Re: Window-Eyes and antivirus/security software
I use AVG on my computer with Windows 8.1 and WE9.5.4, and find that it is usable with Window-Eyes though you have to use the mouse sometimes. -Original Message- From: Brenda via Talk Sent: Sunday, April 2, 2017 9:24 AM To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Window-Eyes and antivirus/security software The AVG interface is no longer accessible. Has anyone tried Sophos Home? Can anyone tell me what security software they are using other than AVG or Kaspersky (which is failing to work)? Can anyone recommend any other list where I can read and ask questions about accessible antivirus/security software? I hate to be a pest, I was all set to get Kaspersky until I read the updates are making it unusuable. Thanks for any help/input, brenda On 4/1/2017 8:58 PM, Tony C wrote: I use AVG. -Original Message- From: Brenda via Talk Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:01 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Window-Eyes and antivirus/security software Good evening list, Well, I was all set to purchase Kaspersky when I read a list post on another list that it has become unaccessible of late and that there are no plans to make it accessible. Has anyone had any success with Sophos? What are people's experience with Viper? Other than defender, any other suggestions? I know no security software is perfect. I run spybot, and as malware bytes is not accessible I have my husband run it. I don't know of any other products similar to these. I would appreciate any help/input/suggestions. Brenda ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40mediacombb.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/peter.chinpk%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
to sandra windows 10 mail.
Hi Sandra this is a we site and a link to lisen to a pod cast on windows 10 mail. cheers Michael. https://coolblindtech.com/windows-mail-using-narrator-third-party-screen-reader-not-required/ ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Kaspersky info from the AV-11Y list
Hi List Below is a post from the AV-11Y list which is a list that deals with antivirus issues of blind users. David Goldfield has up until now used Kaspersky successvully, but recent updates have changed that. It is kinda long but worth the read especially if you are a kaspersky user. brenda On 4/2/2017 4:55 PM, David Goldfield wrote: Those who follow my posts will probably know that I use Kaspersky Antivirus as my security software of choice. While I realize that the program's level of accessibility could certainly be improved, it was and, for me, still is accessible enough to the point where I can perform the tasks which I need to perform. You can read my review of the product, from the perspective of an NVDA user, at https://davidgoldfield.wordpress.com/2016/11/16/kaspersky-antivirus-a-review-for-screen-reader-users/ When I first began hearing of Kaspersky's unwillingness to not only commit to accessibility but that they had practically admitted that they had no such commitment I was incredulous. I had hoped that this was just an assumption on the part of one user. However, while I don't know Merv and Robin personally I have always found their posts to be well-written as well as accurate and, when I read the response from Kaspersky which was submitted to Robin, I was shocked and realized that we definitely have a serious problem. To that end, I tweeted the following message to @kl_support, Kaspersky's support account. @kl_support I'm hearing rumors that Kaspersky is not committing to accessibility in 2018 in your products. Is this true? from DavidGoldfield | Apr 01 7:14 pm | via Easy Chirp I soon received the following reply from KL_support. @DavidGoldfield Most likely you're right. Let us specify it from our developers team. We hope to implement it in later versions or patches. from kl_support | Apr 02 3:50 am | Responding | via Freshdesk There are some conclusions I can make as to the problems we're facing, along with several solutions which I will be aggressively pursuing. First, let's talk about the actual problems. The person or persons responding at the kl_support Twitter account are not engineers, developers or designers. They likely don't understand what accessibility actually means and therefore don't grasp the ramifications as to the consequences of a program being inaccessible to screen readers. This person or group of persons likely does not understand that the lack of accessibility means that a group of computer users will be locked out from performing functions which are absolutely essential to maintaining the security of their computers. Let's also not forget that this group of users are customers who actually paid for the product. At least one customer who recently purchased their security suite is now pursuing a refund, due to the decline in the product's accessibility, something which is regrettable but which is perfectly reasonable. This customer will most likely get the refund which is being sought, which no company wants. The first step among many that I plan to take is to send a more detailed