Re: Braille Users, a bit off-topic

[Natalie via Talk]

I've never heard that you use all 8 fingers to read braille. They just 
have to come along as you read.  I find that my left index finger is my 
main reading finger although I'm trying to train my right one, too.  It 
reads but very slowly and usually takes care of the ends of lines.  My 
left middle finger will work in an emergency.  With the Optacon it's the 
left index and possibly the middle would do, again in an emergency.



Natalie

On 11/10/2019 6:55 PM, David via Talk wrote:

I know this is a bit off-topic, yet been wondering and wanted to hear
people's opinion on the matter. it seems this somehow have been
discussed before, still, what do you think.

As any Braille user will know, we are supposed to use 8 fingers for
reading fast and effeciently. That is, the fingers on both hands, except
our thumbs. True enough, thumbs ar on the page, but I am not aware if
anyone would claim that they really read with their thumbs. When
discussing Braille reading back in time, my impression is that though we
use 8 fingers on the page, seemingly particularly ONE finger stands out
to be the number-one for reading. That finger is the one the user will
prefer, should he ever need to read something with only one finger. And
you often do want to do one-finger-reading. Whenever you are to find a
volume in your bookshelf, or you are to read the Braille tag telling the
color of your cloghing, or any other narrow and tight places. Try
searching for the page number in a book, using 8 fingers. Smile.

My big wondering here, could be three-fold - at least. First of all, is
this the case, that you have one "main finger" for reading Braille?
Secondly, if so, say you are a right-handed person, is your prefered
finger then on your left or right hand; and consequently same question
for left-handed people. Number three, which finger is your prefered one?
Will it be your Index-finger, Middle-finger or does your preference sit
with any of the others? Even, we could be tempted to ask if people find
the same finger being their main "seeing" finger, whenever you are to
explore your way on any surface, or perform daily tasks around the
house, office or workshop.

Those who happen to be users of the no-longer manufactured reading
equipment named Optacon, would be using mainly one finger, due to the
very shape of the Optacon itself. And though it might be nice to know
alternative on that equipment, my question widens out for Braille users
in general, due to that being a more representative group.

For one, I find that I have one finger, that is of special good service.
Whether it comes to Braille, or simply just "seeing" what I am doing
when working, that one finger is my top preference. Should I - for any
reasons - find that the finger is out of business for a day or two,
braille reading as well as many daily living tasks, become somehow more
challenging. And I could think of people suffering from Diabetes - who
have to punch their finger tips seveeral times a day - probably they
prefer to leave their prefered-finger untouched by any puncher.

Not to disturb you all in making up your own mind, for now I will leave
it untold which finger I personal find most useful. If anyone feels like
sharing their experience, or know of any study that has been dealing
with the matter, it would be nice to hear your feedback. Otherwise,
maybe this message might just have made you aware of something of lesser
interest, yet quite puzzling.

Sorry, to those who find it too much off-topic.
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Re: FW: Windows 10 1903 Storage Settings can break Window-Eyes

[Natalie via Talk]

Just to let you know, I have Windows 7 and have the same error report 
which I just close.  It started appearing about a month or less ago.  
But just closing it does work.


On 7/18/2019 9:46 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi everyone,

In case some missed it, I'm reposting the message I sent Monday which may be 
the cause of the issue which some of you are experiencing, that is, Window-Eyes 
throwing an error on startup.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: July 15, 2019 10:04 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Rod Hutton 
Subject: Windows 10 1903 Storage Settings can break Window-Eyes

Hi everyone,

I want to alert you to a new feature in Windows 10 1903 which caused me a great 
deal of trouble with Window-Eyes until I found the problem and corrected it.
There is a new feature in Windows 10 1903 called Storage Sense which you can 
learn about here:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/12425/windows-10-free-up-drive-space
The feature is intended to make Windows run better by automatically freeing up 
disk space by removing files which Windows decides are no longer necessary.
Window-Eyes is installed in a folder which is typically reserved for temporary 
files, i.e., within the AppData folder for the current user account.
By default, Windows 10 is configured to remove temporary files, and so 
Window-Eyes can easily be broken by Windows 10.
Now, this is usually not a problem on drives which have sufficient available 
space.
However, on one of my virtual machines, Windows 10 is installed on a 60 GB 
virtual hard drive.
Therefore, on this machine, Windows 10 decided to perform some disk cleanup and 
so Window-Eyes threw an error whenever I ran it.
Interestingly, I found the cause of my problem using Narrator, with which I was 
able to read notifications from Windows indicating that I had deleted files, 
and that I had the option of restoring them.
I thought that I was going crazy since I did not remember deleting any files.
Remembering past posts on this list from users like Netbat who noted how files 
like wineyes.ini can be corrupted, I wondered whether any of my Window-Eyes 
files were being corrupted or deleted.
Anyway, I decided to choose the restore files option from the Windows 
notification, and, after a reboot, Window-Eyes came back to life.
However, this happy state of affairs didn't last long, since, within a short 
period of time, a few minutes in fact, when I restarted Window-Eyes, it threw 
an error again.
I'm trying to think back to how I found out that Windows has a quite aggressive 
disk space manager built into its most recent version, but I eventually did.
One of the features of Windows I have been researching recently is OneDrive, 
which has been evolving quite remarkably, and it, too, has a feature, called 
Files on demand, which is an attempt to deal with the storage space limitations 
of newer Windows devices.
The page link I have provided above also has a link to learn about OneDrive.
While Microsoft is certainly doing a lot of work to add features to its 
software, you really have to study these settings carefully in order to benefit 
from them and avoid problems.
Anyway, at this point I want to suggest that you go into your Windows settings, 
search for Storage Sense, and turn off this feature until you have time to 
consider its implications for your own system, or at least adjust the settings 
in order to prevent Windows making decisions which you don't want.
I hope this helps you all in your travels. Smile.

