RE: Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

[Micallef Michael at FITA via Talk]

Hi Mark,

Please may I suggest something... why do not put an online window-eyes report 
form  so the users when they submit their window-eyes problems they do not 
forget critical information such as their computer basic specifications.  Also 
I wish to add that if the same form will be available as Microsoft word 
downloaded report form, so the user can fill it offline and then he/she can 
send it by email attachment.

I think this could save a lot of work and extra efforts from both sides - the 
users and the developers.

Thank you,

Michael Micallef


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+michael.micallef=gov...@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Marc Solomon via Talk
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:55 PM
To: manny; Window-Eyes Discussion List; Simon Cavendish
Subject: RE: Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

In response to Manny's last post, I believe that having one high quality bug 
report is much more useful than having tens or hundreds of general reports that 
lack important details we need to investigate further. So, before posting, 
please take the time to gather all of the relevant details (i.e. OS version, 
Window-Eyes version, exact steps to duplicate, etc.) and include them in your 
report. Also, I want to reiterate that this list is not an official support 
channel but instead serves as a forum for discussion. If you have an issue that 
is technical in nature and can't find the help you need on the list, please 
contact our support team.
Thanks,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of manny via Talk
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 11:38 AM
To: Simon Cavendish ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

Hi Brandon,
Thanks for your detailed post.
I am using Windows 7 and I have encountered all of WE9.3 problems that you 
outlined.
   I am writing this email in notepad because trying to move around in 
Thunderbird would only give me a bing sound.  When closing programs like 
Firefox and Chrome, WE9.3 crashes and generates an error report, which I fill 
out with as much detail as possible.  One day in about 2 hours, I sent 4 error 
reports.

I strongly suggested everyone encountering these problems to post so that the 
magnitude of these problems will be revealed.
Many thanks,
Manny

Good Luck, Manny please help me reach a million clicks by forwarding my 
stand-up comedy performance to your friends, or Tweet or Facebook it. **
** ** ** ** **http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75fbevlz10g ** ** ** ** ** 
computer specifications: Window Eyes 9.3, Dell xps420 Windows 7 home premium, 
with dual boot to windows 10, with 8 gb RAM, Intel® Core™2 Quad Processor Q6600 
(8M Cache, 2.40 GHz, 1066 MHz FSB) quad core drivers and software updated 
automatically with Ninite and Driver Booster, which sighted assistance is 
needed, but other than that Driver Booster is a great program. Recommended 
software: Firefox, Thunderbird, Google Chrome, Winamp, Fritz 12, Chessbase 11, 
MS Office 2010 security: 
Microsoft security essential, Malware Bytes pro, Win Patrol, Roboform,
Maintenance: C-cleaner, Ultra Defrag
On 1/29/2016 4:50 AM, Simon Cavendish via Talk wrote:
 > Yes, I’ve been experiencing having to relaunch Window-eyes again and again 
 > because it suddenly goes quiet on me and I don’t know what’s going on.  I 
 > don’t think window-eyes is ready for windows 10.
 >
 > Simon
 >> On 29 Jan 2016, at 11:39, Brandon Miller via Talk 
 >>  wrote:
 >>
 >> I'm using Windows 10 home, version 1511, OS build 10586.71. I'm also using 
 >> Window-eyes 9.3.1. I am currently doing my best to contend with annoyances 
 >> such as:
 >> 1.  When I press alt+F4 to close apps, Wineyes frequently says nothing at 
 >> all. If I want to confirm that anything has taken place at all, I often 
 >> have to press the Wineyes read title bar command, Ctrl+shift+T.
 >> 2.  I'm a Microsoft certified systems engineer, so I frequently go in and 
 >> delete a whole batch of files from places like the temp, %temp%, and 
 >> prefetch folders to not only free up disk space, but to also maintain high 
 >> overall system stability and responsiveness. Often times in Windows 10 
 >> however, just as above I am almost always greeted by nothing except total 
 >> silence from Wineyes about halfway through this seemingly simple operation. 
 >> Because of my educational background, and the level of familiarity that I 
 >> have regarding internal/background Windows processes, services and 
 >> structures, I've been able to deduce that as a blind person using 
 >> Window-eyes, you've usually got to alt+tab around to find the screen where 
 >> you have to use the Wineyes mouse reading commands to click on the 
 >> "Continue with automatic administrator rights" button, and in the same 
 >> screen I also have to use the Wineyes mouse reading keys since I tend to 
 >> put a check in the checkbox that says, "Do this for all items".

Re: to upgrade to internet explorer 11 or stay with 10

[net bat via Talk]

your not going to get the i e security updates when microsoft stops supporting 
i e 10
and the best place to get i e 11 is on the microsoft.com web site. any other 
site you run the risk of installing one that has a virus in it.


-Original Message- 
From: Casey via Talk

Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 9:42 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: to upgrade to internet explorer 11 or stay with 10

Hi I am running window-eyes 9.0.
And I am wondering should I upgrade to internet explorer 11 since
support 10 is going away at some point?
Or is it better to stay with 10 as it is?
If it is A good idea to upgrade to explorer 11 where is the best place
to get it from?


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to upgrade to internet explorer 11 or stay with 10

[Casey via Talk]

Hi I am running window-eyes 9.0.
And I am wondering should I upgrade to internet explorer 11 since 
support 10 is going away at some point?

Or is it better to stay with 10 as it is?
If it is A good idea to upgrade to explorer 11 where is the best place 
to get it from?



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Re: Comment About WLM

[Tony C via Talk]

I'm glad you figured out a way to get WE to read the dang thing. LOL I'll 
try that the next time I have problems.As one would expect it is reading 
correctly right now. 


-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 8:02 PM
To: Talk
Subject: Comment About WLM

Windows 10
WE 9.2

Using WLM, when composing a message, I cannot read what I write until I hit 
shift tab which puts me in the subject line. Then I hit tab which puts me 
back in the message text and then I can read what I have written.


Does this happen to anyone else?


Bob Ringwald piano, Solo, Duo, Trio, Quartet, Quintet
Fulton Street Jazz Band (Dixieland/Swing)
916/ 806-9551
Amateur (ham) Radio Station K6YBV

I didn't make it to the gym today. That makes five years in a row.
I changed the name of my bathroom from John to Jim. So now I can say, "I go 
to the Gym every day."

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Re: Comment About WLM

[michael's emails via Talk]

i net bat have you noticed even in IE and WLM that the window does change 
all by its self but why does we not see it even if its minamized.
I have had a lot of troble with IE cos its minamized and some times i can 
not get it to maxamize even by pressing f 11 does not work.

Cheers Michael.

-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 1:10 PM
To: Robert Ringwald ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Comment About WLM

i haven't tried shift tabbing. i have been reloading w e.
sometimes if you maximize the window speech will come back.



-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:02 PM
To: Talk
Subject: Comment About WLM

Windows 10
WE 9.2

Using WLM, when composing a message, I cannot read what I write until I hit
shift tab which puts me in the subject line. Then I hit tab which puts me 
back

in the message text and then I can read what I have written.

Does this happen to anyone else?


Bob Ringwald piano, Solo, Duo, Trio, Quartet, Quintet
Fulton Street Jazz Band (Dixieland/Swing)
916/ 806-9551
Amateur (ham) Radio Station K6YBV

I didn't make it to the gym today. That makes five years in a row.
I changed the name of my bathroom from John to Jim. So now I can say, "I go 
to

the Gym every day."
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Re: Comment About WLM

[net bat via Talk]

i haven't tried shift tabbing. i have been reloading w e.
sometimes if you maximize the window speech will come back.



-Original Message- 
From: Robert Ringwald via Talk

Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:02 PM
To: Talk
Subject: Comment About WLM

Windows 10
WE 9.2

Using WLM, when composing a message, I cannot read what I write until I hit 
shift tab which puts me in the subject line. Then I hit tab which puts me back 
in the message text and then I can read what I have written.


Does this happen to anyone else?


Bob Ringwald piano, Solo, Duo, Trio, Quartet, Quintet
Fulton Street Jazz Band (Dixieland/Swing)
916/ 806-9551
Amateur (ham) Radio Station K6YBV

I didn't make it to the gym today. That makes five years in a row.
I changed the name of my bathroom from John to Jim. So now I can say, "I go to 
the Gym every day."

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Comment About WLM

[Robert Ringwald via Talk]

Windows 10
WE 9.2

Using WLM, when composing a message, I cannot read what I write until I hit 
shift tab which puts me in the subject line. Then I hit tab which puts me back 
in the message text and then I can read what I have written. 

Does this happen to anyone else?
 

Bob Ringwald piano, Solo, Duo, Trio, Quartet, Quintet 
Fulton Street Jazz Band (Dixieland/Swing)
916/ 806-9551
Amateur (ham) Radio Station K6YBV

I didn't make it to the gym today. That makes five years in a row. 
I changed the name of my bathroom from John to Jim. So now I can say, "I go to 
the Gym every day."
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Re: Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

[michaeel's mail via Talk]

Hi Marc I get this silly thing happen on both my computers in the action 
center We will say the blue tooth or airplane buttons are on but if I right 
click them and go in to their settings I find the actral switches are in 
fact off.

I run latest WE and windows 10 home 64 bit.
And I not sure with another problem I having is on IE and WLM is the windows 
keep minamizing on me an dwe will not speek then.

And I have all my windows to open maxamized.
Cheers Michael.

-Original Message- 
From: Marc Solomon via Talk

Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 4:54 AM
To: manny ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Simon Cavendish
Subject: RE: Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

In response to Manny's last post, I believe that having one high quality bug 
report is much more useful than having tens or hundreds of general reports 
that lack important details we need to investigate further. So, before 
posting, please take the time to gather all of the relevant details (i.e. OS 
version, Window-Eyes version, exact steps to duplicate, etc.) and include 
them in your report. Also, I want to reiterate that this list is not an 
official support channel but instead serves as a forum for discussion. If 
you have an issue that is technical in nature and can't find the help you 
need on the list, please contact our support team.

Thanks,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of manny via Talk

Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 11:38 AM
To: Simon Cavendish ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 


Subject: Re: Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

Hi Brandon,
Thanks for your detailed post.
I am using Windows 7 and I have encountered all of WE9.3 problems that you 
outlined.
  I am writing this email in notepad because trying to move around in 
Thunderbird would only give me a bing sound.  When closing programs like 
Firefox and Chrome, WE9.3 crashes and generates an error report, which I 
fill out with as much detail as possible.  One day in about 2 hours, I sent 
4 error reports.


I strongly suggested everyone encountering these problems to post so that 
the magnitude of these problems will be revealed.

Many thanks,
Manny

Good Luck, Manny please help me reach a million clicks by forwarding my 
stand-up comedy performance to your friends, or Tweet or Facebook it. **
** ** ** ** **http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75fbevlz10g ** ** ** ** ** 
computer specifications: Window Eyes 9.3, Dell xps420 Windows 7 home 
premium, with dual boot to windows 10, with 8 gb RAM, Intel® Core™2 Quad 
Processor Q6600 (8M Cache, 2.40 GHz, 1066 MHz FSB) quad core drivers and 
software updated automatically with Ninite and Driver Booster, which sighted 
assistance is needed, but other than that Driver Booster is a great program. 
Recommended software: Firefox, Thunderbird, Google Chrome, Winamp, Fritz 12, 
Chessbase 11, MS Office 2010 security:

Microsoft security essential, Malware Bytes pro, Win Patrol, Roboform,
Maintenance: C-cleaner, Ultra Defrag
On 1/29/2016 4:50 AM, Simon Cavendish via Talk wrote:
Yes, I’ve been experiencing having to relaunch Window-eyes again and again 
because it suddenly goes quiet on me and I don’t know what’s going on.  I 
don’t think window-eyes is ready for windows 10.


Simon
On 29 Jan 2016, at 11:39, Brandon Miller via Talk 
 wrote:


I'm using Windows 10 home, version 1511, OS build 10586.71. I'm also 
using Window-eyes 9.3.1. I am currently doing my best to contend with 
annoyances such as:
1.  When I press alt+F4 to close apps, Wineyes frequently says nothing at 
all. If I want to confirm that anything has taken place at all, I often 
have to press the Wineyes read title bar command, Ctrl+shift+T.
2.  I'm a Microsoft certified systems engineer, so I frequently go in and 
delete a whole batch of files from places like the temp, %temp%, and 
prefetch folders to not only free up disk space, but to also maintain 
high overall system stability and responsiveness. Often times in Windows 
10 however, just as above I am almost always greeted by nothing except 
total silence from Wineyes about halfway through this seemingly simple 
operation. Because of my educational background, and the level of 
familiarity that I have regarding internal/background Windows processes, 
services and structures, I've been able to deduce that as a blind person 
using Window-eyes, you've usually got to alt+tab around to find the 
screen where you have to use the Wineyes mouse reading commands to click 
on the "Continue with automatic administrator rights" button, and in the 
same screen I also have to use the Wineyes mouse reading keys since I 
tend to put a check in the checkbox that says, "Do this for all items".
3.  If you access the start button and select settings, although the 
screens within are mostly accessible, the mouse reading commands can get 
tripped up and are read out by Wineyes in either a nonsensical, or 
undesirable way. To experience for yourself what I'm talk

Re: crashing browser

[Butch K via Talk]

I too am using 8.4 and windows 7. Just curious. Have you tried wineyes 9 or 
higher, and what version is your web browser? I have downloaded the wineyes 60 
day demo of wineyes 9.3 but haven't tried it yet. I guess I don't want to deal 
with new bugs. Smile.

