RE: Windows 10 accessibility
As have I been monitoring windows 10 changes being I am an insider. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+desyreev=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 3:47 PM To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility And we should hold them accountable, most definitely. But they have been making changes, and I have been monitoring those changes quite closely. It's part of my job description. Sent from my iPhone > On May 11, 2016, at 5:37 PM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote: > > I'm expecting Microsoft to be held to account at the two big conventions later this year. Lots of hand wringing a year ago when MS said "sorry" for not making Edge accessible - for how long can they stay "sorry?" > > Vaughan. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com > ] On Behalf Of net bat via Talk > Sent: Thursday, 12 May 2016 9:33 a.m. > To: RJ Sandefur; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility > > when it does come out i will not upgrade if i can stop it. > some of there so called improvements is to block all browsers from being used in the search engines. no matter what browser you have as the default it will use edge. > unless someone comes out with a hack to stop this from happening. > http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cos > t-expensive-secret/#2c69d01d403f > > > http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cos > t-expensive-secret/#2c69d01d403f > > -Original Message- > From: RJ Sandefur via Talk > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 1:00 PM > To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility > > They're coming out with a major update in July from what I've read. RJ > > >> On 5/11/2016 3:47 PM, Don H via Talk wrote: >> It is coming up on a year since Win 10 was released and still the new >> Edge browser isn't accessible. Makes you wonder if Microsoft is >> really making its products fully accessible in a reasonable amount of time. >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/manbatsandefur %40outlook.com. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comca st.net. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/vaughan.dodd00 1%40msd.govt.nz. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > --- > This email and any attachments may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this email and attachments is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the author immediately and erase all copies of the email and attachments. The Ministry of Social Development accepts no responsibility for changes made to this message or attachments after transmission from the Ministry. > > --- > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn .com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/l
RE: Windows 10 accessibility
Marvin, I agree and some people need to calm down big time. Darrell Bowles (excuse me for misspelling your last name) said it well as well. We don't always know what might be happening in the background so jumping to conclusions based on misinformation is not a good idea. Please take the general discussion and fear mongering off this list. Thanks. Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA, karyn1...@gmail.com and likely Viper Antivirus on both machines. Using WE 9.4 on HP Pavilion running Windows 10 with Office 2013 and I.E. 11 as well as Assuss convertible laptop running Windows 10 with Office 2013 and I.E. 11 as default browser and Viper Antivirus on boht machines. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Windows 10 accessibility
Then use your delete key -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Marvin Commerford via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 9:34 PM To: Tom Kingston; Window-Eyes Discussion List; Pamela Dominguez Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility I'm missing how this whole flipping thread is directly related to Window-Eyes! Is this the WE discussion list or a general Windows list now? It would realy be great to read about how users are working with WinX and Window-Eyes. Reading about how someone won't upgrade no matter what is honestly a total waste of time. Put that stuff on Facebook. On 5/12/2016 3:09 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: > I must be missing something. What exactly is it that you folks want to > keep out of date? > > Regards, > Tom > > > > On 5/12/2016 3:43 PM, Pamela Dominguez wrote: >> The key word is defer. That means you can stop them for now, but >> they will try again later. Pam. >> >> -Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk >> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 2:23 PM >> To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility >> >> Dennis, >> >> You can defer updates on Windows 10 Pro. >> You can disable the search box. >> I've yet to hear of anyone actually having a program uninstalled by >> Microsoft. And they only do it for pirated programs, which pirates >> deserve. But yes, in principle I agree with you. Then again, I was >> sickened by Apple's stance on privacy and refusing not to open a dead >> terrorist's phone, which he did not even own. So principles have >> their limitations. >> Virtually all of the privacy issues can be disabled. >> >> I'm not a fan of what Microsoft has done. But in many ways they're >> really only catching up with Apple, Google, and other providers who >> track every move we make, scan our email, and so on. Conversely, >> Windows >> 10 is more secure and fine-tuned for new processors, solid state >> drives, etc. >> >> Regards, >> Tom >> >> >> On 5/12/2016 2:00 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: >>> First I don't like microsoft automatically installs updates I want >>> the control to decide what does and doesn't get installed. Second I >>> have the search box disabled in windows 7 don't want it. I also >>> don't like that MS can go in and remotely remove a program. What if >>> they remove a valid >>> program. I also don't like the privacy concerns.When these issues >>> are >>> resolved to my satisfaction then and only then will I look at >>> windows 10. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Talk >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] >>> On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk >>> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 1:50 PM >>> To: drlineber...@embarqmail.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >>> Subject: RE: Windows 10 accessibility >>> >>> Rebekah >>> I'd like to talk to you off list, as I like the way you think. >>> *smiles* >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Talk >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On >>> Behalf Of Rebecca Lineberger via Talk >>> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 1:45 PM >>> To: 'Tom Kingston' ; Window-Eyes >>> Discussion List >>> Subject: RE: Windows 10 accessibility >>> >>> This is not in any way meant as a criticism, but as has already been >>> pointed out, I think people's fear of Windows 10 is based on >>> misinformation. >>> There's so much of that floating around, despite resources on >>> Bookshare and Google. There are many people on this List who are >>> successfully, and happily, using Windows 10. It's not as if >>> Microsoft is making us pay for the upgrade! It's free for Heaven's >>> sake! IE11, Firefox and Chrome are still there, so access to the >>> internet will stay the same, as will word >>> processors and e-mail programs. "My Computer" or "Computer" is now >>> called >>> "This PC". So? There are so many options that allow a person to >>> configure settings, the Start screen and menu, the Search box, the >>> Taskbar, This PC... >>> The Desktop is still there. Privacy settings and Cortana can be >>> turned off, indeed, Cortana is not available with all the
