Re: [GTALUG] Boeing India software engineers

[Alex Volkov via talk]

There's an excellent Reply All episode about exactly this -- where a 
journalist dives deep into figuring out how one of these scams work and 
who is behind it.


https://www.gimletmedia.com/reply-all/long-distance

On 2019-03-12 10:51 p.m., Howard Gibson via talk wrote:

On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 21:25:22 -0400
James Knott via talk  wrote:

Several years ago, many companies decided to cut costs by moving help
desks etc. to India.  Many have come to regret that decision, due to the
poor quality "help".  In another thread, I mentioned how many put cost
ahead of value and we get garbage as a result.

James,

Is Microsoft paying the Microsoft help-desk peole who call me to fix my 
Microsoft networking problems?  [Ctrl][r] does not seem to work!



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Re: [GTALUG] Boeing India software engineers

[James Knott via talk]

On 03/12/2019 10:51 PM, Howard Gibson via talk wrote:
> Is Microsoft paying the Microsoft help-desk peole who call me to fix my 
> Microsoft networking problems?  [Ctrl][r] does not seem to work!

I think they're just scammers and certainly sound like they're in India
or Pakistan.

Bell's help desk is or was in India and I had the misfortune of having
to call them on occasion with my work.  On one job I was installing an
Adtran router, but the ADSL line wasn't ready.  When I called the help
line, they insisted I click on the Start button.  Last time I checked,
routers didn't have one.  I then asked to escalate and they hung up on
me.  The customer called her Bell sales rep and he put me in touch with
someone in Canada who could help.  That's when I learned to call the
French number, as they're in Canada and most of them speak English too.

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Re: [GTALUG] Boeing India software engineers

[Howard Gibson via talk]

On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 21:25:22 -0400
James Knott via talk  wrote:
> Several years ago, many companies decided to cut costs by moving help
> desks etc. to India.  Many have come to regret that decision, due to the
> poor quality "help".  In another thread, I mentioned how many put cost
> ahead of value and we get garbage as a result.

James,

   Is Microsoft paying the Microsoft help-desk peole who call me to fix my 
Microsoft networking problems?  [Ctrl][r] does not seem to work!

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Re: [GTALUG] Boeing India software engineers

[mwilson--- via talk]

> Not to be left behind in an uncompetitive position, our Canadian
> companies, too, are making great strides in reigning in costs by
> shifting work offshore.

A friend of mine had a job from hell for a while as Canada-side overseer
of an India-based programming effort.  The job entailed being up all night
to oversee, then being up all day explaining to management what was
happening in India.  He's a smart, talented guy, but really, how good is
*anybody* going to be working like that?

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Re: [GTALUG] Boeing India software engineers

[James Knott via talk]

On 03/12/2019 06:45 PM, o1bigtenor via talk wrote:
> A number of years ago I read that India is generating more engineers per year
> that the rest of the world combined. How good they are - - - - that's
> another question.

Several years ago, many companies decided to cut costs by moving help
desks etc. to India.  Many have come to regret that decision, due to the
poor quality "help".  In another thread, I mentioned how many put cost
ahead of value and we get garbage as a result.

One very important question a lot are missing is who is going to pay for
products, services, etc., when more and more of the jobs are moving
overseas.  At one time, it was just cheap manufactured goods.  Now it's
IT, legal and medical services and more.  When does it end?

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Re: [GTALUG] Boeing India software engineers

[Gary via talk]

India is an up and coming nation because the demographics are very 
favourable.
India has more than *50*% of its population below the age of *25* and 
more than *65*% below the age of *35*. It is expected that, in 2020, the 
average age of an Indian will be *29 years*, compared to *37* for China 
and *48* for Japan; and, by 2030, India's dependency ratio should be 
just over 0.4.

/gary

On 19-03-12 06:45 PM, o1bigtenor via talk wrote:

On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 3:37 PM Gary via talk  wrote:

I must complement Boeing management for the huge sums that they save on
salaries by shifting software engineering to India. Gleaned from the URL
below I take it that the average Boeing software engineer in India makes
26,930 rupees/month, which is about $500 Canadian and that makes an
annual salary of $6,000 per year. My hats off to management for
achieving these enormous cost savings.

Not to be left behind in an uncompetitive position, our Canadian
companies, too, are making great strides in reigning in costs by
shifting work offshore.

https://www.indeed.co.in/cmp/Boeing/salaries


A number of years ago I read that India is generating more engineers per year
that the rest of the world combined. How good they are - - - - that's
another question.

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Re: [GTALUG] Where are we eating this evening? EOM

[Christopher Browne via talk]

On Tue, Mar 12, 2019, 6:18 PM Christopher Browne  wrote:

> Not Kabul Express; they're busy renovating.
>
> I'm at Laziz Curry Kitchen a block further
>

It's cheap, and pretty generic Indian food, would not be quick to return.

I notice TacoRito  and Hurry Curry on the opposite side of the Ryerson
building on Mutual St, worth a try

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Re: [GTALUG] Boeing India software engineers

[o1bigtenor via talk]

On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 3:37 PM Gary via talk  wrote:
>
> I must complement Boeing management for the huge sums that they save on
> salaries by shifting software engineering to India. Gleaned from the URL
> below I take it that the average Boeing software engineer in India makes
> 26,930 rupees/month, which is about $500 Canadian and that makes an
> annual salary of $6,000 per year. My hats off to management for
> achieving these enormous cost savings.
>
> Not to be left behind in an uncompetitive position, our Canadian
> companies, too, are making great strides in reigning in costs by
> shifting work offshore.
>
> https://www.indeed.co.in/cmp/Boeing/salaries


A number of years ago I read that India is generating more engineers per year
that the rest of the world combined. How good they are - - - - that's
another question.

