Re: [Tagging] Combined waste/recycling bins
Just a reminder, that a bus stop which has a waste_basket, shelter and bench should be mapped as a single node with the respective tags added (bin, shelter, bench=*): https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dbus_stop On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 8:12 PM SelfishSeahorse wrote: > > On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 19:46, Paul Allen wrote: > > > > If I do it as one node or a single area, that is about the best that can be > > done with existing > > tags. The problem is it will get the icon for a waste bin, with no > > indication it's also for > > recycling. Fine if you use the query tool, but not many people would do > > that. > > That's true. > > > If I tag it as adjacent nodes or areas it's unlikely (with current > > tile-based rendering) to display > > both icons, and it's not possible to guarantee which one will show up. > > It would be nice if openstreetmap-carto would offer more zoom (at > least zoom level 20). There are also bus stops hidden by shelters or > shops hidden by other shops ... > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Combined waste/recycling bins
On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 7:12 PM SelfishSeahorse wrote: It would be nice if openstreetmap-carto would offer more zoom (at > least zoom level 20). There are also bus stops hidden by shelters or > shops hidden by other shops ... Not practicable with the current tile-based rendering (unless you'd like to buy some Cray supercomputers for OSM to use as servers). It is supposed to be possible with vector rendering, and perhaps one day that will be deployed by OSM carto. And then all the people who complain that their micro-mapped stuff isn't rendered will be able to complain that their nano-mapped stuff isn't rendered. :) -- Paul Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Combined waste/recycling bins
On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 19:46, Paul Allen wrote: > > If I do it as one node or a single area, that is about the best that can be > done with existing > tags. The problem is it will get the icon for a waste bin, with no > indication it's also for > recycling. Fine if you use the query tool, but not many people would do that. That's true. > If I tag it as adjacent nodes or areas it's unlikely (with current tile-based > rendering) to display > both icons, and it's not possible to guarantee which one will show up. It would be nice if openstreetmap-carto would offer more zoom (at least zoom level 20). There are also bus stops hidden by shelters or shops hidden by other shops ... ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Combined waste/recycling bins
On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 6:30 PM SelfishSeahorse wrote: > What about > > amenity=waste_basket > recycling:cans=yes > recycling:paper=yes > recycling:plastic=yes > If I do it as one node or a single area, that is about the best that can be done with existing tags. The problem is it will get the icon for a waste bin, with no indication it's also for recycling. Fine if you use the query tool, but not many people would do that. If I tag it as adjacent nodes or areas it's unlikely (with current tile-based rendering) to display both icons, and it's not possible to guarantee which one will show up. Many of the large recycling receptacles in my town don't have a waste bin nearby. Most waste bins don't have a small recycling receptacle nearby. I wouldn't assume that one implies the other unless the icon made clear that it did. So the current solutions are not capable of adequately representing what appears to be a growing trend of combined waste/recycling points. -- Paul ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Combined waste/recycling bins
On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 at 16:32, Paul Allen wrote: > > A village a few miles from me (but in a different county) recently got one of > these combined litter/recycling bins: > https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=2241627292737699=1632021387031629&__tn__=C-R > > How to tag? What about amenity=waste_basket recycling:cans=yes recycling:paper=yes recycling:plastic=yes ? Regards Markus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Combined waste/recycling bins
Not sure, I'm only browsing taginfo and found this to be the most common tagging. On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 12:50 AM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > > sent from a phone > > > On 9. Oct 2018, at 21:19, bkil wrote: > > > > amenity=waste_basket > > waste=dog_excrement > > vending=excrement_bags > > > > I've also seen waste_basket:excrement_bags=yes and fee=no, but I don't > > see much value in these at this point in time. > > > > while vending=* with fee=no is some kind of open contradiction, without the > fee tag the contradiction is implicitly still there in many instances. > > Shouldn’t that better be „dispensing“ rather than vending? > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Combined waste/recycling bins
sent from a phone > On 9. Oct 2018, at 21:19, bkil wrote: > > amenity=waste_basket > waste=dog_excrement > vending=excrement_bags > > I've also seen waste_basket:excrement_bags=yes and fee=no, but I don't > see much value in these at this point in time. while vending=* with fee=no is some kind of open contradiction, without the fee tag the contradiction is implicitly still there in many instances. Shouldn’t that better be „dispensing“ rather than vending? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Combined waste/recycling bins