Butch

*** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***

On 1/29/2016 at 2:51 PM Elizabeth via Talk wrote:

>This is exactly when having an alternate screen 
>reader on call helps. If my browser crashes with 
>Window-eyes, I invoke NVDA. It tells me the 
>browser has crashed when Window-eyes is silent. 
>Then I can close the browser and Window-eyes 
>comes back. But Window-eyes never announces the crashing of the browser.
>I am using 8.4 and Windows 7.
>
>Elizabeth
>
>At 02:38 PM 1/29/2016, you wrote:
>>Hi Brandon,
>>I am using Windows 7, and I just click on a link 
>>at Scottrade.com, and WE9.3 went silent.
>>Fortunately, I had sighted help, and tabbing 
>>around their was window with the message 
>>informing me that IE. has crashed and the OK is waiting to be pressed.
>>Once the OK was entered, WE9.3 started talking 
>>again.  If I had not had sighted help,
>>  and I could not get WE9.3 to talk  again, I 
>> would have had to reboot the computer.
>>
>>web page
>>Good Luck, Manny please help me reach a million 
>>clicks by forwarding my stand-up comedy 
>>performance to your friends, or Tweet or 
>>Facebook it. ** ** ** ** ** 
>>**http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75fbevlz10g ** 
>>** ** ** ** computer specifications: Window Eyes 
>>9.3, Dell xps420 Windows 7 home premium, with 
>>dual boot to windows 10, with 8 gb RAM, Intel® 
>>Core™2 Quad Processor Q6600 (8M Cache, 2.40 GHz, 
>>1066 MHz FSB) quad core drivers and software 
>>updated automatically with Ninite and Driver 
>>Booster, which sighted assistance is needed, but 
>>other than that Driver Booster is a great 
>>program. Recommended software: Firefox, 
>>Thunderbird, Google Chrome, Winamp, Fritz 12, 
>>Chessbase 11, MS Office 2010 security: Microsoft 
>>security essential, Malware Bytes pro, Win 
>>Patrol, Roboform, Maintenance: C-cleaner, Ultra Defrag
>>On 1/29/2016 1:39 AM, Brandon Miller via Talk wrote:
>>>I'm using Windows 10 home, version 1511, OS 
>>>build 10586.71. I'm also using Window-eyes 
>>>9.3.1. I am currently doing my best to contend with annoyances such as:
>>>1.  When I press alt+F4 to close apps, Wineyes 
>>>frequently says nothing at all. If I want to 
>>>confirm that anything has taken place at all, I 
>>>often have to press the Wineyes read title bar command, Ctrl+shift+T.
>>>2.  I'm a Microsoft certified systems engineer, 
>>>so I frequently go in and delete a whole batch 
>>>of files from places like the temp, %temp%, and 
>>>prefetch folders to not only free up disk 
>>>space, but to also maintain high overall system 
>>>stability and responsiveness. Often times in 
>>>Windows 10 however, just as above I am almost 
>>>always greeted by nothing except total silence 
>>>from Wineyes about halfway through this 
>>>seemingly simple operation. Because of my 
>>>educational background, and the level of 
>>>familiarity that I have regarding 
>>>internal/background Windows processes, services 
>>>and structures, I've been able to deduce that 
>>>as a blind person using Window-eyes, you've 
>>>usually got to alt+tab around to find the 
>>>screen where you have to use the Wineyes mouse 
>>>reading commands to click on the "Continue with 
>>>automatic administrator rights" button, and in 
>>>the same screen I also have to use the Wineyes 
>>>mouse reading keys since I tend to put a check 
>>>in the checkbox that says, "Do this for all items".
>>>3.  If you access the start button and select 
>>>settings, although the screens within are 
>>>mostly accessible, the mouse reading commands 
>>>can get tripped up and are read out by Wineyes 
>>>in either a nonsensical, or undesirable way. To 
>>>experience for yourself what I'm talking about, do the following:
>>>A.  Access the start menu.
>>>B.  Press up arrow until you get to settings. Press enter on settings.
>>>C.  Press right arrow once to move the cursor, 
>>>and subsequently the focus to, the devices category and press enter.
>>>D.  At this point, the category that should be 
>>>automatically selected for you by default will 
>>>more than likely be printers and scanners. That's fine.
>>>E.  Now press tab four times, and you should 
>>>arrive at some kind of checkbox regarding metered internet connections.
>>>Wineyes doesn't read that checkbox properly 
>>>when tabbing through the screen, and I can't 
>>>get the mouse reading keys to get to that 
>>>checkbox either! I am able to get the Wineyes 
>>>mouse reading keys to let me access the first 
>>>checkbox of this screen, so I know that it for 
>>>example says, "Let Windows manage my default 
>>>printer". The second checkbox on this screen 
>>>however, is not reading properly at all.
>>>4.  Last but not least, Window-eyes is giving 
>>>me all kinds of problems when trying to do 
>>>somethin

Re: Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

For what it's worth, I can't remember the last time I lost speech and 
had to reload Window-Eyes on Windows 10. This is a four year old system 
that was running Windows 7. I did a clean install of Windows 10 because 
I've never seen an upgrade work quite right. It's not perfect. But 
overall system performance improved.


Tom


On 1/29/2016 9:50 AM, Simon Cavendish via Talk wrote:

Yes, I’ve been experiencing having to relaunch Window-eyes again and again 
because it suddenly goes quiet on me and I don’t know what’s going on.  I don’t 
think window-eyes is ready for windows 10.

Simon

On 29 Jan 2016, at 11:39, Brandon Miller via Talk  
wrote:

I'm using Windows 10 home, version 1511, OS build 10586.71. I'm also using 
Window-eyes 9.3.1. I am currently doing my best to contend with annoyances such 
as:
1.  When I press alt+F4 to close apps, Wineyes frequently says nothing at all. 
If I want to confirm that anything has taken place at all, I often have to 
press the Wineyes read title bar command, Ctrl+shift+T.
2.  I'm a Microsoft certified systems engineer, so I frequently go in and delete a whole batch of 
files from places like the temp, %temp%, and prefetch folders to not only free up disk space, but 
to also maintain high overall system stability and responsiveness. Often times in Windows 10 
however, just as above I am almost always greeted by nothing except total silence from Wineyes 
about halfway through this seemingly simple operation. Because of my educational background, and 
the level of familiarity that I have regarding internal/background Windows processes, services and 
structures, I've been able to deduce that as a blind person using Window-eyes, you've usually got 
to alt+tab around to find the screen where you have to use the Wineyes mouse reading commands to 
click on the "Continue with automatic administrator rights" button, and in the same 
screen I also have to use the Wineyes mouse reading keys since I tend to put a check in the 
checkbox that says, "Do this for all items"

.

3.  If you access the start button and select settings, although the screens 
within are mostly accessible, the mouse reading commands can get tripped up and 
are read out by Wineyes in either a nonsensical, or undesirable way. To 
experience for yourself what I'm talking about, do the following:
A.  Access the start menu.
B.  Press up arrow until you get to settings. Press enter on settings.
C.  Press right arrow once to move the cursor, and subsequently the focus to, 
the devices category and press enter.
D.  At this point, the category that should be automatically selected for you 
by default will more than likely be printers and scanners. That's fine.
E.  Now press tab four times, and you should arrive at some kind of checkbox 
regarding metered internet connections.
Wineyes doesn't read that checkbox properly when tabbing through the screen, and I can't 
get the mouse reading keys to get to that checkbox either! I am able to get the Wineyes 
mouse reading keys to let me access the first checkbox of this screen, so I know that it 
for example says, "Let Windows manage my default printer". The second checkbox 
on this screen however, is not reading properly at all.
4.  Last but not least, Window-eyes is giving me all kinds of problems when 
trying to do something as simple as write an email with Thunderbird! I'll be in 
the middle of composing a simple, old fashioned, plane text email, when 
suddenly and without any kind of warning, Window-eyes'll just start announcing 
my title bar as untitled, and not read anything in either the subject, or body 
fields of the message. I ensure that the window is maximized, makes no 
difference. I press Ctrl+alt+W to relaunch Window-eyes, which sometimes does, 
and sometimes doesn't make any difference. I've tried uninstalling the TB 
Enhance app, thinking that it might not have exactly kept pace with Mozilla's 
Thunderbird development team, but doing so also unfortunately made no 
discernible difference. I've had to re-launch Window-eyes literally no less 
than four times while composing this message alone!
What's up with all these little annoying problems I'm experiencing with regard 
to Windows 10 and Window-eyes 9.3.1? Is anybody else contending with stuff like 
this?

P.S What the H e double hockysticks! Now the Read To Me app isn't working in 
Thunderbird either! Before you ask, yes, I guarantee you I've set it up 
correctly, I would know since I've used it successfully before on this PC in 
both Firefox 43, and Internet Explorer 11. Right now though, Ctrl+shift+r at 
the top of the message? Nothing. Ctrl+shift+r in the middle of the message? 
Nada. Ctrl+shift+r in the middle of a line in the middle of the message? Zilch. 
Zippo. Gr! Ai Squared, what gives!

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Re: Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Thank you for writing what should be given when you send in an error 
message.  I'm sorry to say that I didn't really know what I should write. 
Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk

Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 1:43 PM
To: Marc Solomon ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

Hi Mark, ;your right about that. A lot of times I myself don't take the time
to notice exactly what stepts I did right before a Hhick-up happens. LOL

-Original Message- 
From: Marc Solomon via Talk

Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 11:54 AM
To: manny ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Simon Cavendish
Subject: RE: Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

In response to Manny's last post, I believe that having one high quality bug
report is much more useful than having tens or hundreds of general reports
that lack important details we need to investigate further. So, before
posting, please take the time to gather all of the relevant details (i.e. OS
version, Window-Eyes version, exact steps to duplicate, etc.) and include
them in your report. Also, I want to reiterate that this list is not an
official support channel but instead serves as a forum for discussion. If
you have an issue that is technical in nature and can't find the help you
need on the list, please contact our support team.
Thanks,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of manny via Talk
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 11:38 AM
To: Simon Cavendish ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

Hi Brandon,
Thanks for your detailed post.
I am using Windows 7 and I have encountered all of WE9.3 problems that you
outlined.
  I am writing this email in notepad because trying to move around in
Thunderbird would only give me a bing sound.  When closing programs like
Firefox and Chrome, WE9.3 crashes and generates an error report, which I
fill out with as much detail as possible.  One day in about 2 hours, I sent
4 error reports.

I strongly suggested everyone encountering these problems to post so that
the magnitude of these problems will be revealed.
Many thanks,
Manny

Good Luck, Manny please help me reach a million clicks by forwarding my
stand-up comedy performance to your friends, or Tweet or Facebook it. **
** ** ** ** **http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75fbevlz10g ** ** ** ** **
computer specifications: Window Eyes 9.3, Dell xps420 Windows 7 home
premium, with dual boot to windows 10, with 8 gb RAM, Intel® Core™2 Quad
Processor Q6600 (8M Cache, 2.40 GHz, 1066 MHz FSB) quad core drivers and
software updated automatically with Ninite and Driver Booster, which sighted
assistance is needed, but other than that Driver Booster is a great program.
Recommended software: Firefox, Thunderbird, Google Chrome, Winamp, Fritz 12,
Chessbase 11, MS Office 2010 security:
Microsoft security essential, Malware Bytes pro, Win Patrol, Roboform,
Maintenance: C-cleaner, Ultra Defrag
On 1/29/2016 4:50 AM, Simon Cavendish via Talk wrote:
Yes, I’ve been experiencing having to relaunch Window-eyes again and again 
because it suddenly goes quiet on me and I don’t know what’s going on.  I 
don’t think window-eyes is ready for windows 10.


Simon
On 29 Jan 2016, at 11:39, Brandon Miller via Talk 
 wrote:


I'm using Windows 10 home, version 1511, OS build 10586.71. I'm also 
using Window-eyes 9.3.1. I am currently doing my best to contend with 
annoyances such as:
1.  When I press alt+F4 to close apps, Wineyes frequently says nothing at 
all. If I want to confirm that anything has taken place at all, I often 
have to press the Wineyes read title bar command, Ctrl+shift+T.
2.  I'm a Microsoft certified systems engineer, so I frequently go in and 
delete a whole batch of files from places like the temp, %temp%, and 
prefetch folders to not only free up disk space, but to also maintain 
high overall system stability and responsiveness. Often times in Windows 
10 however, just as above I am almost always greeted by nothing except 
total silence from Wineyes about halfway through this seemingly simple 
operation. Because of my educational background, and the level of 
familiarity that I have regarding internal/background Windows processes, 
services and structures, I've been able to deduce that as a blind person 
using Window-eyes, you've usually got to alt+tab around to find the 
screen where you have to use the Wineyes mouse reading commands to click 
on the "Continue with automatic administrator rights" button, and in the 
same screen I also have to use the Wineyes mouse reading keys since I 
tend to put a check in the checkbox that says, "Do this for all items".
3.  If you access the start button and select settings, although the 
screens within are mostly accessible, the mouse reading commands can get 
tripped up and are read out by Wineyes in either a nonsensical, or 
undesirable way. To experience for yourself what I'm talking about, do 
th

Re: Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Brandon,

1. When I close a window with Alt-F4 the title of the window that gains 
focus is always voiced, be it another program, the desktop, or the task bar.


2. I agree about the Continue with automatic administrator rights 
notifications gaining focus. It's a hit or miss. But more often than not 
when I do get them into focus the continue button has focus and I only 
have to tap the space bar.


3. When I go into Settings, Devices, and tab down to the Metered 
internet connection item the explanation of what it is is voiced and 
then it says toggle switch On. Pressing the space bar toggles it off and 
on fine.


4. I'm not having any problems in Thunderbird. Although I don't use 
neither the GW Thunderbird app or the ReadToMe app. I wrote my own app 
for Thunderbird. But it does nothing more than set focus when I open TB 
and filter out some extraneous speech. So I don't believe it's impacting 
anything one way or the other.
Standard read to end works fine when reading messages in browse mode. It 
doesn't work in the composition window.


Unfortunately I don't have any answers as to why our experience is so 
very different.


Regards,
Tom


On 1/29/2016 6:39 AM, Brandon Miller via Talk wrote:

I'm using Windows 10 home, version 1511, OS build 10586.71. I'm also
using Window-eyes 9.3.1. I am currently doing my best to contend with
annoyances such as:
1.  When I press alt+F4 to close apps, Wineyes frequently says nothing
at all. If I want to confirm that anything has taken place at all, I
often have to press the Wineyes read title bar command, Ctrl+shift+T.
2.  I'm a Microsoft certified systems engineer, so I frequently go in
and delete a whole batch of files from places like the temp, %temp%, and
prefetch folders to not only free up disk space, but to also maintain
high overall system stability and responsiveness. Often times in Windows
10 however, just as above I am almost always greeted by nothing except
total silence from Wineyes about halfway through this seemingly simple
operation. Because of my educational background, and the level of
familiarity that I have regarding internal/background Windows processes,
services and structures, I've been able to deduce that as a blind person
using Window-eyes, you've usually got to alt+tab around to find the
screen where you have to use the Wineyes mouse reading commands to click
on the "Continue with automatic administrator rights" button, and in the
same screen I also have to use the Wineyes mouse reading keys since I
tend to put a check in the checkbox that says, "Do this for all items".
3.  If you access the start button and select settings, although the
screens within are mostly accessible, the mouse reading commands can get
tripped up and are read out by Wineyes in either a nonsensical, or
undesirable way. To experience for yourself what I'm talking about, do
the following:
A.  Access the start menu.
B.  Press up arrow until you get to settings. Press enter on settings.
C.  Press right arrow once to move the cursor, and subsequently the
focus to, the devices category and press enter.
D.  At this point, the category that should be automatically selected
for you by default will more than likely be printers and scanners.
That's fine.
E.  Now press tab four times, and you should arrive at some kind of
checkbox regarding metered internet connections.
Wineyes doesn't read that checkbox properly when tabbing through the
screen, and I can't get the mouse reading keys to get to that checkbox
either! I am able to get the Wineyes mouse reading keys to let me access
the first checkbox of this screen, so I know that it for example says,
"Let Windows manage my default printer". The second checkbox on this
screen however, is not reading properly at all.
4.  Last but not least, Window-eyes is giving me all kinds of problems
when trying to do something as simple as write an email with
Thunderbird! I'll be in the middle of composing a simple, old fashioned,
plane text email, when suddenly and without any kind of warning,
Window-eyes'll just start announcing my title bar as untitled, and not
read anything in either the subject, or body fields of the message. I
ensure that the window is maximized, makes no difference. I press
Ctrl+alt+W to relaunch Window-eyes, which sometimes does, and sometimes
doesn't make any difference. I've tried uninstalling the TB Enhance app,
thinking that it might not have exactly kept pace with Mozilla's
Thunderbird development team, but doing so also unfortunately made no
discernible difference. I've had to re-launch Window-eyes literally no
less than four times while composing this message alone!
What's up with all these little annoying problems I'm experiencing with
regard to Windows 10 and Window-eyes 9.3.1? Is anybody else contending
with stuff like this?

P.S What the H e double hockysticks! Now the Read To Me app isn't
working in Thunderbird either! Before you ask, yes, I guarantee you I've
set it up correctly, I would know since I've use

Re: error when launching Window-eyes under the latest INsider Preview

[Danny via Talk]

If you use Narrator to get signed in after the error or NVDA and get rid of 
the error message things seem to work correctly.