Re: Windows 10 accessibility
I'm missing how this whole flipping thread is directly related to Window-Eyes! Is this the WE discussion list or a general Windows list now? It would realy be great to read about how users are working with WinX and Window-Eyes. Reading about how someone won't upgrade no matter what is honestly a total waste of time. Put that stuff on Facebook. On 5/12/2016 3:09 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: I must be missing something. What exactly is it that you folks want to keep out of date? Regards, Tom On 5/12/2016 3:43 PM, Pamela Dominguez wrote: The key word is defer. That means you can stop them for now, but they will try again later. Pam. -Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 2:23 PM To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility Dennis, You can defer updates on Windows 10 Pro. You can disable the search box. I've yet to hear of anyone actually having a program uninstalled by Microsoft. And they only do it for pirated programs, which pirates deserve. But yes, in principle I agree with you. Then again, I was sickened by Apple's stance on privacy and refusing not to open a dead terrorist's phone, which he did not even own. So principles have their limitations. Virtually all of the privacy issues can be disabled. I'm not a fan of what Microsoft has done. But in many ways they're really only catching up with Apple, Google, and other providers who track every move we make, scan our email, and so on. Conversely, Windows 10 is more secure and fine-tuned for new processors, solid state drives, etc. Regards, Tom On 5/12/2016 2:00 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: First I don't like microsoft automatically installs updates I want the control to decide what does and doesn't get installed. Second I have the search box disabled in windows 7 don't want it. I also don't like that MS can go in and remotely remove a program. What if they remove a valid program. I also don't like the privacy concerns.When these issues are resolved to my satisfaction then and only then will I look at windows 10. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 1:50 PM To: drlineber...@embarqmail.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Windows 10 accessibility Rebekah I'd like to talk to you off list, as I like the way you think. *smiles* -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Rebecca Lineberger via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 1:45 PM To: 'Tom Kingston' ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Windows 10 accessibility This is not in any way meant as a criticism, but as has already been pointed out, I think people's fear of Windows 10 is based on misinformation. There's so much of that floating around, despite resources on Bookshare and Google. There are many people on this List who are successfully, and happily, using Windows 10. It's not as if Microsoft is making us pay for the upgrade! It's free for Heaven's sake! IE11, Firefox and Chrome are still there, so access to the internet will stay the same, as will word processors and e-mail programs. "My Computer" or "Computer" is now called "This PC". So? There are so many options that allow a person to configure settings, the Start screen and menu, the Search box, the Taskbar, This PC... The Desktop is still there. Privacy settings and Cortana can be turned off, indeed, Cortana is not available with all the privacy settings turned off so that Microsoft cannot get its eyes, ears and fingers into the computer.. I had sighted help for the actual upgrade, and I did ask my tech to take off all the stuff on the right side of the Start screen, only because he could do it far faster with the mouse than I could with the keyboard. When I called the Microsoft Disability Desk with a question about something, the guy commented that my screen looked exactly like Windows 7, which is how I want it. If I have to tab or arrow around five times to get to something on the right side of the screen, that's not an efficient use of my time. Get it off my screen! Smile. If someone does not know where something is, or what it's called precisely, the Search box is a wonderful resource. Google is still my Home Page, and Google is still my Search Engine. And the Search box on the Start Menu in Windows 10 can be set to exclude the internet, so do I care if Microsoft uses Bing to bring up internet results. If I want the Internet, I go to my Google Home Page and ask Google. Smile. A sighted person may want Cortana, but Window-Eyes already talks to me! Edge is not yet accessible, but as someone pointed out, there are three other Browsers to choose
Re: Windows 10 accessibility
Agree Tony! I have been running Windows 10 for nearly 2 months now, and have found it by far to be the best release of windows thus far! Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and having said that mine is that with a few exceptions windows 10 has worked flawlessly. As I stated each is entitled to his or her own opinion and I have stated mine. But seriously. I did have a friend help me set up windows 10 and I placed it onto a new 1 GB HD. Maybe thatis part of the reason I am having no trouble, I placed it onto a brand new HD with absolutely nothing on it. Jus my 2 sense worth for whatever that may be worth..? Catch Ya Later! de . On 12-May-16 14:16, Tony C via Talk wrote: I'm using Windows 10, and it's smoother than 7 or 8 was. It's a bit different and takes so "learning" new things but... -Original Message- From: Rebecca Lineberger via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 12:44 PM To: 'Tom Kingston' ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Windows 10 accessibility This is not in any way meant as a criticism, but as has already been pointed out, I think people's fear of Windows 10 is based on misinformation. There's so much of that floating around, despite resources on Bookshare and Google. There are many people on this List who are successfully, and happily, using Windows 10. It's not as if Microsoft is making us pay for the upgrade! It's free for Heaven's sake! IE11, Firefox and Chrome are still there, so access to the internet will stay the same, as will word processors and e-mail programs. "My Computer" or "Computer" is now called "This PC". So? There are so many options that allow a person to configure settings, the Start screen and menu, the Search box, the Taskbar, This PC... The Desktop is still there. Privacy settings and Cortana can be turned off, indeed, Cortana is not available with all the privacy settings turned off so that Microsoft cannot get its eyes, ears and fingers into the computer.. I had sighted help for the actual upgrade, and I did ask my tech to take off all the stuff on the right side of the Start screen, only because he could do it far faster with the mouse than I could with the keyboard. When I called the Microsoft Disability Desk with a question about something, the guy commented that my screen looked exactly like Windows 7, which is how I want it. If I have to tab or arrow around five times to get to something on the right side of the screen, that's not an efficient use of my time. Get it off my screen! Smile. If someone does not know where something is, or what it's called precisely, the Search box is a wonderful resource. Google is still my Home Page, and Google is still my Search Engine. And the Search box on the Start Menu in Windows 10 can be set to exclude the internet, so do I care if Microsoft uses Bing to bring up internet results. If I want the Internet, I go to my Google Home Page and ask Google. Smile. A sighted person may want Cortana, but Window-Eyes already talks to me! Edge is not yet accessible, but as someone pointed out, there are three other Browsers to choose from. JMO. Smile. Rebecca -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+drlineberger=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 12:31 PM Microsoft was stopped *in court* many years ago from forcing its browser on us. So it's not going to happen no matter what the fear mongers say. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40mediacombb.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/wohlggie%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Windows 10 accessibility
