Re: [Tails-dev] Tails 3.0 release

[Austin English]

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 2:43 PM, x3 dre  wrote:
> Hi
>
> I'm looking around to find out information why, tails is going to dropping 32 
> bit cpu's ?
>
> As I know many people around the world that rely on older 32 cpu chipset and 
> other distributions like tails and others.
>
> It just seems those poorer people, will be locked out because of cost, and 
> their pockets not to be able to purchase secondhand 64 bit machines, which 
> could be a few months salary in some cases, especially in countries that are 
> dictatorial and where corrupt govs operate.
>
> Can you tell me the rationale behind this move?
>
> tia
>
> x3dre
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See 
https://tails.boum.org/news/Tails_3.0_will_require_a_64-bit_processor/index.en.html#index3h1

In short: it provides significant security benefits to a large number
of users at the expense of dropping support for a marginal (and
declining) number of users.

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[Tails-dev] Tails 3.0 release

[x3 dre]

Hi 

I'm looking around to find out information why, tails is going to dropping 32 
bit cpu's ?

As I know many people around the world that rely on older 32 cpu chipset and 
other distributions like tails and others.

It just seems those poorer people, will be locked out because of cost, and 
their pockets not to be able to purchase secondhand 64 bit machines, which 
could be a few months salary in some cases, especially in countries that are 
dictatorial and where corrupt govs operate.

Can you tell me the rationale behind this move?

tia

x3dre
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[Tails-dev] Tails 3.0 release schedule [Was: Changing Tails 3.0 release date?]

[intrigeri]

Hi,

intrigeri:
> So I'll make the call by the end of this week, depending on how
> I feel about committing to RM'ing an extra release. I may follow
> anonym's very reasonable position, or go crazy for the sake of
> communication and Debian/Tails/FOSS relationships. I'm undecided yet
> and want to sleep on it and balance all this very carefully.

I've decided to follow anonym's "keep calm and stick to the plan"
advice, so there won't be any scheduled 2.12.1 release, and Tails 3.0
will be released on June 13. By the way, it's amazing that we were
able to predict a reasonable release date for 3.0 back in December
last year! :)

So here's the release schedule:

* 2017-06-09:
   - Import Tor Browser 7.0.
   - Bump APT snapshots ([[!tails_ticket 12609]]).
   - Freeze: all branches targeting Tails 3.0 must be merged into the
 `devel` branch by 15:00 CEST.

* 2017-06-10: Build and upload the Tails 3.0 tentative ISO image.

* 2017-06-11 and 2017-06-12: Test the Tails 3.0 tentative ISO image
  (deadline: 2017-06-12, 17:00 CEST).

* 2017-06-13: Release Tails 3.0

Testers, please let me know if you are available on 2017-06-11 and/or
2017-06-12. Thanks in advance!

Cheers!
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Re: [Tails-dev] Tails 3.0-Beta 4 to RC 1 upgrade

[Chre]

Hi all,

Justin Davis:
> Hi,
> The automatic upgrade from 3.0 beta 4 to RC 1 is not working. When I
> try to upgrade using tails-upgrade-frontend-wrapper, it says the
> system is up to date. How do I do an automatic upgrade?
> Thanks,
> Justin.

Just FYI, same thing here, with an Toshiba portege R930.
I'll do a manuel update in some time.

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Re: [Tails-dev] Tails 3.0-Beta 4 to RC 1 upgrade

[intrigeri]

Forwarding to our help desk, Bcc'ing -dev@ once:

Justin Davis:
> Hi,
> The automatic upgrade from 3.0 beta 4 to RC 1 is not working. When I
> try to upgrade using tails-upgrade-frontend-wrapper, it says the
> system is up to date. How do I do an automatic upgrade?
> Thanks,
> Justin.

Cheers,
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[Tails-dev] Tails 3.0-Beta 4 to RC 1 upgrade

[Justin Davis]

Hi,
The automatic upgrade from 3.0 beta 4 to RC 1 is not working. When I
try to upgrade using tails-upgrade-frontend-wrapper, it says the
system is up to date. How do I do an automatic upgrade?
Thanks,
Justin.
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Re: [Tails-dev] Tails 3.0

[drwhax]

On 2017-01-25 20:18, Silkie Carlo wrote:

Thanks for your replies.

Given the pool, albeit small, of some very high risk users who rely on
using Tails with 32bit machines, might there be an interest in 
maintaining

a specific Tails version for that purpose?

Thanks again,

Silkie


Hi,

Tails will not. However, if you want, you could maintain such a 
derivative. https://tails.boum.org/contribute/derivatives/


Sorry!



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Re: [Tails-dev] Tails 3.0

[Silkie Carlo]

Thanks for your replies.

Given the pool, albeit small, of some very high risk users who rely on
using Tails with 32bit machines, might there be an interest in maintaining
a specific Tails version for that purpose?

