RE: window-eyes users in the UK
I don't know what world you are living in but I am still getting support and updates. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+kube=netspace.net...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of michaeel's mail via Talk Sent: Tuesday, 16 May 2017 8:36 PM To: Ian Westerland ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: window-eyes users in the UK Hi Ian i am very annoyed as well. I thought the offer was for all current window eyes payed users. Now after playing the pod cast it is only for the US and Canada how unfair that is. Cos we live in Australia and payed good money for WE. Now we get nothing. Cheers Michael. -Original Message- From: Ian Westerland via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:56 PM To: Steve Nutt ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: window-eyes users in the UK They aren't doing anything here in Australia either. No support, no information, nothing at all. It appears that Window-Eyes hasn't been sold here in Australia since last September. More of the same and you know, if I was buying anything, even a home apliance and was getting the low level of Customer support FS has given, or VFO looks like giving, I simply wouldn't and won't entertain buying from them. Ian Westerland On 5/16/2017 7:04 PM, Steve Nutt via Talk wrote: > Hi Pete, > > Worse still, as a dealer of Window-Eyes I have also had absolutely no > contact. > > So to me, VFO haven't really changed the way Freedom used to do things, > they > are not supporting dealers or customers outside the UK very well at this > point. > > All the best > > Steve > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] > On Behalf Of pete gurney via Talk > Sent: 16 May 2017 09:22 > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: window-eyes users in the UK > > hi all, > > having just spoken to the main dealer of Jaws in the UK Sight and Sound > they > have confirmed that they have had no contact from VFO concerning any > migration offer for window-eyes users in the UK. > they have asked me to speak to them again next week to give them time to > try and find out what is happening, but as of this minute it appears as if > there is no offer for users over here and we could be left high and dry. > > pete. > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/steve%40compro > om.co.uk. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/iwesterl%40big pond.net.au. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/michaelandjean ie%40aapt.net.au. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/kube%40netspac e.net.au. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead.
This is getting really old and quite boring. All that is happening here is rampant speculation and scare mongering by a few people who either work for JAWS or have so little to do with their lives, they find this amusing. It looks like a full on campaign to undermine Window -Eyes with nothing in the way of evidence to support the conjectures. And FYI, developers age and retire. People move on to other jobs, get promoted and sometimes leave the industry altogether. It doesn't mean they can't be replaced by equally talented individuals. If you want to talk about rationality, don't make assertions unless you have proof to back it up. Sorry but comments like some unknown person said so in a forum or where particular links may or may not lead isn't evidence. Now if you have a press release or company statement, I'll be happy to listen further. Finally, it is quite telling that these rumours all come from the same few people. What does this suggest? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+kube=netspace.net...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Clark via Talk Sent: Saturday, 13 May 2017 3:46 AM To: Peter Duran via Talk Subject: Re: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead. Not only that, but go to the AI Squared web site and follow the links. That should also tell you something. Here's a little the majority of them link to the Freedom Scientific site. On 5/9/2017 8:59 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote: > Well, you are welcome to your personal delusions. Remember all the > folks at GW Micro who did the development work are gone, so who will carry on? > > Peter Duran > > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] > On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 6:38 PM > To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com > Subject: Until VFO says so, Window-eyes is not dead. > > If you're trying to get people to stop using > Window-eyes, you're probably in for a pretty good fight there. and > there has been no official announcement that Window-eyes is indeed dead. > people will still use it no matter what you say. > > > > On 5/9/2017 5:32 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote: >> Well, Window-Eyes is unfortunately definitely dead. It is irrational >> to presuppose that VFO will support two competing screen readers, >> with one a lot cheeper than the other. Sad to say, JAWS won and WE >> lost the screen-reader wars. >> >> Those of us with technical skills ought to help NVDA to improve over >> time > so >> we can keep up with Windows 10 advances. >> >> Peter Duran >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com >> ] On Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk >> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 5:11 PM >> To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! >> >> Can one be created? >> >> Vaughan. >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.co >> m] On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk >> Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 1:37 a.m. >> To: Darrell Bowles; Peter Duran; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! >> >> I just wished NVDA had a Window Eyes keyboard layout? >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Darrell Bowles via Talk >> Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 11:00 AM >> To: Peter Duran ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! >> >> I didn't say that