Re: [Tagging] amenity=taxi vehicle type
On Sun, 6 Jan 2019 at 08:29, Phake Nick wrote: > And there are also Tuk Tuk (Auto-Ricksaw?) in SE Asia, the use of golf > cart to offer for-hire service at some specific enclosed locality like > theme parks > Peach Tree City, Georgia (population 35,000) has 94 miles of golf cart tracks reaching almost every destination. Over 9,000 households own a golf cart. I don't know if any company there runs golf cart taxis, but it wouldn't surprise me if they did. Golf cart hire for tourists is more likely, but there may be a golf cart taxi or two. So golf cart taxis probably ought to be taggable, because sooner or later somebody will need to map one. -- Paul ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] amenity=taxi vehicle type
And there are also Tuk Tuk (Auto-Ricksaw?) in SE Asia, the use of golf cart to offer for-hire service at some specific enclosed locality like theme parks, and then maybe there are still places that you can ride on a Palanquin. (Tuk Tuk and Golf cart are automobiles but their different nature probably warrant a separate tag if it's desired to create a vehicle type tag for different taxi) 2019-01-06 09:05, Dave Swarthout wrote: > In Alaska, which is largely roadless, there are countless air-taxis and > many water-taxis. > > On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 7:45 AM Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > >> >> >> sent from a phone >> >> On 5. Jan 2019, at 01:58, Joseph Eisenberg >> wrote: >> >> Alternately, we could use amenity=motorcycle_taxi and amenity=pedicab(? >> is this the British terminology?) >> >> >> >> there are also water taxis (with boats), Venice comes to mind, but there >> are also others. >> >> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_taxi >> >> Cheers, Martin >> ___ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> > > > -- > Dave Swarthout > Homer, Alaska > Chiang Mai, Thailand > Travel Blog at http://dswarthout.blogspot.com > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] amenity=taxi vehicle type
In Alaska, which is largely roadless, there are countless air-taxis and many water-taxis. On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 7:45 AM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > On 5. Jan 2019, at 01:58, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > Alternately, we could use amenity=motorcycle_taxi and amenity=pedicab(? is > this the British terminology?) > > > > there are also water taxis (with boats), Venice comes to mind, but there > are also others. > > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_taxi > > Cheers, Martin > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Dave Swarthout Homer, Alaska Chiang Mai, Thailand Travel Blog at http://dswarthout.blogspot.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] amenity=taxi vehicle type
sent from a phone > On 5. Jan 2019, at 01:58, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > Alternately, we could use amenity=motorcycle_taxi and amenity=pedicab(? is > this the British terminology?) there are also water taxis (with boats), Venice comes to mind, but there are also others. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_taxi Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] amenity=taxi vehicle type
On 06/01/19 10:25, Tom Pfeifer wrote: On 05.01.2019 23:55, Warin wrote: But 'type' does not say much. Better to specify what type of 'type' is to be used :) In this case it is the type of vehicle.. so taxi_vehicle= car/motorcycle/rickshaw/* ? Thanks, I consider that the best idea so far! I just don't like 'type' .. glad you like the suggested change. If it is the 'best suggestion' then your doing very well. On 05.01.2019 16:13, Dolly Andriatsiferana wrote: > wouldn't it be preferable using a different value of amenity=* or > something else and leave amenity=taxi for "taxis"? Using a new amenity value for a feature that we currently have about 300x in the database leads to further tag fragmentation. According to previous discussion the alternative vehicles are indeed called motorcycle taxi etc. So, amenity=taxi lets the data consumer evaluate individual transportation for hire, and taxi_vehicle specifies it in more detail. tom ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] amenity=taxi vehicle type
On 05.01.2019 23:55, Warin wrote: But 'type' does not say much. Better to specify what type of 'type' is to be used :) In this case it is the type of vehicle.. so taxi_vehicle= car/motorcycle/rickshaw/* ? Thanks, I consider that the best idea so far! On 05.01.2019 16:13, Dolly Andriatsiferana wrote: > wouldn't it be preferable using a different value of amenity=* or > something else and leave amenity=taxi for "taxis"? Using a new amenity value for a feature that we currently have about 300x in the database leads to further tag fragmentation. According to previous discussion the alternative vehicles are indeed called motorcycle taxi etc. So, amenity=taxi lets the data consumer evaluate individual transportation for hire, and taxi_vehicle specifies it in more detail. tom ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] amenity=taxi vehicle type
On 05/01/19 21:27, Tobias Knerr wrote: On 05.01.19 02:19, Warin wrote: On 05/01/19 10:34, Tom Pfeifer wrote: taxi_type = car|motorcycle|rickshaw, etc, What does 'type' add to the above? The key taxi=* is already in use to tag access permission for taxi vehicles, with values such as yes|no|designated|destination|permissive. Good point! So adding a "_type" here avoids clashing with an existing key that has a different meaning and a different set of values. But 'type' does not say much. Better to specify what type of 'type' is to be used :) In this case it is the type of vehicle.. so taxi_vehicle= car/motorcycle/rickshaw/* ? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] amenity=taxi vehicle type