Danny

-Original Message- 
From: Don H via Talk

Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 4:12 PM
To: Chris Grabowski ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: error when launching Window-eyes under the latest INsider 
Preview


So does Ai Squared let Microsoft know about such problems?

On 1/28/2016 3:26 PM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote:

You can revert to the previous build and the issue will go away.

Chris
Window-Eyes Product Support
Ai Squared
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Fort Wayne, IN 46825
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-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of bob jutzi via Talk

Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 4:12 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: error when launching Window-eyes under the latest INsider Preview

Any idea as to why I am getting an Unable to Set Hook error when
launching WE under the latest Win10 Insider, 14251?
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Re: crashing browser

[Mike Rogers via Talk]

Good tip.  I have N.V.D.A.  I'll try this.

Mike



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www.woodeneyemusic.com


On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 14:51:01 -0500
Elizabeth via Talk  wrote:

> This is exactly when having an alternate screen reader on call helps. If my 
> browser crashes with Window-eyes, I invoke NVDA. It tells me the browser has 
> crashed when Window-eyes is silent. Then I can close the browser and 
> Window-eyes comes back. But Window-eyes never announces the crashing of the 
> browser.
> I am using 8.4 and Windows 7.
> 
> Elizabeth
> 
> At 02:38 PM 1/29/2016, you wrote:
> >Hi Brandon,
> >I am using Windows 7, and I just click on a link >at Scottrade.com, and 
> >WE9.3 went silent.
> >Fortunately, I had sighted help, and tabbing >around their was window with 
> >the message >informing me that IE. has crashed and the OK is waiting to be 
> >pressed.
> >Once the OK was entered, WE9.3 started talking >again.  If I had not had 
> >sighted help,
> >  and I could not get WE9.3 to talk  again, I > would have had to reboot the 
> > computer.
> >
> >web page
> >Good Luck, Manny please help me reach a million >clicks by forwarding my 
> >stand-up comedy >performance to your friends, or Tweet or >Facebook it. ** 
> >** ** ** ** >**http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75fbevlz10g ** >** ** ** ** 
> >computer specifications: Window Eyes >9.3, Dell xps420 Windows 7 home 
> >premium, with >dual boot to windows 10, with 8 gb RAM, Intel® >Core™2 Quad 
> >Processor Q6600 (8M Cache, 2.40 GHz, >1066 MHz FSB) quad core drivers and 
> >software >updated automatically with Ninite and Driver >Booster, which 
> >sighted assistance is needed, but >other than that Driver Booster is a great 
> >>program. Recommended software: Firefox, >Thunderbird, Google Chrome, 
> >Winamp, Fritz 12, >Chessbase 11, MS Office 2010 security: Microsoft 
> >>security essential, Malware Bytes pro, Win >Patrol, Roboform, Maintenance: 
> >C-cleaner, Ultra Defrag
> >On 1/29/2016 1:39 AM, Brandon Miller via Talk wrote:
> >>I'm using Windows 10 home, version 1511, OS >>build 10586.71. I'm also 
> >>using Window-eyes >>9.3.1. I am currently doing my best to contend with 
> >>annoyances such as:
> >>1.  When I press alt+F4 to close apps, Wineyes >>frequently says nothing at 
> >>all. If I want to >>confirm that anything has taken place at all, I >>often 
> >>have to press the Wineyes read title bar command, Ctrl+shift+T.
> >>2.  I'm a Microsoft certified systems engineer, >>so I frequently go in and 
> >>delete a whole batch >>of files from places like the temp, %temp%, and 
> prefetch folders to not only free up disk >>space, but to also maintain 
> >>high overall system >>stability and responsiveness. Often times in 
> Windows 10 however, just as above I am almost >>always greeted by nothing 
> >>except total silence >>from Wineyes about halfway through this >>seemingly 
> >>simple operation. Because of my >>educational background, and the level of 
> familiarity that I have regarding >>internal/background Windows 
> >>processes, services >>and structures, I've been able to deduce that >>as a 
> >>blind person using Window-eyes, you've >>usually got to alt+tab around to 
> >>find the >>screen where you have to use the Wineyes mouse >>reading 
> >>commands to click on the "Continue with >>automatic administrator rights" 
> >>button, and in >>the same screen I also have to use the Wineyes >>mouse 
> >>reading keys since I tend to put a check >>in the checkbox that says, "Do 
> >>this for all items".
> >>3.  If you access the start button and select >>settings, although the 
> >>screens within are >>mostly accessible, the mouse reading commands >>can 
> >>get tripped up and are read out by Wineyes >>in either a nonsensical, or 
> >>undesirable way. To >>experience for yourself what I'm talking about, do 
> >>the following:
> >>A.  Access the start menu.
> >>B.  Press up arrow until you get to settings. Press enter on settings.
> >>C.  Press right arrow once to move the cursor, >>and subsequently the focus 
> >>to, the devices category and press enter.
> >>D.  At this point, the category that should be >>automatically selected for 
> >>you by default will >>more than likely be printers and scanners. That's 
> >>fine.
> >>E.  Now press tab four times, and you should >>arrive at some kind of 
> >>checkbox regarding metered internet connections.
> >>Wineyes doesn't read that checkbox properly >>when tabbing through the 
> >>screen, and I can't >>get the mouse reading keys to get to that >>checkbox 
> >>either! I am able to get the Wineyes >>mouse reading keys to let me access 
> >>the first >>checkbox of this screen, so I know that it for >>example says, 
> >>"Let Windows manage my default >>printer". The second checkbox on this 
> >>screen >>however, is not reading properly at all.
> >>4.  Last but not least, Window-eyes is giving >>me all kinds of problems 
> >>when trying to do >>something as simple as write an email with 
> 

Re: Eset Security Suite

[Curtis Delzer via Talk]

and is the f5 key still a way to make it accessible?

At 01:41 PM 1/27/2016, you wrote:
I am assuming you know how to use the Mouse 
Navigation Keys and still found the Eset interface difficult.


Elizabeth

At 04:11 PM 1/27/2016, you wrote:

Yes,
It is very hard to navigate I think.  I couldn’t do anything with it.
You might want to give it a try for yor self and see how it works.

Pastor Gil

From: Elizabeth
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 12:29 PM
To: 
g...@embarqmail.com 
; talk@lists.window-eyes.com

Subject: Re: Eset Security Suite

I know the interface is different in version 9 
from version 8. Have you actually tried version 
9 with Window-eyes? I ask because Eset thinks 
Version 9 may be accessible using the latest 
version of JAWS. They don't know how accessible 
Version 9 may be with the latest Window-eyes or NVDA.


Elizabeth
At 03:19 PM 1/27/2016, you wrote:

   Y3es.
It is not accessible.  It is different than version 8.


Pastor Gil

-Original Message- From: Elizabeth via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 11:48 AM
To: Steve Nutt ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Eset Security Suite

Have you actually tested Version 9 please? I spoke with Eset a couple
of weeks ago. The story on Version 9 of Eset Security Suite is that
Eset has not yet tested it for accessibility. It may, in fact, be
accessible, but they are not willing to say so.

Elizabeth

At 11:32 AM 1/27/2016, you wrote:

Hi,

Eset Version 5.2?  You should be at least on 8 now if you are using Windows
7.  Apparently 9 is the only one to use in Windows 10, but it is not
accessible.

All the best

Steve

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-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries via Talk
Sent: 26 January 2016 16:20
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Vipre

Tried Vipre and decided to stay with Eset Smart Security version 5.2.
It announces updates and is very screen reader friendly.

Pastor Gil
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Re: Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

[Tony C via Talk]

nope, at least not the last time I tried that. lol

-Original Message- 
From: Elizabeth via Talk

Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 1:25 PM
To: manny ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

When you cannot read what you have written in an
application such as your email client, does
pressing insert-backslash to re-draw the screen or maximizing your window 
help?


Elizabeth

At 11:38 AM 1/29/2016, you wrote:
Hi Brandon, Thanks for your detailed post. I am using Windows 7 and I have 
encountered all of WE9.3 problems that you outlined.I am writing this 
email in notepad because trying to move around in Thunderbird would only 
give me a bing sound.  When closing programs like Firefox and Chrome, WE9.3 
crashes and generates an error report, which I fill out with as much detail 
as possible.  One day in about 2 hours, I sent 4 error reports. I strongly 
suggested everyone encountering these problems to post so that the 
magnitude of these problems will be revealed. Many thanks, Manny Good Luck, 
Manny please help me reach a million clicks by forwarding my stand-up 
comedy performance to your friends, or Tweet or Facebook it. ** ** ** ** ** 
**http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75fbevlz10g ** ** ** ** ** computer 
specifications: Window Eyes 9.3, Dell xps420 Windows 7 home premium, with 
dual boot to windows 10, with 8 gb RAM, Intel® Core™2 Quad Processor 
Q66600 (8M Cache, 2.40 GHz, 1066 MHz FSB) quad core drivers and software 
updated automatically with Ninite and Driver Booster, which sighted 
assistance is needed, but other than that Driver Booster is a great 
program. Recommended software: Firefox, Thunderbird, Google Chrome, Winamp, 
Fritz 12, Chessbase 11, MS Office 2010 security: Microsoft security 
essential, Malware Bytes pro, Win Patrol, Roboform, Maintenance: C-cleaner, 
Ultra Defrag On 1/29/2016 4:50 AM, Simon Cavendish via Talk wrote: > Yes, 
I’ve been experiencing having to relaunch Window-eyes again and again 
because it suddenly goes quiet on me and I don’t know what’s going on. 
I don’t think window-eyes is ready for windows 10. > > Simon >> On 29 Jan 
2016, at 11:39, Brandon Miller via Talk  wrote: 
>> >> I'm using Windows 10 home, version 1511, OS build 10586.71. I'm also 
using Window-eyes 9.3.1. I am currently doing my best to contend with 
annoyances such as: >> 1.  When I press alt+F4 to close apps, Wineyes 
frequently says nothing at all. If I want to confirm that anything has 
taken place at all, I often have to press the Wineyes read title bar 
command, Ctrl+shift+T. >> 2.  I'm a Microsoft certified systems engineer, 
so I frequently go in and delete a whole batch of files from places like 
the temp, %temp%, and prefetch folders to not only free up disk space, but 
to also maintain high overall system stability and responsiveness. Often 
times in Windows 10 however, just as above I am almost always greeted by 
nothing except total silence from Wineyes about halfway through this 
seemingly simple operation. Because of my educational background, and the 
level of familiarity that I have regarding internal/background Windows 
processes, services and structures, I've been able to deduce that as a 
blind person using Window-eyes, you've usually got to alt+tab around to 
find the screen where you have to use the Wineyes mouse reading commands to 
click on the "Continue with automatic administrator rights" button, and in 
the same screen I also have to use the Wineyes mouse reading keys since I 
tend to put a check in the checkbox that says, "Do this for all items". >> 
3.  If you access the start button and select settings, although the 
screens within are mostly accessible, the mouse reading commands can get 
tripped up and are read out by Wineyes in either a nonsensical, or 
undesirable way. To experience for yourself what I'm talking about, do the 
following: >> A.  Access the start menu. >> B.  Press up arrow until you 
get to settings. Press enter on settings. >> C.  Press right arrow once to 
move the cursor, and subsequently the focus to, the devices category and 
press enter. >> D.  At this point, the category that should be 
automatically selected for you by default will more than likely be printers 
and scanners. That's fine. >> E.  Now press tab four times, and you should 
arrive at some kind of checkbox regarding metered internet connections. >> 
Wineyes doesn't read that checkbox properly when tabbing through the 
screen, and I can't get the mouse reading keys to get to that checkbox 
either! I am able to get the Wineyes mouse reading keys to let me access 
the first checkbox of this screen, so I know that it for example says, "Let 
Windows manage my default printer". The second checkbox on this screen 
however, is not reading properly at all. >> 4.  Last but not least, 
Window-eyes is giving me all kinds of problems when trying to do something 
as simple as write an email with Thunderbird! I'll be in the middle of 
composing a

crashing browser

[Elizabeth via Talk]

This is exactly when having an alternate screen 
reader on call helps. If my browser crashes with 
Window-eyes, I invoke NVDA. It tells me the 
browser has crashed when Window-eyes is silent. 
Then I can close the browser and Window-eyes 
comes back. But Window-eyes never announces the crashing of the browser.

I am using 8.4 and Windows 7.

Elizabeth

At 02:38 PM 1/29/2016, you wrote:

Hi Brandon,
I am using Windows 7, and I just click on a link 
at Scottrade.com, and WE9.3 went silent.
Fortunately, I had sighted help, and tabbing 
around their was window with the message 
informing me that IE. has crashed and the OK is waiting to be pressed.
Once the OK was entered, WE9.3 started talking 
again.  If I had not had sighted help,
 and I could not get WE9.3 to talk  again, I 
would have had to reboot the computer.


web page
Good Luck, Manny please help me reach a million 
clicks by forwarding my stand-up comedy 
performance to your friends, or Tweet or 
Facebook it. ** ** ** ** ** 
**http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75fbevlz10g ** 
** ** ** ** computer specifications: Window Eyes 
9.3, Dell xps420 Windows 7 home premium, with 
dual boot to windows 10, with 8 gb RAM, Intel® 
Core™2 Quad Processor Q6600 (8M Cache, 2.40 GHz, 
1066 MHz FSB) quad core drivers and software 
updated automatically with Ninite and Driver 
Booster, which sighted assistance is needed, but 
other than that Driver Booster is a great 
program. Recommended software: Firefox, 
Thunderbird, Google Chrome, Winamp, Fritz 12, 
Chessbase 11, MS Office 2010 security: Microsoft 
security essential, Malware Bytes pro, Win 
Patrol, Roboform, Maintenance: C-cleaner, Ultra Defrag

On 1/29/2016 1:39 AM, Brandon Miller via Talk wrote:
I'm using Windows 10 home, version 1511, OS 
build 10586.71. I'm also using Window-eyes 
9.3.1. I am currently doing my best to contend with annoyances such as:
1.  When I press alt+F4 to close apps, Wineyes 
frequently says nothing at all. If I want to 
confirm that anything has taken place at all, I 
often have to press the Wineyes read title bar command, Ctrl+shift+T.
2.  I'm a Microsoft certified systems engineer, 
so I frequently go in and delete a whole batch 
of files from places like the temp, %temp%, and 
prefetch folders to not only free up disk 
space, but to also maintain high overall system 
stability and responsiveness. Often times in 
Windows 10 however, just as above I am almost 
always greeted by nothing except total silence 
from Wineyes about halfway through this 
seemingly simple operation. Because of my 
educational background, and the level of 
familiarity that I have regarding 
internal/background Windows processes, services 
and structures, I've been able to deduce that 
as a blind person using Window-eyes, you've 
usually got to alt+tab around to find the 
screen where you have to use the Wineyes mouse 
reading commands to click on the "Continue with 
automatic administrator rights" button, and in 
the same screen I also have to use the Wineyes 
mouse reading keys since I tend to put a check 
in the checkbox that says, "Do this for all items".
3.  If you access the start button and select 
settings, although the screens within are 
mostly accessible, the mouse reading commands 
can get tripped up and are read out by Wineyes 
in either a nonsensical, or undesirable way. To 
experience for yourself what I'm talking about, do the following:

