Re: Reading the Status Line in JAWS
does this work in the windows file explorer and the message list in wlm? -Original Message- From: Marten Post Uiterweer Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 10:42 AM To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Reading the Status Line in JAWS Hi, There is an sort of top / bottom index indication. I was searching for the same and I found an option. In the quick settings menu [ins-v] arrow down and press t until you have the option: top and bottom edge alert with space bar you can toggle between sound and silence. Silence is the default. In the quick settings menu, you can also fill in the word: top and press arrow down. Regards, Marten On Wed, 24 May 2017 06:43:34 -0700 Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote: I don't think jaws has the optionn of saying top and bottom when arrowing up and down a file list in windows explorer. -Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 2:21 PM To: Tom Kingston ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Reading the Status Line in JAWS Hi Tom, And so you're saying our beloved Window-Eyes developers took pains to allow these unique windows to share their treasures with their devoted users. (sniff) We really got burned, didn't we? Thanks, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk Sent: May 23, 2017 3:24 PM To: Carol and Roger ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Reading the Status Line in JAWS I haven't installed JAWS yet. But I assume the problem is that JAWS does not possess the elegant code Window-Eyes does to determine the logical status bar when there is no actual status bar, which is the case on the desktop and in Thunderbird. Obviously there's no status bar on the desktop. But in Thunderbird there is a window that looks and acts like a status bar, but it is not (technically speaking) a true status bar. It's a good example of the never-ending uphill battle screen-reader developers face. Windows has a specific status bar window that can be created and yet it is not uncommon for developers to just tack on another standard window that accomplishes the same purpose visually. Regards, Tom On 5/23/2017 1:30 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: > Thank you, but that was not the answer. The window is already > maximized. Ctrl-numpad page down says absolutely nothing. If I move to > my Carol folder, it says 465 items. If I am on the desktop, it says > 5/23/2017. If I select some random items from a folder, it then says x > number of items selected. It will read how many pages, words and some > percentage in Office Word. It will not read anything from Thunderbird > that should represent any type of status information. I can go back to > the main folder list in Thunderbird and get a number of how many unread > messages there are for all unread messages, but they are not broken into > different accounts. > > I have finished beating this dead horse, so I am walking off into the > sunset, grin! > > > Carol > > > On 5/23/2017 12:44 PM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote: >> Sometimes I find that the status lines only reads correctly when the >> window has been maximized. You might see if that helps in this case. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Steve >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On >> Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk >> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 6:10 AM >> To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> >> Subject: Re: Reading the Status Line in JAWS >> >> If the key is insert-page down, then I never have anything in the >> status >> line except for the file explorer. I am used to having a status line >> in >> Thunderbird that tells me how many messages there, how many are not >> read >> and in some cases, how many have been deleted. I have tried using both >> the insert-page down on the number pad and the ones on the six-pack. >> It >> says absolutely nothing. Oh yes, somethimes, when I am on the desktop, >> it will tell me either the date or the time, depending on what mood it >> is in, grin. Thanks for any suggestions. >> >> Carol >> >> >> On 5/22/2017 6:29 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: >>> Yes it's insert plus page down. On a desktop, it's insert plus the >>> numpad 3. >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Talk >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On >>> Behalf Of Tom Fairhurst via Talk >>> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 6:26 PM >>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List >>> Sub
Re: Reading the Status Line in JAWS
Hi, There is an sort of top / bottom index indication. I was searching for the same and I found an option. In the quick settings menu [ins-v] arrow down and press t until you have the option: top and bottom edge alert with space bar you can toggle between sound and silence. Silence is the default. In the quick settings menu, you can also fill in the word: top and press arrow down. Regards, Marten On Wed, 24 May 2017 06:43:34 -0700 Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote: > I don't think jaws has the optionn of saying top and bottom when arrowing up > and down a file list in windows explorer. > > -Original Message- > From: Rod Hutton via Talk > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 2:21 PM > To: Tom Kingston ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: RE: Reading the Status Line in JAWS > > Hi Tom, > > And so you're saying our beloved Window-Eyes developers took pains to allow > these unique windows to share their treasures with their devoted users. > (sniff) > We really got burned, didn't we? > > Thanks, > > Rod > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf > Of Tom Kingston via Talk > Sent: May 23, 2017 3:24 PM > To: