Re: [Tagging] [Spam?] JOSM wiki Potlatch2 In consistences fishmonger vs. seafood
On Mon, 2011-05-16 at 00:02 -0700, Sam Vekemans wrote: > The Wiki has > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dseafood > "A shop selling fish/seafood." > ... > Alternative names during the discussion on the tagging mailinglist > were: > > * shop=fish - To be easily confused with pet shops selling pet > fish or fast_food shops selling prepared fish The wiki covers these issues under 'similar tags', suggesting the use of restaurant/fast-food and shop=pet for the above examples. > * shop=fishmonger - Being understood by communities where the > English is close to british English, north american and > non-native speakers had problems understanding or found it to > sound outdated. The 3rd paragraph states "This type of shop is known as a 'fishmonger' ... But the shop=seafood tag will encompass regional variations. > "Seafood" seems to be the term that is best understood (by the users > of the mailing list) to be a shop according to the definition of this > proposal. I agree. I think seafood is a more generic proposal than 'fishmonger' which may not be understood as widely. > and also, 'fishmonger' does not have it's own wiki page. > Therefore, my recommendation is that Potlatch2 be changed to show > 'seafood' instead. If youre going to go that far, why not propose changing shop=fishmonger tagged items to shop=seafood also? I think having an almost equal number of both (342 seafood, 233 fishmonger) makes it harder for people looking for an existing tagging scheme to follow. If we define the tagging scheme more closely, I think we should also bring in-to-line those elements which used the deprecated tag. David > Twitter: @Acrosscanada > Blog: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans > Skype: 'Sam Vekemans' > > Member, CommonMap Inc. http://commonmap.org/ > IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #CommonMap > Also find us on Facebook, Twitter and LinkedIn > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [Spam?] JOSM wiki Potlatch2 In consistences fishmonger vs. seafood
2011/5/16 David Murn : > I agree. I think seafood is a more generic proposal than 'fishmonger' > which may not be understood as widely. I recall this vivid discussion where in the end it was agreed on shop=seafood (with myself not beeing extremely happy about it, because I'd personally consider shop=seafood inappropriate for a shop e.g. selling the kind of trouts that live only in freshwater). shop=fishmonger is the standard term every German-English dictionary returns for the German word "Fischhändler". No mention at all of "seafood" e.g. in LEO: http://dict.leo.org/ende?lp=ende&lang=de&searchLoc=0&cmpType=relaxed§Hdr=on&spellToler=&search=fischh%C3%A4ndler To sum this up: IMHO fishmonger is more generic (and I guess more BE) than seafood. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [Spam?] JOSM wiki Potlatch2 In consistences fishmonger vs. seafood
On Mon, 2011-05-16 at 18:10 +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2011/5/16 David Murn : > > I agree. I think seafood is a more generic proposal than 'fishmonger' > > which may not be understood as widely. > > shop=fishmonger is the standard term every German-English dictionary > returns for the German word "Fischhändler". No mention at all of > "seafood" e.g. in LEO: The word fishmonger can be used to describe the individual selling the fish, but also the type of shop. The word barber for example, would be called a barber, but you wouldnt just label it 'shop=haircut'. > To sum this up: IMHO fishmonger is more generic (and I guess more BE) > than seafood. I think fishmonger is the shop/retailer, seafood is the product. David ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [Spam?] JOSM wiki Potlatch2 In consistences fishmonger vs. seafood
2011/5/17 David Murn : > I think fishmonger is the shop/retailer, seafood is the product. would you use seafood for freshwater fish? And if yes, also if they sell only freshwater fish? cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [Spam?] JOSM wiki Potlatch2 In consistences fishmonger vs. seafood
On 5/16/11 7:33 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/5/17 David Murn: I think fishmonger is the shop/retailer, seafood is the product. would you use seafood for freshwater fish? And if yes, also if they sell only freshwater fish? in the US, i think you would. i see your semantic point, but i also think that actual usage doesn't reflect this. richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [Spam?] JOSM wiki Potlatch2 In consistences fishmonger vs. seafood
On Tue, 2011-05-17 at 01:33 +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2011/5/17 David Murn : > > I think fishmonger is the shop/retailer, seafood is the product. > > would you use seafood for freshwater fish? And if yes, also if they > sell only freshwater fish? I think its just a generally accepted meaning, for food that comes out of the water, whether that be fish/shell/plant or whether it comes from salt/fresh water (or even whether the animal can live in both). David ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
