Re: Question About KNFB and camera.

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Joseph,
You should know what you're talking about before disseminating incorrect 
information. The KNFB reader does not need a camera to read any of the 
file types it supports. They're files already on the computer. What are 
you going to do with a camera? You import the files into KNFB and it's 
just another image already created that the same process is performed on.


Bob. Here's a link to the web site with the full documentation.
https://knfbreader.com/knfb-reader-windows-10-complete-user-guide

Good luck,
Tom


On 11/29/2017 12:57 AM, joseph hudson via Talk wrote:

Hello, as I reported on another list, no I don't think so. It needs a camera to 
read files.
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On Nov 28, 2017, at 9:33 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk 
 wrote:

Thanks David. Very interesting.

My one question is, if all I want to do with the KNFB program is decipher 
scanned PDF files that are already in my WLM email, will the KNFB reader read 
those internally with no camera or any other device needed?

I have Win 10 and WLM 12 on a del PC.


-Original Message- From: David via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 2:16 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: David
Subject: Re: Question About KNFB and camera.

PDF documents, or any other file formats on your computer, are
electronically stored information.


Cameras cannot read electronic documents. They are such constructed,
they need to "see" things in real, before they can do anything.


All electronic formats, be it music, video, documents or just any
blah-blah-blah, will have to be processed internally in the computer.


To best illustrate things, may I suggest you think of the camera as the
"eye" of the computer. Let's at the same time, tell the scanner to be
the other "eye" of the PC. The CPU, (or processor), the RAM and any
other electronic inside your computer's physical box - well, let's name
it the brain. Even so, the hard disk or SSD, which we will compare to
your "deep memory".


As you well know, your physical eyes cannot "look" inside the brain, and
perform anything from within your body. Rather, the eyes can feed the
brain with information, which your brain now can process.


Back to your query. You will need a camera to feed any written or
physically visible information into the computer. Whatever has already
been fed into the computer, like an electronically stored document, will
be non-interesting for the camera, scanner or any further feeding
equipment. All processing of what you have in your brain, will be done
by the brain directly. All information already stored on your computer,
will be processed directly by the computer, and loaded software.


I know, you wanted a quick answer to your question. I just thought it
might be helpful for you and others, to have a clarified comprehension
of why the answer is the way it stands.


To jhust elaborate a tiny bit here, let me in very short terms tell you
how any OCR software works.

First of all, it needs to retrieve some information. It will typically
leave you the chance of defining whether it should grab some electronic
document, or if it should contact an external piece of equipment - like
a camera or a scanner. To the software, it basically does not matter
whichever way you feed it with information.


Next, it will start to process the information it has loaded into its
memory. All such electronic information is made up of 0's and 1's, also
known as pixels. And the software will compare the layout of these, with
an internal dictionary. The dictionary will be like a tremendous
collection of stencils. If the OCR finds that a set of dots (or pixels)
in the received information matches any stencil in the dictionary, it
will know what character this will represent. It now will "type" this
character into a virtual document, thereby imitating you pressing a key
on the keyboard.


Finally, when it has finished the whole loaded information, it will
present you with the virtually typed document.


For your information, in old times, the stencil-lookup was pretty much a
one-to-one comparison. That means, it would need a match that would be
very close to the exact stenciled shape. If it was to recognize anything
to be the letter O, it would need a set of pixels in a perfect circle.


Modern OCR software has become far mor "inteligent", whatever we want to
talk about inteligence when comes to silly electronic units like a
computer. The inteligence is that the OCR no longer will depend on close
to exact matches. To a very high degree, it might "look" at the
properties of a scanned character, and base its recognition on the
results thereof. For instance, it would conclude that a set of pixels
that resemble two parallel vertical lines, slightly spaced from each
other, 

Re: Question About KNFB and camera.

[joseph hudson via Talk]

