Re: WE on other platforms. Was: Re: Why Narrator will be better as a Screen Reader
Olusegun, Just for the record, Office was not ported to Android. Generally speaking, programs can be ported between Windows, MacOS, and Linux, or, Universal Windows Platform, iOS, and Android. These are essentially two different classes of platforms: desktop and mobile. The core difference is that they use different CPUs. So Office was rewritten for mobile platforms. This then requires compilation to a machine independent intermediate code layer. That intermediate code must then be separately compiled to each platform or use an interpreter, the latter of which compiles the code on the fly. The bottom line is that programs that have been around since the dawn of Windows have hundreds of thousands of lines of code exclusive to core components of the operating system. There is no automation that can rewrite the meaning of life for these programs. Relatively speaking, designing programs for portability is a new-age approach brought on mostly by the mobile evolution. And still, this is no magic wand. This is why most of the biggest accessibility apps have been developed for iOS and Android users then have to wait a year or two before they're ported over to that platform. Regards, Tom On 8/29/2018 6:27 PM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk wrote: David, I enjoyed reading your post; it did present some interesting angles regarding my thought process. I believe that the impossible is that which has not been tried. We could all wake up tomorrow and hear an important announcement: Jaws for Android is here! Shall we throw up our arms in the air in disgust? I doubt that. If nothing else, many of us will play ball with it and see where its chips land. After all, in Android Land, you can have as many screen readers as you choose--Talkback, ShinePlus can be used in any Android toy; VoiceAssistant and VoiceViews are still partial to their creators, Samsung and Amazon in that order. I've never been a programmer; yet, I've seen Windows apps being ported over to Android. A good example is Outlook, another is Word and, yes, Excel is available on the Android platform. I may be odd, but I do love and appreciate being able to use touchscreen toys! I am, as of the present moment, equally productive on my Shiny Android toys as I am using a keyboard with a computer. I taught myself all that I do and I ask questions of more knowledgeable folks when I am stuck. No, I'm not a guru and do not frankly wish to be one--nonetheless, if it weren't for the legacy Windows app that are work related, I shall have divorced Windows and keep on running with ONLY Android TOYS in my pocket! I do a lot of travel, I see touchscreen terminals lined up forever at airports. Sadly, they are not accessible. To get around that for the time being, I bring all I need with me for my trips. Example, I check in and print my own burden pass all the time before heading out to the airport. I'm STINGY ENOUGH not to CHECK BAGS, so there's never an argument there. In fact, I don't even go to the airline counter, I head straight to the T S A security line. Oh, I have also CLEARED T S A security checks so i don't need to remove my underwear, belts or shoes to pass through the screening process. Guess I'm crazy lucky and I realise that not everyone is similarly situated. The clearance I have is NOT FREE, cost $100 for five years, I renew it again in 2023 if I'm still breathing and a bit less troublesome, There are a heck of a lot of things I can do with my touchscreen phone which a computer or any currently available access technology DO NOT make possible. For instance, if I don't wish to print my burden pass and carry a piece of paper in my pocket, I can simply show it on my touchscreen Shiny Android toy to a screener at the security gate, or at an airline check-in counter. I'm one person who prefers 99% of everything electronically 'cause the prospects of a misplacement is sharply reduced for me. Heck, for international travels, I can CLEAR THE U.S. CUSTOMS electronically on my touchscreen Shiny Android toy even before I board my flight back home. No computer or access technology will help me do that, but my Shiny Android toys do and they fit snugly in my chest pocket. Thus, I can keep hope alive; it may or may not happen. Notwithstanding, I sure hope that someone much more brilliant than I figures out a way to resurrect Window-Eyes as a screen reader on the Android platform! In some shape or form, we've been here before: Window-Eyes was dying, some of us shouted it out from the treetops and were sent to the gas chambers so we could be forgotten and never heard from. Fortunately, the doors of the gas chambers DIDN'T CLOSE before we were vindicated. Should the hope I nurse become a reality, this beggar who wishes for what is classified as impossible surely wants to ride into town with happiness pushing a Window-Eyes for Android cart! Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado
RE: WE on other platforms. Was: Re: Why Narrator will be better as a Screen Reader
