RE: Cap enhanced app
Hi: I peeked at the code and it looks like he sends the request to however WE Handles the request and then WE forwards the request to the synth, think that is what is going on. You can google to see if your synth allows for pitch changes and if it does contact AI Squared since I don't know if there is a way of working directly with the synth via a script without getting pretty deep. It works well with my Eloquence synth but I don't think I remember it working with the Microsoft synth and I think I remember the Microsoft synth supporting pitch changes but since I am so weak in this arena will just mention that googling or contacting a synth manufacturer is a good jump off point to find out what is possible. It is really nice to have my caps spoken in a higher pitch again and should be a basic feature of any screen reader - and usually is. PS: I had to turn off the speaking of caps in a higher pitch in the WE Control Panel for the Screen since it was really slowing down speech but the CapEnhance does not have this problem at all. Rick USA -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Don H via Talk Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 5:27 PM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Cap enhanced app Is the Cap Enhanced app supposed to raise the pitch on caps when using either the vocalizer or vocalizer Expressive speech syns? On my system it does not. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/ofbgmail%40mi. rr.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Cap enhanced app
Hi Rick, and this is for everyone too trying out CapEnhance, A couple of things in your note I'd like to respond to. First, I'm not sure if I've ever heard of a synthesizer which did not support pitch changes. If this were so, then, for the synthesizer in question, it would be impossible to change pitch on the fly using the speech parameters hotkeys. Does this actually ever happen, namely, that you cannot change pitch use thing those hotkeys? CapEnhance uses exactly the same method of changing pitch as the user does using hotkeys. Second, in my latest version of CapEnhance, I inserted a routine which temporarily disables both the screen and keyboard capitalization before speaking a cap and then resets them to their previous states. This was to address the problem you had with my earlier version of the app which produced choppy speech even with Eloquence. Of course, I'm no wizard, and who can know what effect the app will have with all of the various synthesizers, not to mention audio devices and their accompanying software. One thing I could do is produce a version of the app which allows for tone changes for caps along with pitch. Again, only real-world testing would prove its effectiveness. This app was my attempt to help you out in your difficulties, and, while I'm glad it works for you with Eloquence, I had serious doubts whether it would help everybody with all synthesizers. Smile Indeed, I have noticed a little delay when moving over caps using the Microsoft Speech Platform synthesizer. Ah, but this is how we learn and progress, isn't it? smile Thanks to you and everyone for the feedback, and please keep it coming. Best regards, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:51 AM To: 'Don H'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Cap enhanced app Hi: I peeked at the code and it looks like he sends the request to however WE Handles the request and then WE forwards the request to the synth, think that is what is going on. You can google to see if your synth allows for pitch changes and if it does Contac t AI Squared since I don't know if there is a way of working directly with the synth via a script without getting pretty deep. It works well with my Eloquence synth but I don't think I remember it working with the Microsoft synth and I think I remember the Microsoft synth supporting pitch changes but since I am so weak in this arena will just mention that googling or contacting a synth manufacturer is a good jump off point to find out what is possible. It is really nice to have my caps spoken in a higher pitch again and should be a basic feature of any screen reader - and usually is. PS: I had to turn off the speaking of caps in a higher pitch in the WE Control Panel for the Screen since it was really slowing down speech but the CapEnhance does not have this problem at all. Rick USA -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Don H via Talk Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 5:27 PM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Cap enhanced app Is the Cap Enhanced app supposed to raise the pitch on caps when using either the vocalizer or vocalizer Expressive speech syns? On my system it does not. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/ofbgmail%40mi. rr.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rod_hutton%40h otmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Cap enhanced app
Hi Rod: That was a good script and you approached it in a good manner - don't ReInvent the wheel just make it roll better. There are indeed variables beyond your control that only some large scale testing by others can provide feedback on. As you mention, I do think most synths provide for pitch changes but since I have not researched it I cant say for sure - so didn't. I actually forgot that a sound card and the drivers might impact this as well and the combinations of synths and sound drivers, cards, on many peoples machines will vary almost at every client machine. So, the more feedback you get, and hopefully information about synths and sound cards, the better. Either you can have folks do the research about synth pitch or you can try and do it yourself but it will need to be done me thinks. As for sound cards and drivers I don't know, but don't think, they should be a problem since they all respond to pitch changes or there wouldn't be music so it depends on whether AI Squared is providing the necessary hooks to the various synths, if that is how it is done, and how the target synth handles pitch changes in their engine - likely from a performance standpoint as you noted with the Microsoft Test. Anyway, I cant thank you enough for this little app since it takes away one of those annoyances that just add up and up and up if you spend hours and hours and hours working with things you need to identify as having specific letters capitalized. Rick USA -Original Message- From: Rod Hutton [mailto:rod_hut...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 6:48 AM To: 'Rick Thomas'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Cap enhanced app Hi Rick, and this is for everyone too trying out CapEnhance, A couple of things in your note I'd like to respond to. First, I'm not sure if I've ever heard of a synthesizer which did not support pitch changes. If this were so, then, for the synthesizer in question, it would be impossible to change pitch on the fly using the speech parameters hotkeys. Does this actually ever happen, namely, that you cannot change pitch use thing those hotkeys? CapEnhance uses exactly the same method of changing pitch as the user does using hotkeys. Second, in my latest version of CapEnhance, I inserted a routine which temporarily disables both the screen and keyboard capitalization before speaking a cap and then resets them to their previous states. This was to address the problem you had with my earlier version of the app which produced choppy speech even with Eloquence. Of course, I'm no wizard, and who can know what effect the app will have with all of the various synthesizers, not to mention audio devices and their accompanying software. One thing I could do is produce a version of the app which allows for tone changes for caps along with pitch. Again, only real-world testing would prove its effectiveness. This app was my attempt to help you out in your difficulties, and, while I'm glad it works for you with Eloquence, I had serious doubts whether it would help everybody with all synthesizers. Smile Indeed, I have noticed a little delay when moving over caps using the Microsoft Speech Platform synthesizer. Ah, but this is how we learn and progress, isn't it? smile Thanks to you and everyone for the feedback, and please keep it coming. Best regards, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:51 AM To: 'Don H'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Cap enhanced app Hi: I peeked at the code and it looks like he sends the request to however WE Handles the request and then WE forwards the request to the synth, think that is what is going on. You can google to see if your synth allows for pitch changes and if it does Contac t AI Squared since I don't know if there is a way of working directly with the synth via a script without getting pretty deep. It works well with my Eloquence synth but I don't think I remember it working with the Microsoft synth and I think I remember the Microsoft synth supporting pitch changes but since I am so weak in this arena will just mention that googling or contacting a synth manufacturer is a good jump off point to find out what is possible. It is really nice to have my caps spoken in a higher pitch again and should be a basic feature of any screen reader - and usually is. PS: I had to turn off the speaking of caps in a higher pitch in the WE Control Panel for the Screen since it was really slowing down speech but the CapEnhance does not have this problem at all. Rick USA -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Don H via Talk Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 5:27 PM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Cap enhanced app Is the Cap Enhanced app supposed to raise the pitch on caps when using either the vocalizer or vocalizer Expressiv
