Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

[Warin]

On 15-Feb-17 10:04 AM, Viking wrote:

I've found this proposal [1] landuse=animal_keeping. It has already 1590 
recurrences.
Do you think it is applicable?
It would be:

landuse=animal_keeping
animal_keeping=cattle
animal_keeping:type=feedlot

[1] 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landuse%3Danimal_keeping

Cheers
Alberto


No. I see cattle raising as places that are farms.

landuse=farmland is far more popular and includes animals.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dfarmland



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Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

[Viking]

I've found this proposal [1] landuse=animal_keeping. It has already 1590 
recurrences.
Do you think it is applicable?
It would be:

landuse=animal_keeping
animal_keeping=cattle
animal_keeping:type=feedlot

[1] 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landuse%3Danimal_keeping

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Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

[John F. Eldredge]

The beef in turn may be used to produce other food products. Since what 
leaves the feed lot is the living animal, which isn't rendered into beef 
until it reaches the slaughterhouse, I think produce=cattle or 
farmland=feedlot are the best solutions.


On 02/08/2017 05:48 PM, Dave Swarthout wrote:
Along with landuse=farmland and farmland=feedlot, how about 
produce=beef? That sidesteps the issue of steer vs bull, etc.


On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 5:14 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer 
> wrote:




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> On 8 Feb 2017, at 22:54, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> landuse=farmland
>
> farmland=feedlot


+1,
After having researched a bit about this I agree that this appears
to be appropriate tagging


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Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

[Viking]

I've read [1], [2] and [3], and for me produce=cattle is ok.
Anyway, I've found also this wiki page [4] that proposes farming_system=feedlot.
But there are only 9 recurrences [5] of it, and I think that farmland=feedlot 
is better.

So at the end:

landuse=farmland
farmland=feedlot
produce=cattle

If you agree, I think that we should write a new wiki page about feedlot and 
about general uses of farmland=* (that is already in use [6], although 80% of 
recurrences are useless farmland=field).
And then remove references to feedlot in [4].
Who wants to do it?

Alberto


[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:produce
[2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:product
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cattle
[4] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:farming_system
[5] http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/farming_system#values
[6] http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/farmland#values




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Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

[Warin]

On 09-Feb-17 11:35 AM, Dave Swarthout wrote:
The end product is beef or meat. Cattle are just the intermediate step 
to arriving at something sellable LOL


I have no major objection to product=cattle either for that matter.

:) produce not product.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:produce
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:product

product=meat has some 68 uses... very early days for these keys/values.

The tag produce or product is meant to show what comes out of the 
feature .. not necessarily the end product.

e.g. hops comes out of a farm ... a brewery takes that in to make beer.
So the farm would be tagged produce=hop (as it is natural, little modified)
and the brewery would be tagged product=beer (manufactured, modified 
from the inputs).




On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 7:24 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com 
> wrote:


On 09-Feb-17 10:48 AM, Dave Swarthout wrote:

Along with landuse=farmland and farmland=feedlot, how about
produce=beef? That sidesteps the issue of steer vs bull, etc.


Beef .. could be taken as the end product ...after slaughtering?

My dictionary says cattle=ruminants of the bovine kind, of any
age, sex, or breed. Does that cover it?



On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 5:14 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer
> wrote:



sent from a phone

> On 8 Feb 2017, at 22:54, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> landuse=farmland
>
> farmland=feedlot


+1,
After having researched a bit about this I agree that this
appears to be appropriate tagging


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Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

[Dave Swarthout]

The end product is beef or meat. Cattle are just the intermediate step to
arriving at something sellable LOL

I have no major objection to product=cattle either for that matter.

On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 7:24 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 09-Feb-17 10:48 AM, Dave Swarthout wrote:
>
> Along with landuse=farmland and farmland=feedlot, how about produce=beef?
> That sidesteps the issue of steer vs bull, etc.
>
>
> Beef .. could be taken as the end product ...after slaughtering?
>
> My dictionary says cattle=ruminants of the bovine kind, of any age, sex,
> or breed. Does that cover it?
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 5:14 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer <
> dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> sent from a phone
>>
>> > On 8 Feb 2017, at 22:54, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > landuse=farmland
>> >
>> > farmland=feedlot
>>
>>
>> +1,
>> After having researched a bit about this I agree that this appears to be
>> appropriate tagging
>>
>>
>> cheers,
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Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

[Mike Thompson]