message to @kl_support, attempting to explain how blind people access computers with screen readers and how the lack of accessibility in some Kaspersky products has a negative impact on their overall experience. In addition to having a negative impact on users, I will also explain how this lack of accessibility can have a negative impact on the company's business, since customers will be unwilling to pay for a program they cannot actually use. I will also point out that at least one customer, who recently purchased one of their suites, is now pursuing a refund. This explanation will need to be done in a manner that is very clear and to the point as I also believe that some of the individuals responding via @kl_support do not speak English as their primary language and so I will need to take this into consideration when crafting a response. My prediction is that this first step will yield very little in the way of positive results. My next step will be to compose a more detailed response to Kaspersky regarding the lack of accessibility in the form of an open letter, which I plan to distribute via a variety of channels. This open letter will provide all of the details and documentation I can provide regarding the problems we are having with Kaspersky, our tweets and messages to them along with any responses we have received from them. This open letter, first and foremost, will be posted to my blog. In addition, I plan to ensure that I have a link to this post on Twitter, my main LinkedIn feed, appropriate LinkedIn groups, relevant Facebook groups and other tech-related mailing lists. While I only have 248 followers on Twitter, I have over 3100 connections on LinkedIn and, before I submit this post, I will attempt to connect to people who are higher up in the chain at Kaspersky. Additionally, I will submit
RE: read and unread again
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RE: Using mail in windows 10
Hi Sandra, what are you needing help with using the mail app for windows 10 with window-eyes? Kenny Peyatt jr. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Sandra Henshall via Talk Sent: Sunday, April 2, 2017 3:49 PM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Using mail in windows 10 Hi All Does anyone know if there are any tutorials, podcasts or other material for using Mail in windows 10? I would really appreciate any help. CheersSandra ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/p.wildcat1234%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Using mail in windows 10
Hi All Does anyone know if there are any tutorials, podcasts or other material for using Mail in windows 10? I would really appreciate any help. CheersSandra ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: read and unread again
I have the same problem as Don and was told by the Microsoft Disability Desk that those using office 2013 and below, including 2007 which I use also, it simply will not flag the proper read and unread heading. I use Outlook 2007 with Win 10, the latest version. You either upgrade to Office 2016 or learn to get along without the read and unread. Aloha, Alex p.s. If others have a better solution I am all ears! -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+alex.liberty=hawaii.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 1:49 PM To: Don S; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: read and unread again Hi Don, As you and I were discussing this on the phone today,it may be advisable to add that you are using Outlook 2007. I would like to know if anyone on the list has gotten the read/unread flags in Outlook 2007, running on Windows 10, to report the status properly. Thanks, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Don S via Talk Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 6:50 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: read and unread again Ok, running windows 10, latest of win eyes and outlook Outlook will not say read and unreqad, also, after replying to an email, reply does not show in the answered emal, nor when forwarding, does fwd show up in the forwarded email Howver, control r and will send the email and control and f will forward the email Any help I have reset the factory settings, reinstalled outlook enhenced and office enhanced Help, help Don ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rod_hutton%40h otmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/alex.liberty%4 0hawaii.rr.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Mozilla Firefox question
Hi Dave, Your reply didn't quote the original post, and so your post is out of context for me. Thanks, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dave via Talk Sent: Sunday, April 2, 2017 12:40 PM To: michaels mail ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Mozilla Firefox question I do find it humorously ironic, but I would agree that Face Book is not Safe.I don't even think it is Fair. But, this is my thoughts about Face Book, and no one else's. -- Dave ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rod_hutton%40hotmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: What's new with VFO - Eric Damery, JAWS, Zoomtext, Fusion and more