Hi Steve, I would bet, that it checks for a camera before you perform an action.
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> On Nov 28, 2017, at 5:44 PM, Steve Jacobson via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Robert,
> 
> Maybe you already know this, but the strength of the KNFB reader is to take a 
> picture of a document and turn it into text.  It was originally designed to 
> be used on smart phones offering an extremely portable reading solution.  It 
> is now available in Windows, but the idea was to be able to use the cameras 
> that are built into many laptops and tablets to allow reading of text.  
> Although I have not used it this way, it can apparently perform Optical 
> Character Recognition on PDF documents and other internal files which does 
> not involve using a camera.  However, I do not know if the KNFB Reader checks 
> for a camera or not.  It seems to me that back near the beginning of this 
> thread, you asked about whether it can read PDF's.  Before you buy it to read 
> PDF's that don't contain text, check out the option in JAWS to do that now.  
> If you are on JAWS 18 or JAWS 2018, it is possible that you already have 
> something that will do what you need.  
> 
> Also, I don't have experience using it with an external camera as some of 
> mentioned here, but the experience has been that there is a resolution limit 
> that will really help OCR.  I have heard a number somewhat lower than Josh 
> gave of 8MB, but his number is probably fine.  The point is that it is not 
> the case that the higher the resolution the better the results.  A point is 
> reached where there is more information provided than is useful.  
> 
> I hope this answers the question you were really trying to get at.  Sometimes 
> we go all around the answer and never hit it directly.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Steve Jacobson
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
> Of Robert Ringwald via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 11:23 AM
> To: Talk 
> Cc: Robert Ringwald 
> Subject: Question About KNFB and camera.
> 
> I do not have a smart phone. In order to use the KNFB program to just read 
> PDF's on the computer, do I need a camera? Or can it be done internally 
> within the computer?
> 
> Windows 10.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Question About KNFB and camera.

[joseph hudson via Talk]

Hello, as I reported on another list, no I don't think so. It needs a camera to 
read files.
Joseph Hudson 

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> On Nov 28, 2017, at 9:33 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks David. Very interesting.
> 
> My one question is, if all I want to do with the KNFB program is decipher 
> scanned PDF files that are already in my WLM email, will the KNFB reader read 
> those internally with no camera or any other device needed?
> 
> I have Win 10 and WLM 12 on a del PC.
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: David via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 2:16 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Cc: David
> Subject: Re: Question About KNFB and camera.
> 
> PDF documents, or any other file formats on your computer, are
> electronically stored information.
> 
> 
> Cameras cannot read electronic documents. They are such constructed,
> they need to "see" things in real, before they can do anything.
> 
> 
> All electronic formats, be it music, video, documents or just any
> blah-blah-blah, will have to be processed internally in the computer.
> 
> 
> To best illustrate things, may I suggest you think of the camera as the
> "eye" of the computer. Let's at the same time, tell the scanner to be
> the other "eye" of the PC. The CPU, (or processor), the RAM and any
> other electronic inside your computer's physical box - well, let's name
> it the brain. Even so, the hard disk or SSD, which we will compare to
> your "deep memory".
> 
> 
> As you well know, your physical eyes cannot "look" inside the brain, and
> perform anything from within your body. Rather, the eyes can feed the
> brain with information, which your brain now can process.
> 
> 
> Back to your query. You will need a camera to feed any written or
> physically visible information into the computer. Whatever has already
> been fed into the computer, like an electronically stored document, will
> be non-interesting for the camera, scanner or any further feeding
> equipment. All processing of what you have in your brain, will be done
> by the brain directly. All information already stored on your computer,
> will be processed directly by the computer, and loaded software.
> 
> 
> I know, you wanted a quick answer to your question. I just thought it
> might be helpful for you and others, to have a clarified comprehension
> of why the answer is the way it stands.
> 
> 
> To jhust elaborate a tiny bit here, let me in very short terms tell you
> how any OCR software works.
> 
> First of all, it needs to retrieve some information. It will typically
> leave you the chance of defining whether it should grab some electronic
> document, or if it should contact an external piece of equipment - like
> a camera or a scanner. To the software, it basically does not matter
> whichever way you feed it with information.
> 
> 
> Next, it will start to process the information it has loaded into its
> memory. All such electronic information is made up of 0's and 1's, also
> known as pixels. And the software will compare the layout of these, with
> an internal dictionary. The dictionary will be like a tremendous
> collection of stencils. If the OCR finds that a set of dots (or pixels)
> in the received information matches any stencil in the dictionary, it
> will know what character this will represent. It now will "type" this
> character into a virtual document, thereby imitating you pressing a key
> on the keyboard.
> 
> 
> Finally, when it has finished the whole loaded information, it will
> present you with the virtually typed document.
> 
> 
> For your information, in old times, the stencil-lookup was pretty much a
> one-to-one comparison. That means, it would need a match that would be
> very close to the exact stenciled shape. If it was to recognize anything
> to be the letter O, it would need a set of pixels in a perfect circle.
> 
> 
> Modern OCR software has become far mor "inteligent", whatever we want to
> talk about inteligence when comes to silly electronic units like a
> computer. The inteligence is that the OCR no longer will depend on close
> to exact matches. To a very high degree, it might "look" at the
> properties of a scanned character, and base its recognition on the
> results thereof. For instance, it would conclude that a set of pixels
> that resemble two parallel vertical lines, slightly spaced from each
> other, with a horizontal line running just about mid-way up between the
> verticals - all in all will be interpreted as the capitalized letter H.
> 
> Likewise, a vertical bar, with a tiny line pointing diagonally out from
> the upper left end, will likely be told to be the number 1.
> 
> 
> As you might understand, such propetary comparison will be more
> forgiving, than if you were to 

RE: Question About KNFB and camera.

