar is more popular whereas in France you see only platters. Colin On 2014-01-22 17:47, remont...@free.fr wrote: So, why we have platters, and why it is recommended on iD editor ? And what is the utility of t-bar, because it's a platter with 2 persons, so aerialway:occupancy=2, no ? I can't understand why it is duplicate. It's not good... 2014/1/22 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com 2014/1/22 remont...@free.fr remont...@free.fr I think we can delete aerialway=drag_lift of Openstreetmap's wiki because it's a duplication of platter. Same thing for t-bar, for 2 places platters, we have the tag aerialway:occupancy=2, which is not easily parametrable in iD editor. According to taginfo, aerialway=platter is used much fewer than drag_lift and t-bar is almost at par with platter. The proposal states that this is only to be used for Platter lifthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platter_lift, similar to a t-bar, but with a disc instead of a bar. Single-person only. http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Piste_Maps http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/aerialway#values drag_lift http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/aerialway=drag_lift 4 830 platter http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/aerialway=platter 1 471 goods http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/aerialway=goods 1 217 t-bar http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/aerialway=t-bar 1 206 so NO, DO NOT DELETE the mentioned values from the wiki! cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing listTagging@openstreetmap.orghttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] aerialway=drag_lift
But why we can't standardize these tags ? 2014/1/22 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com 2014/1/22 remont...@free.fr remont...@free.fr So, why we have platters, and why it is recommended on iD editor ? I can't tell you why iD recommends this it, and more importantly, for what it recommends this tag. Generally I'd see drag_lift as a more generic form comprising both, platters (according to the proposal with a disk to put underneath your back and for one person at a time) and t-bars (double) and J-bars (also single) cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] aerialway=drag_lift
But why platters and drag_lifts ? We can't use only one tag? 2014/1/22 Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk iD contains a lot of Americanisms. Until this discussion I had never heard of a platter lift. I am guessing they are what we brits normally call either a button lift, or more usually a poma lift (although that's a trade mark). These are common in France. T-bars are more common in Austria. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 22/01/2014 16:47 remont...@free.fr wrote: So, why we have platters, and why it is recommended on iD editor ? And what is the utility of t-bar, because it's a platter with 2 persons, so aerialway:occupancy=2, no ? I can't understand why it is duplicate. It's not good… 2014/1/22 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com 2014/1/22 remont...@free.fr remont...@free.fr I think we can delete aerialway=drag_lift of Openstreetmap's wiki because it's a duplication of platter. Same thing for t-bar, for 2 places platters, we have the tag aerialway:occupancy=2, which is not easily parametrable in iD editor. According to taginfo, aerialway=platter is used much fewer than drag_lift and t-bar is almost at par with platter. The proposal states that this is only to be used for Platter lifthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platter_lift, similar to a t-bar, but with a disc instead of a bar. Single-person only. http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Piste_Maps http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/aerialway#values drag_lift http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/aerialway=drag_lift 4 830 platter http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/aerialway=platter 1 471 goods http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/aerialway=goods 1 217 t-bar http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/aerialway=t-bar 1 206 so NO, DO NOT DELETE the mentioned values from the wiki! cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] aerialway=drag_lift
