Re: [GTALUG] Raspberry PI wifi problem

[Russell via talk]

On August 25, 2017 11:38:11 AM EDT, Evan Leibovitch via talk  
wrote:
>> LOL Evan, I've been waiting for your follow-up. You had to know that
>your
>> comment would solicit replies.
>>
>
>​As many TLUGers know I've been following the issue for a long time, at
>one
>point being the ZDNet writer on open source for more than 100 columns.
>I heard a crapload about the frustrations of people -- non-technical
>people. who didn't want to hear about downloading firmwares and
>​relinking
>kernels.
>
>The original mail reflected the fact that personally, I continue to
>find
>networking more difficult to use on Linux desktops than on Windows or
>Macs.
>Why, for instance, should the end-user be expected to know what kind of
>wifi authentication protocol is in use? Who cares? Win and Mac just try
>them all till one works, assuming the credentials are right.
>
>Oh well, at least it's not as bad as the sound configuration. And Linux
>always had windowing and multitasking right.
>
>In any case, the point is moot. It is fully irrelevant whether or not
>Linux
>ever does better on the PC desktop than it has. Linux dominates on
>mobile
>and server and has become more than mainstream. Now Microsoft is the
>one
>struggling for compatibility, and the Unix wars are long behind us
>(notwithstanding what has evolved into a friendly niche rivalry with
>BSD).
>
>​But I swear if Android phones had​ required PulseAudio, we'd all
>still
>be using Symbian.

Ouuucch, thats gotta hurt. But be careful what you wish for.

Remember when the mantra was "Linux World Domination" Then it happened. Now, as 
far as init goes, it seem there are those with the  Lennartware sucks mantra. 
No kidding,  I read that in an answer on Quora.

I'm not particularly in any one camp but, its kind of hard to think that 
someone building a sound server, wouldn't understand at the time; you don't 
turn on the power amp until the mixer pre-amp is powered up and the gain is at 
0. 

In practice you don't just run the amp with no load, just as you don't power up 
the mixer with the onboard pre-amp output on.

Thats also an historical issue now addressed apparently. I still use a toolbar 
button to quick mute.

amixer sset Master toggle

My biggest nice to have feature would be a comprehensive source of ICC lookup 
tables for linux.

I wouldn't have to stop cups to be able to scan with my MFU. 

Darnd thing throws off paper feed errors and although I've never used it with 
windows and based on some reports I've read, I've got a feeling that the ink 
tank contents data, which changes quite a bit, looks like an unrecognizable 
colour profile to xsane, instead of a scanner.

Just a hunch tho.

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Re: [GTALUG] Raspberry PI wifi problem

[Evan Leibovitch via talk]

On 25 August 2017 at 12:27, Stewart C. Russell via talk 
wrote:


> Is that latest-latest Raspbian, as in Raspbian Stretch released last
> ​ ​
> week? It has some known networking issues that the Raspbian devs have
> ​ ​
> been a bit coy about addressing.
>

​That's the one, and thanks for the heads-up.​



> The Foundation's current official response is along the lines of "It
> ​ ​
> works if you set it up with keyboard and monitor", but if you're doing a
> ​ ​
> headless setup, that doesn't help.


​... and headless is the intended use.​

What worked for me was ensuring that
> wpa-supplicant.conf had the following lines at the top, even if you're
> working on the skeleton version copied from /boot
>
> country=CA
> ctrl_interface=DIR=/var/run/wpa_supplicant GROUP=netdev
> update_config=1
>

​
Was all there, exactly like that.​ But iwconfig and other tools didn't even
indicate that the install got as far as the WPA setup.

Like all Raspberry Pi things, don't follow web advice more than a year
> ​ ​
> old.


​I suspected as much. Many sites were giving really complex rebuilding
steps for a driver that's supposedly already there.​ Unfortunately the most
recent forum stuff that I could on this is from 2015.

Working with anything other than Realtek USB wifi on a
> ​ ​
> Raspberry Pi can be a crapshoot at the best of times.
>

​
I'm seeing that the more I read. Considering the low cost of entry
​
I think it's just the path of least resistance to switch to that.

One last thing. I'm using a 2A USB power supply for the Pi B; I hope that's
enough. Some previous forum advice suggests that some dongles need a
separate powered USB hub which I don't have.

Thanks, Stewart and Russell, for the help.