I must be missing something. What exactly is it that you folks want to keep out of date? Regards, Tom On 5/12/2016 3:43 PM, Pamela Dominguez wrote: The key word is defer. That means you can stop them for now, but they will try again later. Pam. -Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 2:23 PM To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility Dennis, You can defer updates on Windows 10 Pro. You can disable the search box. I've yet to hear of anyone actually having a program uninstalled by Microsoft. And they only do it for pirated programs, which pirates deserve. But yes, in principle I agree with you. Then again, I was sickened by Apple's stance on privacy and refusing not to open a dead terrorist's phone, which he did not even own. So principles have their limitations. Virtually all of the privacy issues can be disabled. I'm not a fan of what Microsoft has done. But in many ways they're really only catching up with Apple, Google, and other providers who track every move we make, scan our email, and so on. Conversely, Windows 10 is more secure and fine-tuned for new processors, solid state drives, etc. Regards, Tom On 5/12/2016 2:00 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: First I don't like microsoft automatically installs updates I want the control to decide what does and doesn't get installed. Second I have the search box disabled in windows 7 don't want it. I also don't like that MS can go in and remotely remove a program. What if they remove a valid program. I also don't like the privacy concerns.When these issues are resolved to my satisfaction then and only then will I look at windows 10. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 1:50 PM To: drlineber...@embarqmail.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Windows 10 accessibility Rebekah I'd like to talk to you off list, as I like the way you think. *smiles* -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Rebecca Lineberger via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 1:45 PM To: 'Tom Kingston' ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Windows 10 accessibility This is not in any way meant as a criticism, but as has already been pointed out, I think people's fear of Windows 10 is based on misinformation. There's so much of that floating around, despite resources on Bookshare and Google. There are many people on this List who are successfully, and happily, using Windows 10. It's not as if Microsoft is making us pay for the upgrade! It's free for Heaven's sake! IE11, Firefox and Chrome are still there, so access to the internet will stay the same, as will word processors and e-mail programs. "My Computer" or "Computer" is now called "This PC". So? There are so many options that allow a person to configure settings, the Start screen and menu, the Search box, the Taskbar, This PC... The Desktop is still there. Privacy settings and Cortana can be turned off, indeed, Cortana is not available with all the privacy settings turned off so that Microsoft cannot get its eyes, ears and fingers into the computer.. I had sighted help for the actual upgrade, and I did ask my tech to take off all the stuff on the right side of the Start screen, only because he could do it far faster with the mouse than I could with the keyboard. When I called the Microsoft Disability Desk with a question about something, the guy commented that my screen looked exactly like Windows 7, which is how I want it. If I have to tab or arrow around five times to get to something on the right side of the screen, that's not an efficient use of my time. Get it off my screen! Smile. If someone does not know where something is, or what it's called precisely, the Search box is a wonderful resource. Google is still my Home Page, and Google is still my Search Engine. And the Search box on the Start Menu in Windows 10 can be set to exclude the internet, so do I care if Microsoft uses Bing to bring up internet results. If I want the Internet, I go to my Google Home Page and ask Google. Smile. A sighted person may want Cortana, but Window-Eyes already talks to me! Edge is not yet accessible, but as someone pointed out, there are three other Browsers to choose from. JMO. Smile. Rebecca -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+drlineberger=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 12:31 PM Microsoft was stopped *in court* many years ago from forcing its browser on us. So it's not going to happen no matter what the fear mongers say. ___ A
Re: Windows 10 accessibility
Hmmm, that kind of sounds like the way Facebook does things. Think you're Privacy settings are the way you like them? Well, maybe, until the next time Facebook makes a change that is, then you have to do it all over again. Evan -Original Message- From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 3:38 PM To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility Yes, and about the updates and the privacy issues: it has been said that even if you turn them off, eventually, they turn back on. Pam. -Original Message- From: Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 2:00 PM To: 'Darrell Bowles' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Windows 10 accessibility First I don't like microsoft automatically installs updates I want the control to decide what does and doesn't get installed. Second I have the search box disabled in windows 7 don't want it. I also don't like that MS can go in and remotely remove a program. What if they remove a valid program. I also don't like the privacy concerns.When these issues are resolved to my satisfaction then and only then will I look at windows 10. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 1:50 PM To: drlineber...@embarqmail.