Re: [GTALUG] Fedora 26 Wonky Screen

2017-09-02 Thread Charles Profitt via talk 
Howard:

I have five systems running Fedora 26 and one running Fedora 25, but I
have not had that happen.

What video chipset?

Charles


On Sat, 2017-09-02 at 11:44 -0400, Howard Gibson via talk wrote:
>I have just installed Fedora 26 on my desktop.  I logged into
> Gnome_3.  I opened a couple of terminals and logged in as root to set
> my system up.  I launched Firefox.  All of my screen colours went
> completely wonky.  I was doing a system update (dnf update) when all
> this happened.
> 
>I am installing FVWM but it did not launch.  Classic Gnome seems
> to be working okay but I am being cautious.  
> 
>Has anyone else experienced this?
> 

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Re: [GTALUG] Request for a talk (or a doc)

2017-09-02 Thread o1bigtenor via talk 
On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Evan Leibovitch via talk 
wrote:

> Thank you thank you thank you, Blaise.
>
> The links you offered eventually led me to the 2008 page that actually
> explained things most clearly to me
> . It's
> not limited to GNOME, I've happily implemented it under KDE. Now I don' t
> need to switch layouts or rely on dead keys.
>
> I've mapped the Compose key to Right-CTRL and all is good. (tried mapping
> to "menu" but I think that's hardwired to a function and wasn't mappable.)
>
> I also find that the Linux equivalent to the Windows Alt-code trick
> (ALT+0XXX to give any Unicode character) has an equivalent on Linux
> (Ctl-Shift-U) but it doesn't work reliably on all apps. I have no idea why
> this is.
>
> But no matter. Most of what I want can now be done easily using my
> newly-mapped Compose key. Guess it can't be a standard location because
> there is still a diversity of hardware keyboard layouts out there.
>
> In any case, thanks again. I leave it to the GTALUG organizers whether
> this topic merits a tutorial at a meeting.
>
>>
>>
Greetings

Very very interesting - - - especially as I'm multi-lingual. I too have
used the change the whole keyboard trick  but that's a nuisance because
then I have to 'think' about the typing as sometimes even the letter keys
move (so much for touch typing at that point). What I am curious about the
other letters that are part of the different alphabets. The Germanic
languages definitely have at least some. I'm not familiar enough with the
Eastern European languages but then I would likely not be touch typing so
the entire keyboard switch would likely work.

Thank for the question Evan - - - and some answers, thank you Blaise for
your impetus and answers.

Now for more of the story - - - -

(I'm listening - - - grin!  )

Dee
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Re: [GTALUG] Request for a talk (or a doc)

2017-09-02 Thread Evan Leibovitch via talk 
Thank you thank you thank you, Blaise.

The links you offered eventually led me to the 2008 page that actually
explained things most clearly to me
. It's not
limited to GNOME, I've happily implemented it under KDE. Now I don' t need
to switch layouts or rely on dead keys.

I've mapped the Compose key to Right-CTRL and all is good. (tried mapping
to "menu" but I think that's hardwired to a function and wasn't mappable.)

I also find that the Linux equivalent to the Windows Alt-code trick
(ALT+0XXX to give any Unicode character) has an equivalent on Linux
(Ctl-Shift-U) but it doesn't work reliably on all apps. I have no idea why
this is.

But no matter. Most of what I want can now be done easily using my
newly-mapped Compose key. Guess it can't be a standard location because
there is still a diversity of hardware keyboard layouts out there.

In any case, thanks again. I leave it to the GTALUG organizers whether this
topic merits a tutorial at a meeting.

- Evan



On 2 September 2017 at 04:17, Blaise Alleyne via talk 
wrote:

> On 02/09/17 04:07 AM, Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote:
> > [...] I have never quite mastered how to get random
> > Unicode characters from a keyboard on a Linux desktop. I've allways been
> > able to switch keyboards, and I can do French (and some other) accents
> > using dead keys. But I've never been able to duplicate the Windows trick
> > of (for instance) ALT-0128 to get the Euro symbol.
> >
> > Most keyboards these days, in addition to Control keys, have a pair each
> > Windows and Alt keys. On my KDE desktop the Windows key brings up the
> > applications menu - fine. But if I look at
> > /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose I see references to a
> > that would allow me to combine keystrokes to make ligatures
> > (such as combining "R" and "=" to make the Rupee symbol. I don' t see a
> > key marked "multi key"  and I haven't found the ability to do these
> > combined characters.
> >
> > In the KDE keyboard settings there is mention of mapping a  key to
> > one of the low-row keyboard keys ... but isn't that an EMACS thing? And
> > what is a  key?
> >
>
> In GNOME, the trick is called the Compose key.
>
> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/tips-specialchars.html.en
>
> You set a compose key in the GNOME settings (I like to set it as
> CapsLock personally), and hit that key and then a combination of other
> characters to get special characters.
>
> I haven't done this in KDE before, but a quick web search suggests that
> it might also be called the Compose Key in KDE:
> https://userbase.kde.org/Tutorials/ComposeKey
>
> HTH
>
> Blaise
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Re: [GTALUG] Fedora 26 Wonky Screen

2017-09-02 Thread dbmacg--- via talk 
Sounds like hardware. Check your video cable and connections.

