Re: Has anyone ever considered using the Apple Mac?
Hi Paulette, Yes, well, as much as I appreciate your recognition of my computer abilities, I still feel like a newborn babe when it comes to the Mac operating system. Take care, Rod Sent from Outlook for the Mac On 2018-05-29, 11:20 AM, "Talk on behalf of Paulette Vickery via Talk" wrote: Hi Rod, I'm glad you like the site. I think he has a lot of great information. I am really pleased that you, who knows a lot more about computers than I do, find the information useful as well. Paulette -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2018 8:57 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Rod Hutton Subject: RE: Has anyone ever considered using the Apple Mac? Hi Paulette, Thanks very much for the web site recommendation. I decided to buy one of his Apple Slices for five bucks on how to select non-contiguous items on the Mac. I had no idea one could easily select non-contiguous files in folders as well as tracks in iTunes and add them to a playlist. Indeed, once you make a selection, there's even a hot key for reading it. What an operating system Apple has designed! Thanks again, Rod Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Paulette Vickery via Talk Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2018 10:48 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Paulette Vickery Subject: RE: Has anyone ever considered using the Apple Mac? Hi Rick, Though a bit pricy, I like the thoroughness of the website called, mac for the blind. It is done by a man who used the windows operating system for many years and decided that he likes using the mac better. However, he still keeps up with windows, because I believe he taches the use of windows as well. Check out his website. I don't have the link, but as I mentioned, the name of the website is, mac for the blind dot com. Paulette -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2018 3:56 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Rod Hutton Subject: FW: Has anyone ever considered using the Apple Mac? Hi everyone, Further to my recent post which I quote below, I learned a hot key which gave me access to certain controls on my grocery website which, up to now, I could only access using my Windows 10 machine; therefore, while it was a guess that there was something inherently superior about the accessibility framework within Windows, my recent experience has rekindled my hope that perhaps I can trust my Mac to allow me to access all of the web resources I need after all. Without going into too much detail, suffice it to say that web designers love to use pop-up dialog boxes on their pages, and I didn't realize that VoiceOver on the Mac has a special hot key which allows such a dialog to be accessed; for anyone using a Mac, and who might need it, this hot key is Ctrl-Option-Shift-End; I had been using Ctrl-Option-End, and had assumed that the controls I was looking for were at the bottom of the page, as, indeed, they were in Firefox on Windows. However, being a relative novice to the Mac, I am still learning, as, indeed, am I continually challenged by the often arbitrary decisions of web developers in designing their pages. At this point, then, I cannot honestly say whether, in the long run, I will say that Mac or Windows will prove to be the best tool for accessing the web, but I did buy a Mac with the intention of abandoning Windows if I could, and, today, this seems like a good bet. I just wanted to point to a couple of issues which might challenge anyone coming to the Mac from Windows. One is the need to learn a great number of hot keys, not just for the VoiceOver screen reader, but for the operating system as well, and there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason behind their choice by the software developers. Perhaps the greatest challenge, however, is the fact that Windows users have been spoiled by the continual presence of a focused cursor where we can interact with the interface immediately, and our screen reader can quickly query the cursor status. This is not true in the Mac OS, since, as with IOS, the user must first review the screen to find a control, and then press the Interact hot key in order to work with it. Personally, I can still more quicly edit text on Windows than on my Mac or my IOS devices. I'm getting better, but over 30 years doing this on Windows
Re: toggle and not whole phrase
Or, you can get directly to it, by opening the WE Control Panel - Ctrl+Backslash, then Hit Alt-F, and the letter E for Explore. You now are directly in the WE Profile folder, and if you hit the Backspace key, you will go one level up. Here you can make your backup copy of the whole folder, and do your renaming if you so desire. On 6/3/2018 2:44 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote: > Hi Richard, > > The profile folder is contained within the following folder, that is, the > parent of the default profile folder can be opened by typing the following > command at the Run dialog: > > %appdata%\gw micro\window-eyes\users > > The Run dialog, incidentally, can be opened by pressing Windows-R. > Once this folder is open, you can highlight the folder called default, which > is the profile folder, and you can then rename it by adding the characters > .Bak to the end of the folder name, and then restart WE as Tom suggests. > > Hth, > > Rod > > Sent from Outlook for the Mac > > On 2018-06-03, 2:09 AM, "Talk on behalf of richard kurlander via Talk" > talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: > > where do you find the profile folder?At 10:53 AM 6/2/2018, you wrote: > >Sorry, Richard, but as I said, I have no idea what's causing it. > >It's very seldom that I see it. And I either re-open the control > >panel or reload WE. I can't even remember which. > >Is it doing this every time you open the control panel? Does it do > >it if you reboot and open the control panel with no other programs > >open? If so, I'd probably close WE and rename my profile folder to > >default.back and reload WE. It will create a new default folder. > >That's more or less like a soft reset without having to uninstall > >and reinstall WE. > >Tom > > > > > >On 6/2/2018 6:27 AM, richard kurlander via Talk wrote: > >>tom it's weird since on my machine at home using win ver 1803 at > >>work using win ver 1607 even when I am in keyboard settings for me > >>to hear the right thing I must hit enter twice very weird. do you > >>think something wrong with windoweyes defaults? tried reinstalling > >>that no luck.At 04:13 PM 6/1/2018, you wrote: > >>>I have seen this. But it's so rare I can't remember if I figured > >>>out why it was happening. I think just exiting the control panel > >>>and re-entering it solved the problem. > >>>If you're a sleeper, that is, one who never shuts down but only > >>>puts the system to sleep for weeks on end, a reboot or cold boot > >>>often solves quirky behaviors due to the inevitable memory leaks > >>>and other imperfections in an imperfect ecosystem. > >>>Hth, > >>>Tom > >>> > >>> > >>>On 6/1/2018 2:20 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: > When I am in keyboard settings and you go to voice rate when you > tab you only hear toggle scope and not voice toggle scope unless > you press enter twice. > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of > the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > For membership options, visit > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Foptions.