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Windows 10 accessibility Rebekah I'd like to talk to you off list, as I like the way you think. *smiles* -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Rebecca Lineberger via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 1:45 PM To: 'Tom Kingston' ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Windows 10 accessibility This is not in any way meant as a criticism, but as has already been pointed out, I think people's fear of Windows 10 is based on misinformation. There's so much of that floating around, despite resources on Bookshare and Google. There are many people on this List who are successfully, and happily, using Windows 10. It's not as if Microsoft is making us pay for the upgrade! It's free for Heaven's sake! IE11, Firefox and Chrome are still there, so access to the internet will stay the same, as will word processors and e-mail programs. "My Computer" or "Computer" is now called "This PC". So? There are so many options that allow a person to configure settings, the Start screen and menu, the Search box, the Taskbar, This PC... The Desktop is still there. Privacy settings and Cortana can be turned off, indeed, Cortana is not available with all the privacy settings turned off so that Microsoft cannot get its eyes, ears and fingers into the computer.. I had sighted help for the actual upgrade, and I did ask my tech to take off all the stuff on the right side of the Start screen, only because he could do it far faster with the mouse than I could with the keyboard. When I called the Microsoft Disability Desk with a question about something, the guy commented that my screen looked exactly like Windows 7, which is how I want it. If I have to tab or arrow around five times to get to something on the right side of the screen, that's not an efficient use of my time. Get it off my screen! Smile. If someone does not know where something is, or what it's called precisely, the Search box is a wonderful resource. Google is still my Home Page, and Google is still my Search Engine. And the Search box on the Start Menu in Windows 10 can be set to exclude the internet, so do I care if Microsoft uses Bing to bring up internet results. If I want the Internet, I go to my Google Home Page and ask Google. Smile. A sighted person may want Cortana, but Window-Eyes already talks to me! Edge is not yet accessible, but as someone pointed out, there are three other Browsers to choose from. JMO. Smile. Rebecca -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+drlineberger=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 12:31 PM Microsoft was stopped *in court* many years ago from forcing its browser on us. So it's not going to happen no matter what the fear mongers say. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn .com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those
Re: Windows 10 accessibility
The key word is defer. That means you can stop them for now, but they will try again later. Pam. -Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 2:23 PM To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility Dennis, You can defer updates on Windows 10 Pro. You can disable the search box. I've yet to hear of anyone actually having a program uninstalled by Microsoft. And they only do it for pirated programs, which pirates deserve. But yes, in principle I agree with you. Then again, I was sickened by Apple's stance on privacy and refusing not to open a dead terrorist's phone, which he did not even own. So principles have their limitations. Virtually all of the privacy issues can be disabled. I'm not a fan of what Microsoft has done. But in many ways they're really only catching up with Apple, Google, and other providers who track every move we make, scan our email, and so on. Conversely, Windows 10 is more secure and fine-tuned for new processors, solid state drives, etc. Regards, Tom On 5/12/2016 2:00 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: First I don't like microsoft automatically installs updates I want the control to decide what does and doesn't get installed. Second I have the search box disabled in windows 7 don't want it. I also don't like that MS can go in and remotely remove a program. What if they remove a valid program. I also don't like the privacy concerns.When these issues are resolved to my satisfaction then and only then will I look at windows 10. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 1:50 PM To: drlineber...@embarqmail.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Windows 10 accessibility Rebekah I'd like to talk to you off list, as I like the way you think. *smiles* -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Rebecca Lineberger via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 1:45 PM To: 'Tom Kingston' ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Windows 10 accessibility This is not in any way meant as a criticism, but as has already been pointed out, I think people's fear of Windows 10 is based on misinformation. There's so much of that floating around, despite resources on Bookshare and Google. There are many people on this List who are successfully, and happily, using Windows 10. It's not as if Microsoft is making us pay for the upgrade! It's free for Heaven's sake! IE11, Firefox and Chrome are still there, so access to the internet will stay the same, as will word processors and e-mail programs. "My Computer" or "Computer" is now called "This PC". So? There are so many options that allow a person to configure settings, the Start screen and menu, the Search box, the Taskbar, This PC... The Desktop is still there. Privacy settings and Cortana can be turned off, indeed, Cortana is not available with all the privacy settings turned off so that Microsoft cannot get its eyes, ears and fingers into the computer.. I had sighted help for the actual upgrade, and I did ask my tech to take off all the stuff on the right side of the Start screen, only because he could do it far faster with the mouse than I could with the keyboard. When I called the Microsoft Disability Desk with a question about something, the guy commented that my screen looked exactly like Windows 7, which is how I want it. If I have to tab or arrow around five times to get to something on the right side of the screen, that's not an efficient use of my time. Get it off my screen! Smile. If someone does not know where something is, or what it's called precisely, the Search box is a wonderful resource. Google is still my Home Page, and Google is still my Search Engine. And the Search box on the Start Menu in Windows 10 can be set to exclude the internet, so do I care if Microsoft uses Bing to bring up internet results. If I want the Internet, I go to my Google Home Page and ask Google. Smile. A sighted person may want Cortana, but Window-Eyes already talks to me! Edge is not yet accessible, but as someone pointed out, there are three other Browsers to choose from. JMO. Smile. Rebecca -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+drlineberger=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 12:31 PM Microsoft was stopped *in court* many years ago from forcing its browser on us. So it's not going to happen no matter what the fear mongers say. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Sq
Re: Windows 10 accessibility