Duncan

>I have just installed Fedora 26 on my desktop.  I logged into Gnome_3.
> I opened a couple of terminals and logged in as root to set my system
> up.  I launched Firefox.  All of my screen colours went completely
> wonky.  I was doing a system update (dnf update) when all this
> happened.
>
>I am installing FVWM but it did not launch.  Classic Gnome seems to be
> working okay but I am being cautious.
>
>Has anyone else experienced this?
>
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[GTALUG] Fedora 26 Wonky Screen

2017-09-02 Thread Howard Gibson via talk 
   I have just installed Fedora 26 on my desktop.  I logged into Gnome_3.  I 
opened a couple of terminals and logged in as root to set my system up.  I 
launched Firefox.  All of my screen colours went completely wonky.  I was doing 
a system update (dnf update) when all this happened.

   I am installing FVWM but it did not launch.  Classic Gnome seems to be 
working okay but I am being cautious.  

   Has anyone else experienced this?

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[GTALUG] [OFF TOPIC] Brave new Browser

2017-09-02 Thread Slack Rat via talk 
Does anyone have any comments on Brendan Eich's new "Brave"
browser?

Now in a sort of wide beta, I'm personally impressed and am using
it as my main browser.
 
At least it's blindingly fast and sound works out of the box and
many of the early version quirks have been obviated.

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Re: [GTALUG] Request for a talk (or a doc)

2017-09-02 Thread Blaise Alleyne via talk 
On 02/09/17 04:07 AM, Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote:
> [...] I have never quite mastered how to get random
> Unicode characters from a keyboard on a Linux desktop. I've allways been
> able to switch keyboards, and I can do French (and some other) accents
> using dead keys. But I've never been able to duplicate the Windows trick
> of (for instance) ALT-0128 to get the Euro symbol.
> 
> Most keyboards these days, in addition to Control keys, have a pair each
> Windows and Alt keys. On my KDE desktop the Windows key brings up the
> applications menu - fine. But if I look at
> /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose I see references to a
> that would allow me to combine keystrokes to make ligatures
> (such as combining "R" and "=" to make the Rupee symbol. I don' t see a
> key marked "multi key"  and I haven't found the ability to do these
> combined characters.
> 
> In the KDE keyboard settings there is mention of mapping a  key to
> one of the low-row keyboard keys ... but isn't that an EMACS thing? And
> what is a  key?
> 

In GNOME, the trick is called the Compose key.

https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/tips-specialchars.html.en

You set a compose key in the GNOME settings (I like to set it as
CapsLock personally), and hit that key and then a combination of other
characters to get special characters.

I haven't done this in KDE before, but a quick web search suggests that
it might also be called the Compose Key in KDE:
https://userbase.kde.org/Tutorials/ComposeKey

HTH

Blaise
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[GTALUG] Request for a talk (or a doc)

2017-09-02 Thread Evan Leibovitch via talk 
Hello all,

This is the opposite of an offer to present something. Rather, I am hoping
there is enough interest such that one of GTALUG' s more learned souls
might be able to present.

Specifically, keyboards. I have never quite mastered how to get random
Unicode characters from a keyboard on a Linux desktop. I've allways been
able to switch keyboards, and I can do French (and some other) accents
using dead keys. But I've never been able to duplicate the Windows trick of
(for instance) ALT-0128 to get the Euro symbol.

Most keyboards these days, in addition to Control keys, have a pair each
Windows and Alt keys. On my KDE desktop the Windows key brings up the
applications menu - fine. But if I look at
/usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose I see references to a 
that would allow me to combine keystrokes to make ligatures (such as
combining "R" and "=" to make the Rupee symbol. I don' t see a key marked
"multi key"  and I haven't found the ability to do these combined
characters.

In the KDE keyboard settings there is mention of mapping a  key to
one of the low-row keyboard keys ... but isn't that an EMACS thing? And
what is a  key?

If the answer is RTFM, I happily withdraw the request so long as someone
can suggest an FM to R.

My efforts to find decent docs on any of this have not gone well. So either
a pointer to a good tutorial-level explanation of all this, or a brief
mini-presentation at the next GTALUG meeting by someone who knows this
stuff, would be highly appreciated.

​Thanks!​

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