A.  Access the start menu.
B.  Press up arrow until you get to settings. Press enter on settings.
C.  Press right arrow once to move the cursor, 
and subsequently the focus to, the devices category and press enter.
D.  At this point, the category that should be 
automatically selected for you by default will 
more than likely be printers and scanners. That's fine.
E.  Now press tab four times, and you should 
arrive at some kind of checkbox regarding metered internet connections.
Wineyes doesn't read that checkbox properly 
when tabbing through the screen, and I can't 
get the mouse reading keys to get to that 
checkbox either! I am able to get the Wineyes 
mouse reading keys to let me access the first 
checkbox of this screen, so I know that it for 
example says, "Let Windows manage my default 
printer". The second checkbox on this screen 
however, is not reading properly at all.
4.  Last but not least, Window-eyes is giving 
me all kinds of problems when trying to do 
something as simple as write an email with 
Thunderbird! I'll be in the middle of composing 
a simple, old fashioned, plane text email, when 
suddenly and without any kind of warning, 
Window-eyes'll just start announcing my title 
bar as untitled, and not read anything in 
either the subject, or body fields of the 
message. I ensure that the window is maximized, 
makes no difference. I press Ctrl+alt+W to 
relaunch Window-eyes, which sometimes does, and 
sometimes doesn't make any difference. I've 
tried uninstalling the TB Enhance app, thinking 
that it might not have exactly kept pace with 
Mozil

Re: Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

[manny via Talk]

Hi Brandon,
I am using Windows 7, and I just click on a link at Scottrade.com, and 
WE9.3 went silent.
Fortunately, I had sighted help, and tabbing around their was window 
with the message informing me that IE. has crashed and the OK is waiting 
to be pressed.
Once the OK was entered, WE9.3 started talking again.  If I had not had 
sighted help,
 and I could not get WE9.3 to talk  again, I would have had to reboot 
the computer.


web page
Good Luck, Manny please help me reach a million clicks by forwarding my 
stand-up comedy performance to your friends, or Tweet or Facebook it. ** 
** ** ** ** **http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75fbevlz10g ** ** ** ** ** 
computer specifications: Window Eyes 9.3, Dell xps420 Windows 7 home 
premium, with dual boot to windows 10, with 8 gb RAM, Intel® Core™2 Quad 
Processor Q6600 (8M Cache, 2.40 GHz, 1066 MHz FSB) quad core drivers and 
software updated automatically with Ninite and Driver Booster, which 
sighted assistance is needed, but other than that Driver Booster is a 
great program. Recommended software: Firefox, Thunderbird, Google 
Chrome, Winamp, Fritz 12, Chessbase 11, MS Office 2010 security: 
Microsoft security essential, Malware Bytes pro, Win Patrol, Roboform, 
Maintenance: C-cleaner, Ultra Defrag

On 1/29/2016 1:39 AM, Brandon Miller via Talk wrote:
I'm using Windows 10 home, version 1511, OS build 10586.71. I'm also 
using Window-eyes 9.3.1. I am currently doing my best to contend with 
annoyances such as:
1.  When I press alt+F4 to close apps, Wineyes frequently says nothing 
at all. If I want to confirm that anything has taken place at all, I 
often have to press the Wineyes read title bar command, Ctrl+shift+T.
2.  I'm a Microsoft certified systems engineer, so I frequently go in 
and delete a whole batch of files from places like the temp, %temp%, 
and prefetch folders to not only free up disk space, but to also 
maintain high overall system stability and responsiveness. Often times 
in Windows 10 however, just as above I am almost always greeted by 
nothing except total silence from Wineyes about halfway through this 
seemingly simple operation. Because of my educational background, and 
the level of familiarity that I have regarding internal/background 
Windows processes, services and structures, I've been able to deduce 
that as a blind person using Window-eyes, you've usually got to 
alt+tab around to find the screen where you have to use the Wineyes 
mouse reading commands to click on the "Continue with automatic 
administrator rights" button, and in the same screen I also have to 
use the Wineyes mouse reading keys since I tend to put a check in the 
checkbox that says, "Do this for all items".
3.  If you access the start button and select settings, although the 
screens within are mostly accessible, the mouse reading commands can 
get tripped up and are read out by Wineyes in either a nonsensical, or 
undesirable way. To experience for yourself what I'm talking about, do 
the following:

A.  Access the start menu.
B.  Press up arrow until you get to settings. Press enter on settings.
C.  Press right arrow once to move the cursor, and subsequently the 
focus to, the devices category and press enter.
D.  At this point, the category that should be automatically selected 
for you by default will more than likely be printers and scanners. 
That's fine.
E.  Now press tab four times, and you should arrive at some kind of 
checkbox regarding metered internet connections.
Wineyes doesn't read that checkbox properly when tabbing through the 
screen, and I can't get the mouse reading keys to get to that checkbox 
either! I am able to get the Wineyes mouse reading keys to let me 
access the first checkbox of this screen, so I know that it for 
example says, "Let Windows manage my default printer". The second 
checkbox on this screen however, is not reading properly at all.
4.  Last but not least, Window-eyes is giving me all kinds of problems 
when trying to do something as simple as write an email with 
Thunderbird! I'll be in the middle of composing a simple, old 
fashioned, plane text email, when suddenly and without any kind of 
warning, Window-eyes'll just start announcing my title bar as 
untitled, and not read anything in either the subject, or body fields 
of the message. I ensure that the window is maximized, makes no 
difference. I press Ctrl+alt+W to relaunch Window-eyes, which 
sometimes does, and sometimes doesn't make any difference. I've tried 
uninstalling the TB Enhance app, thinking that it might not have 
exactly kept pace with Mozilla's Thunderbird development team, but 
doing so also unfortunately made no discernible difference. I've had 
to re-launch Window-eyes literally no less than four times while 
composing this message alone!
What's up with all these little annoying problems I'm experiencing 
with regard to Windows 10 and Window-eyes 9.3.1? Is anybody else 
contending with stuff like this?


P.S What the H e double hockysticks! 

Re: Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

[Elizabeth via Talk]

When you cannot read what you have written in an 
application such as your email client, does 
pressing insert-backslash to re-draw the screen or maximizing your window help?


Elizabeth

At 11:38 AM 1/29/2016, you wrote:
Hi Brandon, Thanks for your detailed post. I am 
using Windows 7 and I have encountered all of 
WE9.3 problems that you outlined.I am 
writing this email in notepad because trying to 
move around in Thunderbird would only give me a 
bing sound.  When closing programs like Firefox 
and Chrome, WE9.3 crashes and generates an error 
report, which I fill out with as much detail as 
possible.  One day in about 2 hours, I sent 4 
error reports. I strongly suggested everyone 
encountering these problems to post so that the 
magnitude of these problems will be revealed. 
Many thanks, Manny Good Luck, Manny please help 
me reach a million clicks by forwarding my 
stand-up comedy performance to your friends, or 
Tweet or Facebook it. ** ** ** ** ** 
**http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75fbevlz10g ** 
** ** ** ** computer specifications: Window Eyes 
9.3, Dell xps420 Windows 7 home premium, with 
dual boot to windows 10, with 8 gb RAM, Intel® 
Core™2 Quad Processor Q66600 (8M Cache, 2.40 
GHz, 1066 MHz FSB) quad core drivers and 
software updated automatically with Ninite and 
Driver Booster, which sighted assistance is 
needed, but other than that Driver Booster is a 
great program. Recommended software: Firefox, 
Thunderbird, Google Chrome, Winamp, Fritz 12, 
Chessbase 11, MS Office 2010 security: Microsoft 
security essential, Malware Bytes pro, Win 
Patrol, Roboform, Maintenance: C-cleaner, Ultra 
Defrag On 1/29/2016 4:50 AM, Simon Cavendish via 
Talk wrote: > Yes, I’ve been experiencing 
having to relaunch Window-eyes again and again 
because it suddenly goes quiet on me and I 
don’t know what’s going on.  I don’t think 
window-eyes is ready for windows 10. > > 
Simon >> On 29 Jan 2016, at 11:39, Brandon 
Miller via Talk  
wrote: >> >> I'm using Windows 10 home, version 
1511, OS build 10586.71. I'm also using 
Window-eyes 9.3.1. I am currently doing my best 
to contend with annoyances such as: >> 1.  When 
I press alt+F4 to close apps, Wineyes frequently 
says nothing at all. If I want to confirm that 
anything has taken place at all, I often have to 
press the Wineyes read title bar command, 
Ctrl+shift+T. >> 2.  I'm a Microsoft certified 
systems engineer, so I frequently go in and 
delete a whole batch of files from places like 
the temp, %temp%, and prefetch folders to not 
only free up disk space, but to also maintain 
high overall system stability and 
responsiveness. Often times in Windows 10 
however, just as above I am almost always 
greeted by nothing except total silence from 
Wineyes about halfway through this seemingly 
simple operation. Because of my educational 
background, and the level of familiarity that I 
have regarding internal/background Windows 
processes, services and structures, I've been 
able to deduce that as a blind person using 
Window-eyes, you've usually got to alt+tab 
around to find the screen where you have to use 
the Wineyes mouse reading commands to click on 
the "Continue with automatic administrator 
rights" button, and in the same screen I also 
have to use the Wineyes mouse reading keys since 
I tend to put a check in the checkbox that says, 
"Do this for all items". >> 3.  If you access 
the start button and select settings, although 
the screens within are mostly accessible, the 
mouse reading commands can get tripped up and 
are read out by Wineyes in either a nonsensical, 
or undesirable way. To experience for yourself 
what I'm talking about, do the following: >> 
A.  Access the start menu. >> B.  Press up arrow 
until you get to settings. Press enter on 
settings. >> C.  Press right arrow once to move 
the cursor, and subsequently the focus to, the 
devices category and press enter. >> D.  At this 
point, the category that should be automatically 
selected for you by default will more than 
likely be printers and scanners. That's fine. >> 
E.  Now press tab four times, and you should 
arrive at some kind of checkbox regarding 
metered internet connections. >> Wineyes doesn't 
read that checkbox properly when tabbing through 
the screen, and I can't get the mouse reading 
keys to get to that checkbox either! I am able 
to get the Wineyes mouse reading keys to let me 
access the first checkbox of this screen, so I 
know that it for example says, "Let Windows 
manage my default printer". The second checkbox 
on this screen however, is not reading properly 
at all. >> 4.  Last but not least, Window-eyes 
is giving me all kinds of problems when trying 
to do something as simple as write an email with 
Thunderbird! I'll be in the middle of composing 
a simple, old fashioned, plane text email, when 
suddenly and without any kind of warning, 
Window-eyes'll just start announcing my title 
bar as untitled, and not read anything in either 
the su

Re: Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

[Tony C via Talk]

Hi Mark, ;your right about that. A lot of times I myself don't take the time 
to notice exactly what stepts I did right before a Hhick-up happens. LOL


-Original Message- 
From: Marc Solomon via Talk

Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 11:54 AM
To: manny ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Simon Cavendish
Subject: RE: Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

In response to Manny's last post, I believe that having one high quality bug 
report is much more useful than having tens or hundreds of general reports 
that lack important details we need to investigate further. So, before 
posting, please take the time to gather all of the relevant details (i.e. OS 
version, Window-Eyes version, exact steps to duplicate, etc.) and include 
them in your report. Also, I want to reiterate that this list is not an 
official support channel but instead serves as a forum for discussion. If 
you have an issue that is technical in nature and can't find the help you 
need on the list, please contact our support team.

Thanks,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of manny via Talk

Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 11:38 AM
To: Simon Cavendish ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 


Subject: Re: Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

Hi Brandon,
Thanks for your detailed post.
I am using Windows 7 and I have encountered all of WE9.3 problems that you 
outlined.
  I am writing this email in notepad because trying to move around in 
Thunderbird would only give me a bing sound.  When closing programs like 
Firefox and Chrome, WE9.3 crashes and generates an error report, which I 
fill out with as much detail as possible.  One day in about 2 hours, I sent 
4 error reports.


I strongly suggested everyone encountering these problems to post so that 
the magnitude of these problems will be revealed.

Many thanks,
Manny

Good Luck, Manny please help me reach a million clicks by forwarding my 
stand-up comedy performance to your friends, or Tweet or Facebook it. **
** ** ** ** **http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75fbevlz10g ** ** ** ** ** 
computer specifications: Window Eyes 9.3, Dell xps420 Windows 7 home 
premium, with dual boot to windows 10, with 8 gb RAM, Intel® Core™2 Quad 
Processor Q6600 (8M Cache, 2.40 GHz, 1066 MHz FSB) quad core drivers and 
software updated automatically with Ninite and Driver Booster, which sighted 
assistance is needed, but other than that Driver Booster is a great program. 
Recommended software: Firefox, Thunderbird, Google Chrome, Winamp, Fritz 12, 
Chessbase 11, MS Office 2010 security:

Microsoft security essential, Malware Bytes pro, Win Patrol, Roboform,
Maintenance: C-cleaner, Ultra Defrag
On 1/29/2016 4:50 AM, Simon Cavendish via Talk wrote:
Yes, I’ve been experiencing having to relaunch Window-eyes again and again 
because it suddenly goes quiet on me and I don’t know what’s going on.  I 
don’t think window-eyes is ready for windows 10.


Simon
On 29 Jan 2016, at 11:39, Brandon Miller via Talk 
 wrote:


I'm using Windows 10 home, version 1511, OS build 10586.71. I'm also 
using Window-eyes 9.3.1. I am currently doing my best to contend with 
annoyances such as:
1.  When I press alt+F4 to close apps, Wineyes frequently says nothing at 
all. If I want to confirm that anything has taken place at all, I often 
have to press the Wineyes read title bar command, Ctrl+shift+T.
2.  I'm a Microsoft certified systems engineer, so I frequently go in and 
delete a whole batch of files from places like the temp, %temp%, and 
prefetch folders to not only free up disk space, but to also maintain 
high overall system stability and responsiveness. Often times in Windows 
10 however, just as above I am almost always greeted by nothing except 
total silence from Wineyes about halfway through this seemingly simple 
operation. Because of my educational background, and the level of 
familiarity that I have regarding internal/background Windows processes, 
services and structures, I've been able to deduce that as a blind person 
using Window-eyes, you've usually got to alt+tab around to find the 
screen where you have to use the Wineyes mouse reading commands to click 
on the "Continue with automatic administrator rights" button, and in the 
same screen I also have to use the Wineyes mouse reading keys since I 
tend to put a check in the checkbox that says, "Do this for all items".
3.  If you access the start button and select settings, although the 
screens within are mostly accessible, the mouse reading commands can get 
tripped up and are read out by Wineyes in either a nonsensical, or 
undesirable way. To experience for yourself what I'm talking about, do 
the following:

A.  Access the start menu.
B.  Press up arrow until you get to settings. Press enter on settings.
C.  Press right arrow once to move the cursor, and subsequently the focus 
to, the devices category and press enter.
D.  At this point, the category that should be automatically selected for

RE: Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

In response to Manny's last post, I believe that having one high quality bug 
report is much more useful than having tens or hundreds of general reports that 
lack important details we need to investigate further. So, before posting, 
please take the time to gather all of the relevant details (i.e. OS version, 
Window-Eyes version, exact steps to duplicate, etc.) and include them in your 
report. Also, I want to reiterate that this list is not an official support 
channel but instead serves as a forum for discussion. If you have an issue that 
is technical in nature and can't find the help you need on the list, please 
contact our support team.
Thanks,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of manny via Talk
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 11:38 AM
To: Simon Cavendish ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

Hi Brandon,
Thanks for your detailed post.
I am using Windows 7 and I have encountered all of WE9.3 problems that you 
outlined.
   I am writing this email in notepad because trying to move around in 
Thunderbird would only give me a bing sound.  When closing programs like 
Firefox and Chrome, WE9.3 crashes and generates an error report, which I fill 
out with as much detail as possible.  One day in about 2 hours, I sent 4 error 
reports.