Yes, and about the updates and the privacy issues: it has been said that even if you turn them off, eventually, they turn back on. Pam. -Original Message- From: Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 2:00 PM To: 'Darrell Bowles' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Windows 10 accessibility First I don't like microsoft automatically installs updates I want the control to decide what does and doesn't get installed. Second I have the search box disabled in windows 7 don't want it. I also don't like that MS can go in and remotely remove a program. What if they remove a valid program. I also don't like the privacy concerns.When these issues are resolved to my satisfaction then and only then will I look at windows 10. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 1:50 PM To: drlineber...@embarqmail.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Windows 10 accessibility Rebekah I'd like to talk to you off list, as I like the way you think. *smiles* -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Rebecca Lineberger via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 1:45 PM To: 'Tom Kingston' ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Windows 10 accessibility This is not in any way meant as a criticism, but as has already been pointed out, I think people's fear of Windows 10 is based on misinformation. There's so much of that floating around, despite resources on Bookshare and Google. There are many people on this List who are successfully, and happily, using Windows 10. It's not as if Microsoft is making us pay for the upgrade! It's free for Heaven's sake! IE11, Firefox and Chrome are still there, so access to the internet will stay the same, as will word processors and e-mail programs. "My Computer" or "Computer" is now called "This PC". So? There are so many options that allow a person to configure settings, the Start screen and menu, the Search box, the Taskbar, This PC... The Desktop is still there. Privacy settings and Cortana can be turned off, indeed, Cortana is not available with all the privacy settings turned off so that Microsoft cannot get its eyes, ears and fingers into the computer.. I had sighted help for the actual upgrade, and I did ask my tech to take off all the stuff on the right side of the Start screen, only because he could do it far faster with the mouse than I could with the keyboard. When I called the Microsoft Disability Desk with a question about something, the guy commented that my screen looked exactly like Windows 7, which is how I want it. If I have to tab or arrow around five times to get to something on the right side of the screen, that's not an efficient use of my time. Get it off my screen! Smile. If someone does not know where something is, or what it's called precisely, the Search box is a wonderful resource. Google is still my Home Page, and Google is still my Search Engine. And the Search box on the Start Menu in Windows 10 can be set to exclude the internet, so do I care if Microsoft uses Bing to bring up internet results. If I want the Internet, I go to my Google Home Page and ask Google. Smile. A sighted person may want Cortana, but Window-Eyes already talks to me! Edge is not yet accessible, but as someone pointed out, there are three other Browsers to choose from. JMO. Smile. Rebecca -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+drlineberger=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 12:31 PM Microsoft was stopped *in court* many years ago from forcing its browser on us. So it's not going to happen no matter what the fear mongers say. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn .com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40 gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com __
Re: Windows 10 accessibility
Dennis, You can defer updates on Windows 10 Pro. You can disable the search box. I've yet to hear of anyone actually having a program uninstalled by Microsoft. And they only do it for pirated programs, which pirates deserve. But yes, in principle I agree with you. Then again, I was sickened by Apple's stance on privacy and refusing not to open a dead terrorist's phone, which he did not even own. So principles have their limitations. Virtually all of the privacy issues can be disabled. I'm not a fan of what Microsoft has done. But in many ways they're really only catching up with Apple, Google, and other providers who track every move we make, scan our email, and so on. Conversely, Windows 10 is more secure and fine-tuned for new processors, solid state drives, etc. Regards, Tom On 5/12/2016 2:00 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: First I don't like microsoft automatically installs updates I want the control to decide what does and doesn't get installed. Second I have the search box disabled in windows 7 don't want it. I also don't like that MS can go in and remotely remove a program. What if they remove a valid program. I also don't like the privacy concerns.When these issues are resolved to my satisfaction then and only then will I look at windows 10. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 1:50 PM To: drlineber...@embarqmail.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Windows 10 accessibility Rebekah I'd like to talk to you off list, as I like the way you think. *smiles* -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Rebecca Lineberger via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 1:45 PM To: 'Tom Kingston' ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Windows 10 accessibility This is not in any way meant as a criticism, but as has already been pointed out, I think people's fear of Windows 10 is based on misinformation. There's so much of that floating around, despite resources on Bookshare and Google. There are many people on this List who are successfully, and happily, using Windows 10. It's not as if Microsoft is making us pay for the upgrade! It's free for Heaven's sake! IE11, Firefox and Chrome are still there, so access to the internet will stay the same, as will word processors and e-mail programs. "My Computer" or "Computer" is now called "This PC". So? There are so many options that allow a person to configure settings, the Start screen and menu, the Search box, the Taskbar, This PC... The Desktop is still there. Privacy settings and Cortana can be turned off, indeed, Cortana is not available with all the privacy settings turned off so that Microsoft cannot get its eyes, ears and fingers into the computer.. I had sighted help for the actual upgrade, and I did ask my tech to take off all the stuff on the right side of the Start screen, only because he could do it far faster with the mouse than I could with the keyboard. When I called the Microsoft Disability Desk with a question about something, the guy commented that my screen looked exactly like Windows 7, which is how I want it. If I have to tab or arrow around five times to get to something on the right side of the screen, that's not an efficient use of my time. Get it off my screen! Smile. If someone does not know where something is, or what it's called precisely, the Search box is a wonderful resource. Google is still my Home Page, and Google is still my Search Engine. And the Search box on the Start Menu in Windows 10 can be set to exclude the internet, so do I care if Microsoft uses Bing to bring up internet results. If I want the Internet, I go to my Google Home Page and ask Google. Smile. A sighted person may want Cortana, but Window-Eyes already talks to me! Edge is not yet accessible, but as someone pointed out, there are three other Browsers to choose from. JMO. Smile. Rebecca -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+drlineberger=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 12:31 PM Microsoft was stopped *in court* many years ago from forcing its browser on us. So it's not going to happen no matter what the fear mongers say. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn .com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window
Re: Windows 10 accessibility