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Re: [GTALUG] Raspberry PI wifi problem

[Stewart C. Russell via talk]

On 2017-08-23 06:11 PM, Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote:
> 
> I have a RPi Model B running current Raspian, and a wifi dongle that
> claims to run on it.

Is that latest-latest Raspbian, as in Raspbian Stretch released last
week? It has some known networking issues that the Raspbian devs have
been a bit coy about addressing.

The Foundation's current official response is along the lines of "It
works if you set it up with keyboard and monitor", but if you're doing a
headless setup, that doesn't help. What worked for me was ensuring that
wpa-supplicant.conf had the following lines at the top, even if you're
working on the skeleton version copied from /boot

country=CA
ctrl_interface=DIR=/var/run/wpa_supplicant GROUP=netdev
update_config=1

Like all Raspberry Pi things, don't follow web advice more than a year
old. With the change to systemd and the huge changes in the firmware,
almost everything that was received wisdom is now useless or actively
harmful. Working with anything other than Realtek USB wifi on a
Raspberry Pi can be a crapshoot at the best of times.

Best source of support is, as ever,
https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/index.php

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Re: [GTALUG] Raspberry PI wifi problem

[Evan Leibovitch via talk]

> LOL Evan, I've been waiting for your follow-up. You had to know that your
> comment would solicit replies.
>

​As many TLUGers know I've been following the issue for a long time, at one
point being the ZDNet writer on open source for more than 100 columns.
I heard a crapload about the frustrations of people -- non-technical
people. who didn't want to hear about downloading firmwares and ​relinking
kernels.

The original mail reflected the fact that personally, I continue to find
networking more difficult to use on Linux desktops than on Windows or Macs.
Why, for instance, should the end-user be expected to know what kind of
wifi authentication protocol is in use? Who cares? Win and Mac just try
them all till one works, assuming the credentials are right.

Oh well, at least it's not as bad as the sound configuration. And Linux
always had windowing and multitasking right.

In any case, the point is moot. It is fully irrelevant whether or not Linux
ever does better on the PC desktop than it has. Linux dominates on mobile
and server and has become more than mainstream. Now Microsoft is the one
struggling for compatibility, and the Unix wars are long behind us
(notwithstanding what has evolved into a friendly niche rivalry with BSD).

​But I swear if Android phones had​ required PulseAudio, we'd all still
be using Symbian.

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Re: [GTALUG] Raspberry PI wifi problem

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On Aug 25, 2017 5:07 AM, Evan Leibovitch via talk  wrote:Sheesh.Six replies, and only on actually relevant to the question asked.LOL Evan, I've been waiting for your follow-up. You had to know that your comment would solicit replies.>> Making networking run on Linux desktops has always been IMO one of the> reasons why it's not caught on. Stuff just shouldn't be this hard.>---
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Re: [GTALUG] Raspberry PI wifi problem

[Russell via talk]

On August 25, 2017 5:07:48 AM EDT, Evan Leibovitch  wrote:
>Sheesh.
>
>Six replies, and only on actually relevant to the question asked.
>
>Thanks, Russell. I'd seen that page.
>It indicates that the MT7601U driver is already in the kernel after
>kernel
>4.2.
>I see it there, it shows up what I run `lsmod`.
>
>But I still can't get it running.
>
>Under `usb-devices` I have
>
>T:  Bus=01 Lev=02 Prnt=02 Port=01 Cnt=02 Dev#=  4 Spd=480 MxCh= 0
>D:  Ver= 2.01 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs=  1
>P:  Vendor=148f ProdID=7601 Rev=00.00
>S:  Manufacturer=MediaTek
>S:  Product=802.11 n WLAN
>S:  SerialNumber=1.0
>C:  #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=80 MxPwr=160mA
>I:  If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 8 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff Driver=(none)
>
>So I have the kernel module loaded, and the hardware recognized, but
>the
>system isn't matching the device to this driver.
>
>Any suggestions?

Got the firmware in the right location? 

/lib/firmware/MT7601u.bin 

This guy got it working, albeit without WEP

https://github.com/Yackou/nixie-radio/wiki/mt7601u-compilation

>Do I go back to the old pre-4.2 driver? Would it react differently to
>the
>current one?

Might have to go back. Although I did read that this particular firmware is 
missing from linux-firmware and that simply putting the blob in the right place 
fixed it for some Ubuntu distros. The post I saw had your device listed as 
working out of the box on Ubuntu 15 and some instructions for patching earlier 
releases.