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 5:24 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 09-Feb-17 10:48 AM, Dave Swarthout wrote:
>
> Along with landuse=farmland and farmland=feedlot, how about produce=beef?
> That sidesteps the issue of steer vs bull, etc.
>
>
> Beef .. could be taken as the end product ...after slaughtering?
>
Correct, saying the "produce" of a feedlot is "beef" is like saying the
"produce" of a wheat field is "bread"


>
> My dictionary says cattle=ruminants of the bovine kind, of any age, sex,
> or breed. Does that cover it?
>
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Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

[Warin]

On 09-Feb-17 10:48 AM, Dave Swarthout wrote:
Along with landuse=farmland and farmland=feedlot, how about 
produce=beef? That sidesteps the issue of steer vs bull, etc.


Beef .. could be taken as the end product ...after slaughtering?

My dictionary says cattle=ruminants of the bovine kind, of any age, sex, 
or breed. Does that cover it?




On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 5:14 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer 
> wrote:




sent from a phone

> On 8 Feb 2017, at 22:54, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> landuse=farmland
>
> farmland=feedlot


+1,
After having researched a bit about this I agree that this appears
to be appropriate tagging


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Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

[Mike Thompson]

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 4:48 PM, Dave Swarthout 
wrote:

> Along with landuse=farmland and farmland=feedlot, how about produce=beef?
> That sidesteps the issue of steer vs bull, etc.
>
Feedlots are just one part of the beef (the meat from the cattle)
production process, and not the last step[1].  Therefor I feel it is
misleading to say that the produce of a feedlot is "beef." It would be more
appropriate to say produce=cattle.

[1]
http://www.explorebeef.org/cmdocs/explorebeef/factsheet_modernbeefproduction.pdf
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Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

[Tod Fitch]

That is a neat [1] idea.

[1] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/neat#English

> On Feb 8, 2017, at 3:48 PM, Dave Swarthout  wrote:
> 
> Along with landuse=farmland and farmland=feedlot, how about produce=beef? 
> That sidesteps the issue of steer vs bull, etc. 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 5:14 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer  > wrote:
> 
> 
> sent from a phone
> 
> > On 8 Feb 2017, at 22:54, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com 
> > > wrote:
> >
> > landuse=farmland
> >
> > farmland=feedlot
> 
> 
> +1,
> After having researched a bit about this I agree that this appears to be 
> appropriate tagging

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Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

[Dave Swarthout]

Along with landuse=farmland and farmland=feedlot, how about produce=beef?
That sidesteps the issue of steer vs bull, etc.

On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 5:14 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer 
wrote:

>
>
> sent from a phone
>
> > On 8 Feb 2017, at 22:54, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > landuse=farmland
> >
> > farmland=feedlot
>
>
> +1,
> After having researched a bit about this I agree that this appears to be
> appropriate tagging
>
>
> cheers,
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Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 8 Feb 2017, at 22:54, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> landuse=farmland
> 
> farmland=feedlot


+1,
After having researched a bit about this I agree that this appears to be 
appropriate tagging 


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Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

[Mike Thompson]

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 2:54 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 09-Feb-17 07:39 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>
> landuse=farmland
>
> farmland=feedlot
>
> produce=cattle (or whatever)

+ 1

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Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

[Warin]

On 09-Feb-17 07:39 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:


sent from a phone


On 8 Feb 2017, at 19:51, Tod Fitch  wrote:

I have a hard time accepting "amenity", a term acceptable for park benches, 
restaurants, etc., being applied to a feedlot.



+1



Of the suggestions made so far,

landuse=industrial
industrial=feedlot


-1, I'd prefer having a "feature tag" for these and not just a property 
(landuse)


I think it is a land use, a farm activity with an output of produce,

not as a factory (industrial) with an output of a product.

so

landuse=farmland

farmland=feedlot

produce=cattle (or whatever)



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Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 8 Feb 2017, at 19:51, Tod Fitch  wrote:
> 
> I have a hard time accepting "amenity", a term acceptable for park benches, 
> restaurants, etc., being applied to a feedlot.
> 


+1


> Of the suggestions made so far, 
> 
> landuse=industrial
> industrial=feedlot


-1, I'd prefer having a "feature tag" for these and not just a property 
(landuse)

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Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

[Tod Fitch]

I have a hard time accepting "amenity", a term acceptable for park benches, 
restaurants, etc., being applied to a feedlot.