I'm using Windows 10, and it's smoother than 7 or 8 was. It's a bit different and takes so "learning" new things but... -Original Message- From: Rebecca Lineberger via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 12:44 PM To: 'Tom Kingston' ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Windows 10 accessibility This is not in any way meant as a criticism, but as has already been pointed out, I think people's fear of Windows 10 is based on misinformation. There's so much of that floating around, despite resources on Bookshare and Google. There are many people on this List who are successfully, and happily, using Windows 10. It's not as if Microsoft is making us pay for the upgrade! It's free for Heaven's sake! IE11, Firefox and Chrome are still there, so access to the internet will stay the same, as will word processors and e-mail programs. "My Computer" or "Computer" is now called "This PC". So? There are so many options that allow a person to configure settings, the Start screen and menu, the Search box, the Taskbar, This PC... The Desktop is still there. Privacy settings and Cortana can be turned off, indeed, Cortana is not available with all the privacy settings turned off so that Microsoft cannot get its eyes, ears and fingers into the computer.. I had sighted help for the actual upgrade, and I did ask my tech to take off all the stuff on the right side of the Start screen, only because he could do it far faster with the mouse than I could with the keyboard. When I called the Microsoft Disability Desk with a question about something, the guy commented that my screen looked exactly like Windows 7, which is how I want it. If I have to tab or arrow around five times to get to something on the right side of the screen, that's not an efficient use of my time. Get it off my screen! Smile. If someone does not know where something is, or what it's called precisely, the Search box is a wonderful resource. Google is still my Home Page, and Google is still my Search Engine. And the Search box on the Start Menu in Windows 10 can be set to exclude the internet, so do I care if Microsoft uses Bing to bring up internet results. If I want the Internet, I go to my Google Home Page and ask Google. Smile. A sighted person may want Cortana, but Window-Eyes already talks to me! Edge is not yet accessible, but as someone pointed out, there are three other Browsers to choose from. JMO. Smile. Rebecca -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+drlineberger=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 12:31 PM Microsoft was stopped *in court* many years ago from forcing its browser on us. So it's not going to happen no matter what the fear mongers say. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40mediacombb.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Windows 10 accessibility
First I don't like microsoft automatically installs updates I want the control to decide what does and doesn't get installed. Second I have the search box disabled in windows 7 don't want it. I also don't like that MS can go in and remotely remove a program. What if they remove a valid program. I also don't like the privacy concerns.When these issues are resolved to my satisfaction then and only then will I look at windows 10. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 1:50 PM To: drlineber...@embarqmail.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Windows 10 accessibility Rebekah I'd like to talk to you off list, as I like the way you think. *smiles* -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Rebecca Lineberger via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 1:45 PM To: 'Tom Kingston' ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Windows 10 accessibility This is not in any way meant as a criticism, but as has already been pointed out, I think people's fear of Windows 10 is based on misinformation. There's so much of that floating around, despite resources on Bookshare and Google. There are many people on this List who are successfully, and happily, using Windows 10. It's not as if Microsoft is making us pay for the upgrade! It's free for Heaven's sake! IE11, Firefox and Chrome are still there, so access to the internet will stay the same, as will word processors and e-mail programs. "My Computer" or "Computer" is now called "This PC". So? There are so many options that allow a person to configure settings, the Start screen and menu, the Search box, the Taskbar, This PC... The Desktop is still there. Privacy settings and Cortana can be turned off, indeed, Cortana is not available with all the privacy settings turned off so that Microsoft cannot get its eyes, ears and fingers into the computer.. I had sighted help for the actual upgrade, and I did ask my tech to take off all the stuff on the right side of the Start screen, only because he could do it far faster with the mouse than I could with the keyboard. When I called the Microsoft Disability Desk with a question about something, the guy commented that my screen looked exactly like Windows 7, which is how I want it. If I have to tab or arrow around five times to get to something on the right side of the screen, that's not an efficient use of my time. Get it off my screen! Smile. If someone does not know where something is, or what it's called precisely, the Search box is a wonderful resource. Google is still my Home Page, and Google is still my Search Engine. And the Search box on the Start Menu in Windows 10 can be set to exclude the internet, so do I care if Microsoft uses Bing to bring up internet results. If I want the Internet, I go to my Google Home Page and ask Google. Smile. A sighted person may want Cortana, but Window-Eyes already talks to me! Edge is not yet accessible, but as someone pointed out, there are three other Browsers to choose from. JMO. Smile. Rebecca -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+drlineberger=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 12:31 PM Microsoft was stopped *in court* many years ago from forcing its browser on us. So it's not going to happen no matter what the fear mongers say. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn .com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40 gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Windows 10 accessibility
Rebekah I'd like to talk to you off list, as I like the way you think. *smiles* -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Rebecca Lineberger via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 1:45 PM To: 'Tom Kingston' ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: RE: Windows 10 accessibility This is not in any way meant as a criticism, but as has already been pointed out, I think people's fear of Windows 10 is based on misinformation. There's so much of that floating around, despite resources on Bookshare and Google. There are many people on this List who are successfully, and happily, using Windows 10. It's not as if Microsoft is making us pay for the upgrade! It's free for Heaven's sake! IE11, Firefox and Chrome are still there, so access to the internet will stay the same, as will word processors and e-mail programs. "My Computer" or "Computer" is now called "This PC". So? There are so many options that allow a person to configure settings, the Start screen and menu, the Search box, the Taskbar, This PC... The Desktop is still there. Privacy settings and Cortana can be turned off, indeed, Cortana is not available with all the privacy settings turned off so that Microsoft cannot get its eyes, ears and fingers into the computer.. I had sighted help for the actual upgrade, and I did ask my tech to take off all the stuff on the right side of the Start screen, only because he could do it far faster with the mouse than I could with the keyboard. When I called the Microsoft