Apparently this is a popular problem.

https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/1090

Usb hotplugging of a NIC, its kind of a funny concept. Trusted networks don't 
necessarily like that kind of quick change artistry. IMO usb has a shifty 
history of tracking and managing a hid Endpoint (device) to endpoints (buffers)

Pi boards with different revisions, plus throw in systemd targets to boot and 
your looking at a clusterfork about to happen. The general tone is its not 
worth the time because better dongles are out there.

You could see what wpa_supplicant shows

systemctl status wpa_supplicant.service -l

Or post the output of uname -a and ps xawf -eo pid,user,cgroups,args for the 
bigger picture.

I'd bet on the firmware blob tho. Thats an issue with a lot of history in Linux 
and it does look like there is a working one out there.

Hope this helps.

>
>I can get another dongle with another chipset, but that will take time.

>
>- Evan
>
>
>
>
>On 23 August 2017 at 18:31, Russell Reiter  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 6:11 PM, Evan Leibovitch via talk
>
>> wrote:
>> > Hi all.
>> >
>> > Making networking run on Linux desktops has always been IMO one of
>the
>> > reasons why it's not caught on. Stuff just shouldn't be this hard.
>> >
>> > I have a RPi Model B running current Raspian, and a wifi dongle
>that
>> claims
>> > to run on it.
>>
>> These instructions might help. Some driver updates from 2015 and
>source
>> links.
>>
>>
>https://groenholdt.net/Computers/RaspberryPi/MediaTek-MT7601-USB-WIFI-on-
>> the-Raspberry-Pi/MediaTek-MT7601-USB-WIFI-on-the-Raspberry-Pi.html
>>
>>
>> >
>> > `lsusb` reports it as
>> > Bus 001 Device 004: ID 148f:7601 Ralink Technology, Corp. MT7601U
>> Wireless
>> > Adapter
>> >
>> > and `usb-devices` says:
>> > T: Bus=01 Lev=02 Prnt=02 Port=01 Cnt=02 Dev#= 4 Spd=480 MxCh= 0
>> > D: Ver= 2.01 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs= 1
>> > P: Vendor=148f ProdID=7601 Rev=00.00
>> > S: Manufacturer=MediaTek
>> > S: Product=802.11 n WLAN
>> > S: SerialNumber=1.0
>> > C: #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=80 MxPwr=160mA
>> > I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 8 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff Driver=(none)
>> >
>> > Now... even though it says "Driver=(none)" on that last line,
>`lsmod`
>> > reports:
>> > Module Size Used by
>> > [...]
>> > mt7601u 86636 0
>> > mac80211 650707 1 mt7601u
>> > cfg80211 525998 2 mac80211,mt7601u
>> > [...]
>> > snd_hwdep 6479 1 snd_usb_audio
>> > videodev 177702 3 uvcvideo,videobuf2_core,videobuf2_v4l2
>> > snd_usbmidi_lib 22479 1 snd_usb_audio
>> > snd_rawmidi 23727 1 snd_usbmidi_lib
>> > media 28994 2 uvcvideo,videodev
>> > rfkill 21373 2 cfg80211
>> > snd_seq_device 5266 1 snd_rawmidi
>> > snd_bcm2835 23131 0
>> > snd_pcm 97825 2 snd_usb_audio,snd_bcm2835
>> > snd_timer 22706 1 snd_pcm
>> > snd 68784 8
>> > snd_hwdep,snd_usb_audio,snd_timer,snd_rawmidi,snd_usbmidi_
>> lib,snd_seq_device,snd_bcm2835,snd_pcm
>> > bcm2835_gpiomem 3791 0
>> > uio_pdrv_genirq 3718 0
>> > uio 10166 1 uio_pdrv_genirq
>> > fixed 3029 0
>> > ip_tables 12512 0
>> > x_tables 20921 1 ip_tables
>> > ipv6 384391 18
>> >
>> > So there is a module called mt7201u being loaded yet it's not seen
>as the
>> > associated driver to this card in usb-devices and it's definitely
>not
>> > showing in ifconfig or iwconfig.
>> >
>> > Any suggestions on what I'm missing is greatly appreciated.
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Evan Leibovitch
>> > Toronto, Canada
>> >
>> > Em: evan at telly dot org
>> > Sk: evanleibovitch
>> > Tw: el56
>> >
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Re: [GTALUG] Raspberry PI wifi problem

[Evan Leibovitch via talk]

Sheesh.