I would have to beg to differ on this one and i have loaded many complex word documents into word for mac and I have never had Voiceover die on me. On 4/2/2017 6:12 AM, Steve Nutt via Talk wrote: Hi, You are having a laugh. Just load a Word file with a complex table into Word for Mac and watch VO die. VO is about Narrator's level I'd say. All the best Steve -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk Sent: 01 April 2017 20:16 To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: What's new with VFO - Eric Damery, JAWS, Zoomtext, Fusion and more VFO is going to be kissing my rear soon. I'm already making plans to make the switch to MAC. The Apple/Mac OS is just more stable, and the built in voice over works with so much more stuff than any of the Windows screen readers. Places like VFO keep trying to "rape" the blind community, and that I believe is about to come to an end, just like the NFB's influence on Washington is about to be curbed. There's a growing number of Blind and VI people who are contacting ther Rep's and Congresmen and Washington to denounce the NFB and their ways. Halleua. -Original Message- From: Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:40 AM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: What's new with VFO - Eric Damery, JAWS, Zoomtext, Fusion and more Notice in this two part podcast, nothing is said about window-eyes. Also notice what is said about the soon to be windows 10 creators update. Part 1 - What's new with VFO - Eric Damery, JAWS, Zoomtext, Fusion and more http://traffic.libsyn.com/atupdate/ATU032417.mp3?dest-id=68811 Part 2 - What's new with VFO - Eric Damery, JAWS, Zoomtext, Fusion and more http://traffic.libsyn.com/atupdate/ATU033117.mp3?dest-id=68811 ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40media combb.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/steve%40compro om.co.uk. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/sunshine%40abe.midco.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Mozilla Firefox question
I do find it humorously ironic, but I would agree that Face Book is not Safe.I don't even think it is Fair. But, this is my thoughts about Face Book, and no one else's. -- Dave ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Format question
Hi Don, Mlb means "major league baseball." Hth, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Don Smith via Talk Sent: Sunday, April 2, 2017 7:24 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: Format question Morning: What software will read books in mlb format? Thanks Don ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rod_hutton%40hotmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: wrong format
Hi Don, I believe m4g means "made for gaming," although I have not looked at any gaming software recently. Hth, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Don Smith via Talk Sent: Sunday, April 2, 2017 7:27 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: wrong format Sorry, I meant m4g format, what software will read this format Thanks Don ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rod_hutton%40hotmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
I agree completely. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Diana Kube via Talk Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2017 4:12 AM To: wohlg...@gmail.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes What actual evidence exists for this rampant conjecture. I continue to get updates for both apps and WE. I also get reply's to support requests. What I see happening here, in the absence of any actual proof, is some people who either have too little to do or have established a deliberate campaign to undermine WE. I am happy to look at any actual evidence, if anyone can provide this, but until then I will continue to use WE and not get myself worked up about what may or may not happen in the future. So if there are press releases, communications from the company, or termination of service notices, please post them on the list so that we can make decisions about what to do next. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+kube=netspace.net...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Jim via Talk Sent: Sunday, 2 April 2017 2:21 AM To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes Correvtion, I talked to Dave about two seek ago so there is more than just one left. Jim On 01-Apr-17 11:59, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote: > Personally, I won't buy jaws. If WE becomes unuseable, I'll go to n v > d a. I've donated to them before and will do so again. How many of > us out there have unfulfilled s m a's? The longer they delay, the > longer they can put off refunding any money or giving us something. > Why on earth would they develop and sell two screen readers? Only one > still there from the gw days is Doug, and his hands are tied. I've > still got systems running xp and those run window-eyes just fine. I > think many of us forget to give GW credit for the fine work they did > over the years and