Good luck,

Rod

Sent from Outlook for Windows

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Re: Error Reporting

[Natalie via Talk]

I get the same error report every time I boot up but just close it.  
It's not your system.



Natalie

On 7/16/2019 10:53 PM, David via Talk wrote:

Interesting.


Two days ago, my Window-Eyes had a crash, and I had to do a cold-boot of
the system. After that, the error report message comes up every time I
start Window-eyes. I thought it was only my system, and had in mind to
ask the list if there is a way to get rid of the whole thing. Been
searching through the menus, hoping for a way to turn error reporting
off, but did see nothing.


and here, you are several others, who experience the report message
popping up on you. Well, at least it seems it might not be my system.
Smiles.


May I ask if you guys have had some of the apps crash on you as well?
See on my system, a couple of apps seem to crash every time I load
WinEyes. This has been going on for a couple of weeks, so a bit longer
than the Error Report issue, but just wonder if there is some kind of
connection. Basically, I do not need the apps, so might have to simply
just turn them off, and perhaps you are not running them, hence they
would not crash on you. Still just wanted to know. The apps in question
is the Uninstall App, developed by Bruce; and also the app that let us
change profile with a hotkey, its name being some foreign language, but
it something like Profilu. Sorry, I don't have it in front of me right
now, that's why memory has to serve.


For your info, I have scanned my computer with AntiVirus, Anti-Malware
programs, and even ran a Registry cleanup with CCleaner. Once I had the
WEDiag app installed yesterday, I let it rebuild the Accessibility
Libraries, being one of the features it offered. I had hope that any of
this took care of the Error Report, but it doesn't seem to have any
positive effect.


I did try to hit Send, next time I simply just closed the Error Report
Message. The rest of the times it's been on my screen, I pressed the
Delete button of the dialog, hoping it would remove the thing from my
computer. But it sure seems it generates new reports every startup.
Happens even if you close WinEyes with Ctrl-Insert-F4, and then restart
the screen reader - a new Error Report comes up.


Probably you are right, it might have to do with late updates of the
general system. By the way, Yes, I do run Win7Pro 64Bit. Not sure if
that is the only kind of systems affected. Who knows, maybe this is the
signal that WinEyes is giving its last breath. Win7 support is obviously
going to be discontinued in 6 months from now, so could it be something
there?


David

On 7/17/2019 2:57 AM, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote:

Same here with the same OS. I'll guess it is related to the Windows
updates that were pushed out last week, but I have no idea what it is.



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- From: Tom via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 5:21 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Tom
Subject: Error Reporting

Using Windows 7 64 bit and Window-Eyes 9.5.4.
I have Window-Eyes set to load after login.
For the past few days after Window-Eyes loads I get the error
reporting message. I've been deleting it and Window-Eyes
seems to run normally, but what might be causing the error
reporting message to come up?

Thank you,

Tom

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Re: Latest Thunderbird

[Natalie via Talk]

This happens to me, too, but more with Reply.  Can't proofread my 
messages as it goes somewherre else or doesn't speak.  I'm replying to 
your message but don't want to use backspace or even, once, arrow keys.  
Updated a few days ago. If I want to reply I usually open a new message.



Natalie Johnson

On 12/3/2018 8:32 AM, David via Talk wrote:

Yesterday, Thunderbird wanted to update itself. I let it do so, hoping
to stay up-to-date with all security.


Everything has worked fine here, with Thunderbird and WE9.54.


After updating Thunderbird, I have done a real restart of my computer,
as I know this usually is necessary when updating things.


Now I can navigate the lists of mails in TB, and opening them, I can
read the content just fine.


But whenever I try to write a message, WE has big trouble. It echoes
well enough my typing, and if I use the backspace I will be told what
character is being deleted. But try using the Arrow-keys, to navigate
what you are writing; it simply does not work. If you Shift-Tab back to
edit the subject line, WE is silent as to what is in the subject field.
Tabbing back to the main body of the posting, all WE will say, is

      About:Blank.