window-eyes would survive. And didn't I already >> say > that >> JAWS, NVDA and narrator are left on the windows platform? >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On >> Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk >> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 1:58 PM >> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >> Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead! >> >> >> It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a >> fanticy instead of reality. There is absolutely no reason for >> Window-Eyes to continue and compete with JFW. Why would they do that? >> >> There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and >> VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work. >> >> I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around >> also believe that the health care bill that passed the House last >> week will > cover >> everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks >> without any health care. >> >> Peter Duran >> >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author >> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles > %40msn >> .com. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-windo
RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
What actual evidence exists for this rampant conjecture. I continue to get updates for both apps and WE. I also get reply's to support requests. What I see happening here, in the absence of any actual proof, is some people who either have too little to do or have established a deliberate campaign to undermine WE. I am happy to look at any actual evidence, if anyone can provide this, but until then I will continue to use WE and not get myself worked up about what may or may not happen in the future. So if there are press releases, communications from the company, or termination of service notices, please post them on the list so that we can make decisions about what to do next. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+kube=netspace.net...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Jim via Talk Sent: Sunday, 2 April 2017 2:21 AM To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes Correvtion, I talked to Dave about two seek ago so there is more than just one left. Jim On 01-Apr-17 11:59, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote: > Personally, I won't buy jaws. If WE becomes unuseable, I'll go to n v > d a. I've donated to them before and will do so again. How many of > us out there have unfulfilled s m a's? The longer they delay, the > longer they can put off refunding any money or giving us something. > Why on earth would they develop and sell two screen readers? Only one > still there from the gw days is Doug, and his hands are tied. I've > still got systems running xp and those run window-eyes just fine. I > think many of us forget to give GW credit for the fine work they did > over the years and their great customer support. I've had a few > dealings with Freedom in the past and my experience has been their > customer support was terrible. I forget what the thing was called, > but was a note taker with gps and all that. A friend gave me his old > one as the v a bought him a new one. He had let the batteries run > clear down, and the thing lost all of its marbles. I couldn't get any > help from freedom to get up and running again unless the original > purchaser contacted them, and the "original purchaser" didn't even > work for the v a any more. I finally threw a couple grand worth of > stuff in the dumpster. As the old 4 preps song went, "more money for > you and me." No jaws for me at any price. > > 73 > Butch > WA0VJR > Node 3148 > Wallace, ks. > > > On Sat, 1 Apr 2017, Loy via Talk wrote: > >> I agree, I depend on WE every day and I can't afford JAWS. It's been >> 9 months since the acquisition of AISquared and not one word from VFO >> about WE.They are not being honest with all the WE users by being >> silent. I will continue to use WE as long as Windows doesn't change >> where it will no longer work. >> - Original Message - >> From: Rod Hutton via Talk >> To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:58 AM >> Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes >> >> >> Hi Vaughan, >> >> I believe it is a matter of semantics. >> The phrase "not a going concern," to me, implies it is not relevant >> in my life on a daily basis. >> For me, this is not true, since I use it every day. >> Personally, I find this type of language discouraging since I, and >> many others on this this, depend on this screen reader for our >> livelihood and are continuing to use it. >> In addition, and, again, personally, I find this discussion tiresome >> and annoying. >> This is just my feeling. >> >> Respectfully, >> >> Rod >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On >> Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk >> Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 4:02 AM >> To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> >> Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes >> >> I think it will still be an option - but some of you are missing the >> point: it is no longer a practical option for many people. >> >> >> The evidence does not support on-going development. >> >> Evidence includes: bugs not fixed >> Loss of personnel who interacted with the users via this list and >> through other channels. >> The Fort Wayne office is not part of the VFO addresses for its offices. >> >> No news on the VFO site. >> The disestablishemngt of Zoomtext Fusion, in favour of a JFW interface. >> This list is not monitored by VFO. It VFO was paying attentiont it, >> some of the claims made by people like me would be challenged. >> >> >> So: no one is saying stop using your copy of Window-Eyes. All we >> are saying is that it is no longer a going concern. >> >> Vaughan. >> >> >> >> On 4/1/2017 8:52 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: >> > I agree I am of the same thought process until an announcement >> from someone > at VFO says there will be no more window eyes I will >> continue to think it's > a option
RE: WE serial number?
