Re: Roll-up Keyboards

2020-01-07 Thread Robert Ringwald via Talk
I did not see a name on this. But, thanks for your very comprehensive 
review.


Best, Bob Ringwald


-Original Message- 
From: David via Talk

Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 9:47 PM
To: WE English Mailinglist
Cc: David
Subject: Roll-up Keyboards

Roll-Up, or Folding Keyboards...
It's been a few years, since I owned one. So please take the following
for whatever it is worth. Also, be notified, that the opinions presented
here, are mine and might not be fully representative for everyone.
Still, I will spend a few of your minutes, walking you through a few
considerations in the matter of this kind of keyboards.

Design: and Construction
First of all, let's get it all straight:
The keyboard is made up of silicone, a versatile and flexible material.
The construction is completely sealed, meaning that the keyboards are
dust and spil proof. Should it ever get dirty, you literally can wash
the whole thing under the faucet in your kitchen. Upon wash, simply hang
it over a rod or something similar, and let it dry for a short while. It
even is claimed to be alcohol proof, though I have not tested that feature.

Have you ever seen the baking mats in silicone? Ever touched one of the
thicker ones? These keyboards are based on a mat - not that much thicker
than a silicone baking mat. let's estimate the thickness of the base of
the keyboard, something like 1 1/2 bank card. Now imagine, that you
place some keys on top of this silicone base, and you are pretty close
to the final outlook of the product.

each key, would be approximately the size of a four-knobbed lego brick;
both in square, and in hight. And, take the knobs off the lego brick,
you will get just about the shape of each key as well. They are straight
cut square. Place these keys on your silicone mat, spaced about tenth of
an inch apart. Remember, all the bricks are cast in silicone. Inside
each (brick) key, is a tiny mechanical switch.

To the touch, the whole keyboard unit, is a bit sticky; like all
silicone products. Your fingers sure won't slip, as you type. Some might
find the whole texture a bit uncomfortable, and it sure does take a
little to get used to.

In one end, you will find the unit has what appears like a rectangular
box - something like 1.5 or 2 inches in width , running down the whole
side of the keyboard. Inside this "box", is where all the electronics of
the unit is located. In the rear end of the "box", you will find the USB
cable, which is used for connecting to the computer. It is a fixed
cable, and once broken, the whole unit is merely for the trash bin.


Reason why they are called Roll-Up, or Folding keyboards, is because you
litterally can roll them up, starting from one end. All rolled, the
keyboard would be the size of two pocketbooks, stacked on top of each
other. Being manufactured from cast silicone, the unit does not weigh
much more than a modern cellphone. All-in-all a quite portable version
of a keyboard.


For your records, the keyboards comes in several sizes and versions. You
would find units holding like 85-keys, comparing to the one you
typically would see on your laptop. And you will find units, holding
102, or 105 keys, comparing to the standard keyboard you are familiar
with on a desktop computer. Well, and then you can get separate numeric
keypads, also in this roll-up flavor. Size is not much different from
what you are used to, except from the extra space needed for the
electronics "box" mentioned earlier.

Typing Comfort
The whole keyboard is a bit flimpsy. Being manufactured for roll-up,
there is no built-in stiffening support in the unit. Putting it on your
lap, attempting to type something, simply will not work. Pressing a key,
the unit just will bend. This all mean, that you want to have a firm
surface - like a desk - for placing your keyboard onto, whenever you
want to operate your computer. If you planned for using the roll-up
keyboard on the bus, train or airplane, you at least will need to have
some kind of table of a certain firmness, for your operation.