Six replies, and only on actually relevant to the question asked.

Thanks, Russell. I'd seen that page.
It indicates that the MT7601U driver is already in the kernel after kernel
4.2.
I see it there, it shows up what I run `lsmod`.

But I still can't get it running.

Under `usb-devices` I have

T:  Bus=01 Lev=02 Prnt=02 Port=01 Cnt=02 Dev#=  4 Spd=480 MxCh= 0
D:  Ver= 2.01 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs=  1
P:  Vendor=148f ProdID=7601 Rev=00.00
S:  Manufacturer=MediaTek
S:  Product=802.11 n WLAN
S:  SerialNumber=1.0
C:  #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=80 MxPwr=160mA
I:  If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 8 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff Driver=(none)

So I have the kernel module loaded, and the hardware recognized, but the
system isn't matching the device to this driver.

Any suggestions?
Do I go back to the old pre-4.2 driver? Would it react differently to the
current one?

I can get another dongle with another chipset, but that will take time.

- Evan




On 23 August 2017 at 18:31, Russell Reiter  wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 6:11 PM, Evan Leibovitch via talk 
> wrote:
> > Hi all.
> >
> > Making networking run on Linux desktops has always been IMO one of the
> > reasons why it's not caught on. Stuff just shouldn't be this hard.
> >
> > I have a RPi Model B running current Raspian, and a wifi dongle that
> claims
> > to run on it.
>
> These instructions might help. Some driver updates from 2015 and source
> links.
>
> https://groenholdt.net/Computers/RaspberryPi/MediaTek-MT7601-USB-WIFI-on-
> the-Raspberry-Pi/MediaTek-MT7601-USB-WIFI-on-the-Raspberry-Pi.html
>
>
> >
> > `lsusb` reports it as
> > Bus 001 Device 004: ID 148f:7601 Ralink Technology, Corp. MT7601U
> Wireless
> > Adapter
> >
> > and `usb-devices` says:
> > T: Bus=01 Lev=02 Prnt=02 Port=01 Cnt=02 Dev#= 4 Spd=480 MxCh= 0
> > D: Ver= 2.01 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs= 1
> > P: Vendor=148f ProdID=7601 Rev=00.00
> > S: Manufacturer=MediaTek
> > S: Product=802.11 n WLAN
> > S: SerialNumber=1.0
> > C: #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=80 MxPwr=160mA
> > I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 8 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff Driver=(none)
> >
> > Now... even though it says "Driver=(none)" on that last line, `lsmod`
> > reports:
> > Module Size Used by
> > [...]
> > mt7601u 86636 0
> > mac80211 650707 1 mt7601u
> > cfg80211 525998 2 mac80211,mt7601u
> > [...]
> > snd_hwdep 6479 1 snd_usb_audio
> > videodev 177702 3 uvcvideo,videobuf2_core,videobuf2_v4l2
> > snd_usbmidi_lib 22479 1 snd_usb_audio
> > snd_rawmidi 23727 1 snd_usbmidi_lib
> > media 28994 2 uvcvideo,videodev
> > rfkill 21373 2 cfg80211
> > snd_seq_device 5266 1 snd_rawmidi
> > snd_bcm2835 23131 0
> > snd_pcm 97825 2 snd_usb_audio,snd_bcm2835
> > snd_timer 22706 1 snd_pcm
> > snd 68784 8
> > snd_hwdep,snd_usb_audio,snd_timer,snd_rawmidi,snd_usbmidi_
> lib,snd_seq_device,snd_bcm2835,snd_pcm
> > bcm2835_gpiomem 3791 0
> > uio_pdrv_genirq 3718 0
> > uio 10166 1 uio_pdrv_genirq
> > fixed 3029 0
> > ip_tables 12512 0
> > x_tables 20921 1 ip_tables
> > ipv6 384391 18
> >
> > So there is a module called mt7201u being loaded yet it's not seen as the
> > associated driver to this card in usb-devices and it's definitely not
> > showing in ifconfig or iwconfig.
> >
> > Any suggestions on what I'm missing is greatly appreciated.
> >
> >
> > --
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> > Toronto, Canada
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Re: [GTALUG] Raspberry PI wifi problem

[James Knott via talk]

