Re: [GTALUG] POP3 vs IMAP
On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 10:06:38PM -0400, Howard Gibson via talk wrote: > Lennart, > >I have been using Sylpheed and MH format since July 23, 2003. At least, > those are my earliest email files. I have no complaints. A separate file > for each email makes it easier to use grep to search your email archives. maildir has one file per message too, but it does not go renaming files to do operations. It stays sane. It stores mail. It does not handle sorting, tagging, or anything else. It stores mail. The only thing it can flag that I know of is read vs unread vs new. Looking at the spec there are some more flags that can be added to the end of the filename, but at least the main filename stays consistent. maildir seems to be essentially MH done right. In my opinion at least. Hard to believe I consider something by DJB to be done right. What is the world coming to. >I recall liking the mbox format. I had things set up so that I could > launch pine, balsa or kmail, depending on my mood. I found that Netscape > would delete emails by setting a flag that the other email programs did not > recognize. mbox is way too slow with all the messages in one file. And much harder to fix if something goes wrong. -- Len Sorensen --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] POP3 vs IMAP
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 15:38:06 -0400 Lennart Sorensen via talk wrote: > OK, having just looked up how MH does it, I am horrified anyone would > design something so awful. Changing mail sorting by renaming the > message files? That's insane. :) > > I can say for certain I will never ever consider the use of MH. Lennart, I have been using Sylpheed and MH format since July 23, 2003. At least, those are my earliest email files. I have no complaints. A separate file for each email makes it easier to use grep to search your email archives. I recall liking the mbox format. I had things set up so that I could launch pine, balsa or kmail, depending on my mood. I found that Netscape would delete emails by setting a flag that the other email programs did not recognize. -- Howard Gibson hgib...@eol.ca jhowardgib...@gmail.com http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] POP3 vs IMAP
On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 03:26:27PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen via talk wrote: > Yeah I started using maildir years ago too. One file per message, > super fast, works with almost everything. mbox is awful, and I have > never even heard of mh format so how common can it be? OK, having just looked up how MH does it, I am horrified anyone would design something so awful. Changing mail sorting by renaming the message files? That's insane. :) I can say for certain I will never ever consider the use of MH. -- Len Sorensen --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] POP3 vs IMAP
On Sat, Jun 08, 2019 at 08:16:58PM -0400, Loui Chang via talk wrote: > Mutt can use many different mail formats including mbox, mh and maildir which > I personally use. Yeah I started using maildir years ago too. One file per message, super fast, works with almost everything. mbox is awful, and I have never even heard of mh format so how common can it be? -- Len Sorensen --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] POP3 vs IMAP
On 2019-06-08 09:24 PM, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: > On Sat, 8 Jun 2019, James Knott via talk wrote: > ?? But, once it's downloaded, you can do anything you like with it. >> >> Now, try to keep multiple devices in sync, including sent mail. > > Not interested. > But it's certainly doable. > How would you sync sent messages? With received messages, you have to leave the message on the POP server long enough for all devices to download. --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] POP3 vs IMAP
On 2019-06-08 9:13 p.m., James Knott via talk wrote: On 2019-06-08 08:36 PM, Chris F.A. Johnson via talk wrote: POP is download only. But, once it's downloaded, you can do anything you like with it. Now, try to keep multiple devices in sync, including sent mail. As I briefly touched on, my main computer at home has my email archives. I use POP and they are removed from the email server. I prefer it that way. My cell phone accesses my emails using IMAP. I can stay on top of things and respond to anything that is urgent. Nothing old is urgent. It can wait until I get home. -- Stephen --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] POP3 vs IMAP
On Sat, 8 Jun 2019, James Knott via talk wrote: On 2019-06-08 08:36 PM, Chris F.A. Johnson via talk wrote: POP is download only. ?? But, once it's downloaded, you can do anything you like with it. Now, try to keep multiple devices in sync, including sent mail. Not interested. But it's certainly doable. --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] POP3 vs IMAP
On 2019-06-08 08:36 PM, Chris F.A. Johnson via talk wrote: >> POP is download only. > > But, once it's downloaded, you can do anything you like with it. Now, try to keep multiple devices in sync, including sent mail. --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] POP3 vs IMAP
On Sat, 8 Jun 2019, Loui Chang via talk wrote: On Sat 08 Jun 2019 12:20 -0400, Stephen via talk wrote: IMAP Allows multiple devices to access you emails Keeps messages on server IMAP also allows to preserve some kind of folder structure on the server and synch (upload/download) those folders bi-laterally between client and server including Sent Mail and Drafts. POP is download only. But, once it's downloaded, you can do anything you like with it. I keep parallel mbox and (modified) maildir hierarchies. I use mbox with alpine, and maildir for processing individual messages and (theoretically) statistical analysis. --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] POP3 vs IMAP
On Sat 08 Jun 2019 12:20 -0400, Stephen via talk wrote: > IMAP > Allows multiple devices to access you emails > Keeps messages on server IMAP also allows to preserve some kind of folder structure on the server and synch (upload/download) those folders bi-laterally between client and server including Sent Mail and Drafts. POP is download only. --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] POP3 vs IMAP