Disability Desk with a question about something, the guy commented that my screen looked exactly like Windows 7, which is how I want it. If I have to tab or arrow around five times to get to something on the right side of the screen, that's not an efficient use of my time. Get it off my screen! Smile. If someone does not know where something is, or what it's called precisely, the Search box is a wonderful resource. Google is still my Home Page, and Google is still my Search Engine. And the Search box on the Start Menu in Windows 10 can be set to exclude the internet, so do I care if Microsoft uses Bing to bring up internet results. If I want the Internet, I go to my Google Home Page and ask Google. Smile. A sighted person may want Cortana, but Window-Eyes already talks to me! Edge is not yet accessible, but as someone pointed out, there are three other Browsers to choose from. JMO. Smile. Rebecca -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+drlineberger=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 12:31 PM Microsoft was stopped *in court* many years ago from forcing its browser on us. So it's not going to happen no matter what the fear mongers say. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn .com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Windows 10 accessibility
This is not in any way meant as a criticism, but as has already been pointed out, I think people's fear of Windows 10 is based on misinformation. There's so much of that floating around, despite resources on Bookshare and Google. There are many people on this List who are successfully, and happily, using Windows 10. It's not as if Microsoft is making us pay for the upgrade! It's free for Heaven's sake! IE11, Firefox and Chrome are still there, so access to the internet will stay the same, as will word processors and e-mail programs. "My Computer" or "Computer" is now called "This PC". So? There are so many options that allow a person to configure settings, the Start screen and menu, the Search box, the Taskbar, This PC... The Desktop is still there. Privacy settings and Cortana can be turned off, indeed, Cortana is not available with all the privacy settings turned off so that Microsoft cannot get its eyes, ears and fingers into the computer.. I had sighted help for the actual upgrade, and I did ask my tech to take off all the stuff on the right side of the Start screen, only because he could do it far faster with the mouse than I could with the keyboard. When I called the Microsoft Disability Desk with a question about something, the guy commented that my screen looked exactly like Windows 7, which is how I want it. If I have to tab or arrow around five times to get to something on the right side of the screen, that's not an efficient use of my time. Get it off my screen! Smile. If someone does not know where something is, or what it's called precisely, the Search box is a wonderful resource. Google is still my Home Page, and Google is still my Search Engine. And the Search box on the Start Menu in Windows 10 can be set to exclude the internet, so do I care if Microsoft uses Bing to bring up internet results. If I want the Internet, I go to my Google Home Page and ask Google. Smile. A sighted person may want Cortana, but Window-Eyes already talks to me! Edge is not yet accessible, but as someone pointed out, there are three other Browsers to choose from. JMO. Smile. Rebecca -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+drlineberger=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 12:31 PM Microsoft was stopped *in court* many years ago from forcing its browser on us. So it's not going to happen no matter what the fear mongers say. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Windows 10 accessibility
who makes the operating system? seems to me we are definitely going to have to go with their decisions in any case, and that is just the way it is. We can kick and moan, and thrash about and not like it, but that's just wasting energy. Why not get into a dialogue with them and in that way, affect what happens instead of being in effect of what happens. :) -- Curtis Delzer On Wed, 11 May 2016 21:29:19 -0400 Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: > I agree. Gone are the days, when Internet explorer 5.5 was the only browser > out there. Unfortunately, gone are the days it seems when Internet explorer > was stable. But yes, times have changed and we can either turn with them, or > protesting get spun off. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 11, 2016, at 9:25 PM, Kenny Peyatt jr. via Talk > > wrote: > > > > Times are changing. if we want to keep up with the latest and greatest > > technology then you have to suck it up and learn it. > > > > Kenny Peyatt jr. > > > > > >> On 5/11/2016 5:33 PM, net bat via Talk wrote: > >> when it does come out i will not upgrade if i can stop it. > >> some of there so called improvements is to block all browsers from being > >> used in the search engines. no matter what browser you have as the default > >> it will use edge. > >> unless someone comes out with a hack to stop this from happening. > >> http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expensive-secret/#2c69d01d403f > >> > >> > >> > >> http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expensive-secret/#2c69d01d403f > >> > >> > >> -Original Message- From: RJ Sandefur via Talk > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 1:00 PM > >> To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > >> Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility > >> > >> They're coming out with a major update in July from what I've read. RJ > >> > >> > >>> On 5/11/2016 3:47 PM, Don H via Talk wrote: > >>> It is coming up on a year since Win 10 was released and still the new > >>> Edge browser isn't accessible. Makes you wonder if Microsoft is really > >>> making its products fully accessible in a reasonable amount of time. > >>> ___ > >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > >>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > >>> > >>> For membership options, visit > >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/manbatsandefur%40outlook.com. > >>> For subscription options, visit > >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > >>> List archives can be found at > >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > >> > >> ___ > >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > >> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > >> > >> For membership options, visit > >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comcast.net. > >> For subscription options, visit > >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > >> List archives can be found at > >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > >> ___ > >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > >> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > >> > >> For membership options, visit > >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/p.wildcat1234%40gmail.com. > >> For subscription options, visit > >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > >> List archives can be found at > >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > > > ___ > > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > > > For membership options, visit > > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com. > > For subscription options, visit > > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > List archives can be found at > > http://lists.