their great customer support. I've had a few > dealings with Freedom in the past and my experience has been their > customer support was terrible. I forget what the thing was called, > but was a note taker with gps and all that. A friend gave me his old > one as the v a bought him a new one. He had let the batteries run > clear down, and the thing lost all of its marbles. I couldn't get any > help from freedom to get up and running again unless the original > purchaser contacted them, and the "original purchaser" didn't even > work for the v a any more. I finally threw a couple grand worth of > stuff in the dumpster. As the old 4 preps song went, "more money for > you and me." No jaws for me at any price. > > 73 > Butch > WA0VJR > Node 3148 > Wallace, ks. > > > On Sat, 1 Apr 2017, Loy via Talk wrote: > >> I agree, I depend on WE every day and I can't afford JAWS. It's been >> 9 months since the acquisition of AISquared and not one word from VFO >> about WE.They are not being honest with all the WE users by being >> silent. I will continue to use WE as long as Windows doesn't change >> where it will no longer work. >> - Original Message - >> From: Rod Hutton via Talk >> To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:58 AM >> Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes >> >> >> Hi Vaughan, >> >> I believe it is a matter of semantics. >> The phrase "not a going concern," to me, implies it is not relevant >> in my life on a daily basis. >> For me, this is not true, since I use it every day. >> Personally, I find this type of language discouraging since I, and >> many others on this this, depend on this screen reader for our >> livelihood and are continuing to use it. >> In addition, and, again, personally, I find this discussion tiresome >> and annoying. >> This is just my feeling. >> >> Respectfully, >> >> Rod >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On >> Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk >> Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 4:02 AM >> To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> >> Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes >> >> I think it will still be an option - but some of you are missing the >> point: it is no longer a practical option for many people. >> >> >> The evidence does not support on-going development. >> >> Evidence includes: bugs not fixed >> Loss of personnel who interacted with the users via this list and >> through other channels. >> The Fort Wayne office is not part of the VFO addresses for its offices. >> >> No news on the VFO site. >> The disestablishemngt of Zoomtext Fusion, in favour of a JFW interface. >> This list is not monitored by VFO. It VFO was paying attentiont it, >> some of the claims made by people like me would be challenged. >> >> >> So: no one is saying stop using your copy of Window-Eyes. All we >> are say
Re: What's new with VFO - Eric Damery, JAWS, Zoomtext, Fusion and more
The thing with vo is that apple wants the developers to follow their standards, if they do then vo works, if they don't you are out of luck, no way to make it work at all. On Sun, 02 Apr 2017 07:12:50 -0400, Steve Nutt via Talk wrote: > > Hi, > > You are having a laugh. Just load a Word file with a complex table into > Word for Mac and watch VO die. VO is about Narrator's level I'd say. > > All the best > > Steve > > -Original Message- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] > On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk > Sent: 01 April 2017 20:16 > To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > > Subject: Re: What's new with VFO - Eric Damery, JAWS, Zoomtext, Fusion and > more > > VFO is going to be kissing my rear soon. I'm already making plans to make > the switch to MAC. The Apple/Mac OS is just more stable, and the built in > voice over works with so much more stuff than any of the Windows screen > readers. Places like VFO keep trying to "rape" the blind community, and that > I believe is about to come to an end, just like the NFB's influence on > Washington is about to be curbed. There's a growing number of Blind and VI > people who are contacting ther Rep's and Congresmen and Washington to > denounce the NFB and their ways. Halleua. > > -Original Message- > From: Russ Kiehne via Talk > Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:40 AM > To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com > Subject: What's new with VFO - Eric Damery, JAWS, Zoomtext, Fusion and more > > Notice in this two part podcast, nothing is said about window-eyes. Also > notice what is said about the soon to be windows 10 creators update. > Part 1 - What's new with VFO - Eric Damery, JAWS, Zoomtext, Fusion and more > http://traffic.libsyn.com/atupdate/ATU032417.mp3?dest-id=68811 > Part 2 - What's new with VFO - Eric Damery, JAWS, Zoomtext, Fusion and more > http://traffic.libsyn.com/atupdate/ATU033117.mp3?dest-id=68811 > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40media > combb.net. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/steve%40compro > om.co.uk. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/covici%40ccs.covici.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
