RE: Combo boxes on the BARD site
I have had this happen on the magazine combo in Windows 7 and IE 11. Therefore, I don't think this is a Windows 8 or 10 problem. Best regards, Steve Jacobson -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 7:58 AM To: Larry Higgins ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Combo boxes on the BARD site There is a focus issue with windows. It's been so since at least Windows 8. -Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 11:08 PM To: Marc Solomon ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; fender...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: Combo boxes on the BARD site Just for the record, I also did exactly what Lou recommended, although I've been doing these very steps ever since Windows 95, and they have, without exception, always worked. However for some reason, these steps don't always accomplish the desired results. Apparently, judging by a number of posts about this issue since yesterday afternoon, this has been the experience of other veteran users of Window-Eyes as well, so I don't think it fair to assume that we are all just dunces that just can't follow instructions. Man, I can't believe I'm being this snarky, but I really don't know of any other way to react to the assumption that this has to be the fault of the user. This feature is simply not apparently one of the more stable features of Window-Eyes. It may work just fine on the same page tonight, then on this very night I can go to another page on a different site entirely which contains the same style of combo box, and the feature may not work at all. I really don't wish to blame WE for this issue, if indeed the blame would be more properly placed upon Windows 10, but please don't assume that just because I do the correct thing automatically means that I will get the desired results, maybe I will, or maybe I wont. I think I've stated the case just about as clearly as it can be stated by me this evening at least. As I've said before, these combo boxes aren't inaccessible, I can press the desired letter and then tab to the go button and get where I wish to go, but I am not likely to be able to simply press enter and get right to that go button, or pass go and get the listing I am looking for. Hope this semi rant helps in your understanding of my situation. It really isn't a show stopper, just an annoyance. Have a happy 4th, Larry On 7/2/2016 9:07 PM, Marc Solomon via Talk wrote: > Hi Lou, > Thanks for taking the time to test this on your PC. I am glad to hear > that the author combo box on BARD is working well for you and others > when using the correct techniques. The steps you listed in your > message follow best practices for interacting with combo boxes. And, I > wanted to clarify that these keyboard techniques are not tied directly > to Window-Eyes. This keyboard support (i.e. Alt-Down to open, Up/Down > or first letter navigation to change selection, Enter to close) is > built right into the combo box control and web browser whether you are > using a screen reader or not. Holding down Alt while Down Arrowing is > not the correct technique for navigating through the options in a > combo box and is not a Window-Eyes feature. > Best, > Marc > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On > Behalf Of via Talk > Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 1:07 PM > To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > Subject: RE: Combo boxes on the BARD site > > Hey, Larry. > > I don't remember ever having an issue on the BARD web site. I just > went there and logged in and did this. > > Pressed the letter C to jump to the author's last name combo box. > Pressed enter to exit browse mode. > Pressed and released Alt-down arrow to expand the combo box. > Note: At this point, Window-Eyes announced that the control had > expanded and called the control a list view. > Arrowed down--in this case--to the letter M. > Note: Window-Eyes spoke each letter as it was highlighted. > Pressed Enter to close the combo box-come-list view. > Note: Window-Eyes voiced that the control was closed. I forget exactly > what WE said. > Tabbed to the go button and pressed spacebar. > > In your previous posts, it sounded like you are holding the alt key > down while arrowing. It's been a while since I've read the WE manual. > Is this a new Window-Eyes feature? I forgot to check whether that key > combination works; fireworks and a neighbor trying to get his toddler > son to sleep kept me up kinda late. . > > Lou N. > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+fenderwal=sbcglobal@lists.window-eyes.com] On > Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk > Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 10:07 PM > To: Marc Solomon; Window-Eyes Discussion List; Tony C > Subject: Re: Combo boxes on the BARD site > > The combo box is author's last name. > > On 7/1/2016 8:56 PM, Marc S