Should you decide to try turning on Browse mode, WE lets you do so, and
then just dings at any keystroke - even the Tab-key. And just forget to
turn off browse mode again, you are told that Browse mode is not available.


Listers,

Is this the end for newer versions of the mailing program - just as well
as we have seen with the newest versions of the Firefox browser? If so,
is there any place to download the latest working version of
Thunderbird? Or, is it my computer that is all mixed up? Anyone else
seeing these behaviors?


I managed to write - and edit my postings - by help of NVDA. So
apparently, that screen reader keeps up with Mozilla's ever ongoing
eagerness of changing layout. Have not yet tried Jaws, so don't know if
any of the above will apply.


thanks for any feaedback.

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Re: SPAM: Re: w e sounds

[Natalie via Talk]

So you find the sounds you want and then go to the program folder to 
somehow create a path?  Will try it and maybe WE will tell me more.  
You're right.  The sounds don't just pop back.



Natalie


On 9/13/2018 3:02 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:

   its all here in the last message.
if you have ever changed your windows themes. like from windows basic 
to windows 7 it will un define the window eyes sounds.
they are in the sounds in the control panel. then tab the windows 
sounds. then find window eyes sounds. there are 6 of them.

they will be undefined. it will say none for there sounds.
but you will have to browse for the sounds they are not in the 
windows/media folder. they are in the program files 
x86/gwmicro/wineyes folder.



-Original Message- From: geodom--- via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 8:47 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: geo...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: w e sounds

I have lost most of my window eyes sounds, too, again.  How do I do this?
Pam.

-Original Message- From: net bat via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 8:32 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: net bat
Subject: w e sounds

search for change system sounds. then tab to sound events.
use first letter navagation for w to find window eyes sounds.
they may still be there. if so you would have to set the path to the 
window

eyes folder where the wave files are.
there are 6 sounds.
i don't remember how to add system sounds if the w e sounds ar not there
though.



-Original Message- From: Natalie via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 4:26 PM
To: net bat via Talk
Cc: Natalie
Subject: Re: SPAM: Re: Latest Firefox ESR - 60 I think

I have an unrelated WE question which you might be able to answer.  For
some reason I just lost all of the WE sounds.  Is there any way I can
retrieve them?


Natalie Johnson


On 9/12/2018 7:13 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:
no, f f 52 is the last version that w e will work with. w e will 
crash as soon as you run the f f 60 version and would have to reboot 
the computer most of the time.
go into the tools menu some where and turn off updateing. i don't 
know where it is. its baried somewhere i found it once and turned it 
off and i am not being nagged anymore.




-Original Message- From: Brenda via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 10:29 AM
To: windoweyesus...@groups.io ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Brenda
Subject: Latest Firefox ESR - 60 I think

I was prompted to update to Firefox ESR 60 ().

I haven't done this because I read a post about the update not working
with Window Eyes or even Jaws.

There were no comments on the GW Talk list or this list as to more than
one person having the issue.

Is it safe to update?

Thanks,
Brenda
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Re: SPAM: Re: w e sounds

[Natalie via Talk]

Hmm.  I haven't changed anything, at least intentionally. Won't try 
anything tomorrow and then will carefully experiment. I'm not a 
particularly adventurous computer user.



On 9/12/2018 8:45 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:

one way the sounds are turned off is when you change windows themes.

-Original Message- From: Natalie via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 5:42 PM
To: net bat via Talk
Cc: Natalie
Subject: Re: SPAM: w e sounds

Thanks.  Will fiddle with it but, like you, not quite sure how and if
this will work.  New idea anyway.  I wonder why they went away

 in the first place.
On 9/12/2018 8:32 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:

search for change system sounds. then tab to sound events.
use first letter navagation for w to find window eyes sounds.
they may still be there. if so you would have to set the path to the 
window eyes folder where the wave files are.

there are 6 sounds.
i don't remember how to add system sounds if the w e sounds ar not 
there though.




-Original Message----- From: Natalie via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 4:26 PM
To: net bat via Talk
Cc: Natalie
Subject: Re: SPAM: Re: Latest Firefox ESR - 60 I think

I have an unrelated WE question which you might be able to answer.  For
some reason I just lost all of the WE sounds.  Is there any way I can
retrieve them?


Natalie Johnson


On 9/12/2018 7:13 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:
no, f f 52 is the last version that w e will work with. w e will 
crash as soon as you run the f f 60 version and would have to reboot 
the computer most of the time.
go into the tools menu some where and turn off updateing. i don't 
know where it is. its baried somewhere i found it once and turned it 
off and i am not being nagged anymore.




-Original Message- From: Brenda via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 10:29 AM
To: windoweyesus...@groups.io ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Brenda
Subject: Latest Firefox ESR - 60 I think

I was prompted to update to Firefox ESR 60 ().