Thanks again,

Silkie

On Wed, 18 Jan 2017 at 8:34 am, sajolida  wrote:

> drw...@riseup.net:
>
> > On 2017-01-17 11:47, Silkie Carlo wrote:
>
> >> Will Tails 3.0 and updates beyond that be only for 64-bit computers?
>
> >>
>
> >> Many high risk users are using Tails with Thinkpad X60s and other, older
>
> >> modified 32-bit machines.
>
> >>
>
> >> Thanks a lot,
>
> >>
>
> >> Silkie
>
> >
>
> > Yes, our plan is to switch to 64-bit only Tails releases and drop the
>
> > 32-bit users since there aren't as many as there used to be. Some of the
>
> > rationale can be found here: https://labs.riseup.net/code/issues/8183
>
>
>
> Also https://labs.riseup.net/code/issues/11997#note-1.
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Re: [Tails-dev] Tails 3.0

[sajolida]

drw...@riseup.net:
> On 2017-01-17 11:47, Silkie Carlo wrote:
>> Will Tails 3.0 and updates beyond that be only for 64-bit computers?
>>
>> Many high risk users are using Tails with Thinkpad X60s and other, older
>> modified 32-bit machines.
>>
>> Thanks a lot,
>>
>> Silkie
> 
> Yes, our plan is to switch to 64-bit only Tails releases and drop the
> 32-bit users since there aren't as many as there used to be. Some of the
> rationale can be found here: https://labs.riseup.net/code/issues/8183

Also https://labs.riseup.net/code/issues/11997#note-1.
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Re: [Tails-dev] Tails 3.0

[drwhax]

On 2017-01-17 11:47, Silkie Carlo wrote:

Hi,

Will Tails 3.0 and updates beyond that be only for 64-bit computers?

Many high risk users are using Tails with Thinkpad X60s and other, 
older

modified 32-bit machines.

Thanks a lot,

Silkie



Hi,

Yes, our plan is to switch to 64-bit only Tails releases and drop the 
32-bit users since there aren't as many as there used to be. Some of the 
rationale can be found here: https://labs.riseup.net/code/issues/8183


I guess your best bet is to find those hard to find x60 64-bit 
motherboard + cpu...


Best,
DrWhax
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[Tails-dev] Tails 3.0

[Silkie Carlo]

Hi,

Will Tails 3.0 and updates beyond that be only for 64-bit computers?

Many high risk users are using Tails with Thinkpad X60s and other, older
modified 32-bit machines.

Thanks a lot,

Silkie

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Re: [Tails-dev] Tails 3.0: current status & next steps

[intrigeri]

intrigeri:
>  * January 30 - Febuary 3: fourth sprint (remotely attended)

I forgot: at the end of the January sprint, I want to release
a Stretch based Tails 3.0 beta, that is safe and good enough for every
Tails contributor to use in production until 3.0 final is out.

I'll commit to keep it as up-to-date wrt. security vulnerabilities as
our 2.x release branch is. That is, I'll release an updated beta every
time we release a new Tails 2.x. There will be automatic,
incremental upgrades.

Cheers!
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[Tails-dev] Tails 3.0: current status & next steps

[intrigeri]

Hi!

here's a report, status update, and some planning information about
porting Tails to Debian Stretch.


December sprint
===

We've had a great sprint last week about porting Tails to Debian
Stretch. Most of our time was spent integrating the new Greeter
(fixing the last known blockers, adjusting the test suite).

Quite some time was also spent in other areas, mostly bug fixing,
polishing, and updating the test suite.

The complete list of what was worked on can be found there:
https://labs.riseup.net/code/projects/tails/issues?c%5B%5D=priority%5B%5D=subject%5B%5D=category%5B%5D=cf_15%5B%5D=assigned_to%5B%5D=cf_9%5B%5D=updated_on%5B%5D=status%5B%5D=fixed_version_id%5B%5D=updated_on%5B%5D=_by=%5Bfixed_version_id%5D=%3D%5Bupdated_on%5D=%3E%3C_filter=1=status%2Cupdated_on%3Adesc%2Cpriority%3Adesc=%E2%9C%93%5Bfixed_version_id%5D%5B%5D=278%5Bupdated_on%5D%5B%5D=2016-12-19%5Bupdated_on%5D%5B%5D=2016-12-25


Schedule


The next items on the schedule are:

 * January 30 - Febuary 3: fourth sprint (remotely attended)
 * February 5 2017 — Debian Stretch freeze starts
 * March 17-19th: fifth sprint (in-person)
 * June 2017 (???) — Debian Stretch is released
 * June-August 2017 — Tails 3.0 is released (June 13 seems realistic
   at this point, but it depends a lot on how much energy we can
   collectively put in the next two sprints)

This schedule is kept up-to-date on the blueprint:
https://tails.boum.org/blueprint/Debian_Stretch/#schedule


What's left to do, and how can I help?
==

Here's how I see the big picture:

 * Finish updating the automated test suite, in order to identify more
   regressions ASAP. I did most of the trivial bits I could, so
   there's not much room left for helping unless you're anonym… who
   will likely focus on this during the January sprint.

 * Update the documentation. A list of what needs to be updated was
   created, some of the doc was updated already, quite some work
   remains to do. If you want to help, get in touch with spriver
   and sajolida.

 * Some small software development tasks in JavaScript (Torbirdy,
   GNOME Shell extensions), Python (Greeter), and Perl (OpenPGP
   Applet). It would be awesome to spread this work over more
   shoulders, talk to me & anonym if you're interested.

 * Some Tails-specific "glue" development and design decisions (e.g.
   shall we switch to using NetworkManager's MAC address spoofing
   feature?); I expect anonym and I will take care of this.

Complete list of tickets:
https://labs.riseup.net/code/projects/tails/issues?query_id=198

Cheers,
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