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Pam, do you have access to any other pc where you could try it with 8gb of ram? WE sometimes has problems with email, but I don't think it's due to memory or the lack there of. I'd suggest, if this really bothers you, that you find some other email package and try it for a while. I use Outlook myself, but perhaps others here can recommend better free email. Chip Chip Orange Florida Public Service Commission Computer Systems Analyst 850-413-6314 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+corange=psc.state.fl...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 9:48 AM To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] WE crashing was RE: Seeking Your Input I do have 8gb ram on this tower, but when I get email coming in while I am already reading or writing a message, window eyes stops talking. If I am reading a message, I have to escape out of the message and enter on it all over again to read it. If I am writing one, speech stops and I can't proof what I am writing. I am using windows live mail. Pam. -Original Message- From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 5:53 PM To: 'Baracco, Andrew W' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] WE crashing was RE: Seeking Your Input Well, I don't have 8GB RAM on any computer and, Window-Eyes is NOT crashing! Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/geodom%40optonline.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/corange%40psc.state.fl.us. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: [EXTERNAL] WE crashing was RE: Seeking Your Input
I really suspect crashing is most often a function of a difficult to detect trojan virus/malware. This means you may have to try several solutions in order to come up with a really clean system. I've been using trojan killer lately, as it has a high reputation for finding the very difficult to detect trojans, in combination with the Microsoft Security Essentials (or Windows Defender). Malware Bytes is also highly rated, but many articles say it doesn't catch everything. Next suggestion would be to scan the disk for file errors. If you've had and removed several infections, you may need to reinstall Windows in order to get undamaged Windows components (especially if you've upgraded your Windows). Memory in my opinion, above 4gb, may just possibly make things run faster, but does nothing for preventing crashes; that's why virtual memory was created, to compensate for any lack of memory. Hth, Chip Chip Orange Florida Public Service Commission Computer Systems Analyst 850-413-6314 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+corange=psc.state.fl...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 5:53 PM To: 'Baracco, Andrew W'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] WE crashing was RE: Seeking Your Input Well, I don't have 8GB RAM on any computer and, Window-Eyes is NOT crashing! Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/corange%40psc.state.fl.us. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: [EXTERNAL] WE crashing was RE: Seeking Your Input
Yes, me also. Chip Chip Orange Florida Public Service Commission Computer Systems Analyst 850-413-6314 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+corange=psc.state.fl...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 12:54 PM To: Baracco, Andrew W; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] WE crashing was RE: Seeking Your Input This may be recommended but I use Window Eyes and ZoomText with 4 GB and all works well. - Original Message - From: Baracco, Andrew W via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com To: Karyn Campbell karyn1...@gmail.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List talk@lists.window-eyes.com Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 12:11 PM Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] WE crashing was RE: Seeking Your Input The Section 508 compliance office for the VA recommends that visually impaired computer users using screen access software have a minimum of 8 GB RAM in their systems. This is an issue that I am fighting with my facility because our IT department has a policy of maximum of 4 GB RAM on all systems, no exceptions. Andy -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+andrew.baracco=va@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Karyn Campbell via Talk Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 8:42 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: [EXTERNAL] WE crashing was RE: Seeking Your Input Hello all, To those who say they are having crashing issues, I ask two questions: 1. What antivirus package are you running? 2. How much RAM does your machine have? These are important questions as they can go to some of these issues. I was running Vipre on my netbook which slowed down the system and cause crashing issues. I no longer run Vipre and am getting better performance as a result. Thanks. Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA, karyn1...@gmail.com Using WE 9.1 on HP Pavilion laptop running Windows 8.1 home premium 32-bit with Office 2013 and IE 11 as well as Acer netbook running Windows 7 home premium 64-bit with Office 2007 and IE 11 and Microsoft Defender on netbook with 2 gb of RAM and Macaffee Live Safe on the HP Pavilion. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/andrew.bar acco%40va.gov. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/loyrg2845%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/corange%40psc.state.fl.us. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: [EXTERNAL] WE crashing was RE: Seeking Your Input