At 06:27 PM 8/29/2018, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, wrote: >I believe that the impossible is that which has not been tried. We could >all wake up tomorrow and hear an important announcement: Jaws for Android >is here! Shall we throw up our arms in the air in disgust? I doubt that. >If nothing else, many of us will play ball with it and see where its chips >land. After all, in Android Land, you can have as many screen readers as >you choose--Talkback, ShinePlus can be used in any Android toy; >VoiceAssistant and VoiceViews are still partial to their creators, Samsung >and Amazon in that order. I've never been a programmer; yet, I've seen >Windows apps being ported over to Android. A good example is Outlook, >another is Word and, yes, Excel is available on the Android platform. The examples you gave share an important commonality: they're all Windows applications ported over to Android for user convenience. The Android versions of these apps are free for a reason. Google can afford to work on Talkback because it's built into every Android phone. But a competing screen reader would have to charge hefty prices to stay in business with Android. >I may be odd, but I do love and appreciate being able to use touchscreen >toys! I am, as of the present moment, equally productive on my Shiny >Android toys as I am using a keyboard with a computer. I taught myself all >that I do and I ask questions of more knowledgeable folks when I am stuck. >No, I'm not a guru and do not frankly wish to be one--nonetheless, if it >weren't for the legacy Windows app that are work related, I shall have >divorced Windows and keep on running with ONLY Android TOYS in my pocket! Really? Can you select Pages of text inn blocks to be moved around? Can you use regular expressions to replace characters in hundreds of thousands of files at a time? I do that with Notepad Plus Plus, even though I love my Galaxy S9+. >Thus, I can keep hope alive; it may or may not happen. Notwithstanding, I >sure hope that someone much more brilliant than I figures out a way to >resurrect Window-Eyes as a screen reader on the Android platform! In some >shape or form, we've been here before: Window-Eyes was dying, some of us >shouted it out from the treetops and were sent to the gas chambers so we >could be forgotten and never heard from. Fortunately, the doors of the gas >chambers DIDN'T CLOSE before we were vindicated. Should the hope I nurse >become a reality, this beggar who wishes for what is classified as >impossible surely wants to ride into town with happiness pushing a >Window-Eyes for Android cart! I too would love that. But Android as an operating system doesn't need a robust screen reader like Window-eyes. I ultimately think that Doug Geoffray will have the last laugh when Narrator becomes robust enough to displace Jaws.Orlando Enrique Fiol Ph.D. Candidate in Music Theory University of Pennsylvania Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer and Pedagogue ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: WE on other platforms. Was: Re: Why Narrator will be better as a Screen Reader
David, I enjoyed reading your post; it did present some interesting angles regarding my thought process. I believe that the impossible is that which has not been tried. We could all wake up tomorrow and hear an important announcement: Jaws for Android is here! Shall we throw up our arms in the air in disgust? I doubt that. If nothing else, many of us will play ball with it and see where its chips land. After all, in Android Land, you can have as many screen readers as you choose--Talkback, ShinePlus can be used in any Android toy; VoiceAssistant and VoiceViews are still partial to their creators, Samsung and Amazon in that order. I've never been a programmer; yet, I've seen Windows apps being ported over to Android. A good example is Outlook, another is Word and, yes, Excel is available on the Android platform. I may be odd, but I do love and appreciate being able to use touchscreen toys! I am, as of the present moment, equally productive on my Shiny Android toys as I am using a keyboard with a computer. I taught myself all that I do and I ask questions of more knowledgeable folks when I am stuck. No, I'm not a guru and do not frankly wish to be one--nonetheless, if it weren't for the legacy Windows app that are work related, I shall have divorced Windows and keep on running with ONLY Android TOYS in my pocket! I do a lot of travel, I see touchscreen terminals lined up forever at airports. Sadly, they are not accessible. To get around that for the time being, I bring all I need with me for my trips. Example, I check in and print my own burden pass all the time before heading out to the airport. I'm STINGY ENOUGH not to CHECK BAGS, so there's never an argument there. In fact, I don't even go to the airline counter, I head straight to the T S A security line. Oh, I have also CLEARED T S A security checks so i don't need to remove my underwear, belts or shoes to pass through the screening process. Guess I'm crazy lucky and I realise that not everyone is similarly situated. The clearance I have is NOT FREE, cost $100 for five years, I renew it again in 2023 if I'm still breathing and a bit less troublesome, There are a heck of a lot of things I can do with my touchscreen phone which a computer or any currently available access technology DO NOT make possible. For instance, if I don't wish to print my burden pass and carry a piece of paper in my pocket, I can simply show it on my touchscreen Shiny Android toy to a screener at the security gate, or at an airline check-in counter. I'm one person who prefers 99% of everything electronically 'cause the prospects of a misplacement is sharply reduced for me. Heck, for international travels, I can CLEAR THE U.S. CUSTOMS