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Well, I have this problem, and both these computers have windows seven. Pam. -Original Message- From: Tony C via Talk Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 8:58 AM To: Larry Higgins ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Combo boxes on the BARD site There is a focus issue with windows. It's been so since at least Windows 8. -Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 11:08 PM To: Marc Solomon ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; fender...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: Combo boxes on the BARD site Just for the record, I also did exactly what Lou recommended, although I've been doing these very steps ever since Windows 95, and they have, without exception, always worked. However for some reason, these steps don't always accomplish the desired results. Apparently, judging by a number of posts about this issue since yesterday afternoon, this has been the experience of other veteran users of Window-Eyes as well, so I don't think it fair to assume that we are all just dunces that just can't follow instructions. Man, I can't believe I'm being this snarky, but I really don't know of any other way to react to the assumption that this has to be the fault of the user. This feature is simply not apparently one of the more stable features of Window-Eyes. It may work just fine on the same page tonight, then on this very night I can go to another page on a different site entirely which contains the same style of combo box, and the feature may not work at all. I really don't wish to blame WE for this issue, if indeed the blame would be more properly placed upon Windows 10, but please don't assume that just because I do the correct thing automatically means that I will get the desired results, maybe I will, or maybe I wont. I think I've stated the case just about as clearly as it can be stated by me this evening at least. As I've said before, these combo boxes aren't inaccessible, I can press the desired letter and then tab to the go button and get where I wish to go, but I am not likely to be able to simply press enter and get right to that go button, or pass go and get the listing I am looking for. Hope this semi rant helps in your understanding of my situation. It really isn't a show stopper, just an annoyance. Have a happy 4th, Larry On 7/2/2016 9:07 PM, Marc Solomon via Talk wrote: Hi Lou, Thanks for taking the time to test this on your PC. I am glad to hear that the author combo box on BARD is working well for you and others when using the correct techniques. The steps you listed in your message follow best practices for interacting with combo boxes. And, I wanted to clarify that these keyboard techniques are not tied directly to Window-Eyes. This keyboard support (i.e. Alt-Down to open, Up/Down or first letter navigation to change selection, Enter to close) is built right into the combo box control and web browser whether you are using a screen reader or not. Holding down Alt while Down Arrowing is not the correct technique for navigating through the options in a combo box and is not a Window-Eyes feature. Best, Marc -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of via Talk Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 1:07 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Combo boxes on the BARD site Hey, Larry. I don't remember ever having an issue on the BARD web site. I just went there and logged in and did this. Pressed the letter C to jump to the author's last name combo box. Pressed enter to exit browse mode. Pressed and released Alt-down arrow to expand the combo box. Note: At this point, Window-Eyes announced that the control had expanded and called the control a list view. Arrowed down--in this case--to the letter M. Note: Window-Eyes spoke each letter as it was highlighted. Pressed Enter to close the combo box-come-list view. Note: Window-Eyes voiced that the control was closed. I forget exactly what WE said. Tabbed to the go button and pressed spacebar. In your previous posts, it sounded like you are holding the alt key down while arrowing. It's been a while since I've read the WE manual. Is this a new Window-Eyes feature? I forgot to check whether that key combination works; fireworks and a neighbor trying to get his toddler son to sleep kept me up kinda late. . Lou N. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+fenderwal=sbcglobal@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 10:07 PM To: Marc Solomon; Window-Eyes Discussion List; Tony C Subject: Re: Combo boxes on the BARD site The combo box is author's last name. On 7/1/2016 8:56 PM, Marc Solomon via Talk wrote: Thanks Tony. Larry can you confirm? Best, Marc Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On July 1, 2016 9:35:21 PM Tony C wrote: I think he's talking about the combo box where you can search by author's last initial, and
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Yes. As I have said. I find it to be intermittent, just like you said. And it didn't happen until version 9.4 for me. Pam. -Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 12:08 AM To: Marc Solomon ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; fender...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: Combo boxes on the BARD site Just for the record, I also did exactly what Lou recommended, although I've been doing these very steps ever since Windows 95, and they have, without exception, always worked. However for some reason, these steps don't always accomplish the desired results. Apparently, judging by a number of posts about this issue since yesterday afternoon, this has been the experience of other veteran users of Window-Eyes as well, so I don't think it fair to assume that we are all just dunces that just can't follow instructions. Man, I can't believe I'm being this snarky, but I really don't know of any other way to react to the assumption that this has to be the fault of the user. This feature is simply not apparently one of the more stable features of Window-Eyes. It may work just fine on the same page tonight, then on this very night I can go to another page on a different site entirely which contains the same style of combo box, and the