Carol and Roger ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > > Subject: Re: Reading the Status Line in JAWS > > I haven't installed JAWS yet. But I assume the problem is that JAWS does > not possess the elegant code Window-Eyes does to determine the logical > status bar when there is no actual status bar, which is the case on the > desktop and in Thunderbird. > Obviously there's no status bar on the desktop. But in Thunderbird there > is a window that looks and acts like a status bar, but it is not > (technically speaking) a true status bar. > It's a good example of the never-ending uphill battle screen-reader > developers face. Windows has a specific status bar window that can be > created and yet it is not uncommon for developers to just tack on > another standard window that accomplishes the same purpose visually. > Regards, > Tom > > > On 5/23/2017 1:30 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: > > Thank you, but that was not the answer. The window is already > > maximized. Ctrl-numpad page down says absolutely nothing. If I move to > > my Carol folder, it says 465 items. If I am on the desktop, it says > > 5/23/2017. If I select some random items from a folder, it then says x > > number of items selected. It will read how many pages, words and some > > percentage in Office Word. It will not read anything from Thunderbird > > that should represent any type of status information. I can go back to > > the main folder list in Thunderbird and get a number of how many unread > > messages there are for all unread messages, but they are not broken into > > different accounts. > > > > I have finished beating this dead horse, so I am walking off into the > > sunset, grin! > > > > > > Carol > > > > > > On 5/23/2017 12:44 PM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote: > >> Sometimes I find that the status lines only reads correctly when the > >> window has been maximized. You might see if that helps in this case. > >> > >> Best regards, > >> > >> Steve > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Talk > >> [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On > >> Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk > >> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 6:10 AM > >> To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > >> > >> Subject: Re: Reading the Status Line in JAWS > >> > >> If the key is insert-page down, then I never have anything in the status > >> line except for the file explorer. I am used to having a status line in > >> Thunderbird that tells me how many messages there, how many are not read > >> and in some cases, how many have been deleted. I have tried using both > >> the insert-page down on the number pad and the ones on the six-pack. It > >> says absolutely nothing. Oh yes, somethimes, when I am on the desktop, > >> it will tell me either the date or the time, depending on what mood it > >> is in, grin. Thanks for any suggestions. > >> > >> Carol > >> > >> > >> On 5/22/2017 6:29 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: > >>> Yes it's insert plus page down. On a desktop, it's insert plus the > >>> numpad 3. > >>> > >>> > >>> -Original Message- > >>> From: Talk > >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowl
Re: Reading the Status Line in JAWS
I don't think jaws has the optionn of saying top and bottom when arrowing up and down a file list in windows explorer. -Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 2:21 PM To: Tom Kingston ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Reading the Status Line in JAWS Hi Tom, And so you're saying our beloved Window-Eyes developers took pains to allow these unique windows to share their treasures with their devoted users. (sniff) We really got burned, didn't we? Thanks, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk Sent: May 23, 2017 3:24 PM To: Carol and Roger ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Reading the Status Line in JAWS I haven't installed JAWS yet. But I assume the problem is that JAWS does not possess the elegant code Window-Eyes does to determine the logical status bar when there is no actual status bar, which is the case on the desktop and in Thunderbird. Obviously there's no status bar on the desktop. But in Thunderbird there is a window that looks and acts like a status bar, but it is not (technically speaking) a true status bar. It's a good example of the never-ending uphill battle screen-reader developers face. Windows has a specific status bar window that can be created and yet it is not uncommon for developers to just tack on another standard window that accomplishes the same purpose visually. Regards, Tom On 5/23/2017 1:30 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: Thank you, but that was not the answer. The window is already maximized. Ctrl-numpad page down says absolutely nothing. If I move to my Carol folder, it says 465 items. If I am on the desktop, it says 5/23/2017. If I select some random items from a folder, it then says x number of items selected. It will read how many pages, words and some percentage in Office Word. It will not read anything from Thunderbird that should represent any type of status information. I can go back to the main folder list in Thunderbird and get a number of how many unread messages there are for all unread messages, but they are not broken into different accounts. I have finished beating this dead horse, so I am walking off into the sunset, grin! Carol On 5/23/2017 12:44 PM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote: Sometimes I find that the status lines only reads correctly when the window has been maximized. You might see if that helps in this case. Best regards, Steve -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 6:10 AM To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Reading the Status Line in JAWS If the key is insert-page down, then I never have anything in the status line except for the file explorer. I am used to having a status line in Thunderbird that tells me how many messages there, how many are not read and in some cases, how many have been deleted. I have tried using both the insert-page down on the number pad and the ones on the six-pack. It says absolutely nothing. Oh yes, somethimes, when I am on the desktop, it will tell me either the date or the time, depending on what mood it is in, grin. Thanks for any suggestions. Carol On 5/22/2017 6:29 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: Yes it's insert plus page down. On a desktop, it's insert plus the numpad 3. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fairhurst via Talk Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 6:26 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Fw: Reading the Status Line in JAWS From: Tom Fairhurst Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 3:07 PM To: talk-requ...@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Reading the Status Line in JAWS Is there a JAWS equivalent for reading the status line in a window in MS Word or other programs? Reading the top or bottom line doesn’t give enough information. If one can’t identify the cursor position, using MS Word is almost impossible. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/carogsmith%40embarqmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-ey
Re: Reading the Status Line in JAWS
Nick, The status bar is essentially an information window in many programs. For example, in most editors of any type, from Notepad to Word, it gives you things like the current line, column, and page. In Thunderbird it says how many messages I have in the current folder and how many are unread. In Explorer it says how many items (files and folders) are in the current folder and how many are selected. In a development environment I use it gives a quick tip for the command I just typed. Hth, Tom On 5/23/2017 9:23 PM, Nick Sarames wrote: Off topic, but can you explain the purpose (or reason) of reading the status line? On 5/23/2017 3:23 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: I haven't installed JAWS yet. But I assume the problem is that JAWS does not possess the elegant code Window-Eyes does to determine the logical status bar when there is no actual status bar, which is the case on the desktop and in Thunderbird. Obviously there's no status bar on the desktop. But in Thunderbird there is a window that looks and acts like a status bar, but it is not (technically speaking) a true status bar. It's a good example of the never-ending uphill battle screen-reader developers face. Windows has a specific status bar window that can be created and yet it is not uncommon for developers to just tack on another standard window that accomplishes the same purpose visually. Regards, Tom On 5/23/2017 1:30 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: Thank you, but that was not the answer. The window is already maximized. Ctrl-numpad page down says absolutely nothing. If I move to my Carol folder, it says 465 items. If I am on the desktop, it says 5/23/2017. If I select some random items from a folder, it then says x number of items selected. It will read how many pages, words and some percentage in Office Word. It will not read anything from Thunderbird that should represent any type of status information. I can go back to the main folder list in Thunderbird and get a number of how many unread messages there are for all unread messages, but they are not broken into different accounts. I have finished beating this dead horse, so I am walking off into the sunset, grin! Carol On 5/23/2017 12:44 PM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote: Sometimes I find that the status lines only reads correctly when the window has been maximized. You might see if that helps in this case. Best regards, Steve -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 6:10 AM To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Reading the Status Line in JAWS If the key is insert-page down, then I never have anything in the status line except for the file explorer. I am used to having a status line in Thunderbird that tells me how many messages there, how many are not read and in some cases, how many have been deleted. I have tried using both the insert-page down on the number pad and the ones on the six-pack. It says absolutely nothing. Oh yes, somethimes, when I am on the desktop, it will tell me either the date or the time, depending on what mood it is in, grin. Thanks for any suggestions. Carol On 5/22/2017 6:29 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: Yes it's insert plus page down. On a desktop, it's insert plus the numpad 3. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fairhurst via Talk Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 6:26 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Fw: Reading the Status Line in JAWS From: Tom Fairhurst Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 3:07 PM To: talk-requ...@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Reading the Status Line in JAWS Is there a JAWS equivalent for reading the status line in a window in MS Word or other programs? Reading the top or bottom line doesn’t give enough information. If one can’t identify the cursor position, using MS Word is almost impossible. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/carogsmith%40embarqmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private
Re: Reading the Status Line in JAWS