electronically on my touchscreen Shiny Android toy even before I board my flight back home. No computer or access technology will help me do that, but my Shiny Android toys do and they fit snugly in my chest pocket. Thus, I can keep hope alive; it may or may not happen. Notwithstanding, I sure hope that someone much more brilliant than I figures out a way to resurrect Window-Eyes as a screen reader on the Android platform! In some shape or form, we've been here before: Window-Eyes was dying, some of us shouted it out from the treetops and were sent to the gas chambers so we could be forgotten and never heard from. Fortunately, the doors of the gas chambers DIDN'T CLOSE before we were vindicated. Should the hope I nurse become a reality, this beggar who wishes for what is classified as impossible surely wants to ride into town with happiness pushing a Window-Eyes for Android cart! Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
WE on other platforms. Was: Re: Why Narrator will be better as a Screen Reader
Tom, you have a handful of interesting points. Olusegun, dreams sometimes have been the driver for new inventions. Or, what about a Mr Edison, or Mr Ford. They both dreamed - totally unrealistic from the stand of the days - and still, sure changed the lives of most people today. Smiles. Even Louis Braille did have ilutions. And where would many of us have been, did he give up? Difference is, that they forgot about what was already, and started anew; right from scratch. - Forget about the oil in the lamp, let's have some human hair inside a glass container, and put some electricity to it - we might just happen to get some enlightenment. - Forget about all those horses. Let's go get some gasolin, then give the whole thing some electricity - and grandma can have a ride up the steepest hill. - Forget every idea about raised versions of printed letters. Bring a punch from daddy's saddle-maker shop, a piece or two of paper, and leave me alone for the summer vacation. When you see the leaves turn colorful of autumn - here I am going to show you a brand new dotted alphabet. Like Tom stated, Windows is such basically a different beast from Android, or even Apple software - that it would be close to technically impossible to bring the screen reader we have come to enjoy, directly over to the new platform. Furthermore, cellphones, tablets, pads or whatever fancy names they want for their pocket-filler - they all are mobile devices. They are manufactured, even developed, for being products for "on the go" usage; nothing more. Like Tom indicated, reason why they have become so popular, likely is because many people now aday always is on the go - hence the device fits their daily living. But even the most energic geeks, will run into situations where they won't have enough from their mobile device. Did you ever see a server-park, run all from IPads? One thing that I have realized, after trying to learn the Android platform of my cellphone, is the lack of keys. Oh yeah, of course when you want to write something. But what about when you want to control the screen reader? On our PC, whether you use one or the other screen reader, it is a matter of using a couple of keys simultaneously. On the cellphone? Hmm, you are left to do all kinds of more or less intuitive crickle-crackles with your fingers, HOPING that you ended up doing it right. I don't find that very productive. And, even with a keyboard connected - half the time you have to perform certain commands onscreen, due to the fact of it all not being fully keyboard controlable. Tom's point about the developers behind the operating system, and their reluctancy in letting app developers reach deep enough into the code, is quite a show-stopper. The fact that they even let any app run, without all controls on the screen being labelled, is yet another. The whole idea of making a complete system, fully and basically relying on people pegging on a screen, simply never made too much sense to me. What I can do in a matter of seconds on my computer, will take multiple of time on a mobile device; become how good at it you ever want. Have you ever seen anyone - sighted - being able to type the same fast on a touch-screen device, that they could on a full-sized computer keyboard? A few - rather basic businesses - will be able to run all their activity from one of these devices. Still, ask yourself how come that you go to the bank office, the air port check-in, the police station, the public office of any services, the library helpdesk - well you finish the list - and yet, you hardly see any of them performing their business day off a touch-screen device. If these were such great tools, that everyone tell them to be, it sure puzzles why they are not being used more in such cases. The simpler answer to the whole thing, is the productivity, as well as the lack of capacity. A mobile device, which would hold the same speed, quality and technical standard as a computer? Hey, I wonder if it won't be pretty much the same heavy, clumsy, and power-consuming as a computer. Go ahead, invent the wheel all over; but be sure to make it circular this time. Smiles. Mobile devices were developed for mobile use, and will never become anything but that. Tom gave you the analogy of a truck compared to a family car. It is a good one. Though you could dream of selling your car, buying yourself an 18-wheeler - that you never would need worry how many teddybears your daughter wanted to bring along - you also will have to remember that the truck runs on diesel, and that gasolin on that tank will cause nothing but an aching wallet. Smiles. - A full-fledged screen reader on a mobile device? Yeah, maybe, if you enjoy frustrations and limited adaptability. You know, at least on Android, you cannot even redefine the gestures. Someone, who seems to have been born in a circus, has defined what gesture should make the speech do