Thanks for that Don. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+kube=netspace.net...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Don H via Talk Sent: Thursday, 9 February 2017 1:05 AM To: Diana Kube ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: WE serial number? open the WE user interface with control backslash then go to the help tab and down to about. The serial is there and can be copied and pasted if desired. On 2/7/2017 11:21 PM, Diana Kube via Talk wrote: > Hi, > > I need my WE serial number and am unable to put my hands on the CD cover. > Does anyone know a way to retrieve it electronically? I seem to recall > having done this previously but can't remember how I did it. > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/kube%40n > etspac > e.net.au. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/lmddh50%40comc ast.net. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/kube%40netspac e.net.au. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: WE serial number?
Thanks. I knew there was a way to do it but just couldn't remember how. You saved me a lot of stuffing around. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+kube=netspace.net...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dave Basden via Talk Sent: Wednesday, 8 February 2017 4:35 PM To: Diana Kube ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: WE serial number? If you mean the Window-Eyes serial number, do the control-backslash to bring up the WE control panel, press HAlt- for Help,and press A for About. The serial number is listed there among other things. At 09:21 PM 2/7/2017, you wrote: >Hi, > >I need my WE serial number and am unable to put my hands on the CD cover. >Does anyone know a way to retrieve it electronically? I seem to recall >having done this previously but can't remember how I did it. >___ >Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > >For membership options, visit >http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/kube%40ne >tspac >e.net.au. >For subscription options, visit >http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >List archives can be found at >http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > >___ >Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > >For membership options, visit >http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dave%40basden .us. >For subscription options, visit >http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >List archives can be found at >http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/kube%40netspac e.net.au. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
WE serial number?
Hi, I need my WE serial number and am unable to put my hands on the CD cover. Does anyone know a way to retrieve it electronically? I seem to recall having done this previously but can't remember how I did it. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/kube%40netspac e.net.au. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Reminder: Helping Out On The List
Many thanks for your comments Dave. Having asked a simple question a year or so ago and receiving uninformative replies and personally directed derogatory comments from a person whom I have never met, I have hesitated to aske for other information, preferring to find out for myself, even if that means making a number of errors on the way. This has seemed a deal better than having to deal with non-relevant, abusive responses to what are reasonable requests for advice. Diana -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+kube=netspace.net...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of David via Talk Sent: Sunday, 18 December 2016 6:52 PM To: WE English Mailinglist Subject: Reminder: Helping Out On The List Listers, Every now and then, we see someone asking a polite question here, and then a load of more or less "useless" - sometimes nearly abrupt replies. Say a person asks "what is the better choice for an AntiVirus", and the reply goes something like: "BlahBlah is crabware". First of all, the reply was of absolutely no use to the person asking. Long as you did not tell WHY you think the software is of no use, has lacks of accessibility, or the customer service is minimal. Very likely, the person did ask, because they were wondering. Perhaps you are not all that eloquent, and you do not have the time to write 10 pages for an answer. But a few relevant points of information, on why you feel the way you do, would have made a far better education for the recipient. Further, the person likely did call for facts. Or, at least some experience. If they were asking for rumors - or running words - they would have gone anywhere else. Again, for the illustrative purpose, someone recently asked: "What is wrong with Jaws, compared with Win-Eyes?" One reply simply stated: "Because Jaws is crabware." I did not find that informative. Likely, neither did the person raising the question. Had the user specified a few things that would be wrong with the software asked for, it at least could have helped someone in their choice making. All I can read out of such a statement, is that the replier did have little self-obtained experience, and likely just have learned to repeat a running word. In general, I do see that, not only on this list, blind people always tend to think THEIR INDIVIDUAL choice of a product, is the ONE AND ONLY right thing. Sorry. There is no such. Could we please be respectful, and accept the fact that others might have numerous reasons for not making the same choice, or feel the same way about a product. If they did, why would they ask in the first place? Lastly, may I be allowed to bring out a polite request. The computer market is overflowing with different brands