wrong format
Sorry, I meant m4g format, what software will read this format Thanks Don ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Format question
Morning: What software will read books in mlb format? Thanks Don ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: What's new with VFO - Eric Damery, JAWS, Zoomtext, Fusion and more
Hi, You are having a laugh. Just load a Word file with a complex table into Word for Mac and watch VO die. VO is about Narrator's level I'd say. All the best Steve -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk Sent: 01 April 2017 20:16 To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: What's new with VFO - Eric Damery, JAWS, Zoomtext, Fusion and more VFO is going to be kissing my rear soon. I'm already making plans to make the switch to MAC. The Apple/Mac OS is just more stable, and the built in voice over works with so much more stuff than any of the Windows screen readers. Places like VFO keep trying to "rape" the blind community, and that I believe is about to come to an end, just like the NFB's influence on Washington is about to be curbed. There's a growing number of Blind and VI people who are contacting ther Rep's and Congresmen and Washington to denounce the NFB and their ways. Halleua. -Original Message- From: Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:40 AM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: What's new with VFO - Eric Damery, JAWS, Zoomtext, Fusion and more Notice in this two part podcast, nothing is said about window-eyes. Also notice what is said about the soon to be windows 10 creators update. Part 1 - What's new with VFO - Eric Damery, JAWS, Zoomtext, Fusion and more http://traffic.libsyn.com/atupdate/ATU032417.mp3?dest-id=68811 Part 2 - What's new with VFO - Eric Damery, JAWS, Zoomtext, Fusion and more http://traffic.libsyn.com/atupdate/ATU033117.mp3?dest-id=68811 ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40media combb.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/steve%40compro om.co.uk. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: What's new with VFO - Eric Damery, JAWS, Zoomtext, Fusion and more
I agree tony i have a mac and its great no crashes with voiceover. But i still want WE to work since i payed for it. cheers Michael. -Original Message- From: Tony C via Talk Sent: Sunday, April 2, 2017 5:16 AM To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: What's new with VFO - Eric Damery, JAWS, Zoomtext, Fusion and more VFO is going to be kissing my rear soon. I'm already making plans to make the switch to MAC. The Apple/Mac OS is just more stable, and the built in voice over works with so much more stuff than any of the Windows screen readers. Places like VFO keep trying to "rape" the blind community, and that I believe is about to come to an end, just like the NFB's influence on Washington is about to be curbed. There's a growing number of Blind and VI people who are contacting ther Rep's and Congresmen and Washington to denounce the NFB and their ways. Halleua. -Original Message- From: Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:40 AM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: What's new with VFO - Eric Damery, JAWS, Zoomtext, Fusion and more Notice in this two part podcast, nothing is said about window-eyes. Also notice what is said about the soon to be windows 10 creators update. Part 1 - What's new with VFO - Eric Damery, JAWS, Zoomtext, Fusion and more http://traffic.libsyn.com/atupdate/ATU032417.mp3?dest-id=68811 Part 2 - What's new with VFO - Eric Damery, JAWS, Zoomtext, Fusion and more http://traffic.libsyn.com/atupdate/ATU033117.mp3?dest-id=68811 ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40mediacombb.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/michaelandjeanie%40aapt.net.au. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Mozilla Firefox question
qspeeking about fire fox has anyone had a voice announcement after loading a web page in fire fox saying that the web site is not safe and the web site is face book. Cheers Michael. -Original Message- From: net bat via Talk Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 3:49 AM To: Albert Sanchez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Mozilla Firefox question you want it to update. this is the only way you will get security patches. they are ingagrated into the browser. i think there is a setting in firefox to ask you to upgrade instead of doing it automatically. but i haven't found it yet. *** maybe your copy of w e needs to be upgraded? the problem is browse mode and the firefox hot keys to open the add on manager are the same keys. shift control a. maybe if you re assign the w e keys for browse mode to other keys? with my w e 9.5 these keys do not conflict unless w e is unloaded. then the keys will activate the add on manager. -Original Message- From: Albert Sanchez via Talk Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 8:28 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Mozilla Firefox question Hi List, How do I get Mozilla Firefox to stop updating itself automatically? Also, how do I get it to stop going to the add-ons page? Running Windows 7 and WE 9.0. Albert Sanchez ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/michaelandjeanie%40aapt.net.au. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