On 08/24/2017 01:21 AM, Steve Petrie, P.Eng. via talk wrote:
> 3. If someone isn't using a cloud-based email IMAP hosting service, but
> instead using a POP3 / SMTP hosting service and keeping emails on local
> disk (as I am), dropping Microsoft Windows means converting the local
> MS-based email database to a new email client. Yes, Mozilla Thunderbird
> can import emails from MS Outlook and MS Outlook Express (but only when
> Thunderbird runs under Windows). But frankly, I have too much invested
> in my precious 1.5 GB of email history to trust the standard Thunderbird
> import function. So I have written my own C++ program to generate solid
> conversion integrity checking for the email database conversion. Call me
> paranoid. And this C++ program isn;t fiished yet.

Get going with IMAP.  Then you can drag 'n drop your POP email into an
IMAP account.  If fact, you don't even have to do all that.  Just create
a new IMAP account and stop the POP account from downloading mail.  Have
sending save outgoing mail on the IMAP account too.  That way, you can
refer back to the POP messages when needed, but use IMAP going forward.

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Re: [GTALUG] Raspberry PI wifi problem

[Kevin Cozens via talk]

On 2017-08-23 06:11 PM, Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote:
Making networking run on Linux desktops has always been IMO one of the 
reasons why it's not caught on. Stuff just shouldn't be this hard.


I have a RPi Model B running current Raspian, and a wifi dongle that claims 
to run on it.


To keep things simple I start X and use the GUI based tool to configure WiFi 
networking.


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Re: [GTALUG] Raspberry PI wifi problem

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Warm greetings to GTALUG,

Comments below.

(apologies for the messy format -- due to ancient Microsoft Outlook 
Express...)


Steve

- Original Message - 
From: "CLIFFORD ILKAY via talk" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [GTALUG] Raspberry PI wifi problem



On 2017-08-23 06:11 PM, Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote:

Hi all.

Making networking run on Linux desktops has always been IMO one of
the
reasons why it's not caught on. Stuff just shouldn't be this hard.


This is a red herring. The reason why Linux desktops have not caught
on
has nothing to do with the technical merits, or lack thereof. It's
entirely a business decision. Microsoft and various hardware
manufacturers, like Dell, have developed a vast ecosystem of VARs and
other support resources. There are great financial incentives for I.T.
support firms to promote the Windows ecosystem. There is no
counterpart
to Microsoft in the Linux world so there are no financial incentives
for
anyone to push Linux on the desktop. Microsoft and Dell cultivate
relationships with VARs and funnel business their way. Who does that
in
the Linux world? No one. Which large and influential organization
promotes Linux on desktops? No one.

If ease of installation has something to do with desktop adoption,
Windows would have been displaced long ago. Microsoft has a tremendous
advantage in the market because of the OEM relationships it has with
hardware vendors. Most people have no idea how difficult or easy
Windows
is to install because they never have to do it. It comes pre-loaded on
their computer. In corporate environments, there are many tools
designed
to make the mass deployment and management of Windows desktops
relatively pain-free so the complexity of Windows installation and
configuration is, again, hidden from people.



+1.

I am a Windows XP "orphan" on a Dell 3000 PC bought in 2004. Working
(slowly) to move to a new desktop PC running debian Linux as primary OS
with Windows 7 (likely under QEMU) if needed for a Windows-specific app.

My motivation in declining to take the easy route (moving to MS
Windows 7 / 10) is a combination of bloody-mindedness and love of all 
things

open source.

In addition to the powerful arguments provided by Clifford I., 
explaining Microsoft dominaiton, here are

three:

1. Another "iron grip" enjoyed by Microsoft is the MS Office product
suite (and related web-centric stuff) that keeps much of the world
shackled to the MS monolith. There really ISN'T any way to obtain MS
Office functionality elsewere. For a business that does business with
other businesses, lack of MS Office compatibility can be a big problem.
I have had to ask more than one sender to provide a PDF, after they had
blithely sent some MS-Office attachment or other to me. Scheduling
meetings with other organizations that use MS Outlook, can be another
pain for the Outlook-deprived  Thank goodness for the PDF standard !! My
plan in moving to debian Linux is to look for a good document editor
that uses the PDF format as its native representation. And of course
there is Open Office that (on Win XP at least) is ok, but hardly as
slick as equivalent MS product.