feature may not work at all. I really don't wish to blame WE for this issue, if indeed the blame would be more properly placed upon Windows 10, but please don't assume that just because I do the correct thing automatically means that I will get the desired results, maybe I will, or maybe I wont. I think I've stated the case just about as clearly as it can be stated by me this evening at least. As I've said before, these combo boxes aren't inaccessible, I can press the desired letter and then tab to the go button and get where I wish to go, but I am not likely to be able to simply press enter and get right to that go button, or pass go and get the listing I am looking for. Hope this semi rant helps in your understanding of my situation. It really isn't a show stopper, just an annoyance. Have a happy 4th, Larry On 7/2/2016 9:07 PM, Marc Solomon via Talk wrote: Hi Lou, Thanks for taking the time to test this on your PC. I am glad to hear that the author combo box on BARD is working well for you and others when using the correct techniques. The steps you listed in your message follow best practices for interacting with combo boxes. And, I wanted to clarify that these keyboard techniques are not tied directly to Window-Eyes. This keyboard support (i.e. Alt-Down to open, Up/Down or first letter navigation to change selection, Enter to close) is built right into the combo box control and web browser whether you are using a screen reader or not. Holding down Alt while Down Arrowing is not the correct technique for navigating through the options in a combo box and is not a Window-Eyes feature. Best, Marc -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of via Talk Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 1:07 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Combo boxes on the BARD site Hey, Larry. I don't remember ever having an issue on the BARD web site. I just went there and logged in and did this. Pressed the letter C to jump to the author's last name combo box. Pressed enter to exit browse mode. Pressed and released Alt-down arrow to expand the combo box. Note: At this point, Window-Eyes announced that the control had expanded and called the control a list view. Arrowed down--in this case--to the letter M. Note: Window-Eyes spoke each letter as it was highlighted. Pressed Enter to close the combo box-come-list view. Note: Window-Eyes voiced that the control was closed. I forget exactly what WE said. Tabbed to the go button and pressed spacebar. In your previous posts, it sounded like you are holding the alt key down while arrowing. It's been a while since I've read the WE manual. Is this a new Window-Eyes feature? I forgot to check whether that key combination works; fireworks and a neighbor trying to get his toddler son to sleep kept me up kinda late. . Lou N. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+fenderwal=sbcglobal@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 10:07 PM To: Marc Solomon; Window-Eyes Discussion List; Tony C Subject: Re: Combo boxes on the BARD site The combo box is author's last name. On 7/1/2016 8:56 PM, Marc Solomon via Talk wrote: Thanks Tony. Larry can you confirm? Best, Marc Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On July 1, 2016 9:35:21 PM Tony C wrote: I think he's talking about the combo box where you can search by author's last initial, and the other one is different jenre's box. -Original Message- From: Marc Solomon via Talk Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 7:42 PM To: Larry Higgins ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Combo boxes on
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I tried this last night, and it didn't talk until I tabbed and shift tabbed back. Then it said the letter. Pam. -Original Message- From: Marc Solomon via Talk Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 10:07 PM To: fender...@sbcglobal.net ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Combo boxes on the BARD site Hi Lou, Thanks for taking the time to test this on your PC. I am glad to hear that the author combo box on BARD is working well for you and others when using the correct techniques. The steps you listed in your message follow best practices for interacting with combo boxes. And, I wanted to clarify that these keyboard techniques are not tied directly to Window-Eyes. This keyboard support (i.e. Alt-Down to open, Up/Down or first letter navigation to change selection, Enter to close) is built right into the combo box control and web browser whether you are using a screen reader or not. Holding down Alt while Down Arrowing is not the correct technique for navigating through the options in a combo box and is not a Window-Eyes feature. Best, Marc -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of via Talk Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 1:07 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Combo boxes on the BARD site Hey, Larry. I don't remember ever having an issue on the BARD web site. I just went there and logged in and did this. Pressed the letter C to jump to the author's last name combo box. Pressed enter to exit browse mode. Pressed and released Alt-down arrow to expand the combo box. Note: At this point, Window-Eyes announced that the control had expanded and called the control a list view. Arrowed down--in this case--to the letter M. Note: Window-Eyes spoke each letter as it was highlighted. Pressed Enter to close the combo box-come-list view. Note: Window-Eyes voiced that the control was closed. I forget exactly what WE said. Tabbed to the go button and pressed spacebar. In your previous posts, it sounded like you are holding the alt key down while arrowing. It's been a while since I've read the WE manual. Is this a new Window-Eyes feature? I forgot to check whether that key combination works; fireworks and a neighbor trying to get his toddler son to sleep kept me up kinda late. . Lou N. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+fenderwal=sbcglobal@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 10:07 PM To: Marc Solomon; Window-Eyes Discussion List; Tony C Subject: Re: Combo boxes on the BARD site The combo box is author's last name. On 7/1/2016 8:56 PM, Marc Solomon via Talk wrote: Thanks Tony. Larry can you confirm? Best, Marc Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On July 1, 2016 9:35:21 PM Tony C wrote: I think he's talking about the combo box where you can search by author's last initial, and the other one is different jenre's box. -Original Message- From: Marc Solomon via Talk Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 7:42 PM To: Larry Higgins ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Combo boxes on the BARD site Larry, I don't know what combo box you are referring to. Can you please describe where the combo box is and how you navigate to it. Thanks, Marc Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On July 1, 2016 6:06:37 PM Larry Higgins wrote: Mark, I just press enter on the combo box, turning off browse mode, then I either arrow down through the letter options, or hold down the alt key and do the same. I do not hear the chosen letter option spoken at all, unless I tab away and back. I just don't think it is supposed to work this way. As I've said before, the combo boxes aren't unnavigable, I can simply press a desired letter and get to where I'm trying to go, but I would like to have the other option open to me on this page, and others like it. if at all possible. Who knows, maybe I just have a wrong setting somewhere, or something. On 7/1/2016 2:25 PM, Marc Solomon wrote: Larry, I have a test account. What I need are steps to duplicate the problem. Thanks, Marc Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On July 1, 2016 2:28:24 PM Larry Higgins wrote: I'm using IE 11. You'll need a login and password. I could send mine to you in private. https://nlsbard.loc.gov/login ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40media combb.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are sol
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Hey Mark, no harm no foul. I guess I was just a little frustrated with my apparent ability to make things as clear as I would have wanted too. Believe me, your knowledge and advice when it comes to matters WE is always welcome. Take care and have a happy 4th, Larry On 7/3/2016 7:08 AM, Marc Solomon wrote: Larry, The intention of my last email was two fold: 1. Confirm that Lou provided the correct techniques for interacting with combo boxes 2. Clarify that Alt-Down is not the correct technique for navigating choices in a combo box In your defense, there is a known issue in Window-Eyes related to combo boxes. This issue is not consistent but happens enough to be a pretty big annoyance. I regret not presenting this information before going on my rant about proper techniques. If you were in any way offended by my recent correspondence, I sincerely apologize. Sincerely, Marc Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On July 2, 2016 11:08:43 PM Larry Higgins wrote: Just for the record, I also did exactly what Lou recommended, although I've been doing these very steps ever since Windows 95, and they have, without exception, always worked. However for some reason, these steps don't always accomplish the desired results. Apparently, judging by a number of posts about this issue since yesterday afternoon, this has been the experience of other veteran users of Window-Eyes as well, so I don't think it fair to assume that we are all just dunces that just can't follow instructions. Man, I can't believe I'm being this snarky, but I really don't know of any other way to react to the assumption that this has to be the fault of the user. This feature is simply not apparently one of the more stable features of Window-Eyes. It may work just fine on the same page tonight, then on this very night I can go to another page on a different site entirely which contains the same style of combo box, and the feature may not work at all. I really don't wish to blame WE for this issue, if indeed the blame would be more properly placed upon Windows 10, but please don't assume that just because I do the correct thing automatically means that I will get the desired results, maybe I will, or maybe I wont. I think I've stated the case just about as clearly as it can be stated by me this evening at least. As I've said before, these combo boxes aren't inaccessible, I can press the desired letter and then tab to the go button and get where I wish to go, but I am not likely to be able to simply press enter and get right to that go button, or pass go and get the listing I am looking for. Hope this semi rant helps in your understanding of my situation. It really isn't a show stopper, just an annoyance. Have a happy 4th, Larry On 7/2/2016 9:07 PM, Marc Solomon via Talk wrote: Hi Lou, Thanks for taking the time to test this on your PC. I am glad to hear that the author combo box on BARD is working well for you and others when using the correct techniques. The steps you listed in your message follow best practices for interacting with combo boxes. And, I wanted to clarify that these