WE, ZT and IE together a problem
Is anyone successfully using the latest version of ZoomText Magnifier and Window Eyes together on Windows 10 in IE. These two always had worked together until recently. IE will just not function at all or if it does you can't type anything into an edit field successfully. When doing so only part of what I am typing appears or something completely different shows. I am assuming that there is a conflict between the two at least on my system. In all other application they still work together as always. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Why Narrator will be better as a Screen Reader
Olusegun, There's nothing wrong with wishing. But it will never happen. The fact that FS has the Window-Eyes code is actually irrelevant. Windows screen readers are too deeply integrated into the core of the operating system. Window-Eyes is more like an extension to windows than a standard program. So, in practical terms, there's little more than its name that can be used to start at square one and write an Android screen reader. While even the most simplest cross-platform program works fine for the sighted mouse clicker they all cause problems to varying degrees for us. And there's no such thing as porting a program like Window-Eyes to another operating system. Secondly, Android is a mobile operating system. And like iOS it, relatively speaking, places enormous limitations on every developer in order to get the most out of the least. So we will never have a mobile screen reader with the power of Window-Eyes. It is an inherent limitation of mobile operating systems. The more broad and powerful features incorporated into a screen reader the greater its burden is on the operating system. This is why these operating systems place so many limitations on developers, i.e. they don't even possess a fraction of the programmatic options Windows offers. TalkBack and VoiceOver are both little more than the equivalent of Window-Eyes browse mode. And "mode" is the key word here. Every Windows screen reader is, at its core, two screen readers: one for browse mode and another for everything else. The demise of Window-Eyes pains me every day. While I thought it always the best screen reader on the market, it's implementation of scripting is the absolute gold standard. No other screen reader even begins to compare with it in that regard. It is virtually unlimited. But back to mobile operating systems. It's like trying to replace a dump-truck with a compact car. Perhaps one day, after a few major technological breakthroughs we'll get there. But right now the laws of physics are being very uncooperative. Unless your needs are fairly basic, I think trying to replace a full blown computer with a mobile device will be frustrating at best. I don't and never had had an Android device. But I fell prey to the iPad hype the last time I would have purchased a new laptop. For the most part, and I stress this is for my particular needs, it was a waste of money. Even though I bought the top of the line iPad pro and Apple's keyboard and case bundle, at the end of the day it's nothing more than an iPhone without the phone. These devices are so popular because the vast majority of users want to surf the web, use social media, email, listen to music and podcasts, and keep a grocery list. So they're perfectly satisfied. I hope Android works out better for you. Regards, Tom On 8/29/2018 8:01 AM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk wrote: Dennis, I didn't say Window-Eyes is COMING to Android! Nonetheless, it is a wish and wishes have never been horses as there are far too many beggars ready to get on for the jolly ride. I am most certainly proud to be one of such beggars! If Window-Eyes for Android ever becomes a reality, then what? Nothing wrong with a wish, and you don't need to be overtly condescending if a wish does not align with your thought processes. Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tom.kingston%40charter.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: A reason Why Narrator will be better as a Screen Reader
Right now it will only be available in the fall upgrade of Windows 10 or you can get it now if you are an insider. - Original Message - From: geodom--- via Talk To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: geo...