2. Another stumbling block for a Windows user looking to "divorce" MS,
is the need to choose a desktop GUI. Way too much ink has been spilt and
far too many pixels lit, in unproductive linux desktop flame wars.
Windows does away with all this productivity-killing confusion over
choice of desktop. Here, in helping me clarify my choice of desktop
software, is where GTALUG (again) provided enormous value. Some recent
discussion around desktops "Re: [GTALUG] Desktop swap" has led me to add
Fvwm (that uses X) as a first trial "minimalist" desktop, but still to
order the debian Linux DVDs with LXDE.

3. If someone isn't using a cloud-based email IMAP hosting service, but
instead using a POP3 / SMTP hosting service and keeping emails on local
disk (as I am), dropping Microsoft Windows means converting the local
MS-based email database to a new email client. Yes, Mozilla Thunderbird
can import emails from MS Outlook and MS Outlook Express (but only when
Thunderbird runs under Windows). But frankly, I have too much invested
in my precious 1.5 GB of email history to trust the standard Thunderbird
import function. So I have written my own C++ program to generate solid
conversion integrity checking for the email database conversion. Call me
paranoid. And this C++ program isn;t fiished yet.

* * *
* * *

The existence of the GTALUG has become a great comfort to me, on this
long road from Win XP to debian Linux. For example, because of GTALUG
advice, I'm going to use bash instead of MKSH, I doubled the RAM on the
new PC, and made other tweaks to the HW configuration, based on advice
from GTALUG members.

Presently I'm working with a distributor to get a quote on the parts for
a do-it-your-s

Re: [GTALUG] Raspberry PI wifi problem

[CLIFFORD ILKAY via talk]

On 2017-08-23 06:11 PM, Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote:

Hi all.

Making networking run on Linux desktops has always been IMO one of the 
reasons why it's not caught on. Stuff just shouldn't be this hard.


This is a red herring. The reason why Linux desktops have not caught on 
has nothing to do with the technical merits, or lack thereof. It's 
entirely a business decision. Microsoft and various hardware 
manufacturers, like Dell, have developed a vast ecosystem of VARs and 
other support resources. There are great financial incentives for I.T. 
support firms to promote the Windows ecosystem. There is no counterpart 
to Microsoft in the Linux world so there are no financial incentives for 
anyone to push Linux on the desktop. Microsoft and Dell cultivate 
relationships with VARs and funnel business their way. Who does that in 
the Linux world? No one. Which large and influential organization 
promotes Linux on desktops? No one.


If ease of installation has something to do with desktop adoption, 
Windows would have been displaced long ago. Microsoft has a tremendous 
advantage in the market because of the OEM relationships it has with 
hardware vendors. Most people have no idea how difficult or easy Windows 
is to install because they never have to do it. It comes pre-loaded on 
their computer. In corporate environments, there are many tools designed 
to make the mass deployment and management of Windows desktops 
relatively pain-free so the complexity of Windows installation and 
configuration is, again, hidden from people.


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Re: [GTALUG] Raspberry PI wifi problem

[Russell Reiter via talk]

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 6:11 PM, Evan Leibovitch via talk 
wrote:
> Hi all.
>
> Making networking run on Linux desktops has always been IMO one of the
> reasons why it's not caught on. Stuff just shouldn't be this hard.
>
> I have a RPi Model B running current Raspian, and a wifi dongle that
claims
> to run on it.

These instructions might help. Some driver updates from 2015 and source
links.

https://groenholdt.net/Computers/RaspberryPi/MediaTek-MT7601-USB-WIFI-on-the-Raspberry-Pi/MediaTek-MT7601-USB-WIFI-on-the-Raspberry-Pi.html