keyboard techniques are not tied directly to Window-Eyes. This keyboard support (i.e. Alt-Down to open, Up/Down or first letter navigation to change selection, Enter to close) is built right into the combo box control and web browser whether you are using a screen reader or not. Holding down Alt while Down Arrowing is not the correct technique for navigating through the options in a combo box and is not a Window-Eyes feature. Best, Marc -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of via Talk Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 1:07 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Combo boxes on the BARD site Hey, Larry. I don't remember ever having an issue on the BARD web site. I just went there and logged in and did this. Pressed the letter C to jump to the author's last name combo box. Pressed enter to exit browse mode. Pressed and released Alt-down arrow to expand the combo box. Note: At this point, Window-Eyes announced that the control had expanded and called the control a list view. Arrowed down--in this case--to the letter M. Note: Window-Eyes spoke each letter as it was highlighted. Pressed Enter to close the combo box-come-list view. Note: Window-Eyes voiced that the control was closed. I forget exactly what WE said. Tabbed to the go button and pressed spacebar. In your previous posts, it sounded like you are holding the alt key down while arrowing. It's been a while since I've read the WE manual. Is this a new Window-Eyes feature? I forgot to check whether that key combination works; fireworks and a neighbor trying to get his toddler son to sleep kept me up kinda late. . Lou N. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+fenderwal=sbcglobal@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk Sent: Frida
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Larry, I'd like to re-assert that I am really behind the WE learning curve and for all I knew, Alt-down arrow may have been a new app keystroke. I am sorry if I came off as patronizing. Any time I respond to the list members' issues, I always include my keystrokes and the steps I took, along with the results. I always respond assuming a Window-Eyes newbie is reading our correspondence and might not know what we're talking about. Anyway, I mentioned the BARD web page specifically because the NLS pages have been very accessible for me personally. Now, the LakeCo.IN.gov web page...that's another story. Had to do quite a tap dance to pay my property taxes on line. Good thing they're in charge of enforcing accessibility. . Take care, Lou N. -Original Message- From: Marc Solomon [mailto:msolo...@aisquared.com] Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 7:08 AM To: Larry Higgins; Window-Eyes Discussion List; fender...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: Combo boxes on the BARD site Larry, The intention of my last email was two fold: 1. Confirm that Lou provided the correct techniques for interacting with combo boxes 2. Clarify that Alt-Down is not the correct technique for navigating choices in a combo box In your defense, there is a known issue in Window-Eyes related to combo boxes. This issue is not consistent but happens enough to be a pretty big annoyance. I regret not presenting this information before going on my rant about proper techniques. If you were in any way offended by my recent correspondence, I sincerely apologize. Sincerely, Marc Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On July 2, 2016 11:08:43 PM Larry Higgins wrote: > Just for the record, I also did exactly what Lou recommended, although > I've been doing these very steps ever since Windows 95, and they have, > without exception, always worked. However for some reason, these steps > don't always accomplish the desired results. Apparently, judging by a > number of posts about this issue since yesterday afternoon, this has > been the experience of other veteran users of Window-Eyes as well, so I > don't think it fair to assume that we are all just dunces that just > can't follow instructions. > > Man, I can't believe I'm being this snarky, but I really don't know of > any other way to react to the assumption that this has to be the fault > of the user. This feature is simply not apparently one of the more > stable features of Window-Eyes. It may work just fine on the same page > tonight, then on this very night I can go to another page on a different > site entirely which contains the same style of combo box, and the > feature may not work at all. > > I really don't wish to blame WE for this issue, if indeed the blame > would be more properly placed upon Windows 10, but please don't assume > that just because I do the correct thing automatically means that I will > get the desired results, maybe I will, or maybe I wont. > > I think I've stated the case just about as clearly as it can be stated > by me this evening at least. > > As I've said before, these combo boxes aren't inaccessible, I can press > the desired letter and then tab to the go button and get where I wish to > go, but I am not likely to be able to simply press enter and get right > to that go button, or pass go and get the listing I am looking for. > > Hope this semi rant helps in your understanding of my situation. It > really isn't a show stopper, just an annoyance. > > Have a happy 4th, > > Larry > > On 7/2/2016 9:07 PM, Marc Solomon via Talk wrote: >> Hi Lou, >> Thanks for taking the time to test this on your PC. I am glad to hear that the author combo box on BARD is working well for you and others when using the correct techniques. The steps