Re: [Tails-dev] Searching documents in an airgap Tails
Hi, On 01/17/2018 12:03 AM, DrWhax wrote: > Hi, > > I had some discussions with some of the people supporting the > journalists working on the Snowden archives and journalists using tools. > > Some of them are custom written and only do one job, take out all the > "speaker notes" for example in powerpoint presentations (don't ask). > Most of that stuff isn't packaged in Debian and they have to install it > themselves. > > The discussion we had maybe in the open or maybe in the backchannels > was, could we maintain some kind of "journalist pack" for persistence > where we package these tools somewhat and these things install when you > setup your persistence. With 3.4 the "Install additional software" is excellent for prototyping, indeed. It would be very useful to dig into these discussions and implement some ideas or package some of the code when possible. A journalist pack could start as a set of .deb listed in live-additional-software.conf while they are being pushed to Debian GNU/Linux. > We would also maintain some sort of deb repo for this. Maybe this could > even be a way to get some funding in from bigger organisations and a way > to support them in software! (crazy thought) > > I don't think we reached any conclusion or actionable points so thanks > for starting this discussion again and I hope my blurp is good for > something. I'm glad to hear about these past discussions and eager to learn more :-) Cheers > > Best, > Jurre > > Loic Dachary: >> Hi, >> >> Journalist using SecureDrop decrypt and read documents in an airgap Tails. I >> wonder which tools are available to search the documents stored in their >> persistence. Maybe this topic was discussed somewhere already ? Looking for >> "search engine" and other similar words in readmine[1] points to numerous >> entries related to web search engines, reason why I may have missed >> something focused specifically on this problem. >> >> Ideally Tails would come with the best search tools there is for Debian >> GNU/Linux. But ... the footprint of these tools may be too much to impose on >> all Tails users since journalists are a minority. Even if we care very much >> about investigative journalists working on airgap machines, adding hundreds >> of mega bytes to the Tails ISO could have a negative impact for the majority >> of use cases. >> >> An alternative would be to add those tools in the persistence so they are >> installed on every reboot[2]. While this is a fine temporary solution or >> when the the packages are small, it significantly increases the boot time >> (because packages are re-installed on boot). And there is no documented >> upgrade path for these packages. It may be the case that this eventually >> improves as part of rethinking the installation and upgrade process[3] >> though. >> >> Any advice you may have, things I could do to move forward, would be most >> welcome :-) >> >> Cheers >> >> [1] https://labs.riseup.net/code/projects/tails/issues >> [2] >> https://tails.boum.org/doc/advanced_topics/additional_software/index.en.html >> [3] Rethink the installation process and upgrade process >> https://labs.riseup.net/code/issues/11679 >> > -- Loïc Dachary, Artisan Logiciel Libre signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://mailman.boum.org/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
Re: [Tails-dev] Searching documents in an airgap Tails
Hi, I had some discussions with some of the people supporting the journalists working on the Snowden archives and journalists using tools. Some of them are custom written and only do one job, take out all the "speaker notes" for example in powerpoint presentations (don't ask). Most of that stuff isn't packaged in Debian and they have to install it themselves. The discussion we had maybe in the open or maybe in the backchannels was, could we maintain some kind of "journalist pack" for persistence where we package these tools somewhat and these things install when you setup your persistence. We would also maintain some sort of deb repo for this. Maybe this could even be a way to get some funding in from bigger organisations and a way to support them in software! (crazy thought) I don't think we reached any conclusion or actionable points so thanks for starting this discussion again and I hope my blurp is good for something. Best, Jurre Loic Dachary: > Hi, > > Journalist using SecureDrop decrypt and read documents in an airgap Tails. I > wonder which tools are available to search the documents stored in their > persistence. Maybe this topic was discussed somewhere already ? Looking for > "search engine" and other similar words in readmine[1] points to numerous > entries related to web search engines, reason why I may have missed something > focused specifically on this problem. > > Ideally Tails would come with the best search tools there is for Debian > GNU/Linux. But ... the footprint of these tools may be too much to impose on > all Tails users since journalists are a minority. Even if we care very much > about investigative journalists working on airgap machines, adding hundreds > of mega bytes to the Tails ISO could have a negative impact for the majority > of use cases. > > An alternative would be to add those tools in the persistence so they are > installed on every reboot[2]. While this is a fine temporary solution or when > the the packages are small, it significantly increases the boot time (because > packages are re-installed on boot). And there is no documented upgrade path > for these packages. It may be the case that this eventually improves as part > of rethinking the installation and upgrade process[3] though. > > Any advice you may have, things I could do to move forward, would be most > welcome :-) > > Cheers > > [1] https://labs.riseup.net/code/projects/tails/issues > [2] > https://tails.boum.org/doc/advanced_topics/additional_software/index.en.html > [3] Rethink the installation process and upgrade process > https://labs.riseup.net/code/issues/11679 > ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://mailman.boum.org/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
Re: [Tails-dev] Searching documents in an airgap Tails
Hi, Maybe a less ambitious goal would be to have tracker-gui and tracker-miner-fs only, from Debian GNU/Linux stretch. Do you think they deserve to be included in Tails ? Cheers On 01/08/2018 01:58 PM, Loic Dachary wrote: > Hi Anonym, > > On 01/08/2018 11:28 AM, anonym wrote: >> Loic Dachary: >>> Journalist using SecureDrop decrypt and read documents in an airgap Tails. >>> I wonder which tools are available to search the documents stored in their >>> persistence. >> >> What about GNOME Files' built-in search functionality [1]? It works well >> enough for me (although I can imagine it is slow if 1000s of files are >> involved) so I first would like that answered before proceeding with the >> rest of your email. > > GNOME Files search[1] is based on Tracker[2] and supports a number of > formats. Unless I'm mistaken it would require an upgrade to nautilus 3.26[3] > to get full text search. Tails 3.3 has nautilus 3.22 and after upgrading to > 3.26.2 (from Debian GNU/Linux sid with apt-get install nautilus tracker > tracker-extract tracker-miner-fs) it worked with a simple manual test. Even > if nautilus is not the best full text search it would be a great improvement > :-) > > Do you think such an upgrade would be possible ? > > Cheers > > [1] > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME_Files#File_indexing_and_file_search_framework > [2] https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Tracker > [3] https://github.com/GNOME/nautilus/blob/master/NEWS#L40 > >> >> [1] https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/files-search.html >> >> Cheers! >> ___ >> Tails-dev mailing list >> Tails-dev@boum.org >> https://mailman.boum.org/listinfo/tails-dev >> To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to >> tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org. >> > -- Loïc Dachary, Artisan Logiciel Libre signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Tails-dev mailing list Tails-dev@boum.org https://mailman.boum.org/listinfo/tails-dev To unsubscribe from this list, send an empty email to tails-dev-unsubscr...@boum.org.
