RE: Question About Android phone, Off Topic
I agree with that statement. I have chosen to go forward with NVDA, pluss JFW for CakeTalking access with Sonar, although when I get the production computer upgraded to windows 10, it will be NVDA and Narrator, and Reaper for the reason that you will have to keep your screen reader current going forward or lose out. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Bernie Perella via Talk Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2018 2:45 PM To: Jim via Talk Cc: Bernie Perella Subject: Re: Question About Android phone, Off Topic Hi Jim, I suppose that I can't say I have never looked back after purching an Android phone and tablet, but not because I long for something else. Rather, I a still using my Windows computer with Windows 1809. I am still using it because I still am using a couple of programs that I like and don't yet have one to replace them. for example, I really like the APH program Moneytalks and wish they would port it to another platform but don't think that will happen. I have found Android and all the phone features pretty easy to learn and unlike We, there are no profiles, no setfiles etc. At this point I am in process of getting office apps for android and that is going rather well. I know there are some on this list who are still hanging onto older versions of windows and WE but I certainly would recommend to them that they really get started on choosing a path on which to move forward. Note that MS is now supporting only the most recent versions of Windows and IE is going by the by. So, while one still has a working system, one could begin to think about and start making the change. while I have made my choice, I don't want to tell others what they should do. Take care and have a happy new years. Bernie On 12/29/2018 4:22 PM, Jim via Talk wrote: > Hi there Bernie! > > Well I went from the Apple iPhone 4 S to the Galaxy s5 and have never > looked back! Oh I still think about it but the Apple really hasn't > shown me any good reason to switch. Not that I wouldn't if I saw a > good reason. I have been very happy with my Android phones and will > probably stay with them for the immediate future! Just My 2-Sense > worth! Have A Good 1! de > > On 26-Dec-18 14:46, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote: >> Hi Bob, Yes, I am using an Android phone and because I got fed up with >> high cellular phone bills, I switched to the Google Fi cellular >> network. As far as the phone goes, I was surprised how easy it was to >> learn how to use the built-in screen reader called Talkback. In fact, >> when the annoouncement about the death of WE came out, I gave >> considerable thought about what I should do. I considered switching to >> the other screenreader but discounted that path because I think that in >> the not too distant future technology will bring to an end such >> screenreradrs. So, that left me where so many of us have wanted to be, >> finding and acceptable screenreader that is supported by the operating >> system creator. There are three choices: MS narrator, Apple >> Voiceover,and Android Talkback. I played around with voiceover but I >> was unahappy about the fact that I would have to have an Iphone and yoou >> know how expensive they have become. So, that left Android and there >> are many phones in all price ranges that you can use. I bought a very >> inexpensive Android Tablet with the goal in mind of learning how to use >> Talkback. I felt that if using the touch screen was to difficult, I >> would eat the $100 cost and consider it just an experiment. But, I was >> surprised that I quickly learned how to use the tablet with the keyboard >> first and then detaching it so as to use the touch screen. Actually, >> Before buying the tablet,I needed a new cell phone so after reading >> about Google Fi, I decided to try it since no contract was involved. I >> bought from Google the Nexus 5 and I have never looked back. I coud go >> on but probably by now you have had enough. But, if you have any other >> questions, let me know. Bernie >> >> On 12/26/2018 2:32 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote: >>> Anyone using an android phone"? If so, how do you like it? >>> >>> Is there an Android email list? Please reply off-list as this is >>> off-topic. >>> >>> -Bob Ringwald >>> r...@ringwald.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>> ___ >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >
Re: Question About Android phone, Off Topic
Hi Jim, I suppose that I can't say I have never looked back after purching an Android phone and tablet, but not because I long for something else. Rather, I a still using my Windows computer with Windows 1809. I am still using it because I still am using a couple of programs that I like and don't yet have one to replace them. for example, I really like the APH program Moneytalks and wish they would port it to another platform but don't think that will happen. I have found Android and all the phone features pretty easy to learn and unlike We, there are no profiles, no setfiles etc. At this point I am in process of getting office apps for android and that is going rather well. I know there are some on this list who are still hanging onto older versions of windows and WE but I certainly would recommend to them that they really get started on choosing a path on which to move forward. Note that MS is now supporting only the most recent versions of Windows and IE is going by the by. So, while one still has a working system, one could begin to think about and start making the change. while I have made my choice, I don't want to tell others what they should do. Take care and have a happy new years. Bernie On 12/29/2018 4:22 PM, Jim via Talk wrote: > Hi there Bernie! > > Well I went from the Apple iPhone 4 S to the Galaxy s5 and have never > looked back! Oh I still think about it but the Apple really hasn't > shown me any good reason to switch. Not that I wouldn't if I saw a > good reason. I have been very happy with my Android phones and will > probably stay with them for the immediate future! Just My 2-Sense > worth! Have A Good 1! de > > On 26-Dec-18 14:46, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote: >> Hi Bob, Yes, I am using an Android phone and because I got fed up with >> high cellular phone bills, I switched to the Google Fi cellular >> network. As far as the phone goes, I was surprised how easy it was to >> learn how to use the built-in screen reader called Talkback. In fact, >> when the annoouncement about the death of WE came out, I gave >> considerable thought about what I should do. I considered switching to >> the other screenreader but discounted that path because I think that in >> the not too distant future technology will bring to an end such >> screenreradrs. So, that left me where so many of us have wanted to be, >> finding and acceptable screenreader that is supported by the operating >> system creator. There are three choices: MS narrator, Apple >> Voiceover,and Android Talkback. I played around with voiceover but I >> was unahappy about the fact that I would have to have an Iphone and yoou >> know how expensive they have become. So, that left Android and there >> are many phones in all price ranges that you can use. I bought a very >> inexpensive Android Tablet with the goal in mind of learning how to use >> Talkback. I felt that if using the touch screen was to difficult, I >> would eat the $100 cost and consider it just an experiment. But, I was >> surprised that I quickly learned how to use the tablet with the keyboard >> first and then detaching it so as to use the touch screen. Actually, >> Before buying the tablet,I needed a new cell phone so after reading >> about Google Fi, I decided to try it since no contract was involved. I >> bought from Google the Nexus 5 and I have never looked back. I coud go >> on but probably by now you have had enough. But, if you have any other >> questions, let me know. Bernie >> >> On 12/26/2018 2:32 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote: >>> Anyone using an android phone"? If so, how do you like it? >>> >>> Is there an Android email list? Please reply off-list as this is >>> off-topic. >>> >>> -Bob Ringwald >>> r...@ringwald.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>> ___ >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>> >>> For membership options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/bernie.perella%40outlook.com. >>> >>> >>> For subscription options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> List archives can be found at >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/wohlggie%40gmail.com. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >
Re: Question About Android phone, Off Topic
Hi there Bernie! Well I went from the Apple iPhone 4 S to the Galaxy s5 and have never looked back! Oh I still think about it but the Apple really hasn't shown me any good reason to switch. Not that I wouldn't if I saw a good reason. I have been very happy with my Android phones and will probably stay with them for the immediate future! Just My 2-Sense worth! Have A Good 1! de On 26-Dec-18 14:46, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote: Hi Bob, Yes, I am using an Android phone and because I got fed up with high cellular phone bills, I switched to the Google Fi cellular network. As far as the phone goes, I was surprised how easy it was to learn how to use the built-in screen reader called Talkback. In fact, when the annoouncement about the death of WE came out, I gave considerable thought about what I should do. I considered switching to the other screenreader but discounted that path because I think that in the not too distant future technology will bring to an end such screenreradrs. So, that left me where so many of us have wanted to be, finding and acceptable screenreader that is supported by the operating system creator. There are three choices: MS narrator, Apple Voiceover,and Android Talkback. I played around with voiceover but I was unahappy about the fact that I would have to have an Iphone and yoou know how expensive they have become. So, that left Android and there are many phones in all price ranges that you can use. I bought a very inexpensive Android Tablet with the goal in mind of learning how to use Talkback. I felt that if using the touch screen was to difficult, I would eat the $100 cost and consider it just an experiment. But, I was surprised that I quickly learned how to use the tablet with the keyboard first and then detaching it so as to use the touch screen. Actually, Before buying the tablet,I needed a new cell phone so after reading about Google Fi, I decided to try it since no contract was involved. I bought from Google the Nexus 5 and I have never looked back. I coud go on but probably by now you have had enough. But, if you have any other questions, let me know. Bernie On 12/26/2018 2:32 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote: Anyone using an android phone"? If so, how do you like it? Is there an Android email list? Please reply off-list as this is off-topic. -Bob Ringwald r...@ringwald.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/bernie.perella%40outlook.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/wohlggie%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Question About Android phone, Off Topic
Got 2 copies of this email. Thanks for the info. n I wonder if anyone makes a raised dots overlay for the Android? I had one for my Ifone 5c. It was very helpful. Although I just could not catch on to the ifone. Tough to teach an old dawg, I guess... -Bob -Original Message- From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 2:44 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. ; 'Robert Ringwald' Subject: RE: Question About Android phone, Off Topic Mr. Ringwald asked: "Anyone using an android phone"?" Yes sir. I live and breathe Android with plans to someday ditch Windows and its associated screen readers as soon as it becomes practicable. I like and love Android. It is absolutely important to come to Android with an open mind and a readiness to deal with some lerning curve. No real handholding with Android compared to other platforms. There's also no one size fits all in Android land: There are a variety of toys to choose from depending on how much each person is willing to pay for an Android toy. You can begin your investigation of Android