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Re: [GTALUG] Where are we eating this evening? EOM

[Christopher Browne via talk]

Not Kabul Express; they're busy renovating.

I'm at Laziz Curry Kitchen a block further
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[GTALUG] Where are we eating this evening? EOM

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Re: [GTALUG] Rogers "Anyplace TV" does not support Firefox

[James Knott via talk]

On 03/12/2019 07:27 AM, Alvin Starr via talk wrote:
> As appealing as "Buck a Beer" is I don't that that really carried the
> day.

I know of one person who voted for Ford, because his killing cap 'n
trade would cut the gas tax.  Of course, like Ford, this guy doesn't all
the facts.


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[GTALUG] Boeing India software engineers

[Gary via talk]

I must complement Boeing management for the huge sums that they save on 
salaries by shifting software engineering to India. Gleaned from the URL 
below I take it that the average Boeing software engineer in India makes 
26,930 rupees/month, which is about $500 Canadian and that makes an 
annual salary of $6,000 per year. My hats off to management for 
achieving these enormous cost savings.


Not to be left behind in an uncompetitive position, our Canadian 
companies, too, are making great strides in reigning in costs by 
shifting work offshore.


https://www.indeed.co.in/cmp/Boeing/salaries

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Re: [GTALUG] Rogers "Anyplace TV" does not support Firefox

[Jose Dias via talk]

Here too.



Chrome and Ghostery usually serves me well, but on rogers.com I was not able to 
view my account until I allowed the trackers. It’s on todo list to revisit and 
figure out what trackers are “mandatory” and which trackers are not.



From: talk  On Behalf Of Ivan Avery Frey via talk
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 8:51 AM
To: GTALUG 
Cc: Ivan Avery Frey 
Subject: Re: [GTALUG] Rogers "Anyplace TV" does not support Firefox



On Fri, Mar 8, 2019, 21:30 D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk, mailto:talk@gtalug.org> > wrote:

Why would that be?
It claims to support MS Edge, IE 11, Chrome, and Safari.

I don't have Chrome on my desktop because it is closed source.



I was having trouble with the Rogers website until I started to allow trackers.



Ivan



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# FPGAs for Fun, Acceleration, and Profit! w/ Chris Tyler

Field Programmable Gate Arrays (FPGAs) have moved from being expensive, exotic
prototyping tools to affordable mainstream devices for hardware customization
and acceleration. This talk takes a general look at FPGAs, how to use them, the
current technology landscape, the increasing use of FPGAs as cloud, leaf, and
server accelerators, and related technology initiatives around standardization
and cache coherence.


## Location

George Vari Engineering and Computing Centre
245 Church Street, Room 203
Ryerson University





## Schedule

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Re: [GTALUG] Rogers "Anyplace TV" does not support Firefox

[Ivan Avery Frey via talk]

On Fri, Mar 8, 2019, 21:30 D. Hugh Redelmeier via talk, 
wrote:

> Why would that be?
> It claims to support MS Edge, IE 11, Chrome, and Safari.
>
> I don't have Chrome on my desktop because it is closed source.
>

I was having trouble with the Rogers website until I started to allow
trackers.

Ivan

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Re: [GTALUG] Rogers "Anyplace TV" does not support Firefox

[Alvin Starr via talk]

As much as I am unhappy with the outcome of the last election your 
characterization is not really fair.


Only 40% of the population in Ontario voted for the PC party.

The voting process has part of the blame.

Dissatisfaction with the previous government both real and generated 
take part of the blame.


As appealing as "Buck a Beer" is I don't that that really carried the day.

On 3/12/19 4:46 AM, Gary via talk wrote:
[...as one who has totally given up on getting big business to 
understand their imminent demise]


I disagree. The very fact that Doug Ford can get elected on a platform 
like "A buck a beer" speaks to the utter stupidity of the masses. This 
is a testament to the fact that the masses are incredibly gullible. 
Its business as usual.


/gary


On 19-03-11 04:32 PM, o1bigtenor via talk wrote:

On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 10:34 AM David Collier-Brown via talk
 wrote:

The help-desk is tasked with making you happy with what you have. In
many companies they are forbidden to take bug reports.  You often have
to ask for their "escalations manger", and sometimes explain to them
what that is (;-))


Well - - - as one who has totally given up on getting big business to
understand
their imminent demise (when you keep pissing off your customer you WILL
eventually lose them even if there are almost no other games in town 
at the
time - - - someone will show up!) I've gotten to where I don't talk 
much with
the first level, sometimes to the second and find that the back room 
boys don't

like it when their sacred premises are proven to be 'wrong'.

Dee
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Re: [GTALUG] Rogers "Anyplace TV" does not support Firefox

[Gary via talk]

[...as one who has totally given up on getting big business to understand their 
imminent demise]

I disagree. The very fact that Doug Ford can get elected on a platform 
like "A buck a beer" speaks to the utter stupidity of the masses. This 
is a testament to the fact that the masses are incredibly gullible. Its 
business as usual.


/gary


On 19-03-11 04:32 PM, o1bigtenor via talk wrote:

On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 10:34 AM David Collier-Brown via talk
 wrote:

The help-desk is tasked with making you happy with what you have. In
many companies they are forbidden to take bug reports.  You often have
to ask for their "escalations manger", and sometimes explain to them
what that is (;-))


Well - - - as one who has totally given up on getting big business to
understand
their imminent demise (when you keep pissing off your customer you WILL
eventually lose them even if there are almost no other games in town at the
time - - - someone will show up!) I've gotten to where I don't talk much with
the first level, sometimes to the second and find that the back room boys don't
like it when their sacred premises are proven to be 'wrong'.

Dee
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