Off topic, but can you explain the purpose (or reason) of reading the status line? On 5/23/2017 3:23 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: > I haven't installed JAWS yet. But I assume the problem is that JAWS does > not possess the elegant code Window-Eyes does to determine the logical > status bar when there is no actual status bar, which is the case on the > desktop and in Thunderbird. > Obviously there's no status bar on the desktop. But in Thunderbird there > is a window that looks and acts like a status bar, but it is not > (technically speaking) a true status bar. > It's a good example of the never-ending uphill battle screen-reader > developers face. Windows has a specific status bar window that can be > created and yet it is not uncommon for developers to just tack on > another standard window that accomplishes the same purpose visually. > Regards, > Tom > > > On 5/23/2017 1:30 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: >> Thank you, but that was not the answer. The window is already >> maximized. Ctrl-numpad page down says absolutely nothing. If I move to >> my Carol folder, it says 465 items. If I am on the desktop, it says >> 5/23/2017. If I select some random items from a folder, it then says x >> number of items selected. It will read how many pages, words and some >> percentage in Office Word. It will not read anything from Thunderbird >> that should represent any type of status information. I can go back to >> the main folder list in Thunderbird and get a number of how many unread >> messages there are for all unread messages, but they are not broken into >> different accounts. >> >> I have finished beating this dead horse, so I am walking off into the >> sunset, grin! >> >> >> Carol >> >> >> On 5/23/2017 12:44 PM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote: >>> Sometimes I find that the status lines only reads correctly when the >>> window has been maximized. You might see if that helps in this case. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Talk >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On >>> Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 6:10 AM >>> To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >>> >>> Subject: Re: Reading the Status Line in JAWS >>> >>> If the key is insert-page down, then I never have anything in the status >>> line except for the file explorer. I am used to having a status line in >>> Thunderbird that tells me how many messages there, how many are not read >>> and in some cases, how many have been deleted. I have tried using both >>> the insert-page down on the number pad and the ones on the six-pack. It >>> says absolutely nothing. Oh yes, somethimes, when I am on the desktop, >>> it will tell me either the date or the time, depending on what mood it >>> is in, grin. Thanks for any suggestions. >>> >>> Carol >>> >>> >>> On 5/22/2017 6:29 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: >>>> Yes it's insert plus page down. On a desktop, it's insert plus the >>>> numpad 3. >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: Talk >>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On >>>> Behalf Of Tom Fairhurst via Talk >>>> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 6:26 PM >>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List >>>> Subject: Fw: Reading the Status Line in JAWS >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Tom Fairhurst >>>> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 3:07 PM >>>> To: talk-requ...@lists.window-eyes.com >>>> Subject: Reading the Status Line in JAWS >>>> >>>> Is there a JAWS equivalent for reading the status line in a window in >>>> MS Word or other programs? Reading the top or bottom line doesn’t >>>> give enough information. If one can’t identify the cursor position, >>>> using MS Word is almost impossible. >>>> ___ >>>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >>>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>>> >>>> For membership options, visit >>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> For subscription options, visit >&
RE: Reading the Status Line in JAWS
Speaking of elegance of code, when using the Bard Express program (a program from NLS that makes using BARD even easier), Window-Eyes has the most robust support for it. JAWS does read all the information, but, not the column headings. NVDA reads the column headings, but, truncates the information (like the annotation of the book, and anything longer than the displayed text). Narrator doesn’t perform well with it either, but, can’t remember the exact behavior. SuperNova also doesn’t perform too well with it either. Oh, yes, Window-Eyes also reads both progress and status information beautifully with this program. There were things GW needed to play catch-up on, but, this is true with JAWS. Window-Eyes obviously has a better handle on the system tray, going beyond what is actually visible on the screen, whereas JAWS, as many have already observed, only reads what is visible. The folks at GW were working on the OCR aspect, but, JAWS handles it pretty well, even letting you do mouse clicks if you need them. If development had continued, I have no doubt that WE would have eventually developed it. Maybe the folks at VFO can learn from some of the Window-Eyes features. After all, I presume they have the source code. Maybe some of its features can still be incorporated into JAWS. As many have also observed, Window-Eyes has a better handle on handling progress bars, even giving you options on how much, and the kind of feedback you can get on progress and scroll bars. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Tom Kingston via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 3:23 PM To: Carol and Roger; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Reading the Status Line in JAWS I haven't installed JAWS yet. But I assume the problem is that JAWS does not possess the elegant code Window-Eyes does to determine the logical status bar when there is no actual status bar, which is the case on the desktop and in Thunderbird. Obviously there's no status bar on the desktop. But in Thunderbird there is a window that looks and acts like a status bar, but it is not (technically speaking) a true status bar. It's a good example of the never-ending uphill battle screen-reader developers face. Windows has a specific status bar window that can be created and yet it is not uncommon for developers to just tack on another standard window that accomplishes the same purpose visually. Regards, Tom On 5/23/2017 1:30 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: > Thank you, but that was not the answer. The window is already > maximized. Ctrl-numpad page down says absolutely nothing. If I move to > my Carol folder, it says 465 items. If I am on the desktop, it says > 5/23/2017. If I select some random items from a folder, it then says x > number of items selected. It will read how many pages, words and some > percentage in Office Word. It will not read anything from Thunderbird > that should represent any type of status information. I can go back to > the main folder list in Thunderbird and get a number of how many unread > messages there are for all unread messages, but they are not broken into > different accounts. > > I have finished beating this dead horse, so I am walking off into the > sunset, grin! > > > Carol > > > On 5/23/2017 12:44 PM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote: >> Sometimes I find that the status lines only reads correctly when the >> window has been maximized. You might see if that helps in this case. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Steve >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On >> Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk >> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 6:10 AM >> To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> >> Subject: Re: Reading the Status Line in JAWS >> >> If the key is insert-page down, then I never have anything in the status >> line except for the file explorer. I am used to having a status line in >> Thunderbird that tells me how many messages there, how many are not read >> and in some cases, how many have been deleted. I have tried using both >> the insert-page down on the number pad and the ones on the six-pack. It >> says absolutely nothing. Oh yes, somethimes, when I am on the desktop, >> it will tell me either the date or the time, depending on what mood it >> is in, grin. Thanks for any suggestions. >> >> Carol >> >> >> On 5/22/2017 6:29 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: >>> Yes it's insert plus page down. On a desktop, it's insert plus the >>> numpad 3. >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Talk >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On >>> Behalf Of T
RE: Reading the Status Line in JAWS
Hi Tom, And so you're saying our beloved Window-Eyes developers took pains to allow these unique windows to share their treasures with their devoted users. (sniff) We really got burned, didn't we? Thanks, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk Sent: May 23, 2017 3:24 PM To: Carol and Roger ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Reading the Status Line in JAWS I haven't installed JAWS yet. But I assume the problem is that JAWS does not possess the elegant code Window-Eyes does to determine the logical status bar when there is no actual status bar, which is the case on the desktop and in Thunderbird. Obviously there's no status bar on the desktop. But in Thunderbird there is a window that looks and acts like a status bar, but it is not (technically speaking) a true status bar. It's a good example of the never-ending uphill battle screen-reader developers face. Windows has a specific status bar window that can be created and yet it is not uncommon for developers to just tack on another standard window that accomplishes the same purpose visually. Regards, Tom On 5/23/2017 1:30 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: > Thank you, but that was not the answer. The window is already > maximized. Ctrl-numpad page down says absolutely nothing. If I move to > my Carol folder, it says 465 items. If I am on the desktop, it says > 5/23/2017. If I select some random items from a folder, it then says x > number of items selected. It will read how many pages, words and some > percentage in Office Word. It will not read anything from Thunderbird > that should represent any type of status information. I can go back to > the main folder list in Thunderbird and get a number of how many unread > messages there are for all unread messages, but they are not broken into > different accounts. > > I have finished beating this dead horse, so I am walking off into the > sunset, grin! > > > Carol > > > On 5/23/2017 12:44 PM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote: >> Sometimes I find that the status lines only reads correctly when the >> window has been maximized. You might see if that helps in this case. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Steve >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On >> Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk >> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 6:10 AM >> To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> >> Subject: Re: Reading the Status Line in JAWS >> >> If the key is insert-page down, then I never have anything in the status >> line except for the file explorer. I am used to having a status line in >> Thunderbird that tells me how many messages there, how many are not read >> and in some cases, how many have been deleted. I have tried using both >> the insert-page down on the number pad and the ones on the six-pack. It >> says absolutely nothing. Oh yes, somethimes, when I am on the desktop, >> it will tell me either the date or the time, depending on what mood it >> is in, grin. Thanks for any suggestions. >> >> Carol >> >> >> On 5/22/2017 6:29 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: >>> Yes it's insert plus page down. On a desktop, it's insert plus the >>> numpad 3. >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Talk >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On >>> Behalf Of Tom Fairhurst via Talk >>> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 6:26 PM >>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List >>> Subject: Fw: Reading the Status Line in JAWS >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Tom Fairhurst >>> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 3:07 PM >>> To: talk-requ...