On Sat 08 Jun 2019 14:30 -0400, Howard Gibson via talk wrote: >Sylpheed and Claws store email in MH (Mail Handler) format. This format is >used by mh and mutt. Mutt can use many different mail formats including mbox, mh and maildir which I personally use. https://linux.die.net/man/5/muttrc "mbox_type" --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] POP3 vs IMAP
On 6/8/19 12:05 PM, o1bigtenor via talk wrote: Greetings Working on setting up Claws - - an email handling tool and I need to choose whether I use POP3 or IMAP. What I've been able to find so far doesn't really give any kind of clear direction. I have lots of storage here and am planning on starting with my least used addresses just to make sure things are working well before I do a complete switch. As a general rule only use IMAP. If you intend to leave your mail on the mail server then IMAP is just about manditory. IMAP also has a number of features not provided by POP. 1) server based mail search 2) multi client synchronization 3) multiple hierarchical folders 4) random access to messages without having to re-read the inbox. 5) IMAP servers usually support like Sieve for mail filtering. 6) write messages to a "sent" folder About 5 years ago I stopped supporting POP at all and my email clients must use IMAPS. -- Alvin Starr || land: (647)478-6285 Netvel Inc. || Cell: (416)806-0133 al...@netvel.net || --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] POP3 vs IMAP
If your email is on Yahoo/Google, then they can talk POP3 or IMAP when talking with you. The emails will be stored in their own formats internally, anyways. So, I don't think it matters. -- William Park On Sat, Jun 08, 2019 at 11:05:21AM -0500, o1bigtenor via talk wrote: > Greetings > > Working on setting up Claws - - an email handling tool and I need to > choose whether I use > POP3 or IMAP. > What I've been able to find so far doesn't really give any kind of > clear direction. > I have lots of storage here and am planning on starting with my least > used addresses just to make sure things are working well before I do a > complete switch. > > Please advise. > > TIA > --- > Talk Mailing List > talk@gtalug.org > https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] POP3 vs IMAP
On Sat, 8 Jun 2019 11:05:21 -0500 o1bigtenor via talk wrote: > Greetings > > Working on setting up Claws - - an email handling tool and I need to > choose whether I use > POP3 or IMAP. > What I've been able to find so far doesn't really give any kind of > clear direction. > I have lots of storage here and am planning on starting with my least > used addresses just to make sure things are working well before I do a > complete switch. > > Please advise. o1bigtenor, I am running Sypheed here, which is what Claws is based on. I use POP3 to download email. It has been a long time since I have configured it. I recall that the word today is NOCLOBBER. In POP, you have the choice of deleting or not deleting your email as you download it. Initially, you want to not delete it. Once things are reliable, you want the online stuff deleted. I currently download and clobber email from eol.ca, google.com, and torfree.net. I don't want my email to be online. I transfer my current email folders from my desktop to my laptop when I travel. Sylpheed and Claws store email in MH (Mail Handler) format. This format is used by mh and mutt. Almost all other Linux email programs, including Evolution and Thunderbird, use mbox format. In MH, each email is stored as a separate file. In mbox, each mail folder is stored as a file. -- Howard Gibson hgib...@eol.ca jhowardgib...@gmail.com http://home.eol.ca/~hgibson --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] POP3 vs IMAP
On 2019-06-08 1:16 p.m., James Knott via talk wrote: On 2019-06-08 12:20 PM, Stephen via talk wrote: IMAP Allows multiple devices to access you emails Keeps messages on server POP Deletes messages on server when downloaded Which server??? When I ran my own IMAP server, I used fetchmail to download & delete the messages from my ISP's server.?? Of course, leaving the messages on the IMAP server means they'll always be there for when you get another device, use webmail from another computer, etc.. Some accounts are with Rogers/Yahoo others are on my web server. -- Stephen --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] POP3 vs IMAP
On 2019-06-08 12:20 PM, Stephen via talk wrote: > > IMAP > Allows multiple devices to access you emails > Keeps messages on server > > POP > Deletes messages on server when downloaded Which server? When I ran my own IMAP server, I used fetchmail to download & delete the messages from my ISP's server. Of course, leaving the messages on the IMAP server means they'll always be there for when you get another device, use webmail from another computer, etc.. --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] POP3 vs IMAP
On 2019-06-08 12:05 PM, o1bigtenor via talk wrote: > Working on setting up Claws - - an email handling tool and I need to > choose whether I use > POP3 or IMAP. If you have more than one device, you want IMAP, as it keeps everything synced. --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [GTALUG] POP3 vs IMAP
On 2019-06-08 12:05 p.m., o1bigtenor via talk wrote: Greetings Working on setting up Claws - - an email handling tool and I need to choose whether I use POP3 or IMAP. What I've been able to find so far doesn't really give any kind of clear direction. I have lots of storage here and am planning on starting with my least used addresses just to make sure things are working well before I do a complete switch. Please advise. TIA I see the two main differences being: IMAP Allows multiple devices to access you emails Keeps messages on server POP Deletes messages on server when downloaded I have my phone set for IMAP to I see emails when out, and my computer sent to POP so I can download when I am home -- Stephen --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
[GTALUG] POP3 vs IMAP
Greetings Working on setting up Claws - - an email handling tool and I need to choose whether I use POP3 or IMAP. What I've been able to find so far doesn't really give any kind of clear direction. I have lots of storage here and am planning on starting with my least used addresses just to make sure things are working well before I do a complete switch. Please advise. TIA --- Talk Mailing List talk@gtalug.org https://gtalug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