I haven't done this because I read a post about the update not working
with Window Eyes or even Jaws.

There were no comments on the GW Talk list or this list as to more than
one person having the issue.

Is it safe to update?

Thanks,
Brenda
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Re: SPAM: w e sounds

[Natalie via Talk]

Thanks.  Will fiddle with it but, like you, not quite sure how and if 
this will work.  New idea anyway.  I wonder why they went away


 in the first place.
On 9/12/2018 8:32 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:

search for change system sounds. then tab to sound events.
use first letter navagation for w to find window eyes sounds.
they may still be there. if so you would have to set the path to the 
window eyes folder where the wave files are.

there are 6 sounds.
i don't remember how to add system sounds if the w e sounds ar not 
there though.




-Original Message- From: Natalie via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 4:26 PM
To: net bat via Talk
Cc: Natalie
Subject: Re: SPAM: Re: Latest Firefox ESR - 60 I think

I have an unrelated WE question which you might be able to answer.  For
some reason I just lost all of the WE sounds.  Is there any way I can
retrieve them?


Natalie Johnson


On 9/12/2018 7:13 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:
no, f f 52 is the last version that w e will work with. w e will 
crash as soon as you run the f f 60 version and would have to reboot 
the computer most of the time.
go into the tools menu some where and turn off updateing. i don't 
know where it is. its baried somewhere i found it once and turned it 
off and i am not being nagged anymore.




-Original Message- From: Brenda via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 10:29 AM
To: windoweyesus...@groups.io ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Brenda
Subject: Latest Firefox ESR - 60 I think

I was prompted to update to Firefox ESR 60 ().

I haven't done this because I read a post about the update not working
with Window Eyes or even Jaws.

There were no comments on the GW Talk list or this list as to more than
one person having the issue.

Is it safe to update?

Thanks,
Brenda
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Re: SPAM: Re: Latest Firefox ESR - 60 I think

[Natalie via Talk]

I have an unrelated WE question which you might be able to answer.  For 
some reason I just lost all of the WE sounds.  Is there any way I can 
retrieve them?



Natalie Johnson


On 9/12/2018 7:13 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:
no, f f 52 is the last version that w e will work with. w e will crash 
as soon as you run the f f 60 version and would have to reboot the 
computer most of the time.
go into the tools menu some where and turn off updateing. i don't know 
where it is. its baried somewhere i found it once and turned it off 
and i am not being nagged anymore.




-Original Message- From: Brenda via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 10:29 AM
To: windoweyesus...@groups.io ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Brenda
Subject: Latest Firefox ESR - 60 I think

I was prompted to update to Firefox ESR 60 ().

I haven't done this because I read a post about the update not working
with Window Eyes or even Jaws.

There were no comments on the GW Talk list or this list as to more than
one person having the issue.

Is it safe to update?

Thanks,
Brenda
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Re: Upgrading to win10

[Natalie via Talk]

Will this link work if you don't get Windows 10's free offer?


Natalie Johnson


On 12/31/2017 4:23 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi David,

Here's the link to upgrade to Windows 10 for free which expires today:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade

Good luck,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of David via Talk
Sent: December 31, 2017 10:50 AM
To: WE English Mailinglist 
Cc: David 
Subject: Upgrading to win10

OK, I know, this should be the last day for the job. But far as I
remember, the free offer for upgrading to Win10 should last even for today.


Thing is, I thought I had saved the link for the upgrade. Unfortunately,
it must have been saved really deep in the storage here. Anyone please
could leave me the link for the screen reader offer of free upgrading to
Win10?


Thanks listers,



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Re: SPAM: Re: Steps to Change JAWS Voice

[Natalie via Talk]

Do you have any idea how to change tone of voice?  I love Reed but with 
JAWS he sounds like he's just been woken up from a deep sleep.  I'd like 
to keep that voice but change the tone.



Natalie Johnson


On 10/24/2017 4:52 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:
as far as getting more voices, open the jaws menu with jaws key j. go 
to help. in there is the option to get more voices.



-Original Message- From: Terry D. Eagle via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 12:39 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Terry D. Eagle
Subject: Steps to Change JAWS Voice

Hi,



Will someone please provide me with the keyboard steps to select and 
save a

different JAWS voice?



I also understand there are additional voices that can be downloaded from
online site, but I cannot locate the website.



Thanks.



Terry



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Re: SPAM: RE: new window eyes group created

[Natalie via Talk]

I'mtotally blind d

but don't know how to do the beyond-glass-deal.  Sorry, but need help.


On 7/24/2017 3:21 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:

Not only that but why are there multiple I phone lists?  It's about choice
and if one lists gets shut down mine is here.  I am not closing down my list
it is there for help with WindowEyes and those that are going from
WindowEyes to Jaws.  Feel free  to spread the word the subscription address
is.
windoweyesusers+subscr...@groups.io

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of net bat via Talk
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 12:25 PM
To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: new window eyes group created

because vfo will shut down everything haveing to do with window eyes.
they have already blocked all updates on the app list. the listserv will be
next.