The keypressing, is rather firm. It really takes some effort to perform.
Not too much to be wondered, when you give it a bit of a thought. Look
at your standard keyboard. Each key is a separate unit, travelling
freely up and down; totally independently from the others. On the
roll-up models, each silicone key (brick), is molded as part of the
whole unit. The keys do not travel. You press on the key, almost like
you would press the bubbles on bubble plastics, that you know from
shipping materials. Pressing on the key, you therefore will have to
force the silicone of the brick to bend, enough to activate the tiny
switch inside. Typing for prolonged time on this kind of units, might be
a challenge. If you are used to old manual typewriters, you will
remember how hard you had to knock the keys. Have you never used
anything but modern soft-operated keyboards, you will likely find the
roll-up models rather heavily worked. I doubt anyone could keep up 

Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes

2020-01-07 Thread Curtis Delzer via Talk
Well, jfw, for many years has issues with it's keyboard driver where 
either the control or alt key gets stuck down, and then becomes a 
combined keystroke for subsequent keys. The only way to fix it is to tap 
on the "so-called) "stuck down" key many times and hopefully it'll 
release. This behavior goes way back in time to JFW 5.0, or at least the 
first JFW which supported windows XP or maybe even earlier.


Curtis Delzer
HS
K 6 V F O
Rialto, CA

cur...@calweb.com

On 1/7/2020 7:15 AM, David via Talk wrote:

That's right. And just to clarify any misunderstandings. In my initial
message I was not sure exactly what term to use for the behavior I
described. Probably I chose a less clear term, since it was
misinterpretted to mean the feature of Windows, named sticky keys. That
one, is a "wanted" feature, something you deliberately will have the
chance of turning on. And something that you will activate by either
holding down the right shift for a few seconds, or pressing it
repeatedly three times within a limited period of time.


What I was describing, is when things get stuck without you wanting,
initiating or intending it to. Another thing is that the Sticky Key
function in Windows, will only work for one keystroke at a time. When
you turn it on, you will have to press say the shift-key, then a
character, to have that one capitalized. Next time you want a
capitalized character, you first have to touch the shift-key. You have
to repeat that procedure for every keystroke you want with any modifying
key.


Again, the issue I was talking about, is when you do press no
key-modifier, and still they stick or hang. Meaning that every key you
press, will be interpretted as if you had pressed it along with a
key-modifier. May it happen, that a better term for that is

      Hanging Keys.


Sorry for whatever misunderstanding I caused.


David

On 1/7/2020 3:39 PM, Loy Green via Talk wrote:

to turn off sticky keys type sticky keys in the search box and in
settings you can unchecked use shortcut key to use sticky keys.
- Original Message - From: "madl--- via Talk"

To: "'Window-Eyes Discussion List'" 
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 9:24 AM
Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes



Hello,
It seem to be many Jaws user having the same problem.  It is possible
that
is problem cause by Jaws.  I  am not sure how to make them aware of the
issue.  Couple week ago I  was able to demonstrate the problem to one
of the
tech support but, he simply ignored that, blame it the keyboard.
Anyone has any Idea?
Thanks

P.S.
I  don't think we all have sticky keyboard issue.
Moe

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf
Of Amanda Lee via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 1:26 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Amanda Lee 
Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes

I've experienced this issue in JAWS as well and have had to kill WE
or JAWS
from the task manager.  Sometimes Outlook hangs too and seems to
create this
issue.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
 On
Behalf
Of madl--- via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 12:26 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: m...@comcast.net
Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes

Hello,
I  have a  new keyboard which I  purchased two weeks ago and I
thought this
will solve my problem.  In my case I  don't think the keys are sticking
physically.  I  didn't have this problem until recent update from MS.
For
now, when I  have this issue, I  go to taskbar then to desktop. That
fixs
the problem for a  while .

Thanks

Moe

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf
Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 10:10 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Pamela Dominguez 
Subject: Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes

That is different.  "sticky keys", when it says that in windows, when
you
press a key more than once fast, is made so that people can type with
one
hand.  So that if they need to hit, say, control something, they can
hit the
control, and it will stay registered until you hit the key that goes
along
with it in order to do a certain function.  That doesn't have to do with
keys getting stuck.  Mine, though, is an actual key that gets stuck,
when I
least expect it.  It's the righthand shift key that gets stuck. Pam.