and models - software as well as hardware. And there exists a true jungle of dealers, manufacturers and other company names, in the same market. In addition, keep in mind please, that this list is International, meaning that what you will know locally, might be totally new info for the ones reading your message. Now, if you use "replacement names", or nicknames of more or less flattering characteristics, the reader might start to wonder if he has missed out on some important product. No matter if we like a brand name or not, independent of whether you agree in the product name or not - the manufacturer has decided to promote his product with ONE specific name. Did he name it Jaws, then its name is Jaws, and should be refered to as such in all messages. Is the company name FREEDOM whatever, it should not be changed to GREEDOM or anything else. Again, people out of other cultures and locations, might loose out on your point. They could for instance be aware to not buy "the shark", because you had warned against it; and still buy Jaws, since you did never mention that one. Besides, it is totally disrespectful to the manufacturer, to not honor the name they have chosen. You likely would not appreciate someone renaming you, in an attempt to bring dishonor to you as a person. Listers, I am open for the sharing of factual information. I do appreciate an informative, even short and concise answer to questions. Should you have personal opinions, please keep them to facts, and back them up with some realities, or experiences. Welcome to share all your experiences with a product or company, good or worse, but bring us some REAL stuff, please. If you do not have any other to say, than just putting out silly utterances, may I remind you: The list has quite an amount of traffic already. Please, do take this as a friendly wanting, from one of the list-members. Just find it devastating to read loads of messages, with people dashing one another, or any company or product they just happen to not enjoy for the moment. The ones subscribing to this list, are all enjoying Window-Eyes for their screen reader. But that does not dictate that everything else is out of question. Many users have found it beneficial to run more than on
RE: somewhat off topic--can i text someone's phone from my computer
There are a number of portals for sending texts from mobile phones. At work I use SMS Global. I am not sure of what costs (if any) are involved but it allows sending a text from a computer and receiving a return text from a mobile. If you obtain services through SMS Global, you simply enter the mobile phone num...@email.smsglobal.com. The only drawback sI have had are that the texts can only be 2-3 lines of an email screen in length and it may take somewhat longer for the reply to reach the sender. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+kube=netspace.net...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Ted Larson via Talk Sent: Thursday, 18 August 2016 11:36 AM To: 'Don H' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: somewhat off topic--can i text someone's phone from my computer Don: Thanks for your reply. Regards: Ted Larson -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ted.larson=yahoo@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Don H via Talk Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 7:45 PM To: Chris Skarstad; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: somewhat off topic--can i text someone's phone from my computer I send text messages from my computer all the time. Just google it and you can get the directions how to do it for the various carriers. On 8/17/2016 7:03 PM, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote: > I don't believe so. really, just get yourself a cheapo > phone and do it the easy way. you'll be much happier. > > > > On 8/17/2016 7:48 PM, Ted Larson via Talk wrote: >> Dear List: >> >> In the past, if I knew the domain of someone's cell phone, I could >> send a message to their phone. However, I usually do not know their domain. >> When >> anyone else texts from their phone to another phone, all they need is >> the ten-digit phone number. Is there a way for me to text from my >> computer to someone's phone with just their phone number? Thanks. >> Regards: Ted Larson >> >> >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rascal0826%40v erizon.net. >> >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/lmddh50%40comc ast.net. > > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/ted.larson%40y ahoo.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/kube%40netspac e.net.au. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: notifications for facebook
The email notifications are a value added service offered by facebook for customers who don't want to have to log into check their notifications and don't have smart phone access. If you don't wish to continue with the notifications You can unsubscribe at the bottom of the email or on your facebook account settings page. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+kube=netspace.net...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Jed Barton via Talk Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2015 6:04 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: notifications for facebook Hey guys, Has anyone been getting an email when people change their status on facebook? All of a sudden i seem to be getting emails whenever someone changes their status, and i didn't change anything. Any ideas? ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/kube%40netspac e.net.au. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Professional level robust Punctuation/grammar/proofing tools that work with Window-Eyes.