Re: Cap enhanced app
Well, Rod, if you have never heard about any synths not supporting pitch changing, then your dreamy days are long gone. As a matter of fact, there is a load of synths on the market, who do not support any pitching. The whole series of Scansoft voices, and some of the SAPI voices from other manufacturers. Think, but cannot confirm it on this computer, that I had trouble with the SAPI voices Mike and Mary from Microsoft. The pitch support has nothing to do with the sound card itself. You try the same voice on as many sound cards you want, if the synth manufacturer did not prepare his voice for pitching, it simply cannot be pitched. Not with WE, nor with NVDA, Jaws or any other software. The pitching has to be hard coded into the very core of the voice itself. What's more, if you try to set a pitch value on a voice that does not support pitching, and your script does not make particular error checking on the operation, your app will crash. Since I have not yet tried your app, I do not know whether this is the risk with your code. But if you haven't done so yet, you are encouraged very strongly to make special error handling on the part that attempts to adjust the pitch of the synth. Even the RealSpeak voice that came with my Window-Eyes, does not support pitch. So like I said, your dreamy days would not keep long. Yes, Eloquence, ESpeak and Dectalk all supports pitching. If my memory serves me right, I seem to remember that the Vocalizer voices had some limitations, whilst the Vocalizer Express series had pitch support. But I am not privileged to use the Vocalizer series, so cannot convirm that very statement - it was taken from memory of some postings I saw back in time on the list. In addition, some voices does have a rather wierd kind of support. Theire pitch varies so much, that they get bothersome in listening to, even with slight adjustment of the pitch. It all amounts up to the reason, why many users may find a beeping sound for the Caps more helpful. Or, some screen readers offer you the chance to have the word "cap" or equivalents, spoken in front of the capitalized character. If all voices had supported the pitch setting, there hardly would have been any usage for such alternatives. But like already stated, the world of speech synths, is flooded with voices with no pitch adjustment at all. David On 3/26/2015 11:47 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: Hi Rick, and this is for everyone too trying out CapEnhance, A couple of things in your note I'd like to respond to. First, I'm not sure if I've ever heard of a synthesizer which did not support pitch changes. If this were so, then, for the synthesizer in question, it would be impossible to change pitch on the fly using the speech parameters hotkeys. Does this actually ever happen, namely, that you cannot change pitch use thing those hotkeys? CapEnhance uses exactly the same method of changing pitch as the user does using hotkeys. Second, in my latest version of CapEnhance, I inserted a routine which temporarily disables both the screen and keyboard capitalization before speaking a cap and then resets them to their previous states. This was to address the problem you had with my earlier version of the app which produced choppy speech even with Eloquence. Of course, I'm no wizard, and who can know what effect the app will have with all of the various synthesizers, not to mention audio devices and their accompanying software. One thing I could do is produce a version of the app which allows for tone changes for caps along with pitch. Again, only real-world testing would prove its effectiveness. This app was my attempt to help you out in your difficulties, and, while I'm glad it works for you with Eloquence, I had serious doubts whether it would help everybody with all synthesizers. Smile Indeed, I have noticed a little delay when moving over caps using the Microsoft Speech Platform synthesizer. Ah, but this is how we learn and progress, isn't it? smile Thanks to you and everyone for the feedback, and please keep it coming. Best regards, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:51 AM To: 'Don H'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Cap enhanced app Hi: I peeked at the code and it looks like he sends the request to however WE Handles the request and then WE forwards the request to the synth, think that is what is going on. You can google to see if your synth allows for pitch changes and if it does Contac t AI Squared since I don't know if there is a way of working directly with the synth via a script without getting pretty deep. It works well with my Eloquence synth but I don't think I remember it working with the Microsoft synth and I think I remember the Microsoft synth supporting pitch changes but since I am so weak in this arena will just mention that googling or conta
Re: Cap enhanced app
Rick, The fact that a sound card can play music, has absolutely nothing to do with its capabilities of adjusting the pitch of a voice. Playing music, the sound card merely plays back a pre-recorded sound file. The sound file can be pitch-adjusted, since you can affect what bits are sent to the sound card. For instance, a music file can have its frequency bits altered, and it wil affect the pitch to a certain degree. Sound that is a playback of the recordings of some sort, can be altered in the playback software, not on the harddware of the sound card itself. Synthetic speech, although partially being pre-recorded snip-its of sound, is a whole other chapter of that story. The voice does not make use of any music playback software - as you well are aware of. It has its own dedicated software, built into the synth itself. If the manufacturer has not built in pitch support with this software, no matter what your software, the screen reader, or any app attempt to send for pitch-adjusting calls, the voice will not be pitched. No matter what sound card you use, or the rest of your computer specs. Its like with your car. If it hass no hook on the rear end, you cannot have it pull a caravan or trailer. Neither has this to do with any sound card driver. The pitch support of a voice, is solely a matter of what is built-in with the sound library of that voice. Numerous synths on the market has no support for pitching, and this cannot be altered by anyone else but the manufacturer of that very synth directly. Like it or not, but your app, or other screen readers will be out of luck in such cases. It's been one of the missings of many a synth up through the computer history. I even have quite a number of voices available here, running under a handful different software. Try what you want, they do not support pitching. Simply fact stated. David On 3/26/2015 12:05 PM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote: Hi Rod: That was a good script and you approached it in a good manner - don't ReInvent the wheel just make it roll better. There are indeed variables beyond your control that only some large scale testing by others can provide feedback on. As you mention, I do think most synths provide for pitch changes but since I have not researched it I cant say for sure - so didn't. I actually forgot that a sound card and the drivers might impact this as well and the combinations of synths and sound drivers, cards, on many peoples machines will vary almost at every client machine. So, the more feedback you get, and hopefully information about synths and sound cards, the better. Either you can have folks do the research about synth pitch or you can try and do it yourself but it will need to be done me thinks. As for sound cards and drivers I don't know, but don't think, they should be a problem since they all respond to pitch changes or there wouldn't be music so it depends on whether AI Squared is providing the necessary hooks to the various synths, if that is how it is done, and how the target synth handles pitch changes in their engine - likely from a performance standpoint as you noted with the Microsoft Test. Anyway, I cant thank you enough for this little app since it takes away one of those annoyances that just add up and up and up if you spend hours and hours and hours working with things you need to identify as having specific letters capitalized. Rick USA -Original Message- From: Rod Hutton [mailto:rod_hut...