@optonline.net Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 9:38 AM Subject: Re: A reason Why Narrator will be better as a Screen Reader But you can only get the new narrator if you are using windows ten, am I right? Pam. -Original Message- From: Loy Green via Talk Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 10:54 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Loy Green Subject: Re: A reason Why Narrator will be better as a Screen Reader I am glad that Doug Geoffray is now with Microsoft. Window Eyes used more of the Windows key commands, than does JAWS. As a long time user of Window Eyes, I have found JAWS much harder to learn. I have looked over the new key commands that will be coming with the next release of Narrator and they are more logical and use more standard windows keys commands.Looking forward to try the new narrator. - Original Message - From: George Savory via Talk To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: George Savory Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 8:22 PM Subject: A reason Why Narrator will be better as a Screen Reader On 8/27/18, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote: > But sometimes it's true. So many key commands we associate with WE or > Jaws (or an e-mail client for that matter) are actually Microsoft commands. > > On 8/27/2018 5:41 PM, geodom--- via Talk wrote: >> Whatever company you call blames the other guy, rather than themselves >> or their products. Pam. >> >> -Original Message- From: Tony C via Talk >> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 10:46 AM >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Cc: Tony C >> Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver >> >> Yep! They always blame it on anything except jaws. lmao. >> >> -Original Message- From: geodom--- via Talk >> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 9:09 AM >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Cc: geo...@optonline.net >> Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver >> >> Oh yeah! So Microsoft can ping pong it back to them! Right! Pam. >> >> -Original Message- From: Tony C via Talk >> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 7:15 PM >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Cc: Tony C >> Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver >> >> Jaws still isn't that great. lol. If I set jaws to load at the log on >> screen, and the PC goes to sleep, when I wake it up jaws will not speak. >> I >> have to hope and cross my fingers and try logging in. then I can start >> window eyes because jaws still will not run. Once I start WE then I can >> turn >> it off and start jaws and it speaks. I left jaws back in 2004 because it >> didn't work well with a site builder I ws using and WE worked just fine. >> I >> have never had a productive encounter with FS tech support. 95 percent of >> the time they tell you to contact Microsoft. LIKE, WHAT? >> >> -Original Message- From: geodom--- via Talk >> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 2:34 PM >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Cc: geo...@optonline.net >> Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver >> >> But I could do more with window eyes with the computer right out of the >> box. >> Pam. >> >> -Original Message- From: Dennis Long via Talk >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 11:31 PM >> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >> Cc: Dennis Long >> Subject: RE: Considering VoiceOver >> >> Jaws is a very good screen reader. People need to give it time. You >> didn't >> learn WindowEyes over night and you won't learn Jaws over night either. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] >> On Behalf Of CJ MAY via Talk >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 4:12 AM >> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >> Cc: CJ MAY >> Subject: RE: Considering VoiceOver >> >> I did consider going down this route but I am basically lazy and it would >> mean learning a new operating system. I am so familiar with the Microsoft >> operating system and Windows that in the end I bit the bullet and went >> over >> to Jaws. >> Do I still miss Window-eyes? Yes, but migrating to Jaws hasn't been as >> challenging as I feared and it helped being so familiar with the Windows >> operating system. >> >> Alison >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk On >> Behalf Of George Savory via Talk >> Sent: 23 August 2018 18:57 >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Cc: George Savory >> Subject: Considering VoiceOver >> >> Listers, >> Been using Win-Eyes
Re: A reason Why Narrator will be better as a Screen Reader
But you can only get the new narrator if you are using windows ten, am I right? Pam. -Original Message- From: Loy Green via Talk Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 10:54 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Loy Green Subject: Re: A reason Why Narrator will be better as a Screen Reader I am glad that Doug Geoffray is now with Microsoft. Window Eyes used more of the Windows key commands, than does JAWS. As a long time user of Window Eyes, I have found JAWS much harder to learn. I have looked over the new key commands that will be coming with the next release of Narrator and they are more logical and use more standard windows keys commands.Looking forward to try the new narrator. - Original Message - From: George Savory via Talk To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: George Savory Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 8:22 PM Subject: A reason Why Narrator will be better as a Screen Reader On 8/27/18, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote: > But sometimes it's true. So many key commands we associate with WE or > Jaws (or an e-mail client for that matter) are actually Microsoft commands. > > On 8/27/2018 5:41 PM, geodom--- via Talk wrote: >> Whatever company you call blames the other guy, rather than themselves >> or their products. Pam. >> >> -Original Message- From: Tony C via Talk >> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 10:46 AM >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Cc: Tony C >> Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver >> >> Yep! They always blame it on anything except jaws. lmao. >> >> -Original Message- From: geodom--- via Talk >> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 9:09 AM >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Cc: geo...