[Steve Jacobson via Talk]

Robert,

KNFB reader would do that if it doesn't check for a camera when it starts.  
There is a KNFB Readers' list, I'll see if anybody knows on that list.

Best regards,

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Robert Ringwald via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 9:33 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Robert Ringwald 
Subject: Re: Question About KNFB and camera.

Thanks David. Very interesting.

My one question is, if all I want to do with the KNFB program is decipher 
scanned PDF files that are already in my WLM email, will the KNFB reader 
read those internally with no camera or any other device needed?

I have Win 10 and WLM 12 on a del PC.


-Original Message- 
From: David via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 2:16 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: David
Subject: Re: Question About KNFB and camera.

PDF documents, or any other file formats on your computer, are
electronically stored information.


Cameras cannot read electronic documents. They are such constructed,
they need to "see" things in real, before they can do anything.


All electronic formats, be it music, video, documents or just any
blah-blah-blah, will have to be processed internally in the computer.


To best illustrate things, may I suggest you think of the camera as the
"eye" of the computer. Let's at the same time, tell the scanner to be
the other "eye" of the PC. The CPU, (or processor), the RAM and any
other electronic inside your computer's physical box - well, let's name
it the brain. Even so, the hard disk or SSD, which we will compare to
your "deep memory".


As you well know, your physical eyes cannot "look" inside the brain, and
perform anything from within your body. Rather, the eyes can feed the
brain with information, which your brain now can process.


Back to your query. You will need a camera to feed any written or
physically visible information into the computer. Whatever has already
been fed into the computer, like an electronically stored document, will
be non-interesting for the camera, scanner or any further feeding
equipment. All processing of what you have in your brain, will be done
by the brain directly. All information already stored on your computer,
will be processed directly by the computer, and loaded software.


I know, you wanted a quick answer to your question. I just thought it
might be helpful for you and others, to have a clarified comprehension
of why the answer is the way it stands.


To jhust elaborate a tiny bit here, let me in very short terms tell you
how any OCR software works.

First of all, it needs to retrieve some information. It will typically
leave you the chance of defining whether it should grab some electronic
document, or if it should contact an external piece of equipment - like
a camera or a scanner. To the software, it basically does not matter
whichever way you feed it with information.


Next, it will start to process the information it has loaded into its
memory. All such electronic information is made up of 0's and 1's, also
known as pixels. And the software will compare the layout of these, with
an internal dictionary. The dictionary will be like a tremendous
collection of stencils. If the OCR finds that a set of dots (or pixels)
in the received information matches any stencil in the dictionary, it
will know what character this will represent. It now will "type" this
character into a virtual document, thereby imitating you pressing a key
on the keyboard.


Finally, when it has finished the whole loaded information, it will
present you with the virtually typed document.


For your information, in old times, the stencil-lookup was pretty much a
one-to-one comparison. That means, it would need a match that would be
very close to the exact stenciled shape. If it was to recognize anything
to be the letter O, it would need a set of pixels in a perfect circle.


Modern OCR software has become far mor "inteligent", whatever we want to
talk about inteligence when comes to silly electronic units like a
computer. The inteligence is that the OCR no longer will depend on close
to exact matches. To a very high degree, it might "look" at the
properties of a scanned character, and base its recognition on the
results thereof. For instance, it would conclude that a set of pixels
that resemble two parallel vertical lines, slightly spaced from each
other, with a horizontal line running just about mid-way up between the
verticals - all in all will be interpreted as the capitalized letter H.

Likewise, a vertical bar, with a tiny line pointing diagonally out from
the upper left end, will likely be told to be the number 1.


As you might understand, such propetary comparison will be more
forgiving, than if you were to compare exact matches. You no longer need
to define how high the character can be, or what the width should be.
The OCR 

RE: Question About KNFB and camera.

[Steve Jacobson via Talk]

Evelyn,

You are, of course, correct, and while I did not own one I did beta test
one.  That device even had a separate camera even though they were strapped
together so they could function like a single device.   Thank you for the
reminder.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: evelyn weckerly [mailto:wecke...@i2k.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 7:27 PM
To: steve.jacob...@visi.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: RE: Question About KNFB and camera.