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 6:48 AM To: 'Rick Thomas'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Cap enhanced app Hi Rick, and this is for everyone too trying out CapEnhance, A couple of things in your note I'd like to respond to. First, I'm not sure if I've ever heard of a synthesizer which did not support pitch changes. If this were so, then, for the synthesizer in question, it would be impossible to change pitch on the fly using the speech parameters hotkeys. Does this actually ever happen, namely, that you cannot change pitch use thing those hotkeys? CapEnhance uses exactly the same method of changing pitch as the user does using hotkeys. Second, in my latest version of CapEnhance, I inserted a routine which temporarily disables both the screen and keyboard capitalization before speaking a cap and then resets them to their previous states. This was to address the problem you had with my earlier version of the app which produced choppy speech even with Eloquence. Of course, I'm no wizard, and who can know what effect the app will have with all of the various synthesizers, not to mention audio devices and their accompanying software. One thing I could do is produce a version of the app which allows for tone changes for caps along with pitch. Again, only real-world testing would prove its effectiveness. This app was my attempt to help you out in your difficulties, and, while I'm glad it works for you with Eloquence, I had serious doubts whether it would help everybo
RE: Cap enhanced app
Hi David: Actually, I didn't know that. I am not big on accessibility or sound or anything at the lower levels and pretty much do Application Programming for Business Systems. So, it is the synth that handles the pitch and the sound card is not involved in the Process to any great extent? Is that what you are saying? If that is the case the best bet might be to research the various synth features to see if they support engine pitch changes. That is also why I let Rod build the script - it is not in my technical wheel house. So, you guys might build a list of synths that allow for pitch changes and those that don't and then the community would know which ones they might want to look at without slogging through all of them guessing. I can say Eloquence does since I am using it with Rods Script and it works quite well indeed. So there is one paid synth you can put in the "Supported" category. Rick USA -Original Message- From: David [mailto:trailerda...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 7:43 AM To: Rick Thomas; Window-Eyes Discussion List; 'Rod Hutton' Subject: Re: Cap enhanced app Rick, The fact that a sound card can play music, has absolutely nothing to do with its capabilities of adjusting the pitch of a voice. Playing music, the sound card merely plays back a pre-recorded sound file. The sound file can be pitch-adjusted, since you can affect what bits are sent to the sound card. For instance, a music file can have its frequency bits altered, and it wil affect the pitch to a certain degree. Sound that is a playback of the recordings of some sort, can be altered in the playback software, not on the harddware of the sound card itself. Synthetic speech, although partially being pre-recorded snip-its of sound, is a whole other chapter of that story. The voice does not make use of any music playback software - as you well are aware of. It has its own dedicated software, built into the synth itself. If the manufacturer has not built in pitch support with this software, no matter what your software, the screen reader, or any app attempt to send for pitch-adjusting calls, the voice will not be pitched. No matter what sound card you use, or the rest of your computer specs. Its like with your car. If it hass no hook on the rear end, you cannot have it pull a caravan or trailer. Neither has this to do with any sound card driver. The pitch support of a voice, is solely a matter of what is built-in with the sound library of that voice. Numerous synths on the market has no support for pitching, and this cannot be altered by anyone else but the manufacturer of that very synth directly. Like it or not, but your app, or other screen readers will be out of luck in such cases. It's been one of the missings of many a synth up through the computer history. I even have quite a number of voices available here, running under a handful different software. Try what you want, they do not support pitching. Simply fact stated. David On 3/26/2015 12:05 PM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote: > Hi Rod: That was a good script and you approached it in a good manner - > don't ReInvent the wheel just make it roll better. > There are indeed variables beyond your control that only some large scale > testing by others can provide feedback on. > As you mention, I do think most synths provide for pitch changes but since I > have not researched it I cant say for sure - so didn't. > I actually forgot that a sound card and the drivers might impact this as > well and the combinations of synths and sound drivers, cards, on many > peoples machines will vary almost at every client machine. > So, the more feedback you get, and hopefully information about synths and > sound cards, the better. > Either you can have folks do the research about synth pitch or you can try > and do it yourself but it will need to be done me thinks. > As for sound cards and drivers I don't know, but don't think, they should be > a problem since they all respond to pitch changes or there wouldn't be music > so it depends on whether AI Squared is providing the necessary hooks to the > various synths, if that is how it is done, and how the target synth handles > pitch changes in their engine - likely from a performance standpoint as you > noted with the Microsoft Test. > Anyway, I cant thank you enough for this little app since it takes away one > of those annoyances that just add up and up and up if you spend hours and > hours and hours working with things you need to identify as having specific > letters capitalized. > Rick USA > > -Original Message- > From: Rod Hutton [mailto:rod_hut...@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 6:48 AM > To: 'Rick Thomas'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > Subject: RE: Cap enhanced app > > Hi Rick, and this is for everyone too trying out CapEnhance, > > A couple of things in your note I'd like to respond to. > First, I'm not sure if I've ever heard of a synthesizer which did not > support pi
RE: Cap enhanced app
Hi, The older vocalizer engine does not support pitch. Vocalizer Expressive does. You could send pitch changes to the older Vocalizer voice and it'll do nothing as far as responding to the pitch change. Same thing goes for some synthesizers, they do not support tone changes, such as the cepstral voices through SAPI. Chris Window-Eyes Product Support Ai Squared 725 Airport North Office Park Fort Wayne, IN 46825 (802) 362-3612 www.aisquared.com -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 6:48 AM To: 'Rick Thomas'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Cap enhanced app Hi Rick, and this is for everyone too trying out CapEnhance, A couple of things in your note I'd like to respond to. First, I'm not sure if I've ever heard of a synthesizer which did not support pitch changes. If this were so, then, for the synthesizer in question, it would be impossible to change pitch on the fly using the speech parameters hotkeys. Does this actually ever happen, namely, that you cannot change pitch use thing those hotkeys? CapEnhance uses exactly the same method of changing pitch as the user does using hotkeys. Second, in my latest version of CapEnhance, I inserted a routine which temporarily disables both the screen and keyboard capitalization before speaking a cap and then resets them to their previous states. This was to address the problem you had with my earlier version of the app which produced choppy speech even with Eloquence. Of course, I'm no wizard, and who can know what effect the app will have with all of the various synthesizers, not to mention audio devices and their accompanying software. One thing I could do is produce a version of the app which allows for tone changes for caps along with pitch. Again, only real-world testing would prove its effectiveness. This app was my attempt to help you out in your difficulties, and, while I'm glad it works for you with Eloquence, I had serious doubts whether it would help everybody with all synthesizers. Smile Indeed, I have noticed a little delay when moving over caps using the Microsoft