by visiting this site: www.inclusiveandroid.com There's also a book written by Ms. Ana Garza and Mr. James Meddaugh available from the National Braille Press. You also wrote: "Is there an Android email list?" Yes, there are quite a number of mailing lists for and about Android. The best one is setup by Google; it is hardly ever moderated, but several developers are on it. There is constant interaction between the user community and Talkback developers. It can be a very high traffic list; far too often, folks comparing Ios to Android bring on the noise! However, if you can look beyond the noise machines, there are so many knowledgeable folks on the mailing list that are willing to help an Android novice. One great thing about Android is that you can use any number of TTS engines; amongst them, Eloquence, Vocalizer, Voxygen, Speak TTS, Acapela and the list goes on. Typically, the default TTS on an Android device is Google TTS, but you can change it to whatever you like. To subscribe to the mailing list, please send a blank message to: eyes-free+subscr...@googlegroups.com Please note that Braille support in Android is not all that arrow sharp at the moment. However, several Braille notetakers and displays are supported using BrailleBack. You do not need any extra software in order to connect your Android toy to the computer and interact with it. Your toy will show up as another drive and you can move files back and forth between your Windows and your Android toy just as you would do using a flash drive or an SD card. I hope the foregoing is reasonably helpful; if you have any additional questions, please post in this space. Much thanks! Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rs%40ringwald.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Question About Android phone, Off Topic
Mr. Ringwald asked: "Anyone using an android phone"?" Yes sir. I live and breathe Android with plans to someday ditch Windows and its associated screen readers as soon as it becomes practicable. I like and love Android. It is absolutely important to come to Android with an open mind and a readiness to deal with some lerning curve. No real handholding with Android compared to other platforms. There's also no one size fits all in Android land: There are a variety of toys to choose from depending on how much each person is willing to pay for an Android toy. You can begin your investigation of Android by visiting this site: www.inclusiveandroid.com There's also a book written by Ms. Ana Garza and Mr. James Meddaugh available from the National Braille Press. You also wrote: "Is there an Android email list?" Yes, there are quite a number of mailing lists for and about Android. The best one is setup by Google; it is hardly ever moderated, but several developers are on it. There is constant interaction between the user community and Talkback developers. It can be a very high traffic list; far too often, folks comparing Ios to Android bring on the noise! However, if you can look beyond the noise machines, there are so many knowledgeable folks on the mailing list that are willing to help an Android novice. One great thing about Android is that you can use any number of TTS engines; amongst them, Eloquence, Vocalizer, Voxygen, Speak TTS, Acapela and the list goes on. Typically, the default TTS on an Android device is Google TTS, but you can change it to whatever you like. To subscribe to the mailing list, please send a blank message to: eyes-free+subscr...@googlegroups.com Please note that Braille support in Android is not all that arrow sharp at the moment. However, several Braille notetakers and displays are supported using BrailleBack. You do not need any extra software in order to connect your Android toy to the computer and interact with it. Your toy will show up as another drive and you can move files back and forth between your Windows and your Android toy just as you would do using a flash drive or an SD card. I hope the foregoing is reasonably helpful; if you have any additional questions, please post in this space. Much thanks! Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Question About Android phone, Off Topic
Hi Bob, Yes, I am using an Android phone and because I got fed up with high cellular phone bills, I switched to the Google Fi cellular network. As far as the phone goes, I was surprised how easy it was to learn how to use the built-in screen reader called Talkback. In fact, when the annoouncement about the death of WE came out, I gave considerable thought about what I should do. I considered switching to the other screenreader but discounted that path because I think that in the not too distant future technology will bring to an end such screenreradrs. So, that left me where so many of us have wanted to be, finding and acceptable screenreader that is supported by the operating system creator. There are three choices: MS narrator, Apple Voiceover,and Android Talkback. I played around with voiceover but I was unahappy about the fact that I would have to have an Iphone and yoou know how expensive they have become. So, that left Android and there are many phones in all price ranges that you can use. I bought a very inexpensive Android Tablet with the goal in mind of learning how to use Talkback. I felt that if using the touch screen was to difficult, I would eat the $100 cost and consider it just an experiment. But, I was surprised that I quickly learned how to use the tablet with the keyboard first and then detaching it so as to use the touch screen. Actually, Before buying the tablet,I needed a new cell phone so after reading about Google Fi, I decided to try it since no contract was involved. I bought from Google the Nexus 5 and I have never looked back. I coud go on but probably by now you have had enough. But, if you have any other questions, let me know. Bernie On 12/26/2018 2:32 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote: > Anyone using an android phone"? If so, how do you like it? > > Is there an Android email list? Please reply off-list as this is > off-topic. > > -Bob Ringwald > r...@ringwald.com > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/bernie.perella%40outlook.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