> the downtown district. > > I may be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure these elusive beasts you refer to > as "large manuscripts" predate the computer and the all knowing program. > > But I sincerely hope you find the magic program you're looking for. > > You're welcome, > > Tom > > > > On 9/17/2015 6:49 PM, Diana Kube wrote: >> Not that I don't agree with your sentiment but when one is dealing with > 400 >> page, 100,000 word documents, errors will be made and need to be > addressed. >> Unfortunately, editors and reviewers are not willing to make corrections >> they believe should be addressed prior to submission. Just because I have >> asked for a programme recommendation to assist in proofing my rather >> large >> documents, doesn't mean that I am illiterate or have no understanding of >> grammatical rules and conventions. Your comments illustrate that you >> have >> little to know experience in working with large manuscripts. This work is >> very different to a 10 page essay. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+kube=netspace.net...@lists.window-eyes.com] >> On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk >> Sent: Friday, 18 September 2015 1:41 AM >> To: Diana Kube ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> >> Subject: Re: Professional level robust Punctuation/grammar/proofing tools >> that work with Window-Eyes. >> >> Hi Diana, >> >> I don't at all mean to sound arrogant. But in my opinion the best thing >> to do for yourself is learn how to do it right yourself. No program is >> going to be perfect. And editors don't mind making minor corrections. >> That's their job. Also, part of it is simply their personal preference >> or that of the publication. >> >> When it comes to punctuation there isn't a set of rules carved in stone >> for the English language. And that is what a program works best with. >> >> Editors and writers will always disagree over things like the use of >> semicolons instead of separate sentences, too many or too few commas or >> clauses, the latter of which may or may not also involve semicolons. >> Then there's the timeless debate over the serial comma, which is also >> referred to as the Oxford or Harvard comma. I have no idea what a >> program would do with that. Do you know the difference between a >> parenthetical statement enclosed in parentheses and one enclosed in em >> dashes? No program can. >> >> One consensus among editors is a raw hatred for the exclamation mark. >> Why this is is a mystery. But it's been preached from the bully pulpit >> for as long as I can remember. So I suppose a program could simply >> blacklist the exclamation mark. Then again, under just the right >> circumstances it is just the right mark for the occasion. Still, whether >> the editor agrees or not is a roll of the dice every time. >> >> So it's a combination of developing your own style and knowing that of >> the publication you're submitting to, because, as I said, they're not >> all hard and fast rules. I say the publication rather than the editor >> because often it's the publication's rules the editor wants you to >> adhere to, which aren't necessarily one and the same. Professional >> publications typically desire consistency throughout. So it may be more >> the publications rules you and the editor are working toward rather than >> either of your own personal preferences. >> >> Academia is pretty well set but there's still wiggle room even there. >> "professional" is an open field on what is right or wrong depending on >> the particular genre or sub-genre. And again, there's the matter of the >> editor's/publication's preference. No reasonable editor is going to have >> a problem with preferential edits. They know they're forcing their style >> on your writing. These are the cases wherein you simply have to learn >> and write to that predefined ideal. >> >> When you say "Word misses a high percentage of unusual errors including >> punctuation with narrated and quoted text in the same sentence," I read >> that as pretty much everything. If you meant something more specific >> please feel free to elaborate. >> >> Good luck, >> Tom >> >> >> On 9/17/2015 7:05 AM, Diana Kube via Talk wrote: >>> The default spell/grammar check that comes with word is not robust >>> enough >>> for large, professional or academic manuscripts. I
RE: Professional level robust Punctuation/grammar/proofing tools that work with Window-Eyes.