I strongly suggested everyone encountering these problems to post so that the 
magnitude of these problems will be revealed.
Many thanks,
Manny

Good Luck, Manny please help me reach a million clicks by forwarding my 
stand-up comedy performance to your friends, or Tweet or Facebook it. **
** ** ** ** **http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75fbevlz10g ** ** ** ** ** 
computer specifications: Window Eyes 9.3, Dell xps420 Windows 7 home premium, 
with dual boot to windows 10, with 8 gb RAM, Intel® Core™2 Quad Processor Q6600 
(8M Cache, 2.40 GHz, 1066 MHz FSB) quad core drivers and software updated 
automatically with Ninite and Driver Booster, which sighted assistance is 
needed, but other than that Driver Booster is a great program. Recommended 
software: Firefox, Thunderbird, Google Chrome, Winamp, Fritz 12, Chessbase 11, 
MS Office 2010 security: 
Microsoft security essential, Malware Bytes pro, Win Patrol, Roboform,
Maintenance: C-cleaner, Ultra Defrag
On 1/29/2016 4:50 AM, Simon Cavendish via Talk wrote:
 > Yes, I’ve been experiencing having to relaunch Window-eyes again and again 
 > because it suddenly goes quiet on me and I don’t know what’s going on.  I 
 > don’t think window-eyes is ready for windows 10.
 >
 > Simon
 >> On 29 Jan 2016, at 11:39, Brandon Miller via Talk 
 >>  wrote:
 >>
 >> I'm using Windows 10 home, version 1511, OS build 10586.71. I'm also using 
 >> Window-eyes 9.3.1. I am currently doing my best to contend with annoyances 
 >> such as:
 >> 1.  When I press alt+F4 to close apps, Wineyes frequently says nothing at 
 >> all. If I want to confirm that anything has taken place at all, I often 
 >> have to press the Wineyes read title bar command, Ctrl+shift+T.
 >> 2.  I'm a Microsoft certified systems engineer, so I frequently go in and 
 >> delete a whole batch of files from places like the temp, %temp%, and 
 >> prefetch folders to not only free up disk space, but to also maintain high 
 >> overall system stability and responsiveness. Often times in Windows 10 
 >> however, just as above I am almost always greeted by nothing except total 
 >> silence from Wineyes about halfway through this seemingly simple operation. 
 >> Because of my educational background, and the level of familiarity that I 
 >> have regarding internal/background Windows processes, services and 
 >> structures, I've been able to deduce that as a blind person using 
 >> Window-eyes, you've usually got to alt+tab around to find the screen where 
 >> you have to use the Wineyes mouse reading commands to click on the 
 >> "Continue with automatic administrator rights" button, and in the same 
 >> screen I also have to use the Wineyes mouse reading keys since I tend to 
 >> put a check in the checkbox that says, "Do this for all items".
 >> 3.  If you access the start button and select settings, although the 
 >> screens within are mostly accessible, the mouse reading commands can get 
 >> tripped up and are read out by Wineyes in either a nonsensical, or 
 >> undesirable way. To experience for yourself what I'm talking about, do the 
 >> following:
 >> A.  Access the start menu.
 >> B.  Press up arrow until you get to settings. Press enter on settings.
 >> C.  Press right arrow once to move the cursor, and subsequently the focus 
 >> to, the devices category and press enter.
 >> D.  At this point, the category that should be automatically selected for 
 >> you by default will more than likely be printers and scanners. That's fine.
 >> E.  Now press tab four times, and you should arrive at some kind of 
 >> checkbox regarding metered internet connections.
 >> Winey

Re: Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I forgot to say I have the latest window eyes and windows seven 
professional.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 11:52 AM
To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

I don't know what setting I have accidentally changed about a month ago, but
suddenly, my window eyes keeps jumping around.  If I am on, say, my
downloads folder and I am looking for something, the cursor won't stay where
I put it.  I have accidentally deleted stuff because the cursor didn't stay
where I thought it was.  I tried refreshing the page, but that doesn't work.
What should I do to get it back where it used to be so it doesn't jump
around like that?  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk

Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 8:56 AM
To: Brandon Miller ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

I've also noticed that WE will a lot of the time place the reading cursor in
the middle of a webpage instead of the top. I can hit ctrl home and go to
the top of the page but this is kinda frustrating to have to do this all the
time.

-Original Message- 
From: Brandon Miller via Talk

Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:39 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com ; talk-requ...@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

I'm using Windows 10 home, version 1511, OS build 10586.71. I'm also
using Window-eyes 9.3.1. I am currently doing my best to contend with
annoyances such as:
1.  When I press alt+F4 to close apps, Wineyes frequently says nothing
at all. If I want to confirm that anything has taken place at all, I
often have to press the Wineyes read title bar command, Ctrl+shift+T.
2.  I'm a Microsoft certified systems engineer, so I frequently go in
and delete a whole batch of files from places like the temp, %temp%, and
prefetch folders to not only free up disk space, but to also maintain
high overall system stability and responsiveness. Often times in Windows
10 however, just as above I am almost always greeted by nothing except
total silence from Wineyes about halfway through this seemingly simple
operation. Because of my educational background, and the level of
familiarity that I have regarding internal/background Windows processes,
services and structures, I've been able to deduce that as a blind person
using Window-eyes, you've usually got to alt+tab around to find the
screen where you have to use the Wineyes mouse reading commands to click
on the "Continue with automatic administrator rights" button, and in the
same screen I also have to use the Wineyes mouse reading keys since I
tend to put a check in the checkbox that says, "Do this for all items".
3.  If you access the start button and select settings, although the
screens within are mostly accessible, the mouse reading commands can get
tripped up and are read out by Wineyes in either a nonsensical, or
undesirable way. To experience for yourself what I'm talking about, do
the following:
A.  Access the start menu.
B.  Press up arrow until you get to settings. Press enter on settings.
C.  Press right arrow once to move the cursor, and subsequently the
focus to, the devices category and press enter.
D.  At this point, the category that should be automatically selected
for you by default will more than likely be printers and scanners.
That's fine.
E.  Now press tab four times, and you should arrive at some kind of
checkbox regarding metered internet connections.
Wineyes doesn't read that checkbox properly when tabbing through the
screen, and I can't get the mouse reading keys to get to that checkbox
either! I am able to get the Wineyes mouse reading keys to let me access
the first checkbox of this screen, so I know that it for example says,
"Let Windows manage my default printer". The second checkbox on this
screen however, is not reading properly at all.
4.  Last but not least, Window-eyes is giving me all kinds of problems
when trying to do something as simple as write an email with
Thunderbird! I'll be in the middle of composing a simple, old fashioned,
plane text email, when suddenly and without any kind of warning,
Window-eyes'll just start announcing my title bar as untitled, and not
read anything in either the subject, or body fields of the message. I
ensure that the window is maximized, makes no difference. I press
Ctrl+alt+W to relaunch Window-eyes, which sometimes does, and sometimes
doesn't make any difference. I've tried uninstalling the TB Enhance app,
thinking that it might not have exactly kept pace with Mozilla's
Thunderbird development team, but doing so also unfortunately made no
discernible difference. I've had to re-launch Window-eyes literally no
less than four times while composing this message alone!
What's up with all these little annoying problems I'm experiencing with
regard to Windows 10 and Window-eyes 9.3.1? Is anybody else contending
with stuff like this?

P.S What the H e double hockysti

Re: Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

[Tony C via Talk]

I'll vote for that. LOL Tony

-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 10:13 AM
To: Simon Cavendish ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

the other thing is most of the time when w e stops talking or when it 
crashes
all to gether no error report is generated. if it did i think this would 
help

on the other hand many users don't want to be bothered haveing to send these
reports.
maybe if you could improve on reporting but have an option in the w e 
control

panel to set  the level of the reporting this could satisfy everyone.
like you could have normal mode and advanced mode. then if some one is 
haveing
alot of hangs and crashes they could turn on advanced mode to report all 
hangs

or crashes.
maybe also have a option to generate a report for the geeks with all the 
errors

the reports send to aisquared.

-Original Message- 
From: Simon Cavendish via Talk

Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:50 AM
To: Brandon Miller ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

Yes, I’ve been experiencing having to relaunch Window-eyes again and again
because it suddenly goes quiet on me and I don’t know what’s going on.  I 
don’t

think window-eyes is ready for windows 10.

Simon
On 29 Jan 2016, at 11:39, Brandon Miller via Talk 
 wrote:


I'm using Windows 10 home, version 1511, OS build 10586.71. I'm also using 
Window-eyes 9.3.1. I am currently doing my best to contend with annoyances 
such as:
1.  When I press alt+F4 to close apps, Wineyes frequently says nothing at 
all. If I want to confirm that anything has taken place at all, I often 
have to press the Wineyes read title bar command, Ctrl+shift+T.
2.  I'm a Microsoft certified systems engineer, so I frequently go in and 
delete a whole batch of files from places like the temp, %temp%, and 
prefetch folders to not only free up disk space, but to also maintain high 
overall system stability and responsiveness. Often times in Windows 10 
however, just as above I am almost always greeted by nothing except total 
silence from Wineyes about halfway through this seemingly simple 
operation. Because of my educational background, and the level of 
familiarity that I have regarding internal/background Windows processes, 
services and structures, I've been able to deduce that as a blind person 
using Window-eyes, you've usually got to alt+tab around to find the screen 
where you have to use the Wineyes mouse reading commands to click on the 
"Continue with automatic administrator rights" button, and in the same 
screen I also have to use the Wineyes mouse reading keys since I tend to 
put a check in the checkbox that says, "Do this for all items".
3.  If you access the start button and select settings, although the 
screens within are mostly accessible, the mouse reading commands can get 
tripped up and are read out by Wineyes in either a nonsensical, or 
undesirable way. To experience for yourself what I'm talking about, do the 
following:

A.  Access the start menu.
B.  Press up arrow until you get to settings. Press enter on settings.
C.  Press right arrow once to move the cursor, and subsequently the focus 
to, the devices category and press enter.
D.  At this point, the category that should be automatically selected for 
you by default will more than likely be printers and scanners. That's 
fine.
E.  Now press tab four times, and you should arrive at some kind of 
checkbox regarding metered internet connections.
Wineyes doesn't read that checkbox properly when tabbing through the 
screen, and I can't get the mouse reading keys to get to that checkbox 
either! I am able to get the Wineyes mouse reading keys to let me access 
the first checkbox of this screen, so I know that it for example says, 
"Let Windows manage my default printer". The second checkbox on this 
screen however, is not reading properly at all.
4.  Last but not least, Window-eyes is giving me all kinds of problems 
when trying to do something as simple as write an email with Thunderbird! 
I'll be in the middle of composing a simple, old fashioned, plane text 
email, when suddenly and without any kind of warning, Window-eyes'll just 
start announcing my title bar as untitled, and not read anything in either 
the subject, or body fields of the message. I ensure that the window is 
maximized, makes no difference. I press Ctrl+alt+W to relaunch 
Window-eyes, which sometimes does, and sometimes doesn't make any 
difference. I've tried uninstalling the TB Enhance app, thinking that it 
might not have exactly kept pace with Mozilla's Thunderbird development 
team, but doing so also unfortunately made no discernible difference. I've 
had to re-launch Window-eyes literally no less than four times while 
composing this message alone!
What's up with all these little annoying problems I'm experiencing with 
regard to Windows 10 and Window-eyes 9.3.1? Is anybody else contending 
with stuff like this?

Re: Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I don't know what setting I have accidentally changed about a month ago, but 
suddenly, my window eyes keeps jumping around.  If I am on, say, my 
downloads folder and I am looking for something, the cursor won't stay where 
I put it.  I have accidentally deleted stuff because the cursor didn't stay 
where I thought it was.  I tried refreshing the page, but that doesn't work. 
What should I do to get it back where it used to be so it doesn't jump 
around like that?  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Tony C via Talk

Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 8:56 AM
To: Brandon Miller ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

I've also noticed that WE will a lot of the time place the reading cursor in
the middle of a webpage instead of the top. I can hit ctrl home and go to
the top of the page but this is kinda frustrating to have to do this all the
time.

-Original Message- 
From: Brandon Miller via Talk

Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:39 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com ; talk-requ...@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

I'm using Windows 10 home, version 1511, OS build 10586.71. I'm also
using Window-eyes 9.3.1. I am currently doing my best to contend with
annoyances such as:
1.  When I press alt+F4 to close apps, Wineyes frequently says nothing
at all. If I want to confirm that anything has taken place at all, I
often have to press the Wineyes read title bar command, Ctrl+shift+T.
2.  I'm a Microsoft certified systems engineer, so I frequently go in
and delete a whole batch of files from places like the temp, %temp%, and
prefetch folders to not only free up disk space, but to also maintain
high overall system stability and responsiveness. Often times in Windows
10 however, just as above I am almost always greeted by nothing except
total silence from Wineyes about halfway through this seemingly simple
operation. Because of my educational background, and the level of
familiarity that I have regarding internal/background Windows processes,
services and structures, I've been able to deduce that as a blind person
using Window-eyes, you've usually got to alt+tab around to find the
screen where you have to use the Wineyes mouse reading commands to click
on the "Continue with automatic administrator rights" button, and in the
same screen I also have to use the Wineyes mouse reading keys since I
tend to put a check in the checkbox that says, "Do this for all items".
3.  If you access the start button and select settings, although the
screens within are mostly accessible, the mouse reading commands can get
tripped up and are read out by Wineyes in either a nonsensical, or
undesirable way. To experience for yourself what I'm talking about, do
the following:
A.  Access the start menu.
B.  Press up arrow until you get to settings. Press enter on settings.
C.  Press right arrow once to move the cursor, and subsequently the
focus to, the devices category and press enter.
D.  At this point, the category that should be automatically selected
for you by default will more than likely be printers and scanners.
That's fine.
E.  Now press tab four times, and you should arrive at some kind of
checkbox regarding metered internet connections.
Wineyes doesn't read that checkbox properly when tabbing through the
screen, and I can't get the mouse reading keys to get to that checkbox
either! I am able to get the Wineyes mouse reading keys to let me access
the first checkbox of this screen, so I know that it for example says,
"Let Windows manage my default printer". The second checkbox on this
screen however, is not reading properly at all.
4.  Last but not least, Window-eyes is giving me all kinds of problems
when trying to do something as simple as write an email with
Thunderbird! I'll be in the middle of composing a simple, old fashioned,
plane text email, when suddenly and without any kind of warning,
Window-eyes'll just start announcing my title bar as untitled, and not
read anything in either the subject, or body fields of the message. I
ensure that the window is maximized, makes no difference. I press
Ctrl+alt+W to relaunch Window-eyes, which sometimes does, and sometimes
doesn't make any difference. I've tried uninstalling the TB Enhance app,
thinking that it might not have exactly kept pace with Mozilla's
Thunderbird development team, but doing so also unfortunately made no
discernible difference. I've had to re-launch Window-eyes literally no
less than four times while composing this message alone!
What's up with all these little annoying problems I'm experiencing with
regard to Windows 10 and Window-eyes 9.3.1? Is anybody else contending
with stuff like this?

