Re: [Tagging] depreciate recycling:metal in favor of recycling:scrap_metal
sent from a phone > On 6. Jan 2020, at 04:52, Paul Johnson wrote: > > As opposed to scrap metal, which is pretty much everything from car hulks to > household appliances to copper wiring and plumbing, etc... household appliances are not (only) scrap metal but contain typically a fair amount of other substances that require special taking care of. Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] depreciate recycling:metal in favor of recycling:scrap_metal
6 Jan 2020, 12:37 by jerome.seigneu...@gmail.com: > > recycling:metal_packaging ? > If we go to that you use also carton_packaging, glass_packaging, > metal_packaging, wood_packaging, paper_packaging, plastic_packaging > There are recycling:paper_packaging recycling:plastic_packaging with some noticeable usage ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] depreciate recycling:metal in favor of recycling:scrap_metal
I work in recycling society and there is 2 differents flux domestic packaging "metal, plastic, carton, paper, glass" and other (scrap_metal, concrate, green, produit chimique, oil,...). this is 2 differents waste collection types and sites collection are differents. metal is for me a material. scrap_metal is for an object we need transform to give them a second life. recycling:metal_packaging ? If we go to that you use also carton_packaging, glass_packaging, metal_packaging, wood_packaging, paper_packaging, plastic_packaging Le lun. 6 janv. 2020 à 10:47, Mateusz Konieczny a écrit : > recycling:metal_packaging ? > > There is some use - 31 uses > Far less ambiguous. > > 6 Jan 2020, 04:48 by ba...@ursamundi.org: > > > > On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 10:50 AM Mateusz Konieczny < > matkoni...@tutanota.com> wrote: > > There is no useful difference > therefore it is pointless to have two > separate tags for that. > > > Domestic refuse metals like metal packaging from consumer products (think > like, food and beverage cans), something that you can typically drop off at > your average grocery store parking lot recycling center. As opposed to > scrap metal, which is pretty much everything from car hulks to household > appliances to copper wiring and plumbing, etc... > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Cordialement, Jérôme Seigneuret ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] depreciate recycling:metal in favor of recycling:scrap_metal
recycling:metal_packaging ? There is some use - 31 uses Far less ambiguous. 6 Jan 2020, 04:48 by ba...@ursamundi.org: > > > On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 10:50 AM Mateusz Konieczny <> > matkoni...@tutanota.com> > wrote: > >> There is no useful difference >> therefore it is pointless to have two >> separate tags for that. >> > > Domestic refuse metals like metal packaging from consumer products (think > like, food and beverage cans), something that you can typically drop off at > your average grocery store parking lot recycling center. As opposed to scrap > metal, which is pretty much everything from car hulks to household appliances > to copper wiring and plumbing, etc... >___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] depreciate recycling:metal in favor of recycling:scrap_metal
Le 06.01.20 à 04:48, Paul Johnson a écrit : > Domestic refuse metals like metal packaging from consumer products > (think like, food and beverage cans), something that you can typically > drop off at your average grocery store parking lot recycling center. As > opposed to scrap metal, which is pretty much everything from car hulks > to household appliances to copper wiring and plumbing, etc... how is this usage currently tagged ? if it's with recycling:metal and if it's common, then we have to change the wiki documentation to describe the actual usage (currently the wiki informs that recycling:metal is about scrap metal). but given the ambiguity of recycling:metal, I think it's better to depreciate it in favor of a few precise values (scrap_metal, domestic packaging, etc.). ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] depreciate recycling:metal in favor of recycling:scrap_metal
On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 10:50 AM Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > There is no useful difference > therefore it is pointless to have two > separate tags for that. > Domestic refuse metals like metal packaging from consumer products (think like, food and beverage cans), something that you can typically drop off at your average grocery store parking lot recycling center. As opposed to scrap metal, which is pretty much everything from car hulks to household appliances to copper wiring and plumbing, etc... ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] depreciate recycling:metal in favor of recycling:scrap_metal