@optonline.net >> Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver >> >> Oh yeah! So Microsoft can ping pong it back to them! Right! Pam. >> >> -Original Message- From: Tony C via Talk >> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 7:15 PM >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Cc: Tony C >> Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver >> >> Jaws still isn't that great. lol. If I set jaws to load at the log on >> screen, and the PC goes to sleep, when I wake it up jaws will not speak. >> I >> have to hope and cross my fingers and try logging in. then I can start >> window eyes because jaws still will not run. Once I start WE then I can >> turn >> it off and start jaws and it speaks. I left jaws back in 2004 because it >> didn't work well with a site builder I ws using and WE worked just fine. >> I >> have never had a productive encounter with FS tech support. 95 percent of >> the time they tell you to contact Microsoft. LIKE, WHAT? >> >> -Original Message- From: geodom--- via Talk >> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 2:34 PM >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Cc: geo...@optonline.net >> Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver >> >> But I could do more with window eyes with the computer right out of the >> box. >> Pam. >> >> -Original Message- From: Dennis Long via Talk >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 11:31 PM >> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >> Cc: Dennis Long >> Subject: RE: Considering VoiceOver >> >> Jaws is a very good screen reader. People need to give it time. You >> didn't >> learn WindowEyes over night and you won't learn Jaws over night either. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] >> On Behalf Of CJ MAY via Talk >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 4:12 AM >> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >> Cc: CJ MAY >> Subject: RE: Considering VoiceOver >> >> I did consider going down this route but I am basically lazy and it would >> mean learning a new operating system. I am so familiar with the Microsoft >> operating system and Windows that in the end I bit the bullet and went >> over >> to Jaws. >> Do I still miss Window-eyes? Yes, but migrating to Jaws hasn't been as >> challenging as I feared and it helped being so familiar with the Windows >> operating system. >> >> Alison >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk On >> Behalf Of George Savory via Talk >> Sent: 23 August 2018 18:57 >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Cc: George Savory >> Subject: Considering VoiceOver >> >> Listers, >> Been using Win-Eyes since Win-Eyes 3X. As Win-Eyes will not be updated, >> I >> am strongly considering going to VoiceOver on Apple. Using VoiceOver on >> my >> iPhone with Safari works perfectly. I don't know if Jaws will ever work >> well >> with websites that use calenders; besides, I won't have to be upgrading a >> screen reader everytime there is an upgrade >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author >> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/chrisalismay%4 >> >> >>
RE: Why Narrator will be better as a Screen Reader
Dennis, I didn't say Window-Eyes is COMING to Android! Nonetheless, it is a wish and wishes have never been horses as there are far too many beggars ready to get on for the jolly ride. I am most certainly proud to be one of such beggars! If Window-Eyes for Android ever becomes a reality, then what? Nothing wrong with a wish, and you don't need to be overtly condescending if a wish does not align with your thought processes. Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Why Narrator will be better as a Screen Reader
Windoweyes will never come to Android. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 9:14 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. Subject: RE: Why Narrator will be better as a Screen Reader Doug a Senior Program Manager at Microsoft? Wow, how I wish he had gone over to Google! Surely, he could help make Talkback another knock out! I look forward to the day when, somehow, Window-Eyes can become another TTS of choice on the Android platform. You know, Window-Eyes for Android? Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40 gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Why Narrator will be better as a Screen Reader
Dream on WindowEyes will never come to android -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 10:36 PM To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Sky Mundell Subject: RE: Why Narrator will be better as a Screen Reader Hello. I would agree, except for now, VFO has the source code for it. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 6:14 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. Subject: RE: Why Narrator will be better as a Screen Reader Doug a Senior Program Manager at Microsoft? Wow, how I wish he had gone over to Google! Surely, he could help make Talkback another knock out! I look forward to the day when, somehow, Window-Eyes can become another TTS of choice on the Android platform. You know, Window-Eyes for Android? Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40shaw.ca . For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40 gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: A reason Why Narrator will be better as a Screen Reader