-Original Message-
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 3:41 AM
To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: new window eyes group created

Yes; or why add another window eyes group into the mix?  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 12:48 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: new window eyes group created

  Ok, forgive my complete ignorance on the subject...but the
group we're using right now seems to be working quite well.  Why switch?
I'm not against the idea, just not sure why someone would do such a thing
when we already have a group that's worked just fine for years?
Why switch now?




On 7/23/2017 12:45 PM, Patricia Krinke via Talk wrote:

Yes, I canj't get any verification either.  Thank you for any help,


Trish

-Original Message-
From: bj colt via Talk
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 11:11 AM
To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: new window eyes group created


  Hi Dennis,

I am having a huge problem signing up to the new group. I add my email
address and then press enter on verify email. I wait and wait and wait
and wait. For days and I don't get any verification email. I wonder if
more people are getting the same problem?

Is there any way you can help with this problem please?

Sincerely, John

-Original Message-
From: Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 6:26 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: new window eyes group created

Hi, I have created a group to discuss windoweyes you can also ask jaws
questions if you want.  the group info is below.

https://groups.io/g/WindowEyesUsers



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Re: t bird help.

[Natalie via Talk]

Alt-f4 closes it.  Mine doesn't open in the in-box but just tab 3 times 
and you're there.



Natalie


On 7/18/2017 8:52 PM, michael fridey via Talk wrote:

Hi guys i have just installed t bird on my laptop.

So far its working good.

Can any body give me some tips on using it.

Such as is their a way to have t bird open in the in box like WLM.

Plus wen i open a email the only way i can close it is with control w 
is their another way.


Cheers Michael.

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Re: SPAM: Re: Reading Internet Table With Window-eyes

[Natalie via Talk]

You're not alone on the list.  In fact, when I get frustrated with the 
JAWS verbiage I often go back to WindowEyes with a guilty sense of relief.



Natalie Johnson


On 6/29/2017 10:38 PM, Norene Trappa via Talk wrote:

Hi, Rod,

I feel as though I am the only person left on the GWmicro list. Just 
started using windows 10 and still use window-eyes.  I presume most 
everyone has moved to the vfo list, so, could you send me the address 
of the jaws list?  There may be questions I need to ask regarding 
windows 10.  Sure would appreciate it.


Norene Trappa



-Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 10:05 PM
To: Ted Larson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Reading Internet Table With Window-eyes

Hi Ted,

To be clear, then, as Vic replied, use the Insert-arrows to navigate 
tables.
This is because there Is no need to go out of and into table mode in 
the newest versions of Window-Eyes.

Yet, there is still the ability to navigate to them and within them.
Keep in mind, however, that for tables within Adobe Acrobat Reader, 
you must still go into and out of tables, while internal navigation is 
identical.


Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Ted Larson via Talk

Sent: June 16, 2017 9:01 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Reading Internet Table With Window-eyes

Dear List who are still left:

Since table mode is gone from window-eyes, how do I read this table so 
that
it will make sense?  It shows music albums for the last several 
years.  The

web site is:

www.wsiu.org/celticconnections-albums/


Thanks for your help.  Regards:  Ted Larson



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Re: SPAM: Weather Wunderground

[Natalie via Talk]

It's back, at least in Vermont.


Natalie


On 6/24/2017 4:18 PM, Pastor Gil Pries via Talk wrote:

Is Weather Wunderground gone?

The page sort of disappeared.

  


Pastor Gil

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Re: SPAM: Weather Wunderground

[Natalie via Talk]

I'm sure it's just temporarily.  Weird that BARD and Wunderground 
disappeared on the same day.  But, as before, it may be down for 
maintainance.



Natalie Johnson


On 6/24/2017 4:18 PM, Pastor Gil Pries via Talk wrote:

Is Weather Wunderground gone?

The page sort of disappeared.

  


Pastor Gil

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Re: whole migrating situation

[Natalie via Talk]

I need braille to learn.  Any info.?Natalie Johnson


On 5/17/2017 1:36 AM, richard kurlander via Talk wrote:
you used to work for we I feel as a blind person that tech support in 
these companies should give hands on training for free not just say 
read a manual or listen to tutorials. that doesn't work for me. I 
learn better with hands on. I work all day and certainly do not have 
the time to read manuals or listen to tutorials. If I switch to jaws I 
have sma's from we that will be switched over if I get another screen 
reader I would have to pay money. is there a list of screen reader 
companies in the us?At 03:06 PM 5/16/2017, you wrote:
Hi, this is not true. What about other browsers like Firefox and 
Chrome? There is always choice. -- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive 
Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text: 832.554.7285 
Office: 832.639.4477 Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Work 
Email: train...@rgats.com Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer “Any 
teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.� - 
David Thornburg On 5/16/2017 1:35 PM, Kurlander Richard (75) via 
Talk wrote: > We have a monopoly now, since eventually ie will be 
gone and everyone will have to use Microsoft edge and if jaws is the 
only screne reader that can work with Microsoft edge what can you do? 
If Microsoft decides to  change windows to do updates and office  
which they did when they introduced the ribbon things became  harder. 
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Re: How Ironic

[Natalie via Talk]

Is there a list?