@lists.window-eyes.com >>> Subject: Reading the Status Line in JAWS >>> >>> Is there a JAWS equivalent for reading the status line in a window in >>> MS Word or other programs? Reading the top or bottom line doesn’t >>> give enough information. If one can’t identify the cursor position, >>> using MS Word is almost impossible. >>> ___ >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>> >>> For membership options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com. >>> >>> For subscription options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>
Re: Reading the Status Line in JAWS
I haven't installed JAWS yet. But I assume the problem is that JAWS does not possess the elegant code Window-Eyes does to determine the logical status bar when there is no actual status bar, which is the case on the desktop and in Thunderbird. Obviously there's no status bar on the desktop. But in Thunderbird there is a window that looks and acts like a status bar, but it is not (technically speaking) a true status bar. It's a good example of the never-ending uphill battle screen-reader developers face. Windows has a specific status bar window that can be created and yet it is not uncommon for developers to just tack on another standard window that accomplishes the same purpose visually. Regards, Tom On 5/23/2017 1:30 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: Thank you, but that was not the answer. The window is already maximized. Ctrl-numpad page down says absolutely nothing. If I move to my Carol folder, it says 465 items. If I am on the desktop, it says 5/23/2017. If I select some random items from a folder, it then says x number of items selected. It will read how many pages, words and some percentage in Office Word. It will not read anything from Thunderbird that should represent any type of status information. I can go back to the main folder list in Thunderbird and get a number of how many unread messages there are for all unread messages, but they are not broken into different accounts. I have finished beating this dead horse, so I am walking off into the sunset, grin! Carol On 5/23/2017 12:44 PM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote: Sometimes I find that the status lines only reads correctly when the window has been maximized. You might see if that helps in this case. Best regards, Steve -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 6:10 AM To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Reading the Status Line in JAWS If the key is insert-page down, then I never have anything in the status line except for the file explorer. I am used to having a status line in Thunderbird that tells me how many messages there, how many are not read and in some cases, how many have been deleted. I have tried using both the insert-page down on the number pad and the ones on the six-pack. It says absolutely nothing. Oh yes, somethimes, when I am on the desktop, it will tell me either the date or the time, depending on what mood it is in, grin. Thanks for any suggestions. Carol On 5/22/2017 6:29 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: Yes it's insert plus page down. On a desktop, it's insert plus the numpad 3. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fairhurst via Talk Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 6:26 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Fw: Reading the Status Line in JAWS From: Tom Fairhurst Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 3:07 PM To: talk-requ...@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Reading the Status Line in JAWS Is there a JAWS equivalent for reading the status line in a window in MS Word or other programs? Reading the top or bottom line doesn’t give enough information. If one can’t identify the cursor position, using MS Word is almost impossible. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/carogsmith%40embarqmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/steve.jacobson%40visi.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared
Re: Reading the Status Line in JAWS
Thank you, but that was not the answer. The window is already maximized. Ctrl-numpad page down says absolutely nothing. If I move to my Carol folder, it says 465 items. If I am on the desktop, it says 5/23/2017. If I select some random items from a folder, it then says x number of items selected. It will read how many pages, words and some percentage in Office Word. It will not read anything from Thunderbird that should represent any type of status information. I can go back to the main folder list in Thunderbird and get a number of how many unread messages there are for all unread messages, but they are not broken into different accounts. I have finished beating this dead horse, so I am walking off into the sunset, grin! Carol On 5/23/2017 12:44 PM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote: Sometimes I find that the status lines only reads correctly when the window has been maximized. You might see if that helps in this case. Best regards, Steve -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 6:10 AM To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Reading the Status Line in JAWS If the key is insert-page down, then I never have anything in the status line except for the file explorer. I am used to having a status line in Thunderbird that tells me how many messages there, how many are not read and in some cases, how many have been deleted. I have tried using both the insert-page down on the number pad and the ones on the six-pack. It says absolutely nothing. Oh yes, somethimes, when I am on the desktop, it will tell me either the date or the time, depending on what mood it is in, grin. Thanks for any suggestions. Carol On 5/22/2017 6:29 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: Yes it's insert plus page down. On a desktop, it's insert plus the numpad 3. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fairhurst via Talk Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 6:26 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Fw: Reading the Status Line in JAWS From: Tom Fairhurst Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 3:07 PM To: talk-requ...@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Reading the Status Line in JAWS Is there a JAWS equivalent for reading the status line in a window in MS Word or other programs? Reading the top or bottom line doesn’t give enough information. If one can’t identify the cursor position, using MS Word is almost impossible. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/carogsmith%40embarqmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/steve.jacobson%40visi.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/carogsmith%40embarqmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://li
RE: Reading the Status Line in JAWS
Sometimes I find that the status lines only reads correctly when the window has been maximized. You might see if that helps in this case. Best regards, Steve -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 6:10 AM To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Reading the Status Line in JAWS If the key is insert-page down, then I never have anything in the status line except for the file explorer. I am used to having a status line in Thunderbird that tells me how many messages there, how many are not read and in some cases, how many have been deleted. I have tried using both the insert-page down on the number pad and the ones on the six-pack. It says absolutely nothing. Oh yes, somethimes, when I am on the desktop, it will tell me either the date or the time, depending on what mood it is in, grin. Thanks for any suggestions. Carol On 5/22/2017 6:29 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: > Yes it's insert plus page down. On a desktop, it's insert plus the numpad 3. > > > -Original Message- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On > Behalf Of Tom Fairhurst via Talk > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 6:26 PM > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Fw: Reading the Status Line in JAWS > > > > From: Tom Fairhurst > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 3:07 PM > To: talk-requ...@lists.window-eyes.com > Subject: Reading the Status Line in JAWS > > Is there a JAWS equivalent for reading the status line in a window in MS Word > or other programs? Reading the top or bottom line doesn’t give enough > information. If one can’t identify the cursor position, using MS Word is > almost impossible. > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/carogsmith%40embarqmail.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/steve.jacobson%40visi.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Reading the Status Line in JAWS
If the key is insert-page down, then I never have anything in the status line except for the file explorer. I am used to having a status line in Thunderbird that tells me how many messages there, how many are not read and in some cases, how many have been deleted. I have tried using both the insert-page down on the number pad and the ones on the six-pack. It says absolutely nothing. Oh yes, somethimes, when I am on the desktop, it will tell me either the date or the time, depending on what mood it is in, grin. Thanks for any suggestions. Carol On 5/22/2017 6:29 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: Yes it's insert plus page down. On a desktop, it's insert plus the numpad 3. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fairhurst via Talk Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 6:26 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Fw: Reading the Status Line in JAWS From: Tom Fairhurst Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 3:07 PM To: talk-requ...@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Reading the Status Line in JAWS Is there a JAWS equivalent for reading the status line in a window in MS Word or other programs? Reading the top or bottom line doesn’t give enough information. If one can’t identify the cursor position, using MS Word is almost impossible. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/carogsmith%40embarqmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Reading the Status Line in JAWS
Yes it's insert plus page down. On a desktop, it's insert plus the numpad 3. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fairhurst via Talk Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 6:26 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Fw: Reading the Status Line in JAWS From: Tom Fairhurst Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 3:07 PM To: talk-requ...@lists.window-eyes.com Subject: Reading the Status Line in JAWS Is there a JAWS equivalent for reading the status line in a window in MS Word or other programs? Reading the top or bottom line doesn’t give enough information. If one can’t identify the cursor position, using MS Word is almost impossible. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