Hi, That's the best news. Jaws just straight up sucks. When I have WE running and my pc goes to sleep, it wakes and WE begins speaking at the password screen. Jaws will not, in fact after logging in jaws will not speak at alll until after I either start WE and the turn of WE and restart Jaws, or restart my pc. Jaws isn't any better than it was back in 2004 when I quit using it nd started using WE.a -Original Message- From: Loy Green via Talk Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 9:54 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Loy Green Subject: Re: A reason Why Narrator will be better as a Screen Reader I am glad that Doug Geoffray is now with Microsoft. Window Eyes used more of the Windows key commands, than does JAWS. As a long time user of Window Eyes, I have found JAWS much harder to learn. I have looked over the new key commands that will be coming with the next release of Narrator and they are more logical and use more standard windows keys commands.Looking forward to try the new narrator. - Original Message - From: George Savory via Talk To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: George Savory Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 8:22 PM Subject: A reason Why Narrator will be better as a Screen Reader On 8/27/18, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote: > But sometimes it's true. So many key commands we associate with WE or > Jaws (or an e-mail client for that matter) are actually Microsoft commands. > > On 8/27/2018 5:41 PM, geodom--- via Talk wrote: >> Whatever company you call blames the other guy, rather than themselves >> or their products. Pam. >> >> -Original Message- From: Tony C via Talk >> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 10:46 AM >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Cc: Tony C >> Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver >> >> Yep! They always blame it on anything except jaws. lmao. >> >> -Original Message- From: geodom--- via Talk >> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 9:09 AM >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Cc: geo...@optonline.net >> Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver >> >> Oh yeah! So Microsoft can ping pong it back to them! Right! Pam. >> >> -Original Message- From: Tony C via Talk >> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 7:15 PM >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Cc: Tony C >> Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver >> >> Jaws still isn't that great. lol. If I set jaws to load at the log on >> screen, and the PC goes to sleep, when I wake it up jaws will not speak. >> I >> have to hope and cross my fingers and try logging in. then I can start >> window eyes because jaws still will not run. Once I start WE then I can >> turn >> it off and start jaws and it speaks. I left jaws back in 2004 because it >> didn't work well with a site builder I ws using and WE worked just fine. >> I >> have never had a productive encounter with FS tech support. 95 percent of >> the time they tell you to contact Microsoft. LIKE, WHAT? >> >> -Original Message- From: geodom--- via Talk >> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 2:34 PM >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Cc: geo...@optonline.net >> Subject: Re: Considering VoiceOver >> >> But I could do more with window eyes with the computer right out of the >> box. >> Pam. >> >> -Original Message- From: Dennis Long via Talk >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 11:31 PM >> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >> Cc: Dennis Long >> Subject: RE: Considering VoiceOver >> >> Jaws is a very good screen reader. People need to give it time. You >> didn't >> learn WindowEyes over night and you won't learn Jaws over night either. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] >> On Behalf Of CJ MAY via Talk >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 4:12 AM >> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >> Cc: CJ MAY >> Subject: RE: Considering VoiceOver >> >> I did consider going down this route but I am basically lazy and it would >> mean learning a new operating system. I am so familiar with the Microsoft >> operating system and Windows that in the end I bit the bullet and went >> over >> to Jaws. >> Do I still miss Window-eyes? Yes, but migrating to Jaws hasn't been as >> challenging as I feared and it helped being so familiar with the Windows >> operating system. >> >> Alison >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk On >> Behalf Of George Savory via Talk >> Sent: 23 August 2018 18:57 >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Cc: George Savory >> Subject: Considering VoiceOver >> >> Listers, >> Been using Win-Eyes since Win-Eyes 3X. As Win-Eyes will not be updated, >> I >> am strongly considering going to VoiceOver on Apple. Using VoiceOver on >> my >> iPhone with Safari works perfectly. I don't know if Jaws will ever work >> well >> with websites that use calenders; besides, I won't have to be upgrading a >> screen reader everytime there is an upgrade >>