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com%2Ftom.kingston%2540charter.net&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3e248bd075774085445c08d5c918930e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636636029732744172&sdata=r1Ou10fU6uqyAc3mofx%2Bajlat4JhVE9TR2dCE84kyLQ%3D&reserved=0. > > For subscription options, visit > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Flistinfo.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3e248bd075774085445c08d5c918930e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636636029732744172&sdata=OI4H4Sk93FooUz0%2FCDJSa2rMAjN2t6Y9gRgV7dmohsU%3D&reserved=0 > List archives can be found at > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Fprivate.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3e248bd075774085445c08d5c918930e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636636029732744172&sdata=zMBgk4PJma7TyVIzsemc%2BCYZoowuwFAWgdwcHVICKfg%3D&reserved=0 > >>>___ > >>>Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of > >>>the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > >>> > >>>For membership options, visit > > >>>https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Foptions.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com%2Fr.kurlander%2540verizon.net&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3e248bd075774085445c08d5c918930e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636636029732744172&sdata=s8xCITFV5tFOyJ55KvWuBUDUksh%2F%2BEvFWWGzFO7XARA%3D&reserved=0. > >>> > >>>For subs
Re: toggle and not whole phrase
Hi Richard, The profile folder is contained within the following folder, that is, the parent of the default profile folder can be opened by typing the following command at the Run dialog: %appdata%\gw micro\window-eyes\users The Run dialog, incidentally, can be opened by pressing Windows-R. Once this folder is open, you can highlight the folder called default, which is the profile folder, and you can then rename it by adding the characters .Bak to the end of the folder name, and then restart WE as Tom suggests. Hth, Rod Sent from Outlook for the Mac On 2018-06-03, 2:09 AM, "Talk on behalf of richard kurlander via Talk" wrote: where do you find the profile folder?At 10:53 AM 6/2/2018, you wrote: >Sorry, Richard, but as I said, I have no idea what's causing it. >It's very seldom that I see it. And I either re-open the control >panel or reload WE. I can't even remember which. >Is it doing this every time you open the control panel? Does it do >it if you reboot and open the control panel with no other programs >open? If so, I'd probably close WE and rename my profile folder to >default.back and reload WE. It will create a new default folder. >That's more or less like a soft reset without having to uninstall >and reinstall WE. >Tom > > >On 6/2/2018 6:27 AM, richard kurlander via Talk wrote: >>tom it's weird since on my machine at home using win ver 1803 at >>work using win ver 1607 even when I am in keyboard settings for me >>to hear the right thing I must hit enter twice very weird. do you >>think something wrong with windoweyes defaults? tried reinstalling >>that no luck.At 04:13 PM 6/1/2018, you wrote: >>>I have seen this. But it's so rare I can't remember if I figured >>>out why it was happening. I think just exiting the control panel >>>and re-entering it solved the problem. >>>If you're a sleeper, that is, one who never shuts down but only >>>puts the system to sleep for weeks on end, a reboot or cold boot >>>often solves quirky behaviors due to the inevitable memory leaks >>>and other imperfections in an imperfect ecosystem. >>>Hth, >>>Tom >>> >>> >>>On 6/1/2018 2:20 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) via Talk wrote: When I am in keyboard settings and you go to voice rate when you tab you only hear toggle scope and not voice toggle scope unless you press enter twice. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Foptions.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com%2Ftom.kingston%2540charter.net&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3e248bd075774085445c08d5c918930e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636636029732744172&sdata=r1Ou10fU6uqyAc3mofx%2Bajlat4JhVE9TR2dCE84kyLQ%3D&reserved=0. For subscription options, visit https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Flistinfo.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3e248bd075774085445c08d5c918930e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636636029732744172&sdata=OI4H4Sk93FooUz0%2FCDJSa2rMAjN2t6Y9gRgV7dmohsU%3D&reserved=0 List archives can be found at https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Fprivate.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3e248bd075774085445c08d5c918930e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636636029732744172&sdata=zMBgk4PJma7TyVIzsemc%2BCYZoowuwFAWgdwcHVICKfg%3D&reserved=0 >>>___ >>>Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of >>>the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>> >>>For membership options, visit >>>https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Foptions.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com%2Fr.kurlander%2540verizon.net&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3e248bd075774085445c08d5c918930e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636636029732744172&sdata=s8xCITFV5tFOyJ55KvWuBUDUksh%2F%2BEvFWWGzFO7XARA%3D&reserved=0. >>> >>>For subscription options, visit >>>https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Flistinfo.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3e248bd075774085445c08d5c918930e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636636029732744172&sdata=OI4H4Sk93FooUz0%2FCDJSa2rMAjN2t6Y9gRgV7dmohsU%3D&reserved=0 >>>List archives can be found at >>>https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Fprivate.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3e248bd075774085445c08d5c918930e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aa