I do have 8gb ram on this tower, but when I get email coming in while I am already reading or writing a message, window eyes stops talking. If I am reading a message, I have to escape out of the message and enter on it all over again to read it. If I am writing one, speech stops and I can't proof what I am writing. I am using windows live mail. Pam. -Original Message- From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 5:53 PM To: 'Baracco, Andrew W' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] WE crashing was RE: Seeking Your Input Well, I don't have 8GB RAM on any computer and, Window-Eyes is NOT crashing! Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/geodom%40optonline.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: [EXTERNAL] WE crashing was RE: Seeking Your Input
The Section 508 compliance office for the VA recommends that visually impaired computer users using screen access software have a minimum of 8 GB RAM in their systems. This is an issue that I am fighting with my facility because our IT department has a policy of maximum of 4 GB RAM on all systems, no exceptions. Andy -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+andrew.baracco=va@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Karyn Campbell via Talk Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 8:42 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: [EXTERNAL] WE crashing was RE: Seeking Your Input Hello all, To those who say they are having crashing issues, I ask two questions: 1. What antivirus package are you running? 2. How much RAM does your machine have? These are important questions as they can go to some of these issues. I was running Vipre on my netbook which slowed down the system and cause crashing issues. I no longer run Vipre and am getting better performance as a result. Thanks. Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA, karyn1...@gmail.com Using WE 9.1 on HP Pavilion laptop running Windows 8.1 home premium 32-bit with Office 2013 and IE 11 as well as Acer netbook running Windows 7 home premium 64-bit with Office 2007 and IE 11 and Microsoft Defender on netbook with 2 gb of RAM and Macaffee Live Safe on the HP Pavilion. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/andrew.bar acco%40va.gov. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: [EXTERNAL] WE crashing was RE: Seeking Your Input
This may be recommended but I use Window Eyes and ZoomText with 4 GB and all works well. - Original Message - From: Baracco, Andrew W via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com To: Karyn Campbell karyn1...@gmail.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List talk@lists.window-eyes.com Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 12:11 PM Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] WE crashing was RE: Seeking Your Input The Section 508 compliance office for the VA recommends that visually impaired computer users using screen access software have a minimum of 8 GB RAM in their systems. This is an issue that I am fighting with my facility because our IT department has a policy of maximum of 4 GB RAM on all systems, no exceptions. Andy -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+andrew.baracco=va@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Karyn Campbell via Talk Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 8:42 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: [EXTERNAL] WE crashing was RE: Seeking Your Input Hello all, To those who say they are having crashing issues, I ask two questions: 1. What antivirus package are you running? 2. How much RAM does your machine have? These are important questions as they can go to some of these issues. I was running Vipre on my netbook which slowed down the system and cause crashing issues. I no longer run Vipre and am getting better performance as a result. Thanks. Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA, karyn1...@gmail.com Using WE 9.1 on HP Pavilion laptop running Windows 8.1 home premium 32-bit with Office 2013 and IE 11 as well as Acer netbook running Windows 7 home premium 64-bit with Office 2007 and IE 11 and Microsoft Defender on netbook with 2 gb of RAM and Macaffee Live Safe on the HP Pavilion. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/andrew.bar acco%40va.gov. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/loyrg2845%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: [EXTERNAL] WE crashing was RE: Seeking Your Input