Speech Platform synthesizer. Ah, but this is how we learn and progress, isn't it? smile Thanks to you and everyone for the feedback, and please keep it coming. Best regards, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:51 AM To: 'Don H'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Cap enhanced app Hi: I peeked at the code and it looks like he sends the request to however WE Handles the request and then WE forwards the request to the synth, think that is what is going on. You can google to see if your synth allows for pitch changes and if it does Contac t AI Squared since I don't know if there is a way of working directly with the synth via a script without getting pretty deep. It works well with my Eloquence synth but I don't think I remember it working with the Microsoft synth and I think I remember the Microsoft synth supporting pitch changes but since I am so weak in this arena will just mention that googling or contacting a synth manufacturer is a good jump off point to find out what is possible. It is really nice to have my caps spoken in a higher pitch again and should be a basic feature of any screen reader - and usually is. PS: I had to turn off the speaking of caps in a higher pitch in the WE Control Panel for the Screen since it was really slowing down speech but the CapEnhance does not have this problem at all. Rick USA -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Don H via Talk Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 5:27 PM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Cap enhanced app Is the Cap Enhanced app supposed to raise the pitch on caps when using either the vocalizer or vocalizer Expressive speech syns? On my system it does not. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/ofbgmail%40mi. rr.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rod_hutton%40h otmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http
RE: Cap enhanced app
Vocalizer doesn't support pitch changes, vocalizer Expressive does. Thanks, Chris Window-Eyes Product Support Ai Squared 725 Airport North Office Park Fort Wayne, IN 46825 (802) 362-3612 www.aisquared.com -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Don H via Talk Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 5:27 PM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Cap enhanced app Is the Cap Enhanced app supposed to raise the pitch on caps when using either the vocalizer or vocalizer Expressive speech syns? On my system it does not. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/cgrabowski%40aisquared.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Cap enhanced app
Hi Chriss: There is 2 well defined candidates for the "Supported" and "Unsupported" list me thinks. Rick USA -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Chris Grabowski via Talk Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 8:36 AM To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Cap enhanced app Vocalizer doesn't support pitch changes, vocalizer Expressive does. Thanks, Chris Window-Eyes Product Support Ai Squared 725 Airport North Office Park Fort Wayne, IN 46825 (802) 362-3612 www.aisquared.com -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Don H via Talk Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 5:27 PM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Cap enhanced app Is the Cap Enhanced app supposed to raise the pitch on caps when using either the vocalizer or vocalizer Expressive speech syns? On my system it does not. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/cgrabowski%40a isquared.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/ofbgmail%40mi. rr.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: nas readynas and synology ui with window-eyes
I have an older readynas that has 4 bays. Currently I have 8tb in it. Because of redundancy, 5.5 is available. I think I got it in 2009 and its been running strong ever sense. Chris Window-Eyes Product Support Ai Squared 725 Airport North Office Park Fort Wayne, IN 46825 (802) 362-3612 www.aisquared.com -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ruby via Talk Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 4:02 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: nas readynas and synology ui with window-eyes I am shopping around for a good nas, any suggestions? It would be backup and media server and bunch of other things. I was looking at readynas pro 4 and synology 1815+ Any suggestions, I know the ui is good with readynas pro 4, but not sure about sinology with window-eyes. Thanks. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/cgrabowski%40aisquared.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Cap enhanced app
Soo.. I'm assuming that the cap enhance ap doesn't work at all with Vocalizer, the old version. www.harmonicaworkshops.com www.woodeneyemusic.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
CapEnhance Idea
Hi Rod: Likely you have already thought of it but one idea is to list the supported synths in a file, think we likes ini, and then when your script is started check which synth is active on the client machine in the script, if it can be done using the WE Object Model. If so use the pitch or tone approach, if not then use the beeper approach. Just a thought but I am guessing you have already thought of it. None the less your app fills a nitch that was driving me crazy for a few weeks and, if there are other programmers where caps are important, perhaps them too. Rick USA ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: CapEnhance Idea
Might be easier to just let the user decide, let them change pitch, tone, rate or even beep, or a combination of all 3. If there was an option to change the synthesizer, it would likely be too slow. Chris Window-Eyes Product Support Ai Squared 725 Airport North Office Park Fort Wayne, IN 46825 (802) 362-3612 www.aisquared.com -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 8:56 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: CapEnhance Idea Hi Rod: Likely you have already thought of it but one idea is to list the supported synths in a file, think we likes ini, and then when your script is started check which synth is active on the client machine in the script, if it can be done using the WE Object Model. If so use the pitch or tone approach, if not then use the beeper approach. Just a thought but I am guessing you have already thought of it. None the less your app fills a nitch that was driving me crazy for a few weeks and, if there are other programmers where caps are important, perhaps them too. Rick USA ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/cgrabowski%40aisquared.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: window eyes 9.1 demo problem
Hi, The 60 day evaluation copy uses a specific serial number that is authorized for Dectalk, Eloquence, Vocalizer and Vocalizer expressive. The serial number is GWWE60EVAL if you go to: http://www.gwmicro.com/voices and drop that serial number in you can see the synthesizers that are authorized. So Window-eyes will run for 60 days with any premium synthesizer. Hope this helps clear up the confusion. The Window-eyes offer for users of Microsoft Office uses a generic GWWEOffice serial number. This serial number is not authorized for the premium synthesizers. This is why if you switch to eloquence and are running the Window-eyes offer, Window-eyes turns into a demo if Eloquence isn't purchased. If a user purchases Eloquence they are sent a unique serial number that is authorized for Eloquence. Chris Window-Eyes Product Support Ai Squared 725 Airport North Office Park Fort Wayne, IN 46825 (802) 362-3612 www.aisquared.com -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of net bat via Talk Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 4:39 PM To: joseph.nor...@gmail.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: window eyes 9.1 demo problem a trial version will run as a 30 minute demo if you are useing the decaccess32 synthisizer with a new installation. even a full version will run as a demo if you are useing the default decaccess32 synth that it installs if you don't have a license for this synthisizer. once you change to another free or paid voice then it will run as a trial or full paid version of w e. i found this out with my winbook, which had never had a copy of w e installed on it. my desktop i have only upgraded. i did not unoinstall and start over. so the decaccess32 is still working as a full version. -Original Message- From: Joseph Norton via Talk Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 3:29 AM To: Christopher Hallsworth via Talk ; Loy ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: window eyes 9.1 demo problem Hi The Window-Eyes demo is now a timed evaluation which is supposed to run for 60 days on a computer that has never had the evaluation on it. If the computer has ever had a Window-Eyes evaluation on it, it should still run as a 30-minute demo version. On Windows 7, as long as the machine is fully rebooted, the demo should give you another 30 minutes. If you just log out of Windows and log back in, it immediately stops working--well, more or less because it keeps telling you it will shut down in less than 5 minutes. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/cgrabowski%40aisquared.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: CapEnhance Idea