>
> `lsusb` reports it as
> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 148f:7601 Ralink Technology, Corp. MT7601U Wireless
> Adapter
>
> and `usb-devices` says:
> T: Bus=01 Lev=02 Prnt=02 Port=01 Cnt=02 Dev#= 4 Spd=480 MxCh= 0
> D: Ver= 2.01 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs= 1
> P: Vendor=148f ProdID=7601 Rev=00.00
> S: Manufacturer=MediaTek
> S: Product=802.11 n WLAN
> S: SerialNumber=1.0
> C: #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=80 MxPwr=160mA
> I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 8 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff Driver=(none)
>
> Now... even though it says "Driver=(none)" on that last line, `lsmod`
> reports:
> Module Size Used by
> [...]
> mt7601u 86636 0
> mac80211 650707 1 mt7601u
> cfg80211 525998 2 mac80211,mt7601u
> [...]
> snd_hwdep 6479 1 snd_usb_audio
> videodev 177702 3 uvcvideo,videobuf2_core,videobuf2_v4l2
> snd_usbmidi_lib 22479 1 snd_usb_audio
> snd_rawmidi 23727 1 snd_usbmidi_lib
> media 28994 2 uvcvideo,videodev
> rfkill 21373 2 cfg80211
> snd_seq_device 5266 1 snd_rawmidi
> snd_bcm2835 23131 0
> snd_pcm 97825 2 snd_usb_audio,snd_bcm2835
> snd_timer 22706 1 snd_pcm
> snd 68784 8
>
snd_hwdep,snd_usb_audio,snd_timer,snd_rawmidi,snd_usbmidi_lib,snd_seq_device,snd_bcm2835,snd_pcm
> bcm2835_gpiomem 3791 0
> uio_pdrv_genirq 3718 0
> uio 10166 1 uio_pdrv_genirq
> fixed 3029 0
> ip_tables 12512 0
> x_tables 20921 1 ip_tables
> ipv6 384391 18
>
> So there is a module called mt7201u being loaded yet it's not seen as the
> associated driver to this card in usb-devices and it's definitely not
> showing in ifconfig or iwconfig.
>
> Any suggestions on what I'm missing is greatly appreciated.
>
>
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>
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> Tw: el56
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Re: [GTALUG] Raspberry PI wifi problem

[James Knott via talk]

On 08/23/2017 06:11 PM, Evan Leibovitch via talk wrote:
> Making networking run on Linux desktops has always been IMO one of the
> reasons why it's not caught on. Stuff just shouldn't be this hard.
>

I've never had a problem getting networking to run on Linux.  In fact, I
find it's better than Windows.  The only problem I've had is trying to
set up a hot spot, as mentioned in another thread.

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[GTALUG] Raspberry PI wifi problem

[Evan Leibovitch via talk]

Hi all.

Making networking run on Linux desktops has always been IMO one of the
reasons why it's not caught on. Stuff just shouldn't be this hard.

I have a RPi Model B running current Raspian, and a wifi dongle that claims
to run on it.

`lsusb` reports it as
Bus 001 Device 004: ID 148f:7601 Ralink Technology, Corp. MT7601U Wireless
Adapter

and `usb-devices` says:
T:  Bus=01 Lev=02 Prnt=02 Port=01 Cnt=02 Dev#=  4 Spd=480 MxCh= 0
D:  Ver= 2.01 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS=64 #Cfgs=  1
P:  Vendor=148f ProdID=7601 Rev=00.00
S:  Manufacturer=MediaTek
S:  Product=802.11 n WLAN
S:  SerialNumber=1.0
C:  #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=80 MxPwr=160mA
I:  If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 8 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff Driver=(none)

Now... even though it says "Driver=(none)" on that last line, `lsmod`
reports:
Module  Size  Used by
[...]
mt7601u86636  0
mac80211  650707  1 mt7601u
cfg80211  525998  2 mac80211,mt7601u
[...]
snd_hwdep   6479  1 snd_usb_audio
videodev  177702  3 uvcvideo,videobuf2_core,videobuf2_v4l2
snd_usbmidi_lib22479  1 snd_usb_audio
snd_rawmidi23727  1 snd_usbmidi_lib
media  28994  2 uvcvideo,videodev
rfkill 21373  2 cfg80211
snd_seq_device  5266  1 snd_rawmidi
snd_bcm283523131  0
snd_pcm97825  2 snd_usb_audio,snd_bcm2835
snd_timer  22706  1 snd_pcm
snd68784  8
snd_hwdep,snd_usb_audio,snd_timer,snd_rawmidi,snd_usbmidi_lib,snd_seq_device,snd_bcm2835,snd_pcm

bcm2835_gpiomem 3791  0
uio_pdrv_genirq 3718  0
uio10166  1 uio_pdrv_genirq
fixed   3029  0
ip_tables  12512  0
x_tables   20921  1 ip_tables
ipv6  384391  18

So there is a module called mt7201u being loaded yet it's not seen as the
associated driver to this card in usb-devices and it's definitely not
showing in ifconfig or iwconfig.

Any suggestions on what I'm missing is greatly appreciated.


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