essarily one and the same. Professional > publications typically desire consistency throughout. So it may be more > the publications rules you and the editor are working toward rather than > either of your own personal preferences. > > Academia is pretty well set but there's still wiggle room even there. > "professional" is an open field on what is right or wrong depending on > the particular genre or sub-genre. And again, there's the matter of the > editor's/publication's preference. No reasonable editor is going to have > a problem with preferential edits. They know they're forcing their style > on your writing. These are the cases wherein you simply have to learn > and write to that predefined ideal. > > When you say "Word misses a high percentage of unusual errors including > punctuation with narrated and quoted text in the same sentence," I read > that as pretty much everything. If you meant something more specific > please feel free to elaborate. > > Good luck, > Tom > > > On 9/17/2015 7:05 AM, Diana Kube via Talk wrote: >> The default spell/grammar check that comes with word is not robust enough >> for large, professional or academic manuscripts. Is anyone aware of a high > quality, professional >> level tool that works effectively with Window-Eyes? >> >> >> >> I have tried both "Grammarly" and "Ginger" but although they work well for >> my sighted husband, they are not effective using Window-Eyes. I am getting > a >> lot of negative comments regarding errors in manuscripts that reviewers > and >> editors believe should be addressed prior to submission. Any suggestions?? >> >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tom.kingston%4 > 0charter.net. >> For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/kube%40netspac > e.net.au. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/kube%40netspac e.net.au. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Professional level robust Punctuation/grammar/proofing tools that work with Window-Eyes.
Not that I don't agree with your sentiment but when one is dealing with 400 page, 100,000 word documents, errors will be made and need to be addressed. Unfortunately, editors and reviewers are not willing to make corrections they believe should be addressed prior to submission. Just because I have asked for a programme recommendation to assist in proofing my rather large documents, doesn't mean that I am illiterate or have no understanding of grammatical rules and conventions. Your comments illustrate that you have little to know experience in working with large manuscripts. This work is very different to a 10 page essay. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+kube=netspace.net...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk Sent: Friday, 18 September 2015 1:41 AM To: Diana Kube ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Professional level robust Punctuation/grammar/proofing tools that work with Window-Eyes. Hi Diana, I don't at all mean to sound arrogant. But in my opinion the best thing to do for yourself is learn how to do it right yourself. No program is going to be perfect. And editors don't mind making minor corrections. That's their job. Also, part of it is simply their personal preference or that of the publication. When it comes to punctuation there isn't a set of rules carved in stone for the English language. And that is what a program works best with. Editors and writers will always disagree over things like the use of semicolons instead of separate sentences, too many or too few commas or clauses, the latter of which may or may not also involve semicolons. Then there's the timeless debate over the serial comma, which is also referred to as the Oxford or Harvard comma. I have no idea what a program would do with that. Do you know the difference between a parenthetical statement enclosed in parentheses and one enclosed in em dashes? No program can. One consensus among editors is a raw hatred for the exclamation mark. Why this is is a mystery. But it's been preached from the bully pulpit for as long as I can remember. So I suppose a program could simply blacklist the exclamation mark. Then again, under just the right circumstances it is just the right mark for the occasion. Still, whether the editor agrees or not is a roll of the dice every time. So it's a combination of developing your own style and knowing that of the publication you're submitting to, because, as I said, they're not all hard and fast rules. I say the publication rather than the editor because often it's the publication's rules the editor wants you to adhere to, which aren't necessarily one and the same. Professional publications typically desire consistency throughout. So it may be more the publications rules you and the editor are working toward rather than either of your own personal preferences. Academia is pretty well set but there's still wiggle room even there. "professional" is an open field on what is right or wrong depending on the particular genre or sub-genre. And again, there's the matter of the editor's/publication's preference. No reasonable editor is going to have a problem with preferential edits. They know they're forcing their style on your writing. These are the cases wherein you simply have to learn and write to that predefined ideal. When you say "Word misses a high percentage of unusual errors including punctuation with narrated and quoted text in the same sentence," I read that as pretty much everything. If you meant something more specific please feel free to elaborate. Good luck, Tom On 9/17/2015 7:05 AM, Diana Kube via Talk wrote: > The default spell/grammar check that comes with word is not robust enough > for large, professional or academic manuscripts. Is anyone aware of a high quality, professional > level tool that works effectively with Window-Eyes? > > > > I have tried both "Grammarly" and "Ginger" but although they work well for > my sighted husband, they are not effective using Window-Eyes. I am getting a > lot of negative comments regarding errors in manuscripts that reviewers and > editors believe should be addressed prior to submission. Any suggestions?? > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tom.kingston%4 0charter.net. > For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ Any views or opinions pre
RE: Professional level robust Punctuation/grammar/proofing tools that work with Window-Eyes.