-Original Message-
From: madl--- via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 9:44 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: m...@comcast.net
Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes

Hello all,
I  am having the same issue with window key,ALT key , control key.  I
thought it is my keyboard.  I  got a  new one.  That didn't solve the
issue.
It something with MS window.  If you press shift key five times in
the row,
you will hear something like sticky key but, I  am not sure what I
need to
do to stop it. This function was added for people that don't have
ability to
type with both hands. Please let me know if anyone find a solution.
Thanks

Moe

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf
Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 

Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes

2020-01-07 Thread David via Talk
Interesting. I do have a version of Jaws here. Will keep it in mind, and 
next time the issue shows up under WinEyes, I will attempt to start 
Jaws, and see what that will do. If it - like you describe - continues 
under even that screen reader, then we at least have uprooted the blame 
on WinEyes itself.


That, in turn, would lead me to wonder if this whole thing could be due 
to some kind of activity going on between Windows itself, and screen 
readers in general. Well, glad to know that I am not on my own on this 
issue. Kind of been considering if this could have been due to some 
malware. But even when my computer is newly scanned and cleaned, things 
like this could happen. It even seems it happens more frequently when in 
browse mode, but maybe that is just because I end up doing quite a 
portion of computing right there.


Thanks for all feedback.


David

On 1/7/2020 3:24 PM, madl--- via Talk wrote:
> Hello,
> It seem to be many Jaws user having the same problem.  It is possible that
> is problem cause by Jaws.  I  am not sure how to make them aware of the
> issue.  Couple week ago I  was able to demonstrate the problem to one of the
> tech support but, he simply ignored that, blame it the keyboard.
> Anyone has any Idea?
> Thanks
>
> P.S.
> I  don't think we all have sticky keyboard issue.
> Moe
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk  On Behalf
> Of Amanda Lee via Talk
> Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 1:26 PM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
> Cc: Amanda Lee 
> Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes
>
> I've experienced this issue in JAWS as well and have had to kill WE or JAWS
> from the task manager.  Sometimes Outlook hangs too and seems to create this
> issue.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
>  On Behalf
> Of madl--- via Talk
> Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 12:26 PM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
> Cc: m...@comcast.net
> Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes
>
> Hello,
> I  have a  new keyboard which I  purchased two weeks ago and I  thought this
> will solve my problem.  In my case I  don't think the keys are sticking
> physically.  I  didn't have this problem until recent update from MS. For
> now, when I  have this issue, I  go to taskbar then to desktop.  That fixs
> the problem for a  while .
>
> Thanks
>
> Moe
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk  On Behalf
> Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
> Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 10:10 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Cc: Pamela Dominguez 
> Subject: Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes
>
> That is different.  "sticky keys", when it says that in windows, when you
> press a key more than once fast, is made so that people can type with one
> hand.  So that if they need to hit, say, control something, they can hit the
> control, and it will stay registered until you hit the key that goes along
> with it in order to do a certain function.  That doesn't have to do with
> keys getting stuck.  Mine, though, is an actual key that gets stuck, when I
> least expect it.  It's the righthand shift key that gets stuck.  Pam.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: madl--- via Talk
> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 9:44 AM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Cc: m...@comcast.net
> Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes
>
> Hello all,
> I  am having the same issue with window key,ALT key , control key.  I
> thought it is my keyboard.  I  got a  new one.  That didn't solve the issue.
> It something with MS window.  If you press shift key five times in the row,
> you will hear something like sticky key but, I  am not sure what I  need to
> do to stop it. This function was added for people that don't have ability to
> type with both hands. Please let me know if anyone find a  solution.
> Thanks
>
> Moe
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk  On Behalf
> Of Butch Bussen via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 11:57 PM
> To: David via Talk 
> Cc: Butch Bussen ; WE English Mailinglist
> 
> Subject: Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes
>
> I have had theis problem once in a while for years.  Something strange in
> wineyes.  Sometimes reloading a different set file will solve the problem.
> Often as you said, just restarting wineyes solves the problem.
>I've never found a way to make it happen, some times it just does.
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
> Node 3148
> Wallace, ks.
>
>
> On
> Mon, 6 Jan 2020, David via Talk wrote:
>
>> Have suspected this for a little while, and now I am pretty sure. Do
>> not know the fix, neither the reason why things happen.
>>
>> It is a known fact, that sometimes a key could get mechanically stuck
>> in its pressed position. The Shift, Alt and Ctrl keys are specially
>> vulnerable to this kind of behavior. This of course, do cause a load
>> of strange things to happen. You type an F, and up comes the File-menu
>> of the software; since the computer registers the keystroke as an
>> Alt-F. It is all due to dirt and grease, getting into your keyboard
>> over
> time.
>> Even small objects - like tiny screws or the 

Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes

2020-01-07 Thread David via Talk
That's right. And just to clarify any misunderstandings. In my initial 
message I was not sure exactly what term to use for the behavior I 
described. Probably I chose a less clear term, since it was 
misinterpretted to mean the feature of Windows, named sticky keys. That 
one, is a "wanted" feature, something you deliberately will have the 
chance of turning on. And something that you will activate by either 
holding down the right shift for a few seconds, or pressing it 
repeatedly three times within a limited period of time.


What I was describing, is when things get stuck without you wanting, 
initiating or intending it to. Another thing is that the Sticky Key 
function in Windows, will only work for one keystroke at a time. When 
you turn it on, you will have to press say the shift-key, then a 
character, to have that one capitalized. Next time you want a 
capitalized character, you first have to touch the shift-key. You have 
to repeat that procedure for every keystroke you want with any modifying 
key.


Again, the issue I was talking about, is when you do press no 
key-modifier, and still they stick or hang. Meaning that every key you 
press, will be interpretted as if you had pressed it along with a 
key-modifier. May it happen, that a better term for that is

     Hanging Keys.


Sorry for whatever misunderstanding I caused.


David

On 1/7/2020 3:39 PM, Loy Green via Talk wrote:
> to turn off sticky keys type sticky keys in the search box and in 
> settings you can unchecked use shortcut key to use sticky keys.
> - Original Message - From: "madl--- via Talk" 
> 
> To: "'Window-Eyes Discussion List'" 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 9:24 AM
> Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes
>
>
>> Hello,
>> It seem to be many Jaws user having the same problem.  It is possible 
>> that
>> is problem cause by Jaws.  I  am not sure how to make them aware of the
>> issue.  Couple week ago I  was able to demonstrate the problem to one 
>> of the
>> tech support but, he simply ignored that, blame it the keyboard.
>> Anyone has any Idea?
>> Thanks
>>
>> P.S.
>> I  don't think we all have sticky keyboard issue.
>> Moe
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk  On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Amanda Lee via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 1:26 PM
>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
>> Cc: Amanda Lee 
>> Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes
>>
>> I've experienced this issue in JAWS as well and have had to kill WE 
>> or JAWS
>> from the task manager.  Sometimes Outlook hangs too and seems to 
>> create this
>> issue.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>>  On 
>> Behalf
>> Of madl--- via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 12:26 PM
>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
>> Cc: m...@comcast.net
>> Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes
>>
>> Hello,
>> I  have a  new keyboard which I  purchased two weeks ago and I 
>> thought this
>> will solve my problem.  In my case I  don't think the keys are sticking
>> physically.  I  didn't have this problem until recent update from MS. 
>> For
>> now, when I  have this issue, I  go to taskbar then to desktop. That 
>> fixs
>> the problem for a  while .
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Moe
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk  On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 10:10 AM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Pamela Dominguez 
>> Subject: Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes
>>
>> That is different.  "sticky keys", when it says that in windows, when 
>> you
>> press a key more than once fast, is made so that people can type with 
>> one
>> hand.  So that if they need to hit, say, control something, they can 
>> hit the
>> control, and it will stay registered until you hit the key that goes 
>> along
>> with it in order to do a certain function.  That doesn't have to do with
>> keys getting stuck.  Mine, though, is an actual key that gets stuck, 
>> when I
>> least expect it.  It's the righthand shift key that gets stuck. Pam.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: madl--- via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 9:44 AM
>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>> Cc: m...@comcast.net
>> Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes
>>
>> Hello all,
>> I  am having the same issue with window key,ALT key , control key.  I
>> thought it is my keyboard.  I  got a  new one.  That didn't solve the 
>> issue.
>> It something with MS window.  If you press shift key five times in 
>> the row,
>> you will hear something like sticky key but, I  am not sure what I  
>> need to
>> do to stop it. This function was added for people that don't have 
>> ability to
>> type with both hands. Please let me know if anyone find a solution.
>> Thanks
>>
>> Moe
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk  On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Butch Bussen via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 11:57 PM
>> To: David via Talk 
>> Cc: Butch Bussen ; WE English Mailinglist
>> 
>> Subject: Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes
>>
>> I have had theis problem once in a 

Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes

2020-01-07 Thread Loy Green via Talk
to turn off sticky keys type sticky keys in the search box and in settings 
you can unchecked use shortcut key to use sticky keys.
- Original Message - 
From: "madl--- via Talk" 

To: "'Window-Eyes Discussion List'" 
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 9:24 AM
Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes



Hello,
It seem to be many Jaws user having the same problem.  It is possible that
is problem cause by Jaws.  I  am not sure how to make them aware of the
issue.  Couple week ago I  was able to demonstrate the problem to one of 
the

tech support but, he simply ignored that, blame it the keyboard.
Anyone has any Idea?
Thanks

P.S.
I  don't think we all have sticky keyboard issue.
Moe

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf
Of Amanda Lee via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 1:26 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Amanda Lee 
Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes

I've experienced this issue in JAWS as well and have had to kill WE or 
JAWS
from the task manager.  Sometimes Outlook hangs too and seems to create 
this

issue.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
 On 
Behalf

Of madl--- via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 12:26 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: m...@comcast.net
Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes

Hello,
I  have a  new keyboard which I  purchased two weeks ago and I  thought 
this

will solve my problem.  In my case I  don't think the keys are sticking
physically.  I  didn't have this problem until recent update from MS. For
now, when I  have this issue, I  go to taskbar then to desktop.  That fixs
the problem for a  while .

Thanks

Moe

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf
Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 10:10 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Pamela Dominguez 
Subject: Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes

That is different.  "sticky keys", when it says that in windows, when you
press a key more than once fast, is made so that people can type with one
hand.  So that if they need to hit, say, control something, they can hit 
the

control, and it will stay registered until you hit the key that goes along
with it in order to do a certain function.  That doesn't have to do with
keys getting stuck.  Mine, though, is an actual key that gets stuck, when 
I

least expect it.  It's the righthand shift key that gets stuck.  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: madl--- via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 9:44 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: m...@comcast.net
Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes

Hello all,
I  am having the same issue with window key,ALT key , control key.  I
thought it is my keyboard.  I  got a  new one.  That didn't solve the 
issue.
It something with MS window.  If you press shift key five times in the 
row,
you will hear something like sticky key but, I  am not sure what I  need 
to
do to stop it. This function was added for people that don't have ability 
to

type with both hands. Please let me know if anyone find a  solution.
Thanks

Moe

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf
Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 11:57 PM
To: David via Talk 
Cc: Butch Bussen ; WE English Mailinglist

Subject: Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes

I have had theis problem once in a while for years.  Something strange in
wineyes.  Sometimes reloading a different set file will solve the problem.
Often as you said, just restarting wineyes solves the problem.
 I've never found a way to make it happen, some times it just does.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On
Mon, 6 Jan 2020, David via Talk wrote:


Have suspected this for a little while, and now I am pretty sure. Do
not know the fix, neither the reason why things happen.

It is a known fact, that sometimes a key could get mechanically stuck
in its pressed position. The Shift, Alt and Ctrl keys are specially
vulnerable to this kind of behavior. This of course, do cause a load
of strange things to happen. You type an F, and up comes the File-menu
of the software; since the computer registers the keystroke as an
Alt-F. It is all due to dirt and grease, getting into your keyboard
over

time.

Even small objects - like tiny screws or the like, that might have
fallen down on your keyboard at any time, might have got underneath
your key-caps and eventually causes funny things like this.

The remedy for all of this behavior, is to press your Alt,Ctrl and
Shift keys several times. Usually that will release whatever has got

stuck.