you listed in your message follow best practices for interacting with combo boxes. And, I wanted to clarify that these keyboard techniques are not tied directly to Window-Eyes. This keyboard support (i.e. Alt-Down to open, Up/Down or first letter navigation to change selection, Enter to close) is built right into the combo box control and web browser whether you are using a screen reader or not. Holding down Alt while Down Arrowing is not the correct technique for navigating through the options in a combo box and is not a Window-Eyes feature. >> Best, >> Marc >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of via Talk >> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 1:07 PM >> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >> Subject: RE: Combo boxes on the BARD site >> >> Hey, Larry. >> >> I don't remember ever having an issue on the BARD web site. I just went there and logged in and did this. >> >> Pressed the letter C to jump to the author's last name combo box. >> Pressed enter to exit browse mode. >> Pressed and released Alt-down arrow to expand the combo box. >> Note: At this point, Window-Eyes announced that the control had expanded and called the control
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There is a focus issue with windows. It's been so since at least Windows 8. -Original Message- From: Larry Higgins via Talk Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 11:08 PM To: Marc Solomon ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; fender...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: Combo boxes on the BARD site Just for the record, I also did exactly what Lou recommended, although I've been doing these very steps ever since Windows 95, and they have, without exception, always worked. However for some reason, these steps don't always accomplish the desired results. Apparently, judging by a number of posts about this issue since yesterday afternoon, this has been the experience of other veteran users of Window-Eyes as well, so I don't think it fair to assume that we are all just dunces that just can't follow instructions. Man, I can't believe I'm being this snarky, but I really don't know of any other way to react to the assumption that this has to be the fault of the user. This feature is simply not apparently one of the more stable features of Window-Eyes. It may work just fine on the same page tonight, then on this very night I can go to another page on a different site entirely which contains the same style of combo box, and the feature may not work at all. I really don't wish to blame WE for this issue, if indeed the blame would be more properly placed upon Windows 10, but please don't assume that just because I do the correct thing automatically means that I will get the desired results, maybe I will, or maybe I wont. I think I've stated the case just about as clearly as it can be stated by me this evening at least. As I've said before, these combo boxes aren't inaccessible, I can press the desired letter and then tab to the go button and get where I wish to go, but I am not likely to be able to simply press enter and get right to that go button, or pass go and get the listing I am looking for. Hope this semi rant helps in your understanding of my situation. It really isn't a show stopper, just an annoyance. Have a happy 4th, Larry On 7/2/2016 9:07 PM, Marc Solomon via Talk wrote: Hi Lou, Thanks for taking the time to test this on your PC. I am glad to hear that the author combo box on BARD is working well for you and others when using the correct techniques. The steps you listed in your message follow best practices for interacting with combo boxes. And, I wanted to clarify that these keyboard techniques are not tied directly to Window-Eyes. This keyboard support (i.e. Alt-Down to open, Up/Down or first letter navigation to change selection, Enter to close) is built right into the combo box control and web browser whether you are using a screen reader or not. Holding down Alt while Down Arrowing is not the correct technique for navigating through the options in a combo box and is not a Window-Eyes feature. Best, Marc -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of via Talk Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 1:07 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Combo boxes on the BARD site Hey, Larry. I don't remember ever having an issue on the BARD web site. I just went there and logged in and did this. Pressed the letter C to jump to the author's last name combo box. Pressed enter to exit browse mode. Pressed and released Alt-down arrow to expand the combo box. Note: At this point, Window-Eyes announced that the control had expanded and called the control a list view. Arrowed down--in this case--to the letter M. Note: Window-Eyes spoke each letter as it was highlighted. Pressed Enter to close the combo box-come-list view. Note: Window-Eyes voiced that the control was closed. I forget exactly what WE said. Tabbed to the go button and pressed spacebar. In your previous posts, it sounded like you are holding the alt key down while arrowing. It's been a while since I've read the WE manual. Is this a new Window-Eyes feature? I forgot to check whether that key combination works; fireworks and a neighbor trying to get his toddler son to sleep kept me up kinda late. . Lou N. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+fenderwal=sbcglobal@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 10:07 PM To: Marc Solomon; Window-Eyes Discussion List; Tony C Subject: Re: Combo boxes on the BARD site The combo box is author's last name. On 7/1/2016 8:56 PM, Marc Solomon via Talk wrote: Thanks Tony. Larry can you confirm? Best, Marc Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On July 1, 2016 9:35:21 PM Tony C wrote: I think he's talking about the combo box where you can search by author's last initial, and the other one is different jenre's box. -Original Message- From: Marc Solomon via Talk Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 7:42 PM To: Larry Higgins ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Combo boxes on the BARD site Larry, I don't know what combo box