Hi Rick, Yes, it's possible. Smile Thanks, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 8:56 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: CapEnhance Idea Hi Rod: Likely you have already thought of it but one idea is to list the supported synths in a file, think we likes ini, and then when your script is started check which synth is active on the client machine in the script, if it can be done using the WE Object Model. If so use the pitch or tone approach, if not then use the beeper approach. Just a thought but I am guessing you have already thought of it. None the less your app fills a nitch that was driving me crazy for a few weeks and, if there are other programmers where caps are important, perhaps them too. Rick USA ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rod_hutton%40h otmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
WE 9.1.0 and powerpoint not reading any information
Hello, I just tried to open a power point file with power point 2013 and WE 9.1.0. Even if the file is not in protected view, I get no feedback, I can’t move between slides, and WE does not read anything going on with that application. Any ideas on how to fix it? Thanks, Darrell ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: No attachments issue
I was told you do alt f, s a, and tab to okay. Pam.I think that's it; I just do it without thinking, practically, so I hope I said it all correctly. -Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 5:17 PM To: 'Smith, Veronica' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: No attachments issue Hi Veronica, The keys you should press are: Alt, all by itself F, all by itself Then, down arrow to Save attachments, and press Enter. Then you will be in another dialog where you should just press Enter, since the default button is Ok. Then, another dialog will open allowing you to select where to save the attachments. Hth, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Smith, Veronica via Talk Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 4:40 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: No attachments issue Hello Here is the problem I am having. I know there is an attachment, several have told me it really does exist, however my computer keeps saying, "no attachment found." The technology specialist at the NM commission for the blind, Curtis chong suggested two different approaches for me to retrieve it. 1. He sugested that after I open the email, I hit Alt F, then e then I. what ever this is suppose to do, it just takes me back to the menu. 2. 2. He suggested that I open the message, press Alt, arrow down to "Save attachments" hit enter. Needless to say, that won't work either. Infact, if the message is open, it just makes a metallic sound. Dink. I am so frustrated. Any suggestions for me. veronica ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rod_hutton%40h otmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/geodom%40optonline.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: CapEnhance Idea
Basically, this discussion is moving more into a level that would fit the Scripting list the more. But one issue is that you don't know whether a synth has pitch support, until you have tried it out, or have access to the specs of that particular synth. Of course, your script can try to set the pitch, and if it returns an error - let it change to another synth, or beeping mode. Trouble is that some synths will throw an error on you, others will just mutually dispose the pitch call. So even an error check will not always be reliable for determining the pitch support of the actual voice. For another thing, even if you get a list of all mainstream synths, like you Rick suggested, I am ready to make your dreams a bit gloomy. Mind you, there is quite an amount of manufacturers who only do locale synths, or may let their International synths support certain features, that the locale synths don't; and visaversa. In short, even with a list of available voices, you have no guarantee that your app won't run into some sort of a locale voice that does not support the feature, and could cause trouble in such an approach. Had to deal with a whole series of voices of the locale kind, when I built the Extended Dictionary, and had to call for certain features. All in all, the only safe way, is to let the user do the choice. Make it easy for the user to get to the setting, and make good info on the matter of non-pitching voices. That is, for instance both through the App Central introduction, the help screen of the app, and even when changing to Pitch-adjustment, let the user be informed that not all voices do support the pitching, and hence let him be informed that if his voice would happen to be in this group, he will have no effect of the pitch setting. A global list of voices supporting and not supporting the different features, is a bit of an undertake. OK, it may be possible to collect such a list, but it would take time, and may likely not be very reliable. Even you could experience cases where a SAPI4 voice would not support the pitching, whereas the SAPI5 edition of the same voice will. The landscape of it all is quite a mess, agreed, but that is the way things stand. Sorry for being a "gloomer" here, but a few years experience in voice handling has taught me a couple of lessons. David On 3/26/2015 2:04 PM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote: Might be easier to just let the user decide, let them change pitch, tone, rate or even beep, or a combination of all 3. If there was an option to change the synthesizer, it would likely be too slow. Chris Window-Eyes Product Support Ai Squared 725 Airport North Office Park Fort Wayne, IN 46825 (802) 362-3612 www.aisquared.com -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 8:56 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: CapEnhance Idea Hi Rod: Likely you have already thought of it but one idea is to list the supported synths in a file, think we likes ini, and then when your script is started check which synth is active on the client machine in the script, if it can be done using the WE Object Model. If so use the pitch or tone approach, if not then use the beeper approach. Just a thought but I am guessing you have already thought of it. None the less your app fills a nitch that was driving me crazy for a few weeks and, if there are other programmers where caps are important, perhaps them too. Rick USA ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/cgrabowski%40aisquared.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/trailerdavid%40hotmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.w
Re: Cap enhanced app
Yes, Rick. All the feature handling of a voice, is done inside the synth engine itself, and has nothing to do with any hardware or driver of the computer. True, sometimes disabling certain features of your hardware, like sound card enhancements, will improve your speech responsiveness or quality. But that is simpy due to the fact that such features could conflict or slow down the processing of the data thrown on the sound cardby the speech engine. Such interference should be avoided, and that's why you are encouraged to turn off enhancing features of your hardware. In its very basic, look on it this way. The screen reader sends some text to the Speech engine. The engine converts it into speech, made up of a line of tiny pieces of sound. This chain of sound, now is being sent to your sound card, which sees it just like a music file, and plays it back to you through the speakers. All the text-to-speech processing, including all speed, pitch and tone settings, is handled directly inside the speech engine. Usually, this engine is a piece of software directly inside your computer. If you are using a hardware synth, the software has been burned onto an EProm inside the hardware box. The technology is exactly the same, only difference is the physical media for storing the software, and the factual connection method. A couple of years ago, I wrote a quite extensive article on the matter of processing text-to-speech data, and how a speech synth is basically built up. It was posted on the GW info list, and you may find it in the archives. For those who does not want the hazzle of searching archives, and who still want to dive a bit more into the matter, write me off-list and I can mail you a Word-document version of the article. It is only