On 31/12/2019 15:27, Volker Schmidt wrote: What's the difference between "metal" and "scrap metal". I would have thought any metal can be recycled (if the rightful owner is OK with that). What am I missing? It depends on the context I suspect. If we're describing bins at the local tip, then the terms may well be pretty much synonymous. If you move a bit further up the value chain though there's definitely a difference - a company that is a steel stockholder may well be involved with recycling metals but will probably bristle at being described as a "scrap metal merchant"! Any attempt to deprecate values is probably a bad idea. If you look at https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=recycling etc. you can see that there's quite a lot of overlap between values, but I wouldn't worry about it. Best Regards, Andy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] depreciate recycling:metal in favor of recycling:scrap_metal
On Wed, 1 Jan 2020 at 22:35, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > then my suggestion would be the deprecation of scrap_metal in favor of metal. > I could imagine though that the term scrap metal was introduced to > distinguish it from other kinds of metal collection, like e.g. aluminum cans > or aluminum foil > so for me it seems plausible to have different tags for metal recycling, > generally. I can't see a difference between recycling:scrap_metal and recycling:metal. If a distinction was intended, then a more clear tag should have been chosen (e.g. recycling:iron or recycling:magnetic_metal). Actually i would have preferred recycling:metal (the additional scrap_ is unnecessary), but as recycling:scrap_metal has been used nine times more often, it seems sensible to deprecate it instead. As for more specific metal recycling: some recycling containers for tin and aluminum cans also accept small metal items like screws, nails or chains. Maybe it makes sense to tag this. But how? Using recycling:scrap_metal (or recycling:metal) would likely make people wrongly assume that they can also dispose of larger pieces of metal there (e.g. pots, pans, metal shelves or bicycle frames). What about recycling:small_metal_items? By the way, am i right that recycling:cans is for both tin and aluminium cans (and thus implies recycling:aluminium)? Or is it only for tin cans? Wishing everyone a happy new year! Best regards Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] depreciate recycling:metal in favor of recycling:scrap_metal
sent from a phone > On 31. Dec 2019, at 17:51, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > There is no useful difference > therefore it is pointless to have two > separate tags for that then my suggestion would be the deprecation of scrap_metal in favor of metal. I could imagine though that the term scrap metal was introduced to distinguish it from other kinds of metal collection, like e.g. aluminum cans or aluminum foil so for me it seems plausible to have different tags for metal recycling, generally. Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] depreciate recycling:metal in favor of recycling:scrap_metal
There is no useful difference therefore it is pointless to have two separate tags for that. 31 Dec 2019, 16:27 by vosc...@gmail.com: > What's the difference between "metal" and "scrap metal". I would have thought > any metal can be recycled (if the rightful owner is OK with that). > What am I missing? > > > On Tue, 31 Dec 2019 at 14:02, marc marc <> marc_marc_...@hotmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> >> https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/18152 >> >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Drecycling >> the wiki describe recycling:metal as "ll sorts of metal – possible >> duplicate of more frequently used recycling:scrap_metal; see below." >> the wiki doesn't describe recycling:scrap_metal >> >> does this seem coherent as depreciation? >> if yes, the new value should be documented :) >> my low use of recycling:metal was indeed scrap metal. >> >> Regards, >> Marc >> ___ >> Tagging mailing list >> >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >>___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] depreciate recycling:metal in favor of recycling:scrap_metal
What's the difference between "metal" and "scrap metal". I would have thought any metal can be recycled (if the rightful owner is OK with that). What am I missing? On Tue, 31 Dec 2019 at 14:02, marc marc wrote: > Hello, > > https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/18152 > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Drecycling > the wiki describe recycling:metal as "ll sorts of metal – possible > duplicate of more frequently used recycling:scrap_metal; see below." > the wiki doesn't describe recycling:scrap_metal > > does this seem coherent as depreciation? > if yes, the new value should be documented :) > my low use of recycling:metal was indeed scrap metal. > > Regards, > Marc > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] depreciate recycling:metal in favor of recycling:scrap_metal
Hello, https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/18152 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Drecycling the wiki describe recycling:metal as "ll sorts of metal – possible duplicate of more frequently used recycling:scrap_metal; see below." the wiki doesn't describe recycling:scrap_metal does this seem coherent as depreciation? if yes, the new value should be documented :) my low use of recycling:metal was indeed scrap metal. Regards, Marc ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