P.S What the H e double hockysticks! Now the Read To Me app isn't
working in Thunderbird either! Before you ask, yes, I guarantee you I've
set it up correctly, I would know since I've used it successfully before
on this PC in both Firefox 43, and Internet Explorer 11. Right now
though, Ctrl+shift+r 

Re: Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

[manny via Talk]

Hi Brandon,
Thanks for your detailed post.
I am using Windows 7 and I have encountered all of WE9.3 problems that 
you outlined.
  I am writing this email in notepad because trying to move around in 
Thunderbird would only give me a bing sound.  When closing programs like 
Firefox and Chrome, WE9.3 crashes and generates an error report, which I 
fill out with as much detail as possible.  One day in about 2 hours, I 
sent 4 error reports.


I strongly suggested everyone encountering these problems to post so 
that the magnitude of these problems will be revealed.

Many thanks,
Manny

Good Luck, Manny please help me reach a million clicks by forwarding my 
stand-up comedy performance to your friends, or Tweet or Facebook it. ** 
** ** ** ** **http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75fbevlz10g ** ** ** ** ** 
computer specifications: Window Eyes 9.3, Dell xps420 Windows 7 home 
premium, with dual boot to windows 10, with 8 gb RAM, Intel® Core™2 Quad 
Processor Q6600 (8M Cache, 2.40 GHz, 1066 MHz FSB) quad core drivers and 
software updated automatically with Ninite and Driver Booster, which 
sighted assistance is needed, but other than that Driver Booster is a 
great program. Recommended software: Firefox, Thunderbird, Google 
Chrome, Winamp, Fritz 12, Chessbase 11, MS Office 2010 security: 
Microsoft security essential, Malware Bytes pro, Win Patrol, Roboform, 
Maintenance: C-cleaner, Ultra Defrag

On 1/29/2016 4:50 AM, Simon Cavendish via Talk wrote:
> Yes, I’ve been experiencing having to relaunch Window-eyes again and 
again because it suddenly goes quiet on me and I don’t know what’s going 
on.  I don’t think window-eyes is ready for windows 10.

>
> Simon
>> On 29 Jan 2016, at 11:39, Brandon Miller via Talk 
 wrote:

>>
>> I'm using Windows 10 home, version 1511, OS build 10586.71. I'm also 
using Window-eyes 9.3.1. I am currently doing my best to contend with 
annoyances such as:
>> 1.  When I press alt+F4 to close apps, Wineyes frequently says 
nothing at all. If I want to confirm that anything has taken place at 
all, I often have to press the Wineyes read title bar command, Ctrl+shift+T.
>> 2.  I'm a Microsoft certified systems engineer, so I frequently go 
in and delete a whole batch of files from places like the temp, %temp%, 
and prefetch folders to not only free up disk space, but to also 
maintain high overall system stability and responsiveness. Often times 
in Windows 10 however, just as above I am almost always greeted by 
nothing except total silence from Wineyes about halfway through this 
seemingly simple operation. Because of my educational background, and 
the level of familiarity that I have regarding internal/background 
Windows processes, services and structures, I've been able to deduce 
that as a blind person using Window-eyes, you've usually got to alt+tab 
around to find the screen where you have to use the Wineyes mouse 
reading commands to click on the "Continue with automatic administrator 
rights" button, and in the same screen I also have to use the Wineyes 
mouse reading keys since I tend to put a check in the checkbox that 
says, "Do this for all items".
>> 3.  If you access the start button and select settings, although the 
screens within are mostly accessible, the mouse reading commands can get 
tripped up and are read out by Wineyes in either a nonsensical, or 
undesirable way. To experience for yourself what I'm talking about, do 
the following:

>> A.  Access the start menu.
>> B.  Press up arrow until you get to settings. Press enter on settings.
>> C.  Press right arrow once to move the cursor, and subsequently the 
focus to, the devices category and press enter.
>> D.  At this point, the category that should be automatically 
selected for you by default will more than likely be printers and 
scanners. That's fine.
>> E.  Now press tab four times, and you should arrive at some kind of 
checkbox regarding metered internet connections.
>> Wineyes doesn't read that checkbox properly when tabbing through the 
screen, and I can't get the mouse reading keys to get to that checkbox 
either! I am able to get the Wineyes mouse reading keys to let me access 
the first checkbox of this screen, so I know that it for example says, 
"Let Windows manage my default printer". The second checkbox on this 
screen however, is not reading properly at all.
>> 4.  Last but not least, Window-eyes is giving me all kinds of 
problems when trying to do something as simple as write an email with 
Thunderbird! I'll be in the middle of composing a simple, old fashioned, 
plane text email, when suddenly and without any kind of warning, 
Window-eyes'll just start announcing my title bar as untitled, and not 
read anything in either the subject, or body fields of the message. I 
ensure that the window is maximized, makes no difference. I press 
Ctrl+alt+W to relaunch Window-eyes, which sometimes does, and sometimes 
doesn't make any difference. I've tried uninstalling the TB Enhance app, 
thinking that i

Re: Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

[net bat via Talk]

the other thing is most of the time when w e stops talking or when it crashes 
all to gether no error report is generated. if it did i think this would help
on the other hand many users don't want to be bothered haveing to send these 
reports.
maybe if you could improve on reporting but have an option in the w e control 
panel to set  the level of the reporting this could satisfy everyone.
like you could have normal mode and advanced mode. then if some one is haveing 
alot of hangs and crashes they could turn on advanced mode to report all hangs 
or crashes.
maybe also have a option to generate a report for the geeks with all the errors 
the reports send to aisquared.


-Original Message- 
From: Simon Cavendish via Talk

Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:50 AM
To: Brandon Miller ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

Yes, I’ve been experiencing having to relaunch Window-eyes again and again 
because it suddenly goes quiet on me and I don’t know what’s going on.  I don’t 
think window-eyes is ready for windows 10.


Simon
On 29 Jan 2016, at 11:39, Brandon Miller via Talk 
 wrote:


I'm using Windows 10 home, version 1511, OS build 10586.71. I'm also using 
Window-eyes 9.3.1. I am currently doing my best to contend with annoyances 
such as:
1.  When I press alt+F4 to close apps, Wineyes frequently says nothing at 
all. If I want to confirm that anything has taken place at all, I often have 
to press the Wineyes read title bar command, Ctrl+shift+T.
2.  I'm a Microsoft certified systems engineer, so I frequently go in and 
delete a whole batch of files from places like the temp, %temp%, and prefetch 
folders to not only free up disk space, but to also maintain high overall 
system stability and responsiveness. Often times in Windows 10 however, just 
as above I am almost always greeted by nothing except total silence from 
Wineyes about halfway through this seemingly simple operation. Because of my 
educational background, and the level of familiarity that I have regarding 
internal/background Windows processes, services and structures, I've been 
able to deduce that as a blind person using Window-eyes, you've usually got 
to alt+tab around to find the screen where you have to use the Wineyes mouse 
reading commands to click on the "Continue with automatic administrator 
rights" button, and in the same screen I also have to use the Wineyes mouse 
reading keys since I tend to put a check in the checkbox that says, "Do this 
for all items".
3.  If you access the start button and select settings, although the screens 
within are mostly accessible, the mouse reading commands can get tripped up 
and are read out by Wineyes in either a nonsensical, or undesirable way. To 
experience for yourself what I'm talking about, do the following:

A.  Access the start menu.
B.  Press up arrow until you get to settings. Press enter on settings.
C.  Press right arrow once to move the cursor, and subsequently the focus to, 
the devices category and press enter.
D.  At this point, the category that should be automatically selected for you 
by default will more than likely be printers and scanners. That's fine.
E.  Now press tab four times, and you should arrive at some kind of checkbox 
regarding metered internet connections.
Wineyes doesn't read that checkbox properly when tabbing through the screen, 
and I can't get the mouse reading keys to get to that checkbox either! I am 
able to get the Wineyes mouse reading keys to let me access the first 
checkbox of this screen, so I know that it for example says, "Let Windows 
manage my default printer". The second checkbox on this screen however, is 
not reading properly at all.
4.  Last but not least, Window-eyes is giving me all kinds of problems when 
trying to do something as simple as write an email with Thunderbird! I'll be 
in the middle of composing a simple, old fashioned, plane text email, when 
suddenly and without any kind of warning, Window-eyes'll just start 
announcing my title bar as untitled, and not read anything in either the 
subject, or body fields of the message. I ensure that the window is 
maximized, makes no difference. I press Ctrl+alt+W to relaunch Window-eyes, 
which sometimes does, and sometimes doesn't make any difference. I've tried 
uninstalling the TB Enhance app, thinking that it might not have exactly kept 
pace with Mozilla's Thunderbird development team, but doing so also 
unfortunately made no discernible difference. I've had to re-launch 
Window-eyes literally no less than four times while composing this message 
alone!
What's up with all these little annoying problems I'm experiencing with 
regard to Windows 10 and Window-eyes 9.3.1? Is anybody else contending with 
stuff like this?


P.S What the H e double hockysticks! Now the Read To Me app isn't working in 
Thunderbird either! Before you ask, yes, I guarantee you I've set it up 
correctly, I would know since I've used it successfully before on thi

RE: Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Tony,

As a reminder, when providing feedback and bug reports, we need you to provide 
the following detals:

1. Operating system version
2. Window-Eyes version and synthesizer
3. Other computer details such as web browser or Office version
3. Exact steps to duplicate the problem

Without this information, we have no way to try and reproduce the problem which 
is the first step in fixing a bug.

Thanks,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 8:53 AM
To: Brandon Miller ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

Hi, yes, I'm having the same problem, also in IE on facebook when tagging 
friends WE will most often not tell me "check box checked" when I hit the space 
bar beside someones name to tag them. WE also just looses focus and I have to 
hit alt tab 1 time and then we will continue reading. Also while replying to 
this messageI hope it is correc this time the message is maxed but cannot read 
it.
Tony
  the first try when if finished I tried to proof read it to find outthat only 
the first 5 words actually typed into the message, so this is my secont attempt.
-Original Message-
From: Brandon Miller via Talk
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:39 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com ; talk-requ...@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

I'm using Windows 10 home, version 1511, OS build 10586.71. I'm also using 
Window-eyes 9.3.1. I am currently doing my best to contend with annoyances such 
as:
1.  When I press alt+F4 to close apps, Wineyes frequently says nothing at all. 
If I want to confirm that anything has taken place at all, I often have to 
press the Wineyes read title bar command, Ctrl+shift+T.
2.  I'm a Microsoft certified systems engineer, so I frequently go in and 
delete a whole batch of files from places like the temp, %temp%, and prefetch 
folders to not only free up disk space, but to also maintain high overall 
system stability and responsiveness. Often times in Windows
10 however, just as above I am almost always greeted by nothing except total 
silence from Wineyes about halfway through this seemingly simple operation. 
Because of my educational background, and the level of familiarity that I have 
regarding internal/background Windows processes, services and structures, I've 
been able to deduce that as a blind person using Window-eyes, you've usually 
got to alt+tab around to find the screen where you have to use the Wineyes 
mouse reading commands to click on the "Continue with automatic administrator 
rights" button, and in the same screen I also have to use the Wineyes mouse 
reading keys since I tend to put a check in the checkbox that says, "Do this 
for all items".
3.  If you access the start button and select settings, although the screens 
within are mostly accessible, the mouse reading commands can get tripped up and 
are read out by Wineyes in either a nonsensical, or undesirable way. To 
experience for yourself what I'm talking about, do the following:
A.  Access the start menu.
B.  Press up arrow until you get to settings. Press enter on settings.
C.  Press right arrow once to move the cursor, and subsequently the focus to, 
the devices category and press enter.
D.  At this point, the category that should be automatically selected for you 
by default will more than likely be printers and scanners.
That's fine.
E.  Now press tab four times, and you should arrive at some kind of checkbox 
regarding metered internet connections.
Wineyes doesn't read that checkbox properly when tabbing through the screen, 
and I can't get the mouse reading keys to get to that checkbox either! I am 
able to get the Wineyes mouse reading keys to let me access the first checkbox 
of this screen, so I know that it for example says, "Let Windows manage my 
default printer". The second checkbox on this screen however, is not reading 
properly at all.
4.  Last but not least, Window-eyes is giving me all kinds of problems when 
trying to do something as simple as write an email with Thunderbird! I'll be in 
the middle of composing a simple, old fashioned, plane text email, when 
suddenly and without any kind of warning, Window-eyes'll just start announcing 
my title bar as untitled, and not read anything in either the subject, or body 
fields of the message. I ensure that the window is maximized, makes no 
difference. I press
Ctrl+alt+W to relaunch Window-eyes, which sometimes does, and sometimes
doesn't make any difference. I've tried uninstalling the TB Enhance app, 
thinking that it might not have exactly kept pace with Mozilla's Thunderbird 
development team, but doing so also unfortunately made no discernible 
difference. I've had to re-launch Window-eyes literally no less than four times 
while composing this message alone!
What's up with all these little annoying problems I'm experiencing with regard 
to

RE: Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Hi Elizabeth,

Regretfully, your observation about NVDA does not provide any additional 
insight into the loss of speech issue you experienced.  We need you to provide 
your computer system specs and exact steps to duplicate the problem to help.

Thanks,
Marc

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Elizabeth via Talk
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 10:08 AM
To: Simon Cavendish ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

I have both Window-eyes and NVDA on my system. 
When Window-eyes goes silent, I start NVDA. 
Often, starting NVDA makes Window-eyes begin to speak again. No idea whatsoever 
about what causes this behavior. I hope it serves as a clue to the Window-eyes 
developers though when they go toward solving this problem of Window-eyes going 
silent without warning.