But once in a while, I have had things getting stuck, and no
solution.The big remedy then, has been to restart the computer.
Apparently, this has been due to some issue more of the software-based
kind. It just has been to determine what software could cause the
situation. Like I stated initially, I do not have the final answer.
Yet, for several weeks, I suspected WinEyes to play a role. When the
sticky thing comes around, I will typically experience the Ctrl key
being stuck. Everything I try to do, is performed as if 

RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes

2020-01-07 Thread madl--- via Talk
Hello,
It seem to be many Jaws user having the same problem.  It is possible that
is problem cause by Jaws.  I  am not sure how to make them aware of the
issue.  Couple week ago I  was able to demonstrate the problem to one of the
tech support but, he simply ignored that, blame it the keyboard.
Anyone has any Idea? 
Thanks

P.S.
I  don't think we all have sticky keyboard issue.
Moe  

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf
Of Amanda Lee via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 1:26 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Amanda Lee 
Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes

I've experienced this issue in JAWS as well and have had to kill WE or JAWS
from the task manager.  Sometimes Outlook hangs too and seems to create this
issue.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
 On Behalf
Of madl--- via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 12:26 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: m...@comcast.net
Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes

Hello,
I  have a  new keyboard which I  purchased two weeks ago and I  thought this
will solve my problem.  In my case I  don't think the keys are sticking
physically.  I  didn't have this problem until recent update from MS. For
now, when I  have this issue, I  go to taskbar then to desktop.  That fixs
the problem for a  while .  

Thanks

Moe  

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf
Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 10:10 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Pamela Dominguez 
Subject: Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes

That is different.  "sticky keys", when it says that in windows, when you
press a key more than once fast, is made so that people can type with one
hand.  So that if they need to hit, say, control something, they can hit the
control, and it will stay registered until you hit the key that goes along
with it in order to do a certain function.  That doesn't have to do with
keys getting stuck.  Mine, though, is an actual key that gets stuck, when I
least expect it.  It's the righthand shift key that gets stuck.  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: madl--- via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 9:44 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: m...@comcast.net
Subject: RE: Key Sticking in WinEyes

Hello all,
I  am having the same issue with window key,ALT key , control key.  I
thought it is my keyboard.  I  got a  new one.  That didn't solve the issue.
It something with MS window.  If you press shift key five times in the row,
you will hear something like sticky key but, I  am not sure what I  need to
do to stop it. This function was added for people that don't have ability to
type with both hands. Please let me know if anyone find a  solution.
Thanks

Moe

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On Behalf
Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 11:57 PM
To: David via Talk 
Cc: Butch Bussen ; WE English Mailinglist

Subject: Re: Key Sticking in WinEyes

I have had theis problem once in a while for years.  Something strange in
wineyes.  Sometimes reloading a different set file will solve the problem.
Often as you said, just restarting wineyes solves the problem.
  I've never found a way to make it happen, some times it just does.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On
Mon, 6 Jan 2020, David via Talk wrote:

> Have suspected this for a little while, and now I am pretty sure. Do 
> not know the fix, neither the reason why things happen.
>
> It is a known fact, that sometimes a key could get mechanically stuck 
> in its pressed position. The Shift, Alt and Ctrl keys are specially 
> vulnerable to this kind of behavior. This of course, do cause a load 
> of strange things to happen. You type an F, and up comes the File-menu 
> of the software; since the computer registers the keystroke as an 
> Alt-F. It is all due to dirt and grease, getting into your keyboard 
> over
time.
> Even small objects - like tiny screws or the like, that might have 
> fallen down on your keyboard at any time, might have got underneath 
> your key-caps and eventually causes funny things like this.
>
> The remedy for all of this behavior, is to press your Alt,Ctrl and 
> Shift keys several times. Usually that will release whatever has got
stuck.
>
> But once in a while, I have had things getting stuck, and no 
> solution.The big remedy then, has been to restart the computer.
> Apparently, this has been due to some issue more of the software-based 
> kind. It just has been to determine what software could cause the 
> situation. Like I stated initially, I do not have the final answer.
> Yet, for several weeks, I suspected WinEyes to play a role. When the 
> sticky thing comes around, I will typically experience the Ctrl key 
> being stuck. Everything I try to do, is performed as if I had kept my 
> Ctrl-key pressed. Funny thing is, if I open NVDA, the issue is gone.
> This morning, when the issue again took place, I decided to do a bit 
> of
testing.
>
> First I thought it could be due to an app in my screen reader's 
> collection. So when