> > In a way they are all related, just like buses, streetcars and subways are > all forms of urban public transit, but I think most people do not expect a > motorcycle when they look for a “taxi”? > +1 I wouldn't be comfortable to tag a station for rickshaws as amenity=taxi. And then it renders on the map with a car icon. Unless there are stations with mixed vehicle types (in Madagascar they always have separate dedicated stations), wouldn't it be preferable using a different value of amenity=* or something else and leave amenity=taxi for "taxis"? Le sam. 5 janv. 2019 à 13:29, Tobias Knerr a écrit : > On 05.01.19 02:19, Warin wrote: > > On 05/01/19 10:34, Tom Pfeifer wrote: > >> taxi_type = car|motorcycle|rickshaw, etc, > > > > What does 'type' add to the above? > > The key taxi=* is already in use to tag access permission for taxi > vehicles, with values such as yes|no|designated|destination|permissive. > > So adding a "_type" here avoids clashing with an existing key that has a > different meaning and a different set of values. > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] amenity=taxi vehicle type
On 05.01.19 02:19, Warin wrote: > On 05/01/19 10:34, Tom Pfeifer wrote: >> taxi_type = car|motorcycle|rickshaw, etc, > > What does 'type' add to the above? The key taxi=* is already in use to tag access permission for taxi vehicles, with values such as yes|no|designated|destination|permissive. So adding a "_type" here avoids clashing with an existing key that has a different meaning and a different set of values. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] amenity=taxi vehicle type
On 05/01/19 10:34, Tom Pfeifer wrote: Following a discussion on osm-carto [1], I am looking for a suitable tagging of taxi services that are not passenger cars. Examples are motorcycle taxis and rickshaws. While the original approval for amenity=taxi (32k) [2] does not specify the vehicle type, some additions were introduced in 2013 [3], apparently from the Philippines community [4], to add the following tags: + motorcar=yes|no (usage 289, mostly Philippines) + motorcycle=yes|no (usage 290, mostly Philippines) The problem I see here that this method hijacks access-tags, while the intention is to specify the type of the taxi. The next best candidates for the type are also already occupied with access tagging: taxi=yes|no (18k) vehicle=* (203k) Thus I propose to discourage the use of those access tags, and to use a new subtag for the type of the taxi with an unambiguous key, e.g.: taxi_type = car|motorcycle|rickshaw, etc, What does 'type' add to the above? For me; taxi=car/motorcycle/rickshaw/maxicab/coco/bicitaxi/* does the same. Note maxicabs allow more people, or larger objects to be carried, as well as possibly wheelchairs with a disabled person. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] amenity=taxi vehicle type
Alternately, we could use amenity=motorcycle_taxi and amenity=pedicab(? is this the British terminology?) Here in Indonesia there are separate, unrelated words for each type of hired vehicle, and they serve different markets. In a way they are all related, just like buses, streetcars and subways are all forms of urban public transit, but I think most people do not expect a motorcycle when they look for a “taxi”? But I would be happy with either option On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 8:35 AM Tom Pfeifer wrote: > Following a discussion on osm-carto [1], I am looking for a suitable > tagging of taxi services that > are not passenger cars. > > Examples are motorcycle taxis and rickshaws. > > While the original approval for amenity=taxi (32k) [2] does not specify > the vehicle type, some > additions were introduced in 2013 [3], apparently from the Philippines > community [4], to add the > following tags: > > + motorcar=yes|no (usage 289, mostly Philippines) > + motorcycle=yes|no (usage 290, mostly Philippines) > > The problem I see here that this method hijacks access-tags, while the > intention is to specify the > type of the taxi. The next best candidates for the type are also already > occupied with access tagging: > > taxi=yes|no (18k) > vehicle=* (203k) > > Thus I propose to discourage the use of those access tags, and to use a > new subtag for the type of > the taxi with an unambiguous key, e.g.: > > taxi_type = car|motorcycle|rickshaw, etc, > while car is considered the implicit default. > > tom > > > [1] https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/3621 > > [2] archived Approved features/Tag:amenity=taxi : > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?oldid=62088 > > [3] > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:amenity%3Dtaxi=next=763230 > > [4] > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Philippines/Mapping_conventions#Commuter_Transportation_.2F_Auto_Shops_.26_Services > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] amenity=taxi vehicle type
Following a discussion on osm-carto [1], I am looking for a suitable tagging of taxi services that are not passenger cars. Examples are motorcycle taxis and rickshaws. While the original approval for amenity=taxi (32k) [2] does not specify the vehicle type, some additions were introduced in 2013 [3], apparently from the Philippines community [4], to add the following tags: + motorcar=yes|no (usage 289, mostly Philippines) + motorcycle=yes|no (usage 290, mostly Philippines) The problem I see here that this method hijacks access-tags, while the intention is to specify the type of the taxi. The next best candidates for the type are also already occupied with access tagging: taxi=yes|no (18k) vehicle=* (203k) Thus I propose to discourage the use of those access tags, and to use a new subtag for the type of the taxi with an unambiguous key, e.g.: taxi_type = car|motorcycle|rickshaw, etc, while car is considered the implicit default. tom [1] https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/3621 [2] archived Approved features/Tag:amenity=taxi : https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?oldid=62088 [3] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:amenity%3Dtaxi=next=763230 [4] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Philippines/Mapping_conventions#Commuter_Transportation_.2F_Auto_Shops_.26_Services ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