Elizabeth

At 09:50 AM 1/29/2016, you wrote:
>Yes, I’ve been experiencing having to relaunch Window-eyes again and 
>again because it suddenly goes quiet on me and I don’t know what’s 
>going on.  I don’t think window-eyes is ready for windows 10. Simon > 
>On 29 Jan 2016, at 11:39, Brandon Miller via Talk 
> wrote: > > I'm using Windows 10 home, 
>version 1511, OS build 10586.71. I'm also using Window-eyes 9.3.1. I am 
>currently doing my best to contend with annoyances such as: > 1.  When 
>I press alt+F4 to close apps, Wineyes frequently says nothing at all. 
>If I want to confirm that anything has taken place at all, I often have 
>to press the Wineyes read title bar command, Ctrl+shift+T. > 2.  I'm a 
>Microsoft certified systems engineer, so I frequently go in and delete 
>a whole batch of files from places like the temp, %temp%, and prefetch 
>folders to not only free up disk space, but to also maintain high 
>overall system stability and responsiveness. Often times in Windows 10 
>however, just as above I am almost always greeted by nothing except 
>total silence from Wineyes about halfway through this seemingly simple 
>operation. Because of my educational background, and the level of 
>familiarity that I have regarding internal/background Windows 
>processes, services and structures, I've been able to deduce that as a 
>blind person using Window-eyes, you've usually got to alt+tab around to 
>find the screen where you have to use the Wineyes mouse reading 
>commands to click on the "Continue with automatic administrator rights" 
>button, and in the same screen I also have to use the Wineyes mouse 
>reading keys since I tend to put a check in the checkbox that says, "Do 
>this for all items". > 3.  If you access the start button and select 
>settings, although the screens within are mostly accessible, the mouse 
>reading commands can get tripped up and are read out by Wineyes in 
>either a nonsensical, or undesirable way. To experience for yourself 
>what I'm talking about, do the following: > A.  Access the start menu. 
>> B.  Press up arrow until you get to settings.
>Press enter on settings. > C.  Press right arrow once to move the 
>cursor, and subsequently the focus to, the devices category and press 
>enter. > D.  At this point, the category that should be automatically 
>selected for you by default will more than likely be printers and 
>scanners. That's fine. > E.  Now press tab four times, and you should 
>arrive at some kind of checkbox regarding metered internet connections. 
>> Wineyes doesn't read that checkbox properly when tabbing through the 
>screen, and I can't get the mouse reading keys to get to that checkbox 
>either! I am able to get the Wineyes mouse reading keys to let me 
>access the first checkbox of this screen, so I know that it for example 
>says, "Let Windows manage my default printer". The second checkbox on 
>this screen however, is not reading properly at all. > 4.  Last but not 
>least, Window-eyes is giving me all kinds of problems when trying to do 
>something as simple as write an email with Thunderbird! I'll be in the 
>middle of composing a simple, old fashioned, plane text email, when 
>suddenly and without any kind of warning, Window-eyes'll just start 
>announcing my title bar as untitled, and not read anything in either 
>the subject, or body fields of the message. I ensure that the window is 
>maximized, makes no difference. I press Ctrl+alt+W to relaunch 
>Window-eyes, which sometimes does, and sometimes doesn't make any 
>difference. I've tried uninstalling the TB Enhance app, thinking that 
>it might not have exactly kept pace with Mozilla's Thunderbird 
>development team, but doing so also unfortunately made no discernible 
>difference. I've had to re-launch Window-eyes literally no less than 
>four times while composing this message alone! > What's up with all 
>these little annoying problems I'm experiencing with regard to Windows 
>10 and Window-eyes 9.3.1? Is anybody else contending with stuff like 
>this? > > P.S What the H e double hockysticks! Now the Read

RE: Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

[Marc Solomon via Talk]

Hi Brandon,

Thanks for the detailed feedback. I just tested this out on my Windows 10 Pro 
PC also running version 1511 and Window-Eyes 9.3.1.

Regarding #1, I opened Notepad, typed some text, pressed Alt-F4 and then N to 
not save. Focus moved to my Desktop list of shortcuts after Notepad closed and 
Window-Eyes read the focused item on my Desktop. Window-Eyes does not try to 
force focus to a specific location after a program shuts down. So, if Windows 
puts focus in no man's land, there are now focus events being fired for 
Window-Eyes to react to. I appreciate your desire to have Window-Eyes always 
announce where you are and where you are going but we have to rely on Windows 
for this type of info and don't always get it. Exact steps to reliably 
duplicate the problem would be need to investigate this further.

Regarding #2, I opened the Temp folder in File Explorer, selected about 30 
files and then hit delete. The file operation dialog popped up for just a 
moment to display a progress bar and then closed. But, when the dialog gained 
focus, Window-Eyes did start to announce the focused control in the window. 
But, since the window was only displayed for a split second there wasn't much 
time for Window-Eyes to read everything in the dialog. After the dialog closed, 
my focus returned to the list of files in File Explorer. The currently selected 
file was announced by Window-Eyes. Again, exact steps to reliably duplicate the 
problem would be need to investigate this further.

Regarding #3, when I tabbed to the Download over metered connections toggle 
switch control in the Settings app, Window-Eyes reads the control's label 
followed by off toggle switch. But, when I toggle the value from Off to On with 
Spacebar, Window-Eyes does not automatically announce the new value. I had to 
Tab and Shift-Tab to verify the new value of the control. I will report this to 
my team to see if this is something we can fix or if it is something we need to 
report to Microsoft.

Regarding #4, I don't use Thunderbird so I am unable to test it out. I would 
recommend you contact our support team directly by phone or email to see if 
they can duplicate the problem or provide a fix.

As a closing note, please be advised that reading the screen with the Mouse 
pointer relies on the Window-Eyes off screen model. Unlike accessibility APIs 
like MSAA and UIA that are designed to provide specific details about what is 
on the screen to assistive technology, the off screen model is something that 
we have to build ourselves by tapping into the video stream. In other words, 
instead of communicating directly with a program via an approved accessibility 
API to query the focused control or window contents, we have to try and create 
a virtual representation of the screen using the video stream. This technique 
is never going to be 100% reliable and should only be used when traditional 
keyboard techniques fail. As time goes on, due to security considerations in 
the OS and programming frameworks, screen reader manufacturers will have more 
and more difficulty maintaining an accurate off screen model. After all, the 
techniques we have to rely on to create an off screen model
  are not supported by the operating system and can be considered a form of 
hacking. But, hacking for accessibility not for malicious intent.

Regards,
Marc



-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Brandon Miller via Talk
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:40 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com; talk-requ...@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

I'm using Windows 10 home, version 1511, OS build 10586.71. I'm also using 
Window-eyes 9.3.1. I am currently doing my best to contend with annoyances such 
as:
1.  When I press alt+F4 to close apps, Wineyes frequently says nothing at all. 
If I want to confirm that anything has taken place at all, I often have to 
press the Wineyes read title bar command, Ctrl+shift+T.
2.  I'm a Microsoft certified systems engineer, so I frequently go in and 
delete a whole batch of files from places like the temp, %temp%, and prefetch 
folders to not only free up disk space, but to also maintain high overall 
system stability and responsiveness. Often times in Windows
10 however, just as above I am almost always greeted by nothing except total 
silence from Wineyes about halfway through this seemingly simple operation. 
Because of my educational background, and the level of familiarity that I have 
regarding internal/background Windows processes, services and structures, I've 
been able to deduce that as a blind person using Window-eyes, you've usually 
got to alt+tab around to find the screen where you have to use the Wineyes 
mouse reading commands to click on the "Continue with automatic administrator 
rights" button, and in the same screen I also have to use the Wineyes mouse 
reading keys since I tend to put a check in th

Re: Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

[Elizabeth via Talk]

I have both Window-eyes and NVDA on my system. 
When Window-eyes goes silent, I start NVDA. 
Often, starting NVDA makes Window-eyes begin to 
speak again. No idea whatsoever about what causes 
this behavior. I hope it serves as a clue to the 
Window-eyes developers though when they go toward 
solving this problem of Window-eyes going silent without warning.


Elizabeth

At 09:50 AM 1/29/2016, you wrote:
Yes, I’ve been experiencing having to relaunch 
Window-eyes again and again because it suddenly 
goes quiet on me and I don’t know what’s 
going on.  I don’t think window-eyes is ready 
for windows 10. Simon > On 29 Jan 2016, at 
11:39, Brandon Miller via Talk 
 wrote: > > I'm 
using Windows 10 home, version 1511, OS build 
10586.71. I'm also using Window-eyes 9.3.1. I am 
currently doing my best to contend with 
annoyances such as: > 1.  When I press alt+F4 to 
close apps, Wineyes frequently says nothing at 
all. If I want to confirm that anything has 
taken place at all, I often have to press the 
Wineyes read title bar command, Ctrl+shift+T. > 
2.  I'm a Microsoft certified systems engineer, 
so I frequently go in and delete a whole batch 
of files from places like the temp, %temp%, and 
prefetch folders to not only free up disk space, 
but to also maintain high overall system 
stability and responsiveness. Often times in 
Windows 10 however, just as above I am almost 
always greeted by nothing except total silence 
from Wineyes about halfway through this 
seemingly simple operation. Because of my 
educational background, and the level of 
familiarity that I have regarding 
internal/background Windows processes, services 
and structures, I've been able to deduce that as 
a blind person using Window-eyes, you've usually 
got to alt+tab around to find the screen where 
you have to use the Wineyes mouse reading 
commands to click on the "Continue with 
automatic administrator rights" button, and in 
the same screen I also have to use the Wineyes 
mouse reading keys since I tend to put a check 
in the checkbox that says, "Do this for all 
items". > 3.  If you access the start button and 
select settings, although the screens within are 
mostly accessible, the mouse reading commands 
can get tripped up and are read out by Wineyes 
in either a nonsensical, or undesirable way. To 
experience for yourself what I'm talking about, 
do the following: > A.  Access the start menu. > 
B.  Press up arrow until you get to settings. 
Press enter on settings. > C.  Press right arrow 
once to move the cursor, and subsequently the 
focus to, the devices category and press 
enter. > D.  At this point, the category that 
should be automatically selected for you by 
default will more than likely be printers and 
scanners. That's fine. > E.  Now press tab four 
times, and you should arrive at some kind of 
checkbox regarding metered internet 
connections. > Wineyes doesn't read that 
checkbox properly when tabbing through the 
screen, and I can't get the mouse reading keys 
to get to that checkbox either! I am able to get 
the Wineyes mouse reading keys to let me access 
the first checkbox of this screen, so I know 
that it for example says, "Let Windows manage my 
default printer". The second checkbox on this 
screen however, is not reading properly at 
all. > 4.  Last but not least, Window-eyes is 
giving me all kinds of problems when trying to 
do something as simple as write an email with 
Thunderbird! I'll be in the middle of composing 
a simple, old fashioned, plane text email, when 
suddenly and without any kind of warning, 
Window-eyes'll just start announcing my title 
bar as untitled, and not read anything in either 
the subject, or body fields of the message. I 
ensure that the window is maximized, makes no 
difference. I press Ctrl+alt+W to relaunch 
Window-eyes, which sometimes does, and sometimes 
doesn't make any difference. I've tried 
uninstalling the TB Enhance app, thinking that 
it might not have exactly kept pace with 
Mozilla's Thunderbird development team, but 
doing so also unfortunately made no discernible 
difference. I've had to re-launch Window-eyes 
literally no less than four times while 
composing this message alone! > What's up with 
all these little annoying problems I'm 
experiencing with regard to Windows 10 and 
Window-eyes 9.3.1? Is anybody else contending 
with stuff like this? > > P.S What the H e 
double hockysticks! Now the Read To Me app isn't 
working in Thunderbird either! Before you ask, 
yes, I guarantee you I've set it up correctly, I 
would know since I've used it successfully 
before on this PC in both Firefox 43, and 
Internet Explorer 11. Right now though, 
Ctrl+shift+r at the top of the message? Nothing. 
Ctrl+shift+r in the middle of the message? Nada. 
Ctrl+shift+r in the middle of a line in the 
middle of the message? Zilch. Zippo. Gr! Ai 
Squared, what gives! > > Disclaimer: Be advised; 
It is possible that this communication is being 
monitored by the National

Re: Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

[Simon Cavendish via Talk]

Yes, I’ve been experiencing having to relaunch Window-eyes again and again 
because it suddenly goes quiet on me and I don’t know what’s going on.  I don’t 
think window-eyes is ready for windows 10.

Simon
> On 29 Jan 2016, at 11:39, Brandon Miller via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm using Windows 10 home, version 1511, OS build 10586.71. I'm also using 
> Window-eyes 9.3.1. I am currently doing my best to contend with annoyances 
> such as:
> 1.  When I press alt+F4 to close apps, Wineyes frequently says nothing at 
> all. If I want to confirm that anything has taken place at all, I often have 
> to press the Wineyes read title bar command, Ctrl+shift+T.
> 2.  I'm a Microsoft certified systems engineer, so I frequently go in and 
> delete a whole batch of files from places like the temp, %temp%, and prefetch 
> folders to not only free up disk space, but to also maintain high overall 
> system stability and responsiveness. Often times in Windows 10 however, just 
> as above I am almost always greeted by nothing except total silence from 
> Wineyes about halfway through this seemingly simple operation. Because of my 
> educational background, and the level of familiarity that I have regarding 
> internal/background Windows processes, services and structures, I've been 
> able to deduce that as a blind person using Window-eyes, you've usually got 
> to alt+tab around to find the screen where you have to use the Wineyes mouse 
> reading commands to click on the "Continue with automatic administrator 
> rights" button, and in the same screen I also have to use the Wineyes mouse 
> reading keys since I tend to put a check in the checkbox that says, "Do this 
> for all items".
> 3.  If you access the start button and select settings, although the screens 
> within are mostly accessible, the mouse reading commands can get tripped up 
> and are read out by Wineyes in either a nonsensical, or undesirable way. To 
> experience for yourself what I'm talking about, do the following:
> A.  Access the start menu.
> B.  Press up arrow until you get to settings. Press enter on settings.
> C.  Press right arrow once to move the cursor, and subsequently the focus to, 
> the devices category and press enter.
> D.  At this point, the category that should be automatically selected for you 
> by default will more than likely be printers and scanners. That's fine.
> E.  Now press tab four times, and you should arrive at some kind of checkbox 
> regarding metered internet connections.
> Wineyes doesn't read that checkbox properly when tabbing through the screen, 
> and I can't get the mouse reading keys to get to that checkbox either! I am 
> able to get the Wineyes mouse reading keys to let me access the first 
> checkbox of this screen, so I know that it for example says, "Let Windows 
> manage my default printer". The second checkbox on this screen however, is 
> not reading properly at all.
> 4.  Last but not least, Window-eyes is giving me all kinds of problems when 
> trying to do something as simple as write an email with Thunderbird! I'll be 
> in the middle of composing a simple, old fashioned, plane text email, when 
> suddenly and without any kind of warning, Window-eyes'll just start 
> announcing my title bar as untitled, and not read anything in either the 
> subject, or body fields of the message. I ensure that the window is 
> maximized, makes no difference. I press Ctrl+alt+W to relaunch Window-eyes, 
> which sometimes does, and sometimes doesn't make any difference. I've tried 
> uninstalling the TB Enhance app, thinking that it might not have exactly kept 
> pace with Mozilla's Thunderbird development team, but doing so also 
> unfortunately made no discernible difference. I've had to re-launch 
> Window-eyes literally no less than four times while composing this message 
> alone!
> What's up with all these little annoying problems I'm experiencing with 
> regard to Windows 10 and Window-eyes 9.3.1? Is anybody else contending with 
> stuff like this?
> 
> P.S What the H e double hockysticks! Now the Read To Me app isn't working in 
> Thunderbird either! Before you ask, yes, I guarantee you I've set it up 
> correctly, I would know since I've used it successfully before on this PC in 
> both Firefox 43, and Internet Explorer 11. Right now though, Ctrl+shift+r at 
> the top of the message? Nothing. Ctrl+shift+r in the middle of the message? 
> Nada. Ctrl+shift+r in the middle of a line in the middle of the message? 
> Zilch. Zippo. Gr! Ai Squared, what gives!
> 
> Disclaimer: Be advised; It is possible that this communication is being 
> monitored by the National Security Agency or GCHQ.
> I   neither condone, or support, any such policy by any Government authority 
> that does not comply appropriately as stipulated by the fourth Amendment of 
> the constitution of the United States of America.
> 
> Brandon Dean Miller
> 
> ___
> Any views or opinions presented in this e

Re: Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

[Tony C via Talk]

I've also noticed that WE will a lot of the time place the reading cursor in 
the middle of a webpage instead of the top. I can hit ctrl home and go to 
the top of the page but this is kinda frustrating to have to do this all the 
time.