Of the suggestions made so far, 

landuse=industrial
industrial=feedlot (or some other equivalent)

makes more sense to me.




On February 8, 2017 10:42:12 AM PST, Viking  wrote:
>Ok, do you prefer a completely new tag or to add subtags to
>animal_breeding?
>In case of a new tag, it could be:
>
>amenity=animal_fattening
>animal_fattening=bovine
>
>or what else instead of amenity?
>In any case we should write a wiki page about this.

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Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

[Viking]

Ok, do you prefer a completely new tag or to add subtags to animal_breeding?
In case of a new tag, it could be:

amenity=animal_fattening
animal_fattening=bovine

or what else instead of amenity?
In any case we should write a wiki page about this.
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Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

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> On 7 Feb 2017, at 22:20, Viking  wrote:
> 
> Animal_breeding was discussed and voted here [1] 
> Martin, even you approved that proposal, you are the second voter! Didn't you 
> remember? :-)


I didn't remember, sorry.
actually, the proposal is ok, it just is a different feature, this is not 
applicable to the beef concentrated feeding operation, it's about breeding, not 
about mast.


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Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

[Mike Thompson]

On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Viking  wrote:

> @Mike
> 1) Ok, cow is the female only: then bovine would be better? Cattle in
> English is a term used for bovines only or for other species too?
>
"cattle" is  the correct term[1].  I was mistaken in my original email,
"bovine" is a broader term that includes other animals as well as domestic
cattle{3].  In answer to your question, "cattle" refers only to domestic
cattle, the term is not used to for other animals.


> 2) The intention of animal_breeding page was to descibe facilities were
> animals grow up, there wasn't a distinction between reproduction and
> fattening. Maybe we can specify it better if you want.
>
According to the wiki: "A facility where animals are bred, usually to sell
them. This tag is mainly intended for pet breedings, but it can be used for
any kind of animals. You should use this tag if breeding is the primary
activity of the facility, otherwise see Breeding as secondary activity
."[2]
 There is nothing in that opening line, nor in the rest of the wiki page,
about using the tag for places where animals grow up.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cattle
[2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Danimal_breeding
[3] http://www.dictionary.com/browse/bovine
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Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

[Mike Thompson]

On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 2:20 PM, Viking  wrote:

> Animal_breeding was discussed and voted here [1]
>
Nevertheless, in my opinion, it is not appropriate in this application
because the purpose of a feedlot is not to breed the animals, but rather to
fatten them for market.
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Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

[Viking]

Animal_breeding was discussed and voted here [1] 
Martin, even you approved that proposal, you are the second voter! Didn't you 
remember? :-)
It was also discussed on tagging mailing list here [2]

189 tags are not few for a type of structure that almost nobody maps.
Man_made=cowshed doesn't exist at all.
Anyway I would like to mantain consistency with tags already discussed and 
approved.

[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Animal_breeding
[2] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2013-June/

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Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

[Mike Thompson]

On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 7:41 AM, Viking  wrote:

> Hi.
> To be consistent with the approved and already used tags
> amenity=animal_breeding [1], amenity=animal_shelter [2] and
> amenity=animal_boarding [3], what do you think about:
>
> amenity=animal_breeding
> animal_breeding:feedlot=cow OR animal_breeding:concentrated_
> animal_feeding_operation=cow
>
1) A "cow" is a adult female of the bovine species.  Many of the animals in
 feed lot will be steers (castrated males) (the balance will typically be
heifers (a young female before she has had a calf).  A better term would be
"cattle."
2) "breeding" typically does not take place in a feedlot.  The purpose of
the feedlot is to fatten the cattle for slaughter.
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Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

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> On 7 Feb 2017, at 15:41, Viking  wrote:
> 
> To be consistent with the approved and already used tags 
> amenity=animal_breeding [1], amenity=animal_shelter [2] and 
> amenity=animal_boarding [3], what do you think about:
> 
> amenity=animal_breeding
> animal_breeding:feedlot=cow OR 
> animal_breeding:concentrated_animal_feeding_operation=cow


can you point me to where amenity =animal_breeding was "approved"? taginfo 
shows almost no use and amenity doesn't seem a good key for it (unless it's 
done as a service?).

I'd rather put it into man_made or  as a property subtag (e.g. 
man_made=cowshed, concentrated_operation=yes) or as a subtype of cowshed (e.g. 
tie-stalls, freestall, etc.), the same for pigs, goose, turkey, hens, sheep, 
ostrichs, goats, etc.