You can tag the doggy bins like so: amenity=waste_basket waste=dog_excrement vending=excrement_bags I've also seen waste_basket:excrement_bags=yes and fee=no, but I don't see much value in these at this point in time. On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 6:30 PM Paul Allen wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 5:09 PM marc marc wrote: >> >> Le 09. 10. 18 à 16:30, Paul Allen a écrit : >> > How to tag? >> >> amenity=recycling >> recycling:cans=yes >> recycling:paper=yes > > > So far, so good. > >> recycling:PET=yes or recycling:plastic_bottles=yes > > > It's neither of those. The plastic type isn't specified and it's not just > for bottles. It may well > be the case that everything deposited is a PET bottle, but it need not be. > >> recycling:waste=yes > > > Umm, waste doesn't get recycled. That's why it's waste. One half of it is a > mixed-recycling > container and the other half is a container for non-recyclable rubbish. > >> >> > only one of them would be rendered >> >> feel free to find/create/publish a icon that show the different types >> accepted by a container. > > > I think that's overkill. It would be difficult (probably impossible) to > produce a legible icon for each > combination. The best that might be possible is something incorporating the > current waste > receptacle icon with a recycling icon. And I have my doubts about that (it's > certainly beyond my > artistic talents). > > I just thought of something else. People in that same village keep saying > that there aren't enough > doggy poo receptacles. So their county council (but not mine, that I've > seen) provides containers for > specifically that kind of waste and no other. > > If you're a tourist with a dog, you probably want to know about all three > kinds of receptacle. > > -- > Paul > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Combined waste/recycling bins
On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 5:09 PM marc marc wrote: > Le 09. 10. 18 à 16:30, Paul Allen a écrit : > > How to tag? > > amenity=recycling > recycling:cans=yes > recycling:paper=yes > So far, so good. recycling:PET=yes or recycling:plastic_bottles=yes > It's neither of those. The plastic type isn't specified and it's not just for bottles. It may well be the case that everything deposited is a PET bottle, but it need not be. recycling:waste=yes > Umm, waste doesn't get recycled. That's why it's waste. One half of it is a mixed-recycling container and the other half is a container for non-recyclable rubbish. > > only one of them would be rendered > > feel free to find/create/publish a icon that show the different types > accepted by a container. > I think that's overkill. It would be difficult (probably impossible) to produce a legible icon for each combination. The best that might be possible is something incorporating the current waste receptacle icon with a recycling icon. And I have my doubts about that (it's certainly beyond my artistic talents). I just thought of something else. People in that same village keep saying that there aren't enough doggy poo receptacles. So their county council (but not mine, that I've seen) provides containers for specifically that kind of waste and no other. If you're a tourist with a dog, you probably want to know about all three kinds of receptacle. -- Paul ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Combined waste/recycling bins
Le 09. 10. 18 à 16:30, Paul Allen a écrit : > How to tag? amenity=recycling recycling:cans=yes recycling:paper=yes recycling:PET=yes or recycling:plastic_bottles=yes recycling:waste=yes > only one of them would be rendered feel free to find/create/publish a icon that show the different types accepted by a container. it seems complicated to me, however, to consider an icon for each combination, it will probably be necessary at first to limit oneself to this combination if it is the new "norm" for you... and hope that the rendering team accepts this idea ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Combined waste/recycling bins
Re: “convincing the renderer folks to render it“ Not as hard as you think. The folks at OpenStreetMap Carto have just revamped the mapping of recycling and waste bins. If you can get > 1000 uses of a new tag and can think of a good icon, it could get rendered. -Joseph On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 11:32 PM Paul Allen wrote: > A village a few miles from me (but in a different county) recently got one > of > these combined litter/recycling bins: > > https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=2241627292737699=1632021387031629&__tn__=C-R > > How to tag? Each of the two sections is around the size of a large > amenity=waste_basket. The recycling half is a little smaller than the > amenity=recycling + recycling_type=container images in the wiki, and they > are a little smaller than the recycling containers I see around here. > > In any case, if I put both of those tags on a node only one of them would > be rendered. If I use two nodes that are almost touching, only one of > them would be rendered. > > These combined disposal things appear to be catching on, so I'd > expect to see them increasingly replacing existing > amenity=waste_basket. It seems to me we probably need a dedicated > tag that everyone agrees on (no chance of that happening) and then > convincing the renderer folks to render it (the odds of that happening > can only be expressed as multiples of the square root of -1). > > -- > Paul > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