What actual evidence exists for this rampant conjecture. I continue to get updates for both apps and WE. I also get reply's to support requests. What I see happening here, in the absence of any actual proof, is some people who either have too little to do or have established a deliberate campaign to undermine WE. I am happy to look at any actual evidence, if anyone can provide this, but until then I will continue to use WE and not get myself worked up about what may or may not happen in the future. So if there are press releases, communications from the company, or termination of service notices, please post them on the list so that we can make decisions about what to do next. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+kube=netspace.net...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Jim via Talk Sent: Sunday, 2 April 2017 2:21 AM To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes Correvtion, I talked to Dave about two seek ago so there is more than just one left. Jim On 01-Apr-17 11:59, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote: > Personally, I won't buy jaws. If WE becomes unuseable, I'll go to n v > d a. I've donated to them before and will do so again. How many of > us out there have unfulfilled s m a's? The longer they delay, the > longer they can put off refunding any money or giving us something. > Why on earth would they develop and sell two screen readers? Only one > still there from the gw days is Doug, and his hands are tied. I've > still got systems running xp and those run window-eyes just fine. I > think many of us forget to give GW credit for the fine work they did > over the years and their great customer support. I've had a few > dealings with Freedom in the past and my experience has been their > customer support was terrible. I forget what the thing was called, > but was a note taker with gps and all that. A friend gave me his old > one as the v a bought him a new one. He had let the batteries run > clear down, and the thing lost all of its marbles. I couldn't get any > help from freedom to get up and running again unless the original > purchaser contacted them, and the "original purchaser" didn't even > work for the v a any more. I finally threw a couple grand worth of > stuff in the dumpster. As the old 4 preps song went, "more money for > you and me." No jaws for me at any price. > > 73 > Butch > WA0VJR > Node 3148 > Wallace, ks. > > > On Sat, 1 Apr 2017, Loy via Talk wrote: > >> I agree, I depend on WE every day and I can't afford JAWS. It's been >> 9 months since the acquisition of AISquared and not one word from VFO >> about WE.They are not being honest with all the WE users by being >> silent. I will continue to use WE as long as Windows doesn't change >> where it will no longer work. >> - Original Message - >> From: Rod Hutton via Talk >> To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:58 AM >> Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes >> >> >> Hi Vaughan, >> >> I believe it is a matter of semantics. >> The phrase "not a going concern," to me, implies it is not relevant >> in my life on a daily basis. >> For me, this is not true, since I use it every day. >> Personally, I find this type of language discouraging since I, and >> many others on this this, depend on this screen reader for our >> livelihood and are continuing to use it. >> In addition, and, again, personally, I find this discussion tiresome >> and annoying. >> This is just my feeling. >> >> Respectfully, >> >> Rod >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On >> Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk >> Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 4:02 AM >> To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> >> Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes >> >> I think it will still be an option - but some of you are missing the >> point: it is no longer a practical option for many people. >> >> >> The evidence does not support on-going development. >> >> Evidence includes: bugs not fixed >> Loss of personnel who interacted with the users via this list and >> through other channels. >> The Fort Wayne office is not part of the VFO addresses for its offices. >> >> No news on the VFO site. >> The disestablishemngt of Zoomtext Fusion, in favour of a JFW interface. >> This list is not monitored by VFO. It VFO was paying attentiont it, >> some of the claims made by people like me would be challenged. >> >> >> So: no one is saying stop using your copy of Window-Eyes. All we >> are saying is that it is no longer a going concern. >> >> Vaughan. >> >> >> >> On 4/1/2017 8:52 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: >> > I agree I am of the same thought process until an announcement >> from someone > at VFO says there will be no more window eyes I will >> continue to think it's > a option
