[Tagging] manège - area for horse training

[Dave F.]

Hi

http://www.martincollins.com/Portals/0/Images/menage-surfaces/menage-surface-martin-collins.jpg

I'm trying to find an appropriate tag for these areas used to 
exercise/train horses. Manège seemed correct, but at only 141 
occurrences, I'm wondering if there's a more common name in use. Any ideas?


Cheers
Dave F.

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Re: [Tagging] manège - area for horse training

[Marc Gemis]

There are 2 pages related to horse riding actiities [1] in English, [2] in
German. They do not have the same content. The German page mentions
amenity=stables+sport=equestrian (for sport competions) as well as
building=riding_school (for learning how to ride)

regards

m


[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Riding
[2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Reiten

On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 5:49 PM, Dave F.  wrote:

> Hi
>
>
> http://www.martincollins.com/Portals/0/Images/menage-surfaces/menage-surface-martin-collins.jpg
>
> I'm trying to find an appropriate tag for these areas used to
> exercise/train horses. Manège seemed correct, but at only 141 occurrences,
> I'm wondering if there's a more common name in use. Any ideas?
>
> Cheers
> Dave F.
>
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Re: [Tagging] manège - area for horse training

[Philip Barnes]

On Thu, 2015-10-15 at 16:49 +0100, Dave F. wrote:
> Hi
> 
> http://www.martincollins.com/Portals/0/Images/menage-surfaces/menage-surface-martin-collins.jpg
> 
> I'm trying to find an appropriate tag for these areas used to 
> exercise/train horses. Manège seemed correct, but at only 141 
> occurrences, I'm wondering if there's a more common name in use. Any ideas?

I think its a menage, thats what usually appears on planning
applications for such things.

Phil (trigpoint)



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Re: [Tagging] manège - area for horse training

[Marc Zoutendijk]

> Op 15 okt. 2015, om 19:43 heeft Philip Barnes  het 
> volgende geschreven:
> 
> On Thu, 2015-10-15 at 16:49 +0100, Dave F. wrote:
>> Hi
>> 
>> http://www.martincollins.com/Portals/0/Images/menage-surfaces/menage-surface-martin-collins.jpg
>> 
>> I'm trying to find an appropriate tag for these areas used to 
>> exercise/train horses. Manège seemed correct, but at only 141 
>> occurrences, I'm wondering if there's a more common name in use. Any ideas?
> 
> I think its a menage, thats what usually appears on planning
> applications for such things.
> 

Check this:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/menage 


I don’t think that that’s what you mean.

In French Manège is the word used to descibe the collection of training 
facilities for horses, like stables and arenas.

Also check this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dressage 

I think that what is shown on the photo in the original post is correctly 
called Arena.

Marc.




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Re: [Tagging] manège - area for horse training

[Volker Schmidt]

The French wiki seems to be very clear:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Riding

What the picture shows is a Carrière, which is to be tagged as
leisure=pitch
sport=equestrian
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Re: [Tagging] manège - area for horse training

[Philip Barnes]

On Thu, 2015-10-15 at 21:14 +0200, Marc Zoutendijk wrote:
> 
> > Op 15 okt. 2015, om 19:43 heeft Philip Barnes  > > het volgende geschreven:
> > 
> > On Thu, 2015-10-15 at 16:49 +0100, Dave F. wrote:
> > > Hi
> > > 
> > > http://www.martincollins.com/Portals/0/Images/menage-surfaces/men
> > > age-surface-martin-collins.jpg
> > > 
> > > I'm trying to find an appropriate tag for these areas used to 
> > > exercise/train horses. Manège seemed correct, but at only 141 
> > > occurrences, I'm wondering if there's a more common name in use.
> > > Any ideas?
> > I think its a menage, thats what usually appears on planning
> > applications for such things.
> > 
> Check this:
> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/menage
> 
> I don’t think that that’s what you mean.

That is the French meaning. English is different, although the French
is widely understood once the phrase is completed.
> 
> In French Manège is the word used to descibe the collection of
> training facilities for horses, like stables and arenas.
> 
> Also check this:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dressage
> 
> I think that what is shown on the photo in the original post is
> correctly called Arena.
> 
An example of usage of menage in a planning application, https://pa.shr
opshire.gov.uk/online
-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=NKAIN9TDIQ
900


Phil (trigpoint)


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Re: [Tagging] manège - area for horse training

[Warin]

On 16/10/2015 7:08 AM, Volker Schmidt wrote:

The French wiki seems to be very clear:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Riding

What the picture shows is a Carrière, which is to be tagged as
leisure=pitch
sport=equestrian




And someone will now say that it is not a sport... just like for 
cricket_nets ...