Hi, Steve,

Just one little correction: The KNFBREADER Mobile started life on 
a PDA (personal digital assistant).  I know because I owned it.  
I also still have the smartphone version, which was the second 
generation of it.  I also have it on the Braille Note Touch-for 
free.

Regards,

Evelyn



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k.sales has a message in there today with phone number.
 https://groups.io/g/blind-bst/topics
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RE: Question About KNFB and camera.

[evelyn weckerly via Talk]

Hi, Steve,

Just one little correction: The KNFBREADER Mobile started life on 
a PDA (personal digital assistant).  I know because I owned it.  
I also still have the smartphone version, which was the second 
generation of it.  I also have it on the Braille Note Touch-for 
free.


Regards,

Evelyn

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RE: Question About KNFB and camera.

[Steve Jacobson via Talk]

Robert,

Maybe you already know this, but the strength of the KNFB reader is to take a 
picture of a document and turn it into text.  It was originally designed to be 
used on smart phones offering an extremely portable reading solution.  It is 
now available in Windows, but the idea was to be able to use the cameras that 
are built into many laptops and tablets to allow reading of text.  Although I 
have not used it this way, it can apparently perform Optical Character 
Recognition on PDF documents and other internal files which does not involve 
using a camera.  However, I do not know if the KNFB Reader checks for a camera 
or not.  It seems to me that back near the beginning of this thread, you asked 
about whether it can read PDF's.  Before you buy it to read PDF's that don't 
contain text, check out the option in JAWS to do that now.  If you are on JAWS 
18 or JAWS 2018, it is possible that you already have something that will do 
what you need.  

Also, I don't have experience using it with an external camera as some of 
mentioned here, but the experience has been that there is a resolution limit 
that will really help OCR.  I have heard a number somewhat lower than Josh gave 
of 8MB, but his number is probably fine.  The point is that it is not the case 
that the higher the resolution the better the results.  A point is reached 
where there is more information provided than is useful.  

I hope this answers the question you were really trying to get at.  Sometimes 
we go all around the answer and never hit it directly.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Robert Ringwald via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 11:23 AM
To: Talk 
Cc: Robert Ringwald 
Subject: Question About KNFB and camera.

I do not have a smart phone. In order to use the KNFB program to just read 
PDF's on the computer, do I need a camera? Or can it be done internally 
within the computer?

Windows 10.




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Re: Question About KNFB and camera.

[David via Talk]

PDF documents, or any other file formats on your computer, are 
electronically stored information.


Cameras cannot read electronic documents. They are such constructed, 
they need to "see" things in real, before they can do anything.


All electronic formats, be it music, video, documents or just any 
blah-blah-blah, will have to be processed internally in the computer.


To best illustrate things, may I suggest you think of the camera as the 
"eye" of the computer. Let's at the same time, tell the scanner to be 
the other "eye" of the PC. The CPU, (or processor), the RAM and any 
other electronic inside your computer's physical box - well, let's name 
it the brain. Even so, the hard disk or SSD, which we will compare to 
your "deep memory".


As you well know, your physical eyes cannot "look" inside the brain, and 
perform anything from within your body. Rather, the eyes can feed the 
brain with information, which your brain now can process.


Back to your query. You will need a camera to feed any written or 
physically visible information into the computer. Whatever has already 
been fed into the computer, like an electronically stored document, will 
be non-interesting for the camera, scanner or any further feeding 
equipment. All processing of what you have in your brain, will be done 
by the brain directly. All information already stored on your computer, 
will be processed directly by the computer, and loaded software.


I know, you wanted a quick answer to your question. I just thought it 
might be helpful for you and others, to have a clarified comprehension 
of why the answer is the way it stands.


To jhust elaborate a tiny bit here, let me in very short terms tell you 
how any OCR software works.

First of all, it needs to retrieve some information. It will typically 
leave you the chance of defining whether it should grab some electronic 
document, or if it should contact an external piece of equipment - like 
a camera or a scanner. To the software, it basically does not matter 
whichever way you feed it with information.


Next, it will start to process the information it has loaded into its 
memory. All such electronic information is made up of 0's and 1's, also 
known as pixels. And the software will compare the layout of these, with 
an internal dictionary. The dictionary will be like a tremendous 
collection of stencils. If the OCR finds that a set of dots (or pixels) 
in the received information matches any stencil in the dictionary, it 
will know what character this will represent. It now will "type" this 
character into a virtual document, thereby imitating you pressing a key 
on the keyboard.


Finally, when it has finished the whole loaded information, it will 
present you with the virtually typed document.


For your information, in old times, the stencil-lookup was pretty much a 
one-to-one comparison. That means, it would need a match that would be 
very close to the exact stenciled shape. If it was to recognize anything 
to be the letter O, it would need a set of pixels in a perfect circle.