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Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

[Viking]

Hi.
To be consistent with the approved and already used tags 
amenity=animal_breeding [1], amenity=animal_shelter [2] and 
amenity=animal_boarding [3], what do you think about:

amenity=animal_breeding
animal_breeding:feedlot=cow OR 
animal_breeding:concentrated_animal_feeding_operation=cow

It also specifies the species of animal bred.
Moreover it could be compared and contrasted to a new tag also for organic 
farms:

amenity=animal_breeding
animal_breeding:organic=cow


[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Danimal_breeding
[2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Danimal_shelter
[3] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Danimal_boarding

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Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

[Warin]

Farmyards is wrong - this is for the support areas rather than the 
actual farm ... while the wiki mentions 'feed bunkers' that is for the 
storage of feed rather than the feeding.


I see it as a farm .. just like cattle being on a pasture is a farm, the 
method of feeding has changed but the use has not.


So
landuse=farmland
produce=cattle (as they are live, thus not the product meat).

Additional tags? farmland=feedlot ? I would stay away from any inclusion 
of 'type' in any tag.



On 07-Feb-17 11:17 AM, Kevin Kenny wrote:
It's rare (only 9 uses), but the Wiki also shows 
farming_system=feedlot as a possibilty,


On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Dave Swarthout 
> wrote:


I would almost prefer landuse=industrial. To call such places
farmyards is IMO a bit too generous. They are industrial in a
certain sense, akin to factories that produce meat. I started out
writing this half jokingly but the longer I think about it the
more logical it seems.

Cheers,
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On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 5:32 AM, Volker Schmidt > wrote:

@Martin: there are two relevant Wikipedia articles:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feedlot

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentrated_animal_feeding_operation


@Tod
crop=feed_lot does not seem right.

Picking up Martin's proposal, what about:
landuse=farmyard
AND
farmyard=feedlot OR
farmyard=concentrated_animal_feeding_operation OR farmyard=CAFO

Another aproach could be
landuse=farmland
farm:type=feedlot






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Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

[Kevin Kenny]

It's rare (only 9 uses), but the Wiki also shows farming_system=feedlot as
a possibilty,

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Dave Swarthout 
wrote:

> I would almost prefer landuse=industrial. To call such places farmyards is
> IMO a bit too generous. They are industrial in a certain sense, akin to
> factories that produce meat. I started out writing this half jokingly but
> the longer I think about it the more logical it seems.
>
> Cheers,
> Dave
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> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 5:32 AM, Volker Schmidt  wrote:
>
>> @Martin: there are two relevant Wikipedia articles:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feedlot
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentrated_animal_feeding_operation
>>
>> @Tod
>> crop=feed_lot does not seem right.
>>
>> Picking up Martin's proposal, what about:
>> landuse=farmyard
>> AND
>> farmyard=feedlot OR farmyard=concentrated_animal_feeding_operation OR
>> farmyard=CAFO
>>
>> Another aproach could be
>> landuse=farmland
>> farm:type=feedlot
>>
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Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

[Tod Fitch]

> On Feb 6, 2017, at 2:32 PM, Volker Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> @Martin: there are two relevant Wikipedia articles:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feedlot 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentrated_animal_feeding_operation 
> 
> 
> @Tod
> crop=feed_lot does not seem right. 
> 

I agree. That is simply a place I am familiar with have driven past it numerous 
times.

> Picking up Martin's proposal, what about:
> landuse=farmyard
> AND
> farmyard=feedlot OR farmyard=concentrated_animal_feeding_operation OR 
> farmyard=CAFO
> 
> Another aproach could be
> landuse=farmland
> farm:type=feedlot 
> 

I think I prefer:

landuse=farmyard
farmyard=feedlot

as it seems more consistent. In my mind, the second key of “farm:type=feedlot” 
mixes keys and values oddly. If the primary key were “landuse=farm” then it 
would make more sense to me for a “farm:type” subkey. 

Looks like “landuse=farmyard” is more used than “landuse=farm” and the farmyard 
wiki page [1] says “landuse=farm” is not recommended.

[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dfarmyard

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Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

[Dave Swarthout]

I would almost prefer landuse=industrial. To call such places farmyards is
IMO a bit too generous. They are industrial in a certain sense, akin to
factories that produce meat. I started out writing this half jokingly but
the longer I think about it the more logical it seems.