-Original Message- 
From: Brandon Miller via Talk

Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:39 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com ; talk-requ...@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

I'm using Windows 10 home, version 1511, OS build 10586.71. I'm also
using Window-eyes 9.3.1. I am currently doing my best to contend with
annoyances such as:
1.  When I press alt+F4 to close apps, Wineyes frequently says nothing
at all. If I want to confirm that anything has taken place at all, I
often have to press the Wineyes read title bar command, Ctrl+shift+T.
2.  I'm a Microsoft certified systems engineer, so I frequently go in
and delete a whole batch of files from places like the temp, %temp%, and
prefetch folders to not only free up disk space, but to also maintain
high overall system stability and responsiveness. Often times in Windows
10 however, just as above I am almost always greeted by nothing except
total silence from Wineyes about halfway through this seemingly simple
operation. Because of my educational background, and the level of
familiarity that I have regarding internal/background Windows processes,
services and structures, I've been able to deduce that as a blind person
using Window-eyes, you've usually got to alt+tab around to find the
screen where you have to use the Wineyes mouse reading commands to click
on the "Continue with automatic administrator rights" button, and in the
same screen I also have to use the Wineyes mouse reading keys since I
tend to put a check in the checkbox that says, "Do this for all items".
3.  If you access the start button and select settings, although the
screens within are mostly accessible, the mouse reading commands can get
tripped up and are read out by Wineyes in either a nonsensical, or
undesirable way. To experience for yourself what I'm talking about, do
the following:
A.  Access the start menu.
B.  Press up arrow until you get to settings. Press enter on settings.
C.  Press right arrow once to move the cursor, and subsequently the
focus to, the devices category and press enter.
D.  At this point, the category that should be automatically selected
for you by default will more than likely be printers and scanners.
That's fine.
E.  Now press tab four times, and you should arrive at some kind of
checkbox regarding metered internet connections.
Wineyes doesn't read that checkbox properly when tabbing through the
screen, and I can't get the mouse reading keys to get to that checkbox
either! I am able to get the Wineyes mouse reading keys to let me access
the first checkbox of this screen, so I know that it for example says,
"Let Windows manage my default printer". The second checkbox on this
screen however, is not reading properly at all.
4.  Last but not least, Window-eyes is giving me all kinds of problems
when trying to do something as simple as write an email with
Thunderbird! I'll be in the middle of composing a simple, old fashioned,
plane text email, when suddenly and without any kind of warning,
Window-eyes'll just start announcing my title bar as untitled, and not
read anything in either the subject, or body fields of the message. I
ensure that the window is maximized, makes no difference. I press
Ctrl+alt+W to relaunch Window-eyes, which sometimes does, and sometimes
doesn't make any difference. I've tried uninstalling the TB Enhance app,
thinking that it might not have exactly kept pace with Mozilla's
Thunderbird development team, but doing so also unfortunately made no
discernible difference. I've had to re-launch Window-eyes literally no
less than four times while composing this message alone!
What's up with all these little annoying problems I'm experiencing with
regard to Windows 10 and Window-eyes 9.3.1? Is anybody else contending
with stuff like this?

P.S What the H e double hockysticks! Now the Read To Me app isn't
working in Thunderbird either! Before you ask, yes, I guarantee you I've
set it up correctly, I would know since I've used it successfully before
on this PC in both Firefox 43, and Internet Explorer 11. Right now
though, Ctrl+shift+r at the top of the message? Nothing. Ctrl+shift+r in
the middle of the message? Nada. Ctrl+shift+r in the middle of a line in
the middle of the message? Zilch. Zippo. Gr! Ai Squared, what gives!

Disclaimer: Be advised; It is possible that this communication is being 
monitored by the National Security Agency or GCHQ.
I   neither condone, or support, any such policy by any Government authority 
that does not comply appropriately as stipulated by the fourth Amendment of 
the constitution of the United States of America.


Brandon Dean Miller

___
Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely tho

Re: Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

[Tony C via Talk]

Hi, yes, I'm having the same problem, also in IE on facebook when tagging 
friends WE will most often not tell me "check box checked" when I hit the 
space bar beside someones name to tag them. WE also just looses focus and I 
have to hit alt tab 1 time and then we will continue reading. Also while 
replying to this messageI hope it is correc this time the message is maxed 
but cannot read it.

Tony
 the first try when if finished I tried to proof read it to find outthat 
only the first 5 words actually typed into the message, so this is my secont 
attempt.
-Original Message- 
From: Brandon Miller via Talk

Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:39 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com ; talk-requ...@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

I'm using Windows 10 home, version 1511, OS build 10586.71. I'm also
using Window-eyes 9.3.1. I am currently doing my best to contend with
annoyances such as:
1.  When I press alt+F4 to close apps, Wineyes frequently says nothing
at all. If I want to confirm that anything has taken place at all, I
often have to press the Wineyes read title bar command, Ctrl+shift+T.
2.  I'm a Microsoft certified systems engineer, so I frequently go in
and delete a whole batch of files from places like the temp, %temp%, and
prefetch folders to not only free up disk space, but to also maintain
high overall system stability and responsiveness. Often times in Windows
10 however, just as above I am almost always greeted by nothing except
total silence from Wineyes about halfway through this seemingly simple
operation. Because of my educational background, and the level of
familiarity that I have regarding internal/background Windows processes,
services and structures, I've been able to deduce that as a blind person
using Window-eyes, you've usually got to alt+tab around to find the
screen where you have to use the Wineyes mouse reading commands to click
on the "Continue with automatic administrator rights" button, and in the
same screen I also have to use the Wineyes mouse reading keys since I
tend to put a check in the checkbox that says, "Do this for all items".
3.  If you access the start button and select settings, although the
screens within are mostly accessible, the mouse reading commands can get
tripped up and are read out by Wineyes in either a nonsensical, or
undesirable way. To experience for yourself what I'm talking about, do
the following:
A.  Access the start menu.
B.  Press up arrow until you get to settings. Press enter on settings.
C.  Press right arrow once to move the cursor, and subsequently the
focus to, the devices category and press enter.
D.  At this point, the category that should be automatically selected
for you by default will more than likely be printers and scanners.
That's fine.
E.  Now press tab four times, and you should arrive at some kind of
checkbox regarding metered internet connections.
Wineyes doesn't read that checkbox properly when tabbing through the
screen, and I can't get the mouse reading keys to get to that checkbox
either! I am able to get the Wineyes mouse reading keys to let me access
the first checkbox of this screen, so I know that it for example says,
"Let Windows manage my default printer". The second checkbox on this
screen however, is not reading properly at all.
4.  Last but not least, Window-eyes is giving me all kinds of problems
when trying to do something as simple as write an email with
Thunderbird! I'll be in the middle of composing a simple, old fashioned,
plane text email, when suddenly and without any kind of warning,
Window-eyes'll just start announcing my title bar as untitled, and not
read anything in either the subject, or body fields of the message. I
ensure that the window is maximized, makes no difference. I press
Ctrl+alt+W to relaunch Window-eyes, which sometimes does, and sometimes
doesn't make any difference. I've tried uninstalling the TB Enhance app,
thinking that it might not have exactly kept pace with Mozilla's
Thunderbird development team, but doing so also unfortunately made no
discernible difference. I've had to re-launch Window-eyes literally no
less than four times while composing this message alone!
What's up with all these little annoying problems I'm experiencing with
regard to Windows 10 and Window-eyes 9.3.1? Is anybody else contending
with stuff like this?

P.S What the H e double hockysticks! Now the Read To Me app isn't
working in Thunderbird either! Before you ask, yes, I guarantee you I've
set it up correctly, I would know since I've used it successfully before
on this PC in both Firefox 43, and Internet Explorer 11. Right now
though, Ctrl+shift+r at the top of the message? Nothing. Ctrl+shift+r in
the middle of the message? Nada. Ctrl+shift+r in the middle of a line in
the middle of the message? Zilch. Zippo. Gr! Ai Squared, what gives!

Disclaimer: Be advised; It is possible that this communication is being 
monitored by the National Security Agency or GCHQ.
I   neither

RE: Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

[Peter Duran via Talk]

Hello Brandon,

What a great post!  Please frequently post to this list on Windows 10 and
Window-Eyes issues, for your expertise is greatly needed on this list.

The best, Peter Duran

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Brandon Miller via Talk
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:40 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com; talk-requ...@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

I'm using Windows 10 home, version 1511, OS build 10586.71. I'm also using
Window-eyes 9.3.1. I am currently doing my best to contend with annoyances
such as:
1.  When I press alt+F4 to close apps, Wineyes frequently says nothing at
all. If I want to confirm that anything has taken place at all, I often have
to press the Wineyes read title bar command, Ctrl+shift+T.
2.  I'm a Microsoft certified systems engineer, so I frequently go in and
delete a whole batch of files from places like the temp, %temp%, and
prefetch folders to not only free up disk space, but to also maintain high
overall system stability and responsiveness. Often times in Windows
10 however, just as above I am almost always greeted by nothing except total
silence from Wineyes about halfway through this seemingly simple operation.
Because of my educational background, and the level of familiarity that I
have regarding internal/background Windows processes, services and
structures, I've been able to deduce that as a blind person using
Window-eyes, you've usually got to alt+tab around to find the screen where
you have to use the Wineyes mouse reading commands to click on the "Continue
with automatic administrator rights" button, and in the same screen I also
have to use the Wineyes mouse reading keys since I tend to put a check in
the checkbox that says, "Do this for all items".
3.  If you access the start button and select settings, although the screens
within are mostly accessible, the mouse reading commands can get tripped up
and are read out by Wineyes in either a nonsensical, or undesirable way. To
experience for yourself what I'm talking about, do the following:
A.  Access the start menu.
B.  Press up arrow until you get to settings. Press enter on settings.
C.  Press right arrow once to move the cursor, and subsequently the focus
to, the devices category and press enter.
D.  At this point, the category that should be automatically selected for
you by default will more than likely be printers and scanners. 
That's fine.
E.  Now press tab four times, and you should arrive at some kind of checkbox
regarding metered internet connections.
Wineyes doesn't read that checkbox properly when tabbing through the screen,
and I can't get the mouse reading keys to get to that checkbox either! I am
able to get the Wineyes mouse reading keys to let me access the first
checkbox of this screen, so I know that it for example says, "Let Windows
manage my default printer". The second checkbox on this screen however, is
not reading properly at all.
4.  Last but not least, Window-eyes is giving me all kinds of problems when
trying to do something as simple as write an email with Thunderbird! I'll be
in the middle of composing a simple, old fashioned, plane text email, when
suddenly and without any kind of warning, Window-eyes'll just start
announcing my title bar as untitled, and not read anything in either the
subject, or body fields of the message. I ensure that the window is
maximized, makes no difference. I press 
Ctrl+alt+W to relaunch Window-eyes, which sometimes does, and sometimes
doesn't make any difference. I've tried uninstalling the TB Enhance app,
thinking that it might not have exactly kept pace with Mozilla's Thunderbird
development team, but doing so also unfortunately made no discernible
difference. I've had to re-launch Window-eyes literally no less than four
times while composing this message alone!
What's up with all these little annoying problems I'm experiencing with
regard to Windows 10 and Window-eyes 9.3.1? Is anybody else contending with
stuff like this?

P.S What the H e double hockysticks! Now the Read To Me app isn't working in
Thunderbird either! Before you ask, yes, I guarantee you I've set it up
correctly, I would know since I've used it successfully before on this PC in
both Firefox 43, and Internet Explorer 11. Right now though, Ctrl+shift+r at
the top of the message? Nothing. Ctrl+shift+r in the middle of the message?
Nada. Ctrl+shift+r in the middle of a line in the middle of the message?
Zilch. Zippo. Gr! Ai Squared, what gives!

Disclaimer: Be advised; It is possible that this communication is being
monitored by the National Security Agency or GCHQ.
I   neither condone, or support, any such policy by any Government authority
that does not comply appropriately as stipulated by the fourth Amendment of
the constitution of the United States of America.

Brandon Dean Miller

___
Any views or opinions presente

Wineyes and Windows 10 oddities

[Brandon Miller via Talk]

I'm using Windows 10 home, version 1511, OS build 10586.71. I'm also 
using Window-eyes 9.3.1. I am currently doing my best to contend with 
annoyances such as:
1.  When I press alt+F4 to close apps, Wineyes frequently says nothing 
at all. If I want to confirm that anything has taken place at all, I 
often have to press the Wineyes read title bar command, Ctrl+shift+T.
2.  I'm a Microsoft certified systems engineer, so I frequently go in 
and delete a whole batch of files from places like the temp, %temp%, and 
prefetch folders to not only free up disk space, but to also maintain 
high overall system stability and responsiveness. Often times in Windows 
10 however, just as above I am almost always greeted by nothing except 
total silence from Wineyes about halfway through this seemingly simple 
operation. Because of my educational background, and the level of 
familiarity that I have regarding internal/background Windows processes, 
services and structures, I've been able to deduce that as a blind person 
using Window-eyes, you've usually got to alt+tab around to find the 
screen where you have to use the Wineyes mouse reading commands to click 
on the "Continue with automatic administrator rights" button, and in the 
same screen I also have to use the Wineyes mouse reading keys since I 
tend to put a check in the checkbox that says, "Do this for all items".
3.  If you access the start button and select settings, although the 
screens within are mostly accessible, the mouse reading commands can get 
tripped up and are read out by Wineyes in either a nonsensical, or 
undesirable way. To experience for yourself what I'm talking about, do 
the following:

A.  Access the start menu.
B.  Press up arrow until you get to settings. Press enter on settings.
C.  Press right arrow once to move the cursor, and subsequently the 
focus to, the devices category and press enter.
D.  At this point, the category that should be automatically selected 
for you by default will more than likely be printers and scanners. 
That's fine.
E.  Now press tab four times, and you should arrive at some kind of 
checkbox regarding metered internet connections.
Wineyes doesn't read that checkbox properly when tabbing through the 
screen, and I can't get the mouse reading keys to get to that checkbox 
either! I am able to get the Wineyes mouse reading keys to let me access 
the first checkbox of this screen, so I know that it for example says, 
"Let Windows manage my default printer". The second checkbox on this 
screen however, is not reading properly at all.
4.  Last but not least, Window-eyes is giving me all kinds of problems 
when trying to do something as simple as write an email with 
Thunderbird! I'll be in the middle of composing a simple, old fashioned, 
plane text email, when suddenly and without any kind of warning, 
Window-eyes'll just start announcing my title bar as untitled, and not 
read anything in either the subject, or body fields of the message. I 
ensure that the window is maximized, makes no difference. I press 
Ctrl+alt+W to relaunch Window-eyes, which sometimes does, and sometimes 
doesn't make any difference. I've tried uninstalling the TB Enhance app, 
thinking that it might not have exactly kept pace with Mozilla's 
Thunderbird development team, but doing so also unfortunately made no 
discernible difference. I've had to re-launch Window-eyes literally no 
less than four times while composing this message alone!
What's up with all these little annoying problems I'm experiencing with 
regard to Windows 10 and Window-eyes 9.3.1? Is anybody else contending 
with stuff like this?


P.S What the H e double hockysticks! Now the Read To Me app isn't 
working in Thunderbird either! Before you ask, yes, I guarantee you I've 
set it up correctly, I would know since I've used it successfully before 
on this PC in both Firefox 43, and Internet Explorer 11. Right now 
though, Ctrl+shift+r at the top of the message? Nothing. Ctrl+shift+r in 
the middle of the message? Nada. Ctrl+shift+r in the middle of a line in 
the middle of the message? Zilch. Zippo. Gr! Ai Squared, what gives!


Disclaimer: Be advised; It is possible that this communication is being 
monitored by the National Security Agency or GCHQ.
I   neither condone, or support, any such policy by any Government authority 
that does not comply appropriately as stipulated by the fourth Amendment of the 
constitution of the United States of America.

Brandon Dean Miller

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