I disagree, they are not the same at all! Just ask my wife, who has skied for years, has no problems with platter lifts, about a 50% success rate with t-bars on her own, and 10% success rate on t-bars with someone else. Occupancy is also not really the right word as that would refer to the actual number of people using it, and not its capacity per seat. So occupancy would probably be between 0 and 1.7 people per seat (or, otherwise stated, between 0% and 85%) depending on how busy it is. Colin On 2014-01-22 18:38, remont...@free.fr wrote: But t-bar are only platters with aerialway:occupancy=2 2014/1/22 Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl Drag lift is more generic - both t-bar and platter (and rope_tow) are subtypes of drag lift. The distinction between t-bar, platter and rope_tow is very important to some people (particularly inexperienced skiers). In some areas like Austria the t-bar is more popular whereas in France you see only platters. Colin On 2014-01-22 17:47, remont...@free.fr wrote: So, why we have platters, and why it is recommended on iD editor ? And what is the utility of t-bar, because it's a platter with 2 persons, so aerialway:occupancy=2, no ? I can't understand why it is duplicate. It's not good... 2014/1/22 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com 2014/1/22 remont...@free.fr remont...@free.fr I think we can delete aerialway=drag_lift of Openstreetmap's wiki because it's a duplication of platter. Same thing for t-bar, for 2 places platters, we have the tag aerialway:occupancy=2, which is not easily parametrable in iD editor. According to taginfo, aerialway=platter is used much fewer than drag_lift and t-bar is almost at par with platter. The proposal states that this is only to be used for Platter lift [1], similar to a t-bar, but with a disc instead of a bar. Single-person only. http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Piste_Maps [2] http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/aerialway#values [3] drag_lift [4] 4 830 platter [5] 1 471 goods [6] 1 217 t-bar [7] 1 206 so NO, DO NOT DELETE the mentioned values from the wiki! cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging [8] ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging [8] ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging [8] ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging [8] Links: -- [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platter_lift [2] http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Piste_Maps [3] http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/aerialway#values [4] http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/aerialway=drag_lift [5] http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/aerialway=platter [6] http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/aerialway=goods [7] http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/aerialway=t-bar [8] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] aerialway=drag_lift
2014/1/22 remont...@free.fr remont...@free.fr But why we can't standardize these tags ? they are already standardized. We don't have 2 tags that describe the same thing, but to describe the same thing you can choose from different tags ;-) cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] aerialway=drag_lift
As an American, I hadn't heard of a platter lift either. One area I used to ski it had a Poma lift which apparently meets the description. Perhaps whoever chose platter lift wished to avoid a trade name. As mentioned on another response, there are significant differences to the skiers/riders depending on if the lift is a Poma, a T-bar, etc. and the difference is not just the occupancy. They should not be merged into one tag. -Tod On Jan 22, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Philip Barnes wrote: iD contains a lot of Americanisms. Until this discussion I had never heard of a platter lift. I am guessing they are what we brits normally call either a button lift, or more usually a poma lift (although that's a trade mark). These are common in France. T-bars are more common in Austria. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 22/01/2014 16:47 remont...@free.fr wrote: So, why we have platters, and why it is recommended on iD editor ? And what is the utility of t-bar, because it's a platter with 2 persons, so aerialway:occupancy=2, no ? I can't understand why it is duplicate. It's not good… 2014/1/22 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com 2014/1/22 remont...@free.fr remont...@free.fr I think we can delete aerialway=drag_lift of Openstreetmap's wiki because it's a duplication of platter. Same thing for t-bar, for 2 places platters, we have the tag aerialway:occupancy=2, which is not easily parametrable in iD editor. According to taginfo, aerialway=platter is used much fewer than drag_lift and t-bar is almost at par with platter. The proposal states that this is only to be used for Platter lift, similar to a t-bar, but with a disc instead of a bar. Single-person only. http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Piste_Maps http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/aerialway#values drag_lift 4 830 platter 1 471 goods 1 217 t-bar 1 206 so NO, DO NOT DELETE the mentioned values from the wiki! cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] aerialway=drag_lift