Cheers,
Dave

On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 5:32 AM, Volker Schmidt  wrote:

> @Martin: there are two relevant Wikipedia articles:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feedlot
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentrated_animal_feeding_operation
>
> @Tod
> crop=feed_lot does not seem right.
>
> Picking up Martin's proposal, what about:
> landuse=farmyard
> AND
> farmyard=feedlot OR farmyard=concentrated_animal_feeding_operation OR
> farmyard=CAFO
>
> Another aproach could be
> landuse=farmland
> farm:type=feedlot
>
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Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

[Volker Schmidt]

@Martin: there are two relevant Wikipedia articles:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feedlot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentrated_animal_feeding_operation

@Tod
crop=feed_lot does not seem right.

Picking up Martin's proposal, what about:
landuse=farmyard
AND
farmyard=feedlot OR farmyard=concentrated_animal_feeding_operation OR
farmyard=CAFO

Another aproach could be
landuse=farmland
farm:type=feedlot




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Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

[Tod Fitch]

> On Feb 6, 2017, at 4:47 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 2017-02-06 12:32 GMT+01:00 Volker Schmidt  >:
> Hadn't done my homework:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentrated_animal_feeding_operation 
> 
> Can't find any tagged examples though. Suggestions?
> 
> 
> 
> looks like a typical landuse=farmyard (non-bio / organic / in other words: 
> industrial livestock farming), or can you explain better what the 
> peculiarities are?
> 

There is one at https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/61223725

Not sure I’d have picked crop=feed_lot but it looks like it has been tagged 
that way since 2010 and there has been lots of discussion and refinement of 
tagging since then.



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Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2017-02-06 12:32 GMT+01:00 Volker Schmidt :

> Hadn't done my homework:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentrated_animal_feeding_operation
> Can't find any tagged examples though. Suggestions?




looks like a typical landuse=farmyard (non-bio / organic / in other words:
industrial livestock farming), or can you explain better what the
peculiarities are?

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Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

[Volker Schmidt]

Hadn't done my homework:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentrated_animal_feeding_operation
Can't find any tagged examples though. Suggestions?

On 6 February 2017 at 12:02, Dave Swarthout  wrote:

> We Americans call them feedlots although there may be other terms. These
> are arguably awful places but the stink is intense, on that we can all
> agree.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 5:56 PM, Volker Schmidt  wrote:
>
>> In Texas I have encountered several large beef fattening stations (I
>> don't know the correct term) where beef are fed in enclosures to get them
>> ready for slaughter.
>> One of these can be seen here:
>> https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=35.20605738427332=-10
>> 2.17724699607997=15.61359290919399=map=HSW8p_
>> C53KeSiIu9agx-Wg=false=mapbox_satellite
>> If you look up the same location on Streetview you get a better idea what
>> it looks like.
>> It also is a smelly place: odour=very_intensive_cattle_stink (joking)
>>
>> I would like to put this correctly on the map, but don't have a clue how.
>>
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Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

[Dave Swarthout]

We Americans call them feedlots although there may be other terms. These
are arguably awful places but the stink is intense, on that we can all
agree.



On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 5:56 PM, Volker Schmidt  wrote:

> In Texas I have encountered several large beef fattening stations (I don't
> know the correct term) where beef are fed in enclosures to get them ready
> for slaughter.
> One of these can be seen here:
> https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=35.20605738427332=-
> 102.17724699607997=15.61359290919399=map=
> HSW8p_C53KeSiIu9agx-Wg=false=mapbox_satellite
> If you look up the same location on Streetview you get a better idea what
> it looks like.
> It also is a smelly place: odour=very_intensive_cattle_stink (joking)
>
> I would like to put this correctly on the map, but don't have a clue how.
>
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Re: [Tagging] Beef fattening stations

[Volker Schmidt]

In Texas I have encountered several large beef fattening stations (I don't
know the correct term) where beef are fed in enclosures to get them ready
for slaughter.
One of these can be seen here:
https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=35.20605738427332=-102.17724699607997=15.61359290919399=map=HSW8p_C53KeSiIu9agx-Wg=false=mapbox_satellite
If you look up the same location on Streetview you get a better idea what
it looks like.
It also is a smelly place: odour=very_intensive_cattle_stink (joking)

I would like to put this correctly on the map, but don't have a clue how.

>
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