dealing with the very top of the iceberg, but still is about 14 pages long. Does that give an idea about the high-tech issue of voicing text? Smile. Good thing that we have a set of easy switches provided through the screen reader, to handle the individual settings of the synth. Smile. True, there does exist a few standards for the interface of a synth, like the SAPI standard. But they are somehow vague, and what works for one synth, may not work for another. Even what works for one voice, may differ from another voice, even inside the very same synth. Make perfect setup of one Microsoft voice, switch to another Microsoft voice, and you can start all over, should you want the best results. Enjoy. David On 3/26/2015 1:04 PM, Rick Thomas wrote: Hi David: Actually, I didn't know that. I am not big on accessibility or sound or anything at the lower levels and pretty much do Application Programming for Business Systems. So, it is the synth that handles the pitch and the sound card is not involved in the Process to any great extent? Is that what you are saying? If that is the case the best bet might be to research the various synth features to see if they support engine pitch changes. That is also why I let Rod build the script - it is not in my technical wheel house. So, you guys might build a list of synths that allow for pitch changes and those that don't and then the community would know which ones they might want to look at without slogging through all of them guessing. I can say Eloquence does since I am using it with Rods Script and it works quite well indeed. So there is one paid synth you can put in the "Supported" category. Rick USA -Original Message- From: David [mailto:trailerda...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 7:43 AM To: Rick Thomas; Window-Eyes Discussion List; 'Rod Hutton' Subject: Re: Cap enhanced app Rick, The fact that a sound card can play music, has absolutely nothing to do with its capabilities of adjusting the pitch of a voice. Playing music, the sound card merely plays back a pre-recorded sound file. The sound file can be pitch-adjusted, since you can affect what bits are sent to the sound card. For instance, a music file can have its frequency bits altered, and it wil affect the pitch to a certain degree. Sound that is a playback of the recordings of some sort, can be altered in the playback software, not on the harddware of the sound card itself. Synthetic speech, although partially being pre-recorded snip-its of sound, is a whole other chapter of that story. The voice does not make use of any music playback software - as you well are aware of. It has its own dedicated software, built into the synth itself. If the manufacturer has not built in pitch support with this software, no matter what your software, the screen reader, or any app attempt to send for pitch-adjusting calls, the voice will not be pitched. No matter what sound card you use, or the rest of your computer specs. Its like with your car. If it hass no hook on the rear end, you cannot have it pull a caravan or trailer. Neither has this to do with any sound card driver. The pitch support of a voice, is solely a matter of what is
RE: Cap enhanced app
Hi David and thanks for the info. Later: Rick USA -Original Message- From: David [mailto:trailerda...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 11:13 AM To: Rick Thomas; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Rod Hutton' Subject: Re: Cap enhanced app Yes, Rick. All the feature handling of a voice, is done inside the synth engine itself, and has nothing to do with any hardware or driver of the computer. True, sometimes disabling certain features of your hardware, like sound card enhancements, will improve your speech responsiveness or quality. But that is simpy due to the fact that such features could conflict or slow down the processing of the data thrown on the sound cardby the speech engine. Such interference should be avoided, and that's why you are encouraged to turn off enhancing features of your hardware. In its very basic, look on it this way. The screen reader sends some text to the Speech engine. The engine converts it into speech, made up of a line of tiny pieces of sound. This chain of sound, now is being sent to your sound card, which sees it just like a music file, and plays it back to you through the speakers. All the text-to-speech processing, including all speed, pitch and tone settings, is handled directly inside the speech engine. Usually, this engine is a piece of software directly inside your computer. If you are using a hardware synth, the software has been burned onto an EProm inside the hardware box. The technology is exactly the same, only difference is the physical media for storing the software, and the factual connection method. A couple of years ago, I wrote a quite extensive article on the matter of processing text-to-speech data, and how a speech synth is basically built up. It was posted on the GW info list, and you may find it in the archives. For those who does not want the hazzle of searching archives, and who still want to dive a bit more into the matter, write me off-list and I can mail you a Word-document version of the article. It is only dealing with the very top of the iceberg, but still is about 14 pages long. Does that give an idea about the high-tech issue of voicing text? Smile. Good thing that we have a set of easy switches provided through the screen reader, to handle the individual settings of the synth. Smile. True, there does exist a few standards for the interface of a synth, like the SAPI standard. But they are somehow vague, and what works for one synth, may not work for another. Even what works for one voice, may differ from another voice, even inside the very same synth. Make perfect setup of one Microsoft voice, switch to another Microsoft voice, and you can start all over, should you want the best results. Enjoy. David On 3/26/2015 1:04 PM, Rick Thomas wrote: > Hi David: > Actually, I didn't know that. > I am not big on accessibility or sound or anything at the lower levels and > pretty much do Application Programming for Business Systems. > So, it is the synth that handles the pitch and the sound card is not > involved in the Process to any great extent? > Is that what you are saying? > If that is the case the best bet might be to research the various synth > features to see if they support engine pitch changes. > That is also why I let Rod build the script - it is not in my technical > wheel house. > So, you guys might build a list of synths that allow for pitch changes and > those that don't and then the community would know which ones they might > want to look at without slogging through all of them guessing. > I can say Eloquence does since I am using it with Rods Script and it works > quite well indeed. > So there is one paid synth you can put in the "Supported" category. > Rick USA > > -Original Message- > From: David [mailto:trailerda...@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 7:43 AM > To: Rick Thomas; Window-Eyes Discussion List; 'Rod Hutton' > Subject: Re: Cap enhanced app > > Rick, > The fact that a sound card can play music, has absolutely nothing to do > with its capabilities of adjusting the pitch of a voice. Playing music, > the sound card merely plays back a pre-recorded sound file. The sound > file can be pitch-adjusted, since you can affect what bits are sent to > the sound card. For instance, a music file can have its frequency bits > altered, and it wil affect the pitch to a certain degree. Sound that is > a playback of the recordings of some sort, can be altered in the > playback software, not on the harddware of the sound card itself. > > Synthetic speech, although partially being pre-recorded snip-its of > sound, is a whole other chapter of that story. The voice does not make > use of any music playback software - as you well are aware of. It has > its own dedicated software, built into the synth itself. If the > manufacturer has not built in pitch support with this software, no > matter what your software, the screen reader, or any app attempt to send > for pitch-adju
RE: CapEnhance Idea