Modern OCR software has become far mor "inteligent", whatever we want to 
talk about inteligence when comes to silly electronic units like a 
computer. The inteligence is that the OCR no longer will depend on close 
to exact matches. To a very high degree, it might "look" at the 
properties of a scanned character, and base its recognition on the 
results thereof. For instance, it would conclude that a set of pixels 
that resemble two parallel vertical lines, slightly spaced from each 
other, with a horizontal line running just about mid-way up between the 
verticals - all in all will be interpreted as the capitalized letter H.

Likewise, a vertical bar, with a tiny line pointing diagonally out from 
the upper left end, will likely be told to be the number 1.


As you might understand, such propetary comparison will be more 
forgiving, than if you were to compare exact matches. You no longer need 
to define how high the character can be, or what the width should be. 
The OCR can "see" this is the number 9, big or small print, simply by 
recognizing the shape and other properties of the character. This is one 
of the reasons, modern OCR can perform high degrees of faultless 
recognition. In the old days of the 80's, often a number 9, and the 
lower-case G, would be confusingly recognized as either, due to the fact 
that they quite much would resemble similar pixel-patterns.


to improve the OCR recognition, modern OCR software further will hold 
comprehensive dictionaries for spelling, in several languages. It is 
considered very little likely, that any word in English would be:

     log9ing,

so the OCR will recognize this as if it was a common typo, and replace 
the 9 with a g, making the word:

     logging,

which happens to be a validly spelled English word.


Since they now aday do propetary stencilized OCR, they also can perform 
recognition of hand-writing. At least, to a certain 

RE: Question About KNFB and camera.

[Josh Kennedy via Talk]

To read pdf’s you do not need a camera. 

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From: Robert Ringwald via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 12:25
To: Talk
Cc: Robert Ringwald
Subject: Question About KNFB and camera. 

I do not have a smart phone. In order to use the KNFB program to just read 
PDF's on the computer, do I need a camera? Or can it be done internally 
within the computer?

Windows 10.




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Question About KNFB and camera.

[Robert Ringwald via Talk]

I do not have a smart phone. In order to use the KNFB program to just read 
PDF's on the computer, do I need a camera? Or can it be done internally 
within the computer?


Windows 10.




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RE: camera for knfb reader

[Josh Kennedy via Talk]

The hover cam and the Ziggy are two different products. You choose one or the 
other. 

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From: Andre via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 11:14
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Andre
Subject: RE: camera for knfb reader

Has knfb reader changed? I thought it was a software program for your
computer or an app for your smart phone which would already have a built-in
camera.

How would this be able to be used with the ziggi cam or this thing called
the hover cam?

Are there better cameras than these that would give you even better results?


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+stepserve=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 5:55 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: RE: camera for knfb reader

Just make sure it is an 8mp camera. That will give you good results. 

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From: BK via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 15:39
To: gw micro
Cc: BK
Subject: camera for knfb reader

Hello, I just downloaded the knfb reader. Now I am looking for
recommendations for a camera to use with it. Is there much difference
between the ziggi cam and the hover cam, and what about the price? I
hear one cost about 400 and the other about 100. Is the difference in
cost worth it? And where can I buy one? All suggestions are appreciated.

Butch

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RE: camera for knfb reader

[Andre via Talk]

Has knfb reader changed? I thought it was a software program for your
computer or an app for your smart phone which would already have a built-in
camera.

How would this be able to be used with the ziggi cam or this thing called
the hover cam?

Are there better cameras than these that would give you even better results?


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+stepserve=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 5:55 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Josh Kennedy
Subject: RE: camera for knfb reader

Just make sure it is an 8mp camera. That will give you good results. 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: BK via Talk
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 15:39
To: gw micro
Cc: BK
Subject: camera for knfb reader

Hello, I just downloaded the knfb reader. Now I am looking for
recommendations for a camera to use with it. Is there much difference
between the ziggi cam and the hover cam, and what about the price? I
hear one cost about 400 and the other about 100. Is the difference in
cost worth it? And where can I buy one? All suggestions are appreciated.

Butch

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Re: Nod 32

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

By chance, did you happen to ask the representative about the message you 
now get from Nod32 version 8?  I get the message it's out of date and they 
can't guarantee the best virus protection.


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Subject: Nod 32

Hi,

I talked with a representative from Eset about what version I should use
with a screen reader and he said version 8.



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Re: need new computer

[BK via Talk]

Hello, do you have Kevin's phone number? I would like to talk to him,
without having to subscribe to another list. Thanks.

Butch

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