Anyone for another key sport_practice?

Would have similar values to the key sport but used for 'pitches' that 
are only used for practice/training as they cannot be used for the full 
'sport'.



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Re: [Tagging] manège - area for horse training

[Colin Smale]

 

Seems to be a hot item in the equestrian world: 

https://www.google.com/search?q=menage+manege&oq=menage+manege&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60.6298j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=0&ie=UTF-8


Management summary is that manège is correct (it is the proper french
word), menage really means something different (household or family
group), but Brits have been using the wrong word so much that it has
almost become right. 

Certainly manège (or even the unaccented form manege) would be well
recognised in many countries (including the UK, whatever your
preference), whereas menage would probably be recognised (with the
intended meaning) in the UK and would raise eyebrows everywhere else. 

--colin 

On 2015-10-15 22:28, Philip Barnes wrote: 

> On Thu, 2015-10-15 at 21:14 +0200, Marc Zoutendijk wrote: 
> Op 15 okt. 2015, om 19:43 heeft Philip Barnes  volgende geschreven: 
> On Thu, 2015-10-15 at 16:49 +0100, Dave F. wrote: Hi
> 
> http://www.martincollins.com/Portals/0/Images/menage-surfaces/men
> age-surface-martin-collins.jpg
> 
> I'm trying to find an appropriate tag for these areas used to 
> exercise/train horses. Manège seemed correct, but at only 141 
> occurrences, I'm wondering if there's a more common name in use.
> Any ideas? I think its a menage, thats what usually appears on planning
> applications for such things.
 Check this:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/menage

I don't think that that's what you mean. 
That is the French meaning. English is different, although the French
is widely understood once the phrase is completed. 

> In French Manège is the word used to descibe the collection of
> training facilities for horses, like stables and arenas.
> 
> Also check this:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dressage
> 
> I think that what is shown on the photo in the original post is
> correctly called Arena.
 An example of usage of menage in a planning application, https://pa.shr
opshire.gov.uk/online
-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=NKAIN9TDIQ
900

Phil (trigpoint)

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Re: [Tagging] manège - area for horse training

[Georg Feddern]

Am 15.10.2015 um 22:57 schrieb Warin:

On 16/10/2015 7:08 AM, Volker Schmidt wrote:


What the picture shows is a Carrière, which is to be tagged as
leisure=pitch
sport=equestrian




+1

And someone will now say that it is not a sport... just like for 
cricket_nets ...


Anyone for another key sport_practice?

Would have similar values to the key sport but used for 'pitches' that 
are only used for practice/training as they cannot be used for the 
full 'sport'.


-1

Ever worked/trained with horses?

What is the key definition for sport?
Concentration? Reactions? Best moves? Power?

Is a carrière
- sport_practice when there is just training
but
- sport when there is a competion?

Georg
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Re: [Tagging] manège - area for horse training

[John Willis]

Javbw

> On Oct 16, 2015, at 3:31 PM, Georg Feddern  wrote:
> 
> 
> Ever worked/trained with horses?
> 
> What is the key definition for sport?
> Concentration? Reactions? Best moves? Power?
> 
> Is a carrière
> - sport_practice when there is just training
> but
> - sport when there is a competion?

We were talking not about what sport=* would be, but how to tag a practice 
pitch /facility that does not replicate the entire sport's regimen:

Batting cages, driving ranges, pitching cages, and other facilities that help a 
person (or animal) prepare for the true sport. Currently each item is defined 
in each sport's subkey - not with a generic leisure=* or pitch=* subkey on 
which sport=* is appended to. 


With a sport like baseball, it is easy to separate batting cages or pitching 
mounds from a true baseball diamond - but most horse breeding facilities have a 
small oval for practicing running the horse. It doesn't feel right to say it is 
a track - as no race, even a private race - will take place there. It is for 
the horse to practice turing left over and over, to learn to be comfortable 
with the rail. I assume dressage is the same. 

I put pitch+equestrian on the oval. 

Similar facilities that replicate certain aspects of a sport without the aspect 
of competition might want to be tagged as such, so not only is the facility 
properly tagged, but not confused with or rendered as a proper facility for the 
sport (a racetrack for horses, a country club for golf, etc). 

Tennis serving machines sit next to tennis courts in special cages, none will 
used for a game - just practice.  

Javbw. 


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