Thanks David, I too have been an adaptive tech consultant in a previous incarnation but am unaware of settings that increase the robustness of word enough for the type of evaluation the reviewers and editors are looking for. If you have any ideas of what I can look at I am open to any and all suggestions. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+kube=netspace.net...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of David Goldfield via Talk Sent: Thursday, 17 September 2015 9:18 PM To: Greg Daniel ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Professional level robust Punctuation/grammar/proofing tools that work with Window-Eyes. I admit that I should probably know more about this but I believe that Word's grammar checker has some options to adjust the checking to account for different styles. Have you tried tweeking any of these settings? David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist Feel free to visit my Web site www.davidgoldfield.info On 9/17/2015 7:13 AM, Greg Daniel via Talk wrote: > Have you asked the reviewers and editors who are pointing out the > errors? While this doesn't answer your Window-Eyes-related question, > it may give you ideas on what the professionals use. > > Greg > At 07:05 AM 9/17/2015, you wrote: >> The default spell/grammar check that comes with word is not robust >> enough >> for large, professional or academic manuscripts. Word misses a high >> percentage of unusual errors including punctuation with narrated and >> quoted >> text in the same sentence. Is anyone aware of a high quality, >> professional >> level tool that works effectively with Window-Eyes? >> >> >> >> I have tried both "Grammarly" and "Ginger" but although they work >> well for >> my sighted husband, they are not effective using Window-Eyes. I am >> getting a >> lot of negative comments regarding errors in manuscripts that >> reviewers and >> editors believe should be addressed prior to submission. Any >> suggestions?? >> >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/gdaniel%40colu mbus.rr.com. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/david.goldfiel d%40outlook.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/kube%40netspac e.net.au. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Professional level robust Punctuation/grammar/proofing tools that work with Window-Eyes.
Thanks for that suggestion. They nrecommended "Grammarly" or "Ginger" neither of which I could get to work with Window-Eyes. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+kube=netspace.net...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Greg Daniel via Talk Sent: Thursday, 17 September 2015 9:13 PM To: Diana Kube ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Professional level robust Punctuation/grammar/proofing tools that work with Window-Eyes. Have you asked the reviewers and editors who are pointing out the errors? While this doesn't answer your Window-Eyes-related question, it may give you ideas on what the professionals use. Greg At 07:05 AM 9/17/2015, you wrote: >The default spell/grammar check that comes with word is not robust enough >for large, professional or academic manuscripts. Word misses a high >percentage of unusual errors including punctuation with narrated and quoted >text in the same sentence. Is anyone aware of a high quality, professional >level tool that works effectively with Window-Eyes? > > > >I have tried both "Grammarly" and "Ginger" but although they work well for >my sighted husband, they are not effective using Window-Eyes. I am getting a >lot of negative comments regarding errors in manuscripts that reviewers and >editors believe should be addressed prior to submission. Any suggestions?? > >___ >Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of >the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > >For membership options, visit >http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/gdaniel%40col umbus.rr.com. >For subscription options, visit >http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >List archives can be found at >http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/kube%40netspac e.net.au. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Professional level robust Punctuation/grammar/proofing tools that work with Window-Eyes.
The default spell/grammar check that comes with word is not robust enough for large, professional or academic manuscripts. Word misses a high percentage of unusual errors including punctuation with narrated and quoted text in the same sentence. Is anyone aware of a high quality, professional level tool that works effectively with Window-Eyes? I have tried both "Grammarly" and "Ginger" but although they work well for my sighted husband, they are not effective using Window-Eyes. I am getting a lot of negative comments regarding errors in manuscripts that reviewers and editors believe should be addressed prior to submission. Any suggestions?? ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