And that is why I do business apps and like to leave this stuff whose folks whose skill set fall into this wheel house. Rick USA -Original Message- From: David [mailto:trailerda...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 10:57 AM To: Chris Grabowski; Window-Eyes Discussion List; Rick Thomas Subject: Re: CapEnhance Idea Basically, this discussion is moving more into a level that would fit the Scripting list the more. But one issue is that you don't know whether a synth has pitch support, until you have tried it out, or have access to the specs of that particular synth. Of course, your script can try to set the pitch, and if it returns an error - let it change to another synth, or beeping mode. Trouble is that some synths will throw an error on you, others will just mutually dispose the pitch call. So even an error check will not always be reliable for determining the pitch support of the actual voice. For another thing, even if you get a list of all mainstream synths, like you Rick suggested, I am ready to make your dreams a bit gloomy. Mind you, there is quite an amount of manufacturers who only do locale synths, or may let their International synths support certain features, that the locale synths don't; and visaversa. In short, even with a list of available voices, you have no guarantee that your app won't run into some sort of a locale voice that does not support the feature, and could cause trouble in such an approach. Had to deal with a whole series of voices of the locale kind, when I built the Extended Dictionary, and had to call for certain features. All in all, the only safe way, is to let the user do the choice. Make it easy for the user to get to the setting, and make good info on the matter of non-pitching voices. That is, for instance both through the App Central introduction, the help screen of the app, and even when changing to Pitch-adjustment, let the user be informed that not all voices do support the pitching, and hence let him be informed that if his voice would happen to be in this group, he will have no effect of the pitch setting. A global list of voices supporting and not supporting the different features, is a bit of an undertake. OK, it may be possible to collect such a list, but it would take time, and may likely not be very reliable. Even you could experience cases where a SAPI4 voice would not support the pitching, whereas the SAPI5 edition of the same voice will. The landscape of it all is quite a mess, agreed, but that is the way things stand. Sorry for being a "gloomer" here, but a few years experience in voice handling has taught me a couple of lessons. David On 3/26/2015 2:04 PM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote: > Might be easier to just let the user decide, let them change pitch, tone, rate or even beep, or a combination of all 3. > > If there was an option to change the synthesizer, it would likely be too slow. > > Chris > > > Window-Eyes Product Support > Ai Squared > 725 Airport North Office Park > Fort Wayne, IN 46825 > (802) 362-3612 > www.aisquared.com > > -Original Message- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 8:56 AM > To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > Subject: CapEnhance Idea > > Hi Rod: > Likely you have already thought of it but one idea is to list the supported > synths in a file, think we likes ini, and then when your script is started > check which synth is active on the client machine in the script, if it can > be done using the WE Object Model. > If so use the pitch or tone approach, if not then use the beeper approach. > Just a thought but I am guessing you have already thought of it. > None the less your app fills a nitch that was driving me crazy for a few > weeks and, if there are other programmers where caps are important, perhaps > them too. > Rick USA > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/cgrabowski%40a isquared.com. > For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/trailerdavid%4 0hotmail.com. > For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > _
Some PDF files seem to only allow reading of one page at a time
Occasionally, I will receive a PDF file that, when using either the up and down arrow keys or the page up and page down keys will tell me it has reach the bottom after each page rather than the end of the document. I need to get out of browse mode or use the mouse to navigate to the next page, re enable browse mode and use page up to get to the top of the next page to begin reading the subsequent page. This is quite tedious. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I am using the latest version of Adobe Reader, Windows 7 Pro. I would like to attach examples, but they are proprietary files. Thanks, Rick ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Window Eyes Tip not very helpful
Today, I got the following tip on the Window Eyes Tip of the day: Window-Eyes allows the mouse pointer to be locked on either a vertical or horizontal axis, providing an efficient way for low vision users to track the mouse pointer across a straight line. While this alerts the user to a great feature of WE, it offers no help on how to accomplish the mouse locking capability. I am not asking how to do this, but only to offer possible improvement to this tip in the future. Regards, Rick Blair ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Very Minor Suggestion Regarding the B and Shift B Command in Browse Mode
Yesterday, I was navigating through a Web page and I pressed the letter B as I thought that the page contained buttons. As it happens, the page did not contain any buttons and Window-eyes understandably said "no button." I thought, however, that this was, in fact, a button labeled "no" as in a form where you have a "yes" button and a "no" button. It's almost funny, really, and I found it amusing. I wonder if the message should be changed to something like "no button available" or words to that effect. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Some PDF files seem to only allow reading of one page at a time
Hi Rick, In my experience, the hotkeys Control-PageDown and Control-PageUp, whether in or out of browse mode, navigate to the next and previous pages, respectively. Hth, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Rick Blair via Talk Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 12:46 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: Some PDF files seem to only allow reading of one page at a time Occasionally, I will receive a PDF file that, when using either the up and down arrow keys or the page up and page down keys will tell me it has reach the bottom after each page rather than the end of the document. I need to get out of browse mode or use the mouse to navigate to the next page, re enable browse mode and use page up to get to the top of the next page to begin reading the subsequent page. This is quite tedious. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I am using the latest version of Adobe Reader, Windows 7 Pro. I would like to attach examples, but they are proprietary files. Thanks, Rick ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rod_hutton%40h otmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: WE 9.1.0 and powerpoint not reading any information
Darrell, I was not able to duplicate this issue on my Windows 8.1 PC. After opening a presentation in PowerPoint 2013, I am able to press F6 to move among the various panes and everything is speaking as expected. If you are in the slide show, make sure Browse Mode is on as it is required to read the slide contents. If you haven't already done so, make sure you have the Office 2013 set files loaded. The Factory Settings dialog can be used to install set files and is found in the Window-Eyes Control Panel under the File menu. Regards, Marc -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 10:07 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: WE 9.1.0 and powerpoint not reading any information Hello, I just tried to open a power point file with power point 2013 and WE 9.1.0. Even if the file is not in protected view, I get no feedback, I can’t move between slides, and WE does not read anything going on with that application. Any ideas on how to fix it? Thanks, Darrell ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Some PDF files seem to only allow reading of one page at a time
I think the issue is that you have Adobe Reader/Window-Eyes configured to only load one page at a time instead of the entire document. If you update this setting in Adobe Reader, all pages of the PDF file will be available in the Browse Mode buffer. The Accessibility Setup Assistant can make it easier for you to configure this and other options. You can find it under the Edit menu, Accessibility pull down. Keep in mind that doing so could impact performance if you are working with a really large PDF. Good luck. Regards, Marc -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 1:08 PM To: 'Rick Blair'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Some PDF files seem to only allow reading of one page at a time Hi Rick, In my experience, the hotkeys Control-PageDown and Control-PageUp, whether in or out of browse mode, navigate to the next and previous pages, respectively. Hth, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Rick Blair via Talk Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 12:46 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: Some PDF files seem to only allow reading of one page at a time Occasionally, I will receive a PDF file that, when using either the up and down arrow keys or the page up and page down keys will tell me it has reach the bottom after each page rather than the end of the document. I need to get out of browse mode or use the mouse to navigate to the next page, re enable browse mode and use page up to get to the top of the next page to begin reading the subsequent page. This is quite tedious. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I am using the latest version of Adobe Reader, Windows 7 Pro. I would like to attach examples, but they are proprietary files. Thanks, Rick ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rod_hutton%40h otmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/msolomon%40aisquared.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Very Minor Suggestion Regarding the B and Shift B Command in Browse Mode