On 5/17/2017 10:03 AM, Robert Grimwood via Talk wrote:

Dear all,


whoever would have imagined that this list would have turned into a 
Jaws discussion list?



Cheerio,

Robert




On 5/17/2017 1:53 PM, Raul A. Gallegos via Talk wrote:
Hello, the part about jaws not reading message headers in Thunderbird 
if you are not in threaded view seems to be something recent. I don't 
know if it is a jaws bug or if it is something which recently changed 
in Thunderbird 52. So for now changing it to thread view is the only 
way I have found. I understand you don't like to read messages in a 
thread. I don't either for all mailboxes so I understand the 
frustration. In the meantime however, if you are in a message list 
and you set it for threads, press the star key, which is shift number 
eight and it will expand all the threads allowing you to see each 
message individually.


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On May 16, 2017, at 8:07 PM, Brenda via Talk 
 wrote:


Hello List,


I'm trying to transition to Jaws starting with emailing which I am 
getting a lot of experience on lately.



I find with Jaws I have to view messages as threaded which I don't 
like.  Is there a way to read messages as unthreaded. Jaws doesn't 
seem to read the titles unless threaded.  Hoping there is a setting 
to be changed.



I like the way Window-eyes works with Thunderbird much better, 
hoping this issue in jaws will be fixed.


Thanks,

Brenda


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Re: Is Migration to Jaws Time-sensitive?

[Natalie via Talk]

But what happened to such an easy-to communicate probram?  We should 
have paid more than the institutions who got it all.  We lost.




Natalie


On 5/16/2017 7:17 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
As I understand it, this was suggested and pushed for, but the powers 
that be  at vfo said no.

73
Butch
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Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Tue, 16 May 2017, Loy via Talk wrote:

Being there is thousands of WE users to convert over to JAWS, it 
would be good if there could develope a Window Eyes keyboard layout, 
like Window Eyes had a JAWS keyboard layout.

 - Original Message -
 From: brice Mijares via Talk
 To: Joseph Norton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Ted Larson ; 
t...@window-eyes.com

 Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:17 PM
 Subject: Re: Is Migration to Jaws Time-sensitive?


 Anyone that refuses this offer to switch over to Jaws essentially for
 free is flippen nuts. Grow up youngsters!
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Re: whole migrating situation

[Natalie via Talk]

I'm curious.  When they sold to A.I. Squared did they realize this would 
appen


?  Just curious.  I know big eats small but is AI Squared really a 
company or a shell?


Natalie Johnson
On 5/16/2017 5:56 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

Get your facts straight!
Doug and Dan did not sell anything to VFO. They merged with AI Squared 
who waited a year before selling their soul to the shark. It is their 
CEO who is now a VP at VFO.
Tap into your Ph.D. candidacy to see if you can figure out the 
sympathetic resonances in this arpeggio.



On 5/16/2017 4:52 PM, Orlando Enrique Fiol via Talk wrote:

So, no monopoly here, yet.  Just business.
The same thing happened in the Long Distance and local phone markets.
The AT field is no different, whether we like it or not.


Your analogy is somewhat flawed because long distance telephone carriers
provided the exact same service. Whether you used AT&T or MCI, back in
the day, you didn't have to learn an entirely new conceptual layout just
to get long distance service. If Dan and Doug simply wanted to retire
from the accessibility market, they could have sold the company to an
enterprising software developer with an interest in the blind
accessibility market. Instead, the code now belongs to VFO, locked away
from future development. That doesn't seem sensible, and I can't imagine
how much VFO could have offered GWMicro to take its code off the market.

Orlando Enrique Fiol
Ph.D. Candidate in Music Theory
University of Pennsylvania
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Re: Question RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Natalie via Talk]

Do you know if there is any braille backup for how to deal with JAWS?  
WindowEyes was really good with that.  I'd hate to have to braille all 
of the changes although guess I can.



Natalie


On 5/16/2017 11:16 AM, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote:

Karen,

Currently we don't have any plans on removing the Window-Eyes offer for users 
of Microsoft Office.  But if you want to be safe, you can certainly just 
download the 9.5.4 version there now and tuck it away for a rainy day.  It can 
be used on as many machines as you need.

So yes, just put it on a thumb drive and keep it in a safe place and use it on 
as many machines as you need.

