Re: [Tagging] line=* tag on railway lines
I'd love to see this changed on the wiki. Keeping name=* as unwanted mistagging is a very good idea.-Original Message- From: Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging Sent: May 29, 2020 12:37 PM To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" Cc: Mateusz Konieczny Subject: Re: [Tagging] line=* tag on railway lines May 29, 2020, 19:56 by fl.infosrese...@gmail.com:HiLe ven. 29 mai 2020 à 00:03, Jack Armstrong <jacknst...@sprynet.com> a écrit :I think naming the same thing two times is not a best practice? IndeedI'd use name=* on rails only if rails actually have a name.According to this discussion, may I remove the line=* railway chapter on wiki?https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:lineIs it actually used in this way? If used then it should be kept and documented ascommon and unwanted mistagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] line=* tag on railway lines
May 29, 2020, 19:56 by fl.infosrese...@gmail.com: > Hi > > Le ven. 29 mai 2020 à 00:03, Jack Armstrong <> jacknst...@sprynet.com> > a > écrit : > >> >> I think naming the same thing two times is not a best practice? >> >> > Indeed > I'd use name=* on rails only if rails actually have a name. > > According to this discussion, may I remove the line=* railway chapter on wiki? > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:line > Is it actually used in this way? If used then it should be kept and documented as common and unwanted mistagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] line=* tag on railway lines
Hi Le ven. 29 mai 2020 à 00:03, Jack Armstrong a écrit : > > I think naming the same thing two times is not a best practice? > > Indeed I'd use name=* on rails only if rails actually have a name. According to this discussion, may I remove the line=* railway chapter on wiki? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:line All the best François ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] line=* tag on railway lines
Yes, exactly. In Denver, Colorado there are numerous train lines that use the same rails. It seems like a lot of work to name all the member railway tracks, name=C-Line;E-Line;W-Line. It seems the rail itself should have no name because the name will be on the relations assigned to the track. I think naming the same thing two times is not a best practice? -Original Message- >From: Kevin Kenny >Sent: May 28, 2020 2:20 PM >To: Jack Armstrong , "Tag discussion, strategy and related >tools" >Subject: Re: [Tagging] line=* tag on railway lines > >On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 3:56 PM Jack Armstrong wrote: >> I have wondered for a long time... >> >> If the rail is tagged name=* but the railway also has a relation with the >> same name, isn't this naming something twice? it seems to me the relation is >> sufficient and the rail itself should not be named? > >There are cases where there is a whole hierarchy going on, which may >involve superrelations and the like: > >Metropolitan Transportation Authority >Metro-North Railroad >Harlem Division >Wassaic Branch > >So it may be the case that there's a part with one name while the >whole has another. The rail-mappers seem to prefer assigning 'line' >and 'branch' values since that hierarchy is common in their world. But >hierarchical names are sometimes unavoidable. Thinking of my local >bicycle infrastructure, there's a small segment of >(highway=residential) Island View Road that's also routing around an >interruption in a rail-trail (the railbed was destroyed by >construction of a freeway). It's simultaneously 'Island View Road', >the 'Mohawk & Hudson Bike-Hike Trail (lcn)', the 'Erie Canalway (rcn)' >and the 'Empire State Trail (also rcn)' depending on where you are in >the hierarchy. It's signed for all of them. > >-- >73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] line=* tag on railway lines
I just had a quick go on the key:line. There seems to be a plethora of meanings of this tag, some so obscure that I have not the faintest idea what they mean. Try this overpass turbo Wizard search search “type:way and highway=* and line=*” and try to make sense of the results. Volker On Thu, 28 May 2020 at 22:24, François Lacombe wrote: > Hi > > Le jeu. 28 mai 2020 à 21:14, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < > tagging@openstreetmap.org> a écrit : > >> >> Yes, name tag is for name of the object. >> > > I agree > I'd be in favour of removing such mention on wiki wouldn't you? > > Le jeu. 28 mai 2020 à 21:56, Jack Armstrong a > écrit : > >> If the rail is tagged name=* but the railway also has a relation with >> the same name, isn't this naming something twice? it seems to me the >> relation is sufficient and the rail itself should not be named? >> > > We had the question on power lines as well. > At least it's not the same name : name of the physical line, the rails > versus the name of the commercial service > > François > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] line=* tag on railway lines
Hi Le jeu. 28 mai 2020 à 21:14, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> a écrit : > > Yes, name tag is for name of the object. > I agree I'd be in favour of removing such mention on wiki wouldn't you? Le jeu. 28 mai 2020 à 21:56, Jack Armstrong a écrit : > If the rail is tagged name=* but the railway also has a relation with the > same name, isn't this naming something twice? it seems to me the relation > is sufficient and the rail itself should not be named? > We had the question on power lines as well. At least it's not the same name : name of the physical line, the rails versus the name of the commercial service François ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] line=* tag on railway lines
On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 3:56 PM Jack Armstrong wrote: > I have wondered for a long time... > > If the rail is tagged name=* but the railway also has a relation with the > same name, isn't this naming something twice? it seems to me the relation is > sufficient and the rail itself should not be named? There are cases where there is a whole hierarchy going on, which may involve superrelations and the like: Metropolitan Transportation Authority Metro-North Railroad Harlem Division Wassaic Branch So it may be the case that there's a part with one name while the whole has another. The rail-mappers seem to prefer assigning 'line' and 'branch' values since that hierarchy is common in their world. But hierarchical names are sometimes unavoidable. Thinking of my local bicycle infrastructure, there's a small segment of (highway=residential) Island View Road that's also routing around an interruption in a rail-trail (the railbed was destroyed by construction of a freeway). It's simultaneously 'Island View Road', the 'Mohawk & Hudson Bike-Hike Trail (lcn)', the 'Erie Canalway (rcn)' and the 'Empire State Trail (also rcn)' depending on where you are in the hierarchy. It's signed for all of them. -- 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] line=* tag on railway lines
I have wondered for a long time...If the rail is tagged name=* but the railway also has a relation with the same name, isn't this naming something twice? it seems to me the relation is sufficient and the rail itself should not be named?-Original Message- From: Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging Sent: May 28, 2020 1:13 PM To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" Cc: Mateusz Konieczny Subject: Re: [Tagging] line=* tag on railway lines May 28, 2020, 20:36 by fl.infosrese...@gmail.com:Hi all,On the line=* wiki page, it is mentioned this key is used to give railway lines names in combination with branch=*https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:lineShouldn't name=* be used instead?Yes, name tag is for name of the object. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] line=* tag on railway lines
May 28, 2020, 20:36 by fl.infosrese...@gmail.com: > Hi all, > > On the line=* wiki page, it is mentioned this key is used to give railway > lines names in combination with branch=* > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:line > > Shouldn't name=* be used instead? > Yes, name tag is for name of the object. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] line=* tag on railway lines
Hi all, On the line=* wiki page, it is mentioned this key is used to give railway lines names in combination with branch=* https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:line Shouldn't name=* be used instead? I don't know the use case precisely, may someone more familiar with railway lines could give us more information please? Should we encourage this usage or discourage it? Didn't found anything on https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:railway All the best, thank you François ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