Andrew, this might be why my system keeps crashing with we Sent from my iPhone On Jun 1, 2015, at 12:11 PM, Baracco, Andrew W via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote: The Section 508 compliance office for the VA recommends that visually impaired computer users using screen access software have a minimum of 8 GB RAM in their systems. This is an issue that I am fighting with my facility because our IT department has a policy of maximum of 4 GB RAM on all systems, no exceptions. Andy -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+andrew.baracco=va@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Karyn Campbell via Talk Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 8:42 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: [EXTERNAL] WE crashing was RE: Seeking Your Input Hello all, To those who say they are having crashing issues, I ask two questions: 1. What antivirus package are you running? 2. How much RAM does your machine have? These are important questions as they can go to some of these issues. I was running Vipre on my netbook which slowed down the system and cause crashing issues. I no longer run Vipre and am getting better performance as a result. Thanks. Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA, karyn1...@gmail.com Using WE 9.1 on HP Pavilion laptop running Windows 8.1 home premium 32-bit with Office 2013 and IE 11 as well as Acer netbook running Windows 7 home premium 64-bit with Office 2007 and IE 11 and Microsoft Defender on netbook with 2 gb of RAM and Macaffee Live Safe on the HP Pavilion. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/andrew.bar acco%40va.gov. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/hiheidiv%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: [EXTERNAL] WE crashing was RE: Seeking Your Input
Well, I don't have 8GB RAM on any computer and, Window-Eyes is NOT crashing! Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: [EXTERNAL] WE crashing was RE: Seeking Your Input
My experience so far is that 4 GB is enough RM. When things are running normally with not too many programs running (but 65 to 80 processes), you're using less than 2 GB of RAM. Doesn't matter whether this is with Wiindow-Eyes, JAWS or NVDA. 8 GB would provide some insurance, especially if you leave your computer running for days at a time, but I don't think it's a big deal. But 2 GB isn't enough these days. Just my experience. YMMV. Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD http://lras.home.sprynet.com -Original Message- From: Baracco, Andrew W via Talk Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 12:11 PM To: Karyn Campbell ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] WE crashing was RE: Seeking Your Input The Section 508 compliance office for the VA recommends that visually impaired computer users using screen access software have a minimum of 8 GB RAM in their systems. This is an issue that I am fighting with my facility because our IT department has a policy of maximum of 4 GB RAM on all systems, no exceptions. Andy -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+andrew.baracco=va@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Karyn Campbell via Talk Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 8:42 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: [EXTERNAL] WE crashing was RE: Seeking Your Input Hello all, To those who say they are having crashing issues, I ask two questions: 1. What antivirus package are you running? 2. How much RAM does your machine have? These are important questions as they can go to some of these issues. I was running Vipre on my netbook which slowed down the system and cause crashing issues. I no longer run Vipre and am getting better performance as a result. Thanks. Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA, karyn1...@gmail.com Using WE 9.1 on HP Pavilion laptop running Windows 8.1 home premium 32-bit with Office 2013 and IE 11 as well as Acer netbook running Windows 7 home premium 64-bit with Office 2007 and IE 11 and Microsoft Defender on netbook with 2 gb of RAM and Macaffee Live Safe on the HP Pavilion. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/andrew.bar acco%40va.gov. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/lras%40sprynet.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: [EXTERNAL] WE crashing was RE: Seeking Your Input
Hello Andy, I am very surprised that any systems are limited to only 4GB or memory. That is not very much memory for Vista, Win 7, or Win 8. Perhaps memory is an issue, since the machine I keep getting the troubles only has 6 GB of memory. Perhaps Win eyes likes 8 or more? At 09:11 AM 6/1/2015, you wrote: The Section 508 compliance office for the VA recommends that visually impaired computer users using screen access software have a minimum of 8 GB RAM in their systems. This is an issue that I am fighting with my facility because our IT department has a policy of maximum of 4 GB RAM on all systems, no exceptions. Andy -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+andrew.baracco=va@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Karyn Campbell via Talk Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 8:42 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: [EXTERNAL] WE crashing was RE: Seeking Your Input Hello all, To those who say they are having crashing issues, I ask two questions: 1. What antivirus package are you running? 2. How much RAM does your machine have? These are important questions as they can go to some of these issues. I was running Vipre on my netbook which slowed down the system and cause crashing issues. I no longer run Vipre and am getting better performance as a result. Thanks. Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA, karyn1...@gmail.com Using WE 9.1 on HP Pavilion laptop running Windows 8.1 home premium 32-bit with Office 2013 and IE 11 as well as Acer netbook running Windows 7 home premium 64-bit with Office 2007 and IE 11 and Microsoft Defender on netbook with 2 gb of RAM and Macaffee Live Safe on the HP Pavilion. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/andrew.bar acco%40va.gov. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/davidh1999%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