Doug

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On Behalf Of Karen Poulakos via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:28 PM
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Subject: Question RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

Here's a question:  I am using Window-eyes4Office.  If it too is going away, 
can I save a copy for an installation on a new computer at a later date?  I 
don't remember whether it needs to go through a registration process in order 
for it to work.

If so, can I put it on a thumb drive?  How would I go about doing that?

Karen Poulakos

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Re: weather forecast

[Natalie via Talk]

I've depended on it for years and now it just gives present and a bit of 
past weather.  Fast Forecast doesn't give it either.  Tried emailing 
them but computer says page is not displayed.  Guess will have to find 
somewhere else.



Natalie


On 4/9/2017 6:41 PM, Jim Elsner via Talk wrote:

I have noticed the same over the past week.  Sure hope it comes back.
Jim

On 4/9/2017 6:00 PM, Don H via Talk wrote:

Have been using the following link for weather forecasts for a long
time.  As of late it only gives the current conditions and no forecast
is shown.
http://braille.wunderground.com
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Re: Does anyone know?

[Natalie via Talk]

I've been trying off and on all day and can't get beyond putting in my 
email address.  Thankfully tomorrow is a working day for them.



Natalie


On 11/6/2016 8:17 PM, Richard Jarvis via Talk wrote:

I have tried a couple of times today to get on the Bard website with no
luck.  Does anyone know if they are down for some reason.  Thanks Rick
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Re: how to stop thunderbird repeting in the new window-eyes

[Natalie via Talk]

I have the same problem with Thunderbird repeating the subject line and 
Mozilla Thunderbird in the middle of messages.  It went away for the 
weekend but appeared again on Monday.  Thought it had repaired itself 
but no such luck.


Natalie

On 2/16/2016 4:26 PM, Casey via Talk wrote:

Hi I have the latest window-eyes installed.
Now when I am reading A message in Thunderbird sometime it will be 
reading and then go along and `` what it just read.

Then it will read on like normal.
This only happens A few times.
So how do you make this not happen?




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Re: test messsage to see if it makes it to the list

[Natalie via Talk]

You made it.

On 1/13/2016 12:22 PM, Jim Ardin via Talk wrote:




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Re: The key pad

[Natalie via Talk]

If you have Thunderbird the mousepad doesn't work.

Natalie

On 11/30/2015 1:57 PM, Smith, Veronica via Talk wrote:

I'm still a bit confused, my keypad doesn't read my emails.  Iturn WE on, then 
I hit the 7 and it says top left, but that is all it says, if I hit 9, it says 
top right, if I hit the 2, it says send or it Reads a menu. Like if I hit the 
Alt F.
It used to read who sent it and all that other info when I went to the top.
Veronica
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Re: Fwd: RE: Your confirmation is required to leave the Talk mailing list

[Natalie via Talk]

I got one yesterday and certainly don't want to leave the list. It might 
have been meant as an answer to a particular request and went wrong.


Natalie

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Hi,I wonder what this all means. This is the second 
message like this I've received this morning. I certainly didn't put 
in a request, this is my favorite list Has anybody else received such 
a message? .

Thanks.
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Re: ???

[Natalie via Talk]

I agree.  What's the big deal?  Enough!

Natalie

On 10/21/2015 7:57 AM, tchild via Talk wrote:

So, why are people making such a big deal over some message that no one even 
knows for sure what it’s eluding to. Window Eyes is working as good or better 
than ever before. All the different configuration of PC’s and hardware and 
programs, of course there’s going to be some that work better than others and 
sojmke that just keep hick-upping. I’ve heard some people say that in a perfect 
world the screen reader would work seemlessly, in fact however in a perfect 
world no one would need a screen reader... lol Just saying.
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Re: finding the thumb drive

[Natalie via Talk]

You can go to autoplay or computer and look for USB drive or something 
with USB in the lable.


Natalie

On 9/19/2015 2:22 PM, bud schwab via Talk wrote:

Hi guys,
 I am using windoweyes 9.2 and windows 10.  It's all very new to me so 
I have a lot to leard.  If I plug a thumb drive or cartridge in a usb 
port how do I find it?  I think it's called e drive but I've searched 
an  searched but can;'t find where it would be.  Any help would be 
great, as I'm really dawnted with this new setup Thanks And also, does 
anybody have an idea as to how I can see the headers and footers in my 
Thunderbird email? All I get is the main body of the message.

Thanks again...

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Re: retrieving messages from tb trash

[Natalie via Talk]

Just shift-tab once and either hit T or better still go down the list of 
folders until you get to trash.  Then, as in the inbox, tab once to the 
list of documents and when you find the one you want just enter or, if 
that doesn't work, hit the spacebar once to select it and then hit enter.


Natalie

On 9/14/2015 1:08 PM, Bud Schwab via Talk wrote:

Hi Gang,
I have lost some emails so I presume they are in the trash.  In 
Thunderbird how does one get to the trash folder  and how can an email 
be retrieved?

