Re: [Tagging] amenity=festival_ground

[Nelson A. de Oliveira]

On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 1:46 PM, Mike H <1jg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The third case was for places that are designated to host festivals such as
> fairgrounds, showgrounds, etc... These sites will often be used for other
> uses when they are not hosting festivals, but they are primarily built for
> the festival.

Is it similar to
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/leisure%3Devents
? (which we probably failed to find a better word to represent such
areas when starting the proposal)

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Re: [Tagging] amenity=festival_ground

[Mike H]

Martin, With the first case I meant places where a festival is held, but
it's normally something else like the examples you gave. It also
includes festivals that take place in just open fields. Most of the
examples had information on the event and not any physical features, which
is my biggest concern with this tagging.

The third case was for places that are designated to host festivals such as
fairgrounds, showgrounds, etc... These sites will often be used for other
uses when they are not hosting festivals, but they are primarily built for
the festival. As for the case you bring up of the venues that
aren't strictly for music if they are an area for festivals/events that
sometimes happen to be musical events, I don't see why they wouldn't fit
into the third category. I think there is a difference between a site
sometimes hosting music vs it being built just to hold concerts and the
like.

I guess I wasn't very clear in the my original message, hopefully that
clears it up for you.

Jgon6

On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 7:07 AM Martin Koppenhoefer 
wrote:

>
>
> 2018-07-28 5:11 GMT+02:00 Mike H <1jg...@gmail.com>:
>
>> I came across the tag amenity=festival_grounds
>>  and
>> it has quite a bit of variance in its use. I wrote a diary entry on it so I
>> have more details there.
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jgon6/diary/44497
>>
>> Basically, the tag has 3 main uses. The first is to map where specific
>> festivals are hosted. The second is to map outdoor music venues, and the
>> third is to map sites that actually host festivals or other large events. I
>> know this tag was never "approved", but it does have more than a few uses,
>> and I think it could be a useful tag.
>>
>> What thought does everyone else have?
>>
>
>
> I do not understand the difference between the first and third usage you
> mention.
>
> I could imagine making a distinction between "music venues" (places where
> there are often concerts, like from daily to at least several times a
> month) and those where festivals are held infrequently (but maybe regularly
> recurring), the latter being classified as festival grounds. Maybe there
> are also other events taking place on these grounds? An indicator could
> also be the kind of fencing: is it permanent (music venue) or temporary
> (festival ground).
>
> There are also venues which can't be classified as music venues, because a
> lot of different kind of events take place there (amongst which also
> concerts).
>
> Other places where festivals and open air concerts take place cannot
> reasonably be tagged as festival grounds, like the central square of the
> town or city, e.g. in Rome there are concerts in Circus Maximus or in front
> of the St. John's Basilica (few times a year), in Verona there is the
> "arena" an ancient Roman amphitheatre (many different events through the
> year, unsure about this), in medieval towns the concerts are often at the
> market square, in front of the townhall, etc.  and also other temporary
> festival grounds can be known for different reasons, e.g. castles, stadions
> and racing circuits. Some of them are mostly known for a famous festival
> that takes place there, while for others the festival is just a small part
> of what they do. Shall this be important for our classification?
>
> Then there are places where festivals are held but otherwise there is
> "nothing" remarkable (farmland, desert, meadow, beach etc.).
>
> Generally, we should decide what kind of features and or properties we
> would want to distinguish and which tags are the best (universally
> applicable, unambigous compared to the things we want to distinguish) to do
> it. Having the same tag for what we perceive as different things (according
> to your statement cited above) is not good.
>
> Cheers,
> Martin
>
>
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Re: [Tagging] amenity=festival_ground

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2018-07-28 5:11 GMT+02:00 Mike H <1jg...@gmail.com>:

> I came across the tag amenity=festival_grounds
>  and
> it has quite a bit of variance in its use. I wrote a diary entry on it so I
> have more details there. https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jgon6/
> diary/44497
>
> Basically, the tag has 3 main uses. The first is to map where specific
> festivals are hosted. The second is to map outdoor music venues, and the
> third is to map sites that actually host festivals or other large events. I
> know this tag was never "approved", but it does have more than a few uses,
> and I think it could be a useful tag.
>
> What thought does everyone else have?
>


I do not understand the difference between the first and third usage you
mention.

I could imagine making a distinction between "music venues" (places where
there are often concerts, like from daily to at least several times a
month) and those where festivals are held infrequently (but maybe regularly
recurring), the latter being classified as festival grounds. Maybe there
are also other events taking place on these grounds? An indicator could
also be the kind of fencing: is it permanent (music venue) or temporary
(festival ground).

There are also venues which can't be classified as music venues, because a
lot of different kind of events take place there (amongst which also
concerts).

Other places where festivals and open air concerts take place cannot
reasonably be tagged as festival grounds, like the central square of the
town or city, e.g. in Rome there are concerts in Circus Maximus or in front
of the St. John's Basilica (few times a year), in Verona there is the
"arena" an ancient Roman amphitheatre (many different events through the
year, unsure about this), in medieval towns the concerts are often at the
market square, in front of the townhall, etc.  and also other temporary
festival grounds can be known for different reasons, e.g. castles, stadions
and racing circuits. Some of them are mostly known for a famous festival
that takes place there, while for others the festival is just a small part
of what they do. Shall this be important for our classification?

Then there are places where festivals are held but otherwise there is
"nothing" remarkable (farmland, desert, meadow, beach etc.).

Generally, we should decide what kind of features and or properties we
would want to distinguish and which tags are the best (universally
applicable, unambigous compared to the things we want to distinguish) to do
it. Having the same tag for what we perceive as different things (according
to your statement cited above) is not good.

Cheers,
Martin
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[Tagging] amenity=festival_ground

[Mike H]

I came across the tag amenity=festival_grounds
 and it
has quite a bit of variance in its use. I wrote a diary entry on it so I
have more details there.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jgon6/diary/44497

Basically, the tag has 3 main uses. The first is to map where specific
festivals are hosted. The second is to map outdoor music venues, and the
third is to map sites that actually host festivals or other large events. I
know this tag was never "approved", but it does have more than a few uses,
and I think it could be a useful tag.

What thought does everyone else have?

Jgon6
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