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Larry, The intention of my last email was two fold: 1. Confirm that Lou provided the correct techniques for interacting with combo boxes 2. Clarify that Alt-Down is not the correct technique for navigating choices in a combo box In your defense, there is a known issue in Window-Eyes related to combo boxes. This issue is not consistent but happens enough to be a pretty big annoyance. I regret not presenting this information before going on my rant about proper techniques. If you were in any way offended by my recent correspondence, I sincerely apologize. Sincerely, Marc Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On July 2, 2016 11:08:43 PM Larry Higgins wrote: > Just for the record, I also did exactly what Lou recommended, although > I've been doing these very steps ever since Windows 95, and they have, > without exception, always worked. However for some reason, these steps > don't always accomplish the desired results. Apparently, judging by a > number of posts about this issue since yesterday afternoon, this has > been the experience of other veteran users of Window-Eyes as well, so I > don't think it fair to assume that we are all just dunces that just > can't follow instructions. > > Man, I can't believe I'm being this snarky, but I really don't know of > any other way to react to the assumption that this has to be the fault > of the user. This feature is simply not apparently one of the more > stable features of Window-Eyes. It may work just fine on the same page > tonight, then on this very night I can go to another page on a different > site entirely which contains the same style of combo box, and the > feature may not work at all. > > I really don't wish to blame WE for this issue, if indeed the blame > would be more properly placed upon Windows 10, but please don't assume > that just because I do the correct thing automatically means that I will > get the desired results, maybe I will, or maybe I wont. > > I think I've stated the case just about as clearly as it can be stated > by me this evening at least. > > As I've said before, these combo boxes aren't inaccessible, I can press > the desired letter and then tab to the go button and get where I wish to > go, but I am not likely to be able to simply press enter and get right > to that go button, or pass go and get the listing I am looking for. > > Hope this semi rant helps in your understanding of my situation. It > really isn't a show stopper, just an annoyance. > > Have a happy 4th, > > Larry > > On 7/2/2016 9:07 PM, Marc Solomon via Talk wrote: >> Hi Lou, >> Thanks for taking the time to test this on your PC. I am glad to hear that >> the author combo box on BARD is working well for you and others when using >> the correct techniques. The steps you listed in your message follow best >> practices for interacting with combo boxes. And, I wanted to clarify that >> these keyboard techniques are not tied directly to Window-Eyes. This >> keyboard support (i.e. Alt-Down to open, Up/Down or first letter navigation >> to change selection, Enter to close) is built right into the combo box >> control and web browser whether you are using a screen reader or not. >> Holding down Alt while Down Arrowing is not the correct technique for >> navigating through the options in a combo box and is not a Window-Eyes >> feature. >> Best, >> Marc >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+msolomon=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf >> Of via Talk >> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 1:07 PM >> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >> Subject: RE: Combo boxes on the BARD site >> >> Hey, Larry. >> >> I don't remember ever having an issue on the BARD web site. I just went >> there and logged in and did this. >> >> Pressed the letter C to jump to the author's last name combo box. >> Pressed enter to exit browse mode. >> Pressed and released Alt-down arrow to expand the combo box. >> Note: At this point, Window-Eyes announced that the control had expanded and >> called the control a list view. >> Arrowed down--in this case--to the letter M. >> Note: Window-Eyes spoke each letter as it was highlighted. >> Pressed Enter to close the combo box-come-list view. >> Note: Window-Eyes voiced that the control was closed. I forget exactly what >> WE said. >> Tabbed to the go button and pressed spacebar. >> >> In your previous posts, it sounded like you are holding the alt key down >> while arrowing. It's been a while since I've read the WE manual. Is this a >> new Window-Eyes feature? I forgot to check whether that key combination >> works; fireworks and a neighbor trying to get his toddler son to sleep kept >> me up kinda late. . >> >> Lou N. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+fenderwal=sbcglobal@lists.window-eyes.com] On >> Behalf Of Larry Higgins via Talk >> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 10:07 PM >> To: Marc Solomon; Window-Eyes Discussion Lis