Hi David, I think the Window-Eyes developers are trying to cut down on verbosity, to save our ears, whenever possible. Of course, one could always navigate away from and back to the alleged button to test its presence. I did get a chuckle from your post, though, and thanks. Smile All the best, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of David Goldfield via Talk Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 1:05 PM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Very Minor Suggestion Regarding the B and Shift B Command in Browse Mode Yesterday, I was navigating through a Web page and I pressed the letter B as I thought that the page contained buttons. As it happens, the page did not contain any buttons and Window-eyes understandably said "no button." I thought, however, that this was, in fact, a button labeled "no" as in a form where you have a "yes" button and a "no" button. It's almost funny, really, and I found it amusing. I wonder if the message should be changed to something like "no button available" or words to that effect. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rod_hutton%40h otmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: [EXTERNAL] Some PDF files seem to only allow reading of one page at a time
What about using CONTROL-PAGE DOWN. Andy -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+andrew.baracco=va@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Rick Blair via Talk Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 9:46 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: [EXTERNAL] Some PDF files seem to only allow reading of one page at a time Occasionally, I will receive a PDF file that, when using either the up and down arrow keys or the page up and page down keys will tell me it has reach the bottom after each page rather than the end of the document. I need to get out of browse mode or use the mouse to navigate to the next page, re enable browse mode and use page up to get to the top of the next page to begin reading the subsequent page. This is quite tedious. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I am using the latest version of Adobe Reader, Windows 7 Pro. I would like to attach examples, but they are proprietary files. Thanks, Rick ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/andrew.bar acco%40va.gov. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Browse mode enhancedupgrade message
Hi, I just had Firefox crash and received a message from the browse mode enhanced app that it was not available on the version of window eyes that I was running. That's very strange as I am running window eyes 9.1.0. Just wondering if anybody else had this. Consequently, the app was updated just this morning. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Browse mode enhancedupgrade message
had this happen a few days ago but after restarting window eyes i did not have this happen. On 3/26/2015 1:49 PM, Dave Bahr via Talk wrote: Hi, I just had Firefox crash and received a message from the browse mode enhanced app that it was not available on the version of window eyes that I was running. That's very strange as I am running window eyes 9.1.0. Just wondering if anybody else had this. Consequently, the app was updated just this morning. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/sunshine%40abe.midco.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Very Minor Suggestion Regarding the B and Shift B Command in Browse Mode
Window-Eyes could always say "no next" or "no previous" followed by the control you're trying to navigate to. On 26/03/2015 17:04, David Goldfield via Talk wrote: Yesterday, I was navigating through a Web page and I pressed the letter B as I thought that the page contained buttons. As it happens, the page did not contain any buttons and Window-eyes understandably said "no button." I thought, however, that this was, in fact, a button labeled "no" as in a form where you have a "yes" button and a "no" button. It's almost funny, really, and I found it amusing. I wonder if the message should be changed to something like "no button available" or words to that effect. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/challsworth2%40icloud.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Some PDF files seem to only allow reading of one page at a time
By default, if there are more than 50 pages, Adobe Reader will show you the PDF one page at a time. You can change this limit in accessibility settings. If you don't change it, you can use ctrl-PgDn and Ctrl-PgUP to navigate among pages, or shift-ctrl-N to jump to a particular sequential page number. For the page number dialog to work, you must use the Window-Eyes bypass key, Insert-B, first, because ctrl-shift-N is the Field Name hotkey. Hope that all makes sense and is useful. Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD http://lras.home.sprynet.com -Original Message- From: Rick Blair via Talk Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 12:45 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: Some PDF files seem to only allow reading of one page at a time Occasionally, I will receive a PDF file that, when using either the up and down arrow keys or the page up and page down keys will tell me it has reach the bottom after each page rather than the end of the document. I need to get out of browse mode or use the mouse to navigate to the next page, re enable browse mode and use page up to get to the top of the next page to begin reading the subsequent page. This is quite tedious. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I am using the latest version of Adobe Reader, Windows 7 Pro. I would like to attach examples, but they are proprietary files. Thanks, Rick ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/lras%40sprynet.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
EnHance Mode & WE9.1
Will "enhance mode" affect Microsoft Word/OutLook/PowerPoint/InternetExplorer for other 3RD Party Text-to-Speech (TTS) when not using WindowEYES? Just Curious ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: EnHance Mode & WE9.1
Hi Robin, If you're referring to the different apps with the word "enhance" in their name, these are only loaded when Window-Eyes is running. Therefore, the answer to your question is "no." Hth, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Robin via Talk Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 3:33 PM To: Tom Kingston; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: EnHance Mode & WE9.1 Will "enhance mode" affect Microsoft Word/OutLook/PowerPoint/InternetExplorer for other 3RD Party Text-to-Speech (TTS) when not using WindowEYES? Just Curious ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rod_hutton%40h otmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
navigating headings in firefox is really slow
Hi folks, Does anyone else have a serious delay when navigating headings in firefox? I have we 9.1.0 and ff 36, yes I could go back to ff 30 for mouse functionality, but I prefer to stay up to date. There are times when I can count about 7 to 10 seconds between pressing the h or shift h key and WE speaking the next heading. It seems to happen if I have multiple tabs which I have all the time. The arrow keys are also slow but not nearly as bad as the headings. any ideas on this one? ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: navigating headings in firefox is really slow
Running WE 9.1 on a windows 8.1 system and latest Firefox here and don't have any delays. On 3/26/2015 5:05 PM, Dave Bahr via Talk wrote: Hi folks, Does anyone else have a serious delay when navigating headings in firefox? I have we 9.1.0 and ff 36, yes I could go back to ff 30 for mouse functionality, but I prefer to stay up to date. There are times when I can count about 7 to 10 seconds between pressing the h or shift h key and WE speaking the next heading. It seems to happen if I have multiple tabs which I have all the time. The arrow keys are also slow but not nearly as bad as the headings. any ideas on this one? ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/lmddh50%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