Thanks.  I wish I knew more about what I'm doing, but I don't.
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Re: info about Thunderbird

[Natalie via Talk]

All you do to close a message is hit escape and it will close the window 
without deleting it.


Natalie

On 9/10/2015 12:16 PM, Bud Schwab via Talk wrote:

Hi Guys,
I'm still struggling to learn more about Thunderbird,Just a few quick 
questions if I might. How do I edit the address list,, making 
changes and also adding new ones?  Also what does clickable mean, does 
that mean click or press enter on something?   I  am using windows 10 
and windoweyes 9.2.Also, how to close a message without deleting it?  
More questions, but this will be a good start  Thanks.  I am an old 
Eudora user but couldn't get it to work on windows 10.  .

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Re: questions about thunderbird

[Natalie via Talk]

I have Thunderbird and I find the inbox by hitting M on the desktop.  
After you hear the bird noises you'll be in a list of folders.  Hit tab 
and it should bring you right into the inbox. Of course it depends on 
how you've got it set up.  You can also find it with the windows search 
key if 10 still has it.


Natalie

On 9/2/2015 12:04 PM, Earl Schwab via Talk wrote:

Hi Guys

I just got a new computer with windows 10 and found that my Eudora 
wouldn't work on it. Even Microsoft tried installing it several times 
with no luck.  Anyway, bottom line is that I had to use another email 
program so I am using thunderbird.  I'm just trying to learn about it 
and get it customized, but have a lot of questions. I'll just ask a 
couple right now. I rthought gwmicro had some tutorials on thunderbird 
but I only found one that was some helpful but not at all in depth.  
One question is how to get to the in box. Once in a while it will 
default to the in box when I start it, but most of the time I have to 
keep trying to find it.  I eventually get to it, but by the time I 
have done so many things that I don't know how I did it.Thanks 
for any help.  This is so different from Eudora.


Bud


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Re: WLM vs Thunderbird

[Natalie via Talk]

I had WLM for a while but didn't like it.  Now have Thunderbird and 
after a few fixes it works just fine.  People say Outlook is really the 
best but like my Thunderbird just fine.


Natalie Johnson

On 6/15/2015 1:52 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

I have been having issues with my copy of WLM so I am currently forced to go to 
outlook.com in order to read and write emails.  Anyway, a friend suggested that 
I download Thunderbird instead of trying to repair or reinstall WLM.  Do WE and 
Thunderbird work well together?  Is Thunderbird as easy to use as WLM?  You can 
email me off list so as not to clutter the board, thanks.

Nick

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Re: Latest WE with Brailliant 40 cell display

[Natalie via Talk]

If I'm reading your message correctly, even in traditional paper braille 
you'll find empty lines and one-word lines.  It's a waste of paper and 
patience, but I have a feeling this might be mirrored or duplicated when 
you're using a display.  Just a suggestion.


Natalie

On 6/2/2015 5:07 PM, Yusuf Osman via Talk wrote:

Hi, Does anyone know how I can stop the Brailliant 40 cell from periodically 
leaving empty cells? This usually happens at the end of a line of print, there 
maybe 2 full displays lengths of text, then a couple of cells and nothing else. 
In order to go to the next line of text I have to pan right with the middle 
button at the right end of the display.

Is there any way of getting rid of these blank cells and having the text 
continue until a paragraph is reached, when I'm happy for a blank line of the 
display?

I'm feeling pretty tired, does anyone understand what I'm trying to ask? 
(smile). Is there a setting in the WE control panel, Braille that will change 
this behaviour?
Yusuf

I've set up a FundMe account to help cover the ongoing costs of my PhD. I'd be 
very grateful if you'd consider donating. Thank you!
https://www.gofundme.com/lhj928
Why not follow me on Twitter at:
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Re: braille wonderground weather page

[Natalie via Talk]

Hope the weather is right though.  Had the same mis-date.  We need the 
forecast here in Vermont.  Sounds good.


Natalie

On 3/29/2015 4:56 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
Yup, I just looked, and there it is.  It looks like somebody goofed.  
It will be interesting to see how long it takes them to correct it.  Pam.


-Original Message- From: Don H via Talk
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 9:55 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: braille wonderground weather page

Anyone else noticed that if you use the Braille wonderground web site to
get weather forecast that the date is wrong?  At top of page it shows
the month as being Jan.

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Re: forward, controll F

[Natalie via Talk]

I have Thunderbird and hit control-l.

Natalie Johnson

On 3/3/2015 5:14 PM, Smith, Veronica via Talk wrote:

Hello, before I ungraded to the new WE, I used to hit control F to forward an 
email here or there.  Now when I hit Controlll F, it says Find.  Then I have to 
hit escape and then Controll F again and it works.
Has this happened to any of you and if so, what should I do to fix it.
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