But what is the really difference between drag_lift and platter, without thinking about english US or english UK ? They are 1-person skilifts, and t-bar are 2-persons skilifts ! So t-bar == platter with 2 persons, no more!!! So drag_lift == platter = t-bar !!! And if drag_lift != platter != tbar, why 3S, DMC, FUNITELS, CLD, etc… don't have any tags ???!!! 2014/1/22 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com 2014/1/22 remont...@free.fr remont...@free.fr But why we can't standardize these tags ? they are already standardized. We don't have 2 tags that describe the same thing, but to describe the same thing you can choose from different tags ;-) cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] aerialway=drag_lift
But see, t-bars are platters but with 2 persons, no more ! The difference is just about the number of passagers! See photos ! 2014/1/22 Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl I disagree, they are not the same at all! Just ask my wife, who has skied for years, has no problems with platter lifts, about a 50% success rate with t-bars on her own, and 10% success rate on t-bars with someone else. Occupancy is also not really the right word as that would refer to the actual number of people using it, and not its capacity per seat. So occupancy would probably be between 0 and 1.7 people per seat (or, otherwise stated, between 0% and 85%) depending on how busy it is. Colin On 2014-01-22 18:38, remont...@free.fr wrote: But t-bar are only platters with aerialway:occupancy=2 2014/1/22 Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl Drag lift is more generic - both t-bar and platter (and rope_tow) are subtypes of drag lift. The distinction between t-bar, platter and rope_tow is very important to some people (particularly inexperienced skiers). In some areas like Austria the t-bar is more popular whereas in France you see only platters. Colin On 2014-01-22 17:47, remont...@free.fr wrote: So, why we have platters, and why it is recommended on iD editor ? And what is the utility of t-bar, because it's a platter with 2 persons, so aerialway:occupancy=2, no ? I can't understand why it is duplicate. It's not good... 2014/1/22 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com 2014/1/22 remont...@free.fr remont...@free.fr I think we can delete aerialway=drag_lift of Openstreetmap's wiki because it's a duplication of platter. Same thing for t-bar, for 2 places platters, we have the tag aerialway:occupancy=2, which is not easily parametrable in iD editor. According to taginfo, aerialway=platter is used much fewer than drag_lift and t-bar is almost at par with platter. The proposal states that this is only to be used for Platter lifthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platter_lift, similar to a t-bar, but with a disc instead of a bar. Single-person only. http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Piste_Maps http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/aerialway#values drag_lift http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/aerialway=drag_lift 4 830 platter http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/aerialway=platter 1 471 goods http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/aerialway=goods 1 217 t-bar http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/aerialway=t-bar 1 206 so NO, DO NOT DELETE the mentioned values from the wiki! cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing listTagging@openstreetmap.orghttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing listTagging@openstreetmap.orghttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] aerialway=drag_lift
2014/1/22 remont...@free.fr remont...@free.fr And if drag_lift != platter != tbar, no, the oppposite: a platter is a kind of drag_lift and a t-bar is also a kind of drag lift. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] aerialway=drag_lift
and a rope_tow is a kind of drag_lift and j-bar is a kind of drag_lift. drag_lift + aerialway:occupancy=2 can be a t-bar, but it can also be some other type of drag_lift which may exist somewhere and we don't know about it. Janko 2014/1/22 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com 2014/1/22 remont...@free.fr remont...@free.fr And if drag_lift != platter != tbar, no, the oppposite: a platter is a kind of drag_lift and a t-bar is also a kind of drag lift. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] aerialway=drag_lift
Thing is, you can expect the average mapper to map an aerialway=drag_lift, but you can't expect every average mapper to distinguish between xyz-bar, platter, rope tow by reading the wiki toroughly. Drag_lift is the default and general tag for lazy mappers for lifts where the user is dragged. See it like a note=fixme if you want. Yves On 01/22/2014 09:14 PM, Janko Mihelic' wrote: and a rope_tow is a kind of drag_lift and j-bar is a kind of drag_lift. drag_lift + aerialway:occupancy=2 can be a t-bar, but it can also be some other type of drag_lift which may exist somewhere and we don't know about it. Janko 2014/1/22 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com 2014/1/22 remont...@free.fr mailto:remont...@free.fr remont...@free.fr mailto:remont...@free.fr And if drag_lift != platter != tbar, no, the oppposite: a platter is a kind of drag_lift and a t-bar is also a kind of drag lift. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