Re: Windows 10 accessibility
i cloned the win8 drive with casper before i installed win10. so no matter what happened i could restore it with the backup drive. i'm glad i did. the first time i installed win10 it hosed the computer and it wouldn't even boot. the second time there was no problem. *** you might try useing 64 or 32 bit vista drivers. depending on which version of win 10 you could use. i had a 10 year old hp all in one that worked with the vista drivers on windows 7 ,8 and on 10 until i bought a del laser all in one mid last year. hp only had 64bit vista drivers for it. even then , once i installed the vista drivers win 10 found new drivers for it. -Original Message- From: Evan Reese via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 8:26 AM To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility Indeed. And Windows 7 will be supported until 2020. By that time, I'll need a new computer and I'll get what OS is out then. In the meantime, I have a scanner here that won't run under Windows 10 and I'm not replacing it until it quits. Evan -Original Message- From: Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 9:43 PM To: 'Darrell Bowles' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Windows 10 accessibility Who says you need the latest and greatest. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 9:29 PM To: Kenny Peyatt jr.; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility I agree. Gone are the days, when Internet explorer 5.5 was the only browser out there. Unfortunately, gone are the days it seems when Internet explorer was stable. But yes, times have changed and we can either turn with them, or protesting get spun off. Sent from my iPhone On May 11, 2016, at 9:25 PM, Kenny Peyatt jr. via Talk wrote: Times are changing. if we want to keep up with the latest and greatest technology then you have to suck it up and learn it. Kenny Peyatt jr. On 5/11/2016 5:33 PM, net bat via Talk wrote: when it does come out i will not upgrade if i can stop it. some of there so called improvements is to block all browsers from being used in the search engines. no matter what browser you have as the default it will use edge. unless someone comes out with a hack to stop this from happening. http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expe nsive-secret/#2c69d01d403f http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expe nsive-secret/#2c69d01d403f -Original Message- From: RJ Sandefur via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 1:00 PM To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility They're coming out with a major update in July from what I've read. RJ On 5/11/2016 3:47 PM, Don H via Talk wrote: It is coming up on a year since Win 10 was released and still the new Edge browser isn't accessible. Makes you wonder if Microsoft is really making its products fully accessible in a reasonable amount of time. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/manbatsandefur %40outlook.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comca st.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/p.wildcat1234% 40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn .com. For subscription options, visit htt
Re: Windows 10 accessibility
the defaults right now for the cortana search box is to search your computer and the enternet every time you type in a search. but you can turn this off, which i did. i don't want all the internet garbage here. i'll use the browser for enternet searches. -Original Message- From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 7:41 AM To: Tom Kingston ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility Oh, in that case, if it's that you have to be using courtana in order to have Edge be the only browser, then I am all right, because even if I got windows ten, I would not use courtana. Pam. -Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 3:03 AM To: Tom Fairhurst ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility They're not going to force anyone to use the Edge browser. All they're doing is making it the only choice if you search from the Cortana search box. And why not? Of course they're going to promote the use of their own products. If it's too much to open whatever browser you want and whatever search engine you want, which for me is done with one key stroke, well, maybe it's time to bow out of the computer world. Apple has probably been doing the same thing for years. Tom On 5/11/2016 10:57 PM, Tom Fairhurst via Talk wrote: Since we are on the subject of accessibility and web browsers, how will you solve captchas where am audio challenge is not presented? I haven't heard a word about this. I guess you can use Fire Fox until Windows 10 forces you to use the Edge browser. I am not going to Windows 10 until this question has a firm answer. -Original Message- From: Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 8:29 PM To: Kenny Peyatt jr. ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility I agree. Gone are the days, when Internet explorer 5.5 was the only browser out there. Unfortunately, gone are the days it seems when Internet explorer was stable. But yes, times have changed and we can either turn with them, or protesting get spun off. Sent from my iPhone On May 11, 2016, at 9:25 PM, Kenny Peyatt jr. via Talk wrote: Times are changing. if we want to keep up with the latest and greatest technology then you have to suck it up and learn it. Kenny Peyatt jr. On 5/11/2016 5:33 PM, net bat via Talk wrote: when it does come out i will not upgrade if i can stop it. some of there so called improvements is to block all browsers from being used in the search engines. no matter what browser you have as the default it will use edge. unless someone comes out with a hack to stop this from happening. http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expensive-secret/#2c69d01d403f http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expensive-secret/#2c69d01d403f -Original Message- From: RJ Sandefur via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 1:00 PM To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility They're coming out with a major update in July from what I've read. RJ On 5/11/2016 3:47 PM, Don H via Talk wrote: It is coming up on a year since Win 10 was released and still the new Edge browser isn't accessible. Makes you wonder if Microsoft is really making its products fully accessible in a reasonable amount of time. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/manbatsandefur%40outlook.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/p.wildcat1234%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions prese
Re: Windows 10 accessibility
Microsoft was stopped *in court* many years ago from forcing its browser on us. So it's not going to happen no matter what the fear mongers say. On 5/12/2016 12:06 PM, net bat wrote: i hope your right. but who knows how far microsoft will go before they are stopped. i don't use the cortana search to search the net. i have this option turned off and use firefox. -Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 12:03 AM To: Tom Fairhurst ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility They're not going to force anyone to use the Edge browser. All they're doing is making it the only choice if you search from the Cortana search box. And why not? Of course they're going to promote the use of their own products. If it's too much to open whatever browser you want and whatever search engine you want, which for me is done with one key stroke, well, maybe it's time to bow out of the computer world. Apple has probably been doing the same thing for years. Tom On 5/11/2016 10:57 PM, Tom Fairhurst via Talk wrote: Since we are on the subject of accessibility and web browsers, how will you solve captchas where am audio challenge is not presented? I haven't heard a word about this. I guess you can use Fire Fox until Windows 10 forces you to use the Edge browser. I am not going to Windows 10 until this question has a firm answer. -Original Message- From: Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 8:29 PM To: Kenny Peyatt jr. ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility I agree. Gone are the days, when Internet explorer 5.5 was the only browser out there. Unfortunately, gone are the days it seems when Internet explorer was stable. But yes, times have changed and we can either turn with them, or protesting get spun off. Sent from my iPhone On May 11, 2016, at 9:25 PM, Kenny Peyatt jr. via Talk wrote: Times are changing. if we want to keep up with the latest and greatest technology then you have to suck it up and learn it. Kenny Peyatt jr. On 5/11/2016 5:33 PM, net bat via Talk wrote: when it does come out i will not upgrade if i can stop it. some of there so called improvements is to block all browsers from being used in the search engines. no matter what browser you have as the default it will use edge. unless someone comes out with a hack to stop this from happening. http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expensive-secret/#2c69d01d403f http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expensive-secret/#2c69d01d403f -Original Message- From: RJ Sandefur via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 1:00 PM To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility They're coming out with a major update in July from what I've read. RJ On 5/11/2016 3:47 PM, Don H via Talk wrote: It is coming up on a year since Win 10 was released and still the new Edge browser isn't accessible. Makes you wonder if Microsoft is really making its products fully accessible in a reasonable amount of time. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/manbatsandefur%40outlook.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/p.wildcat1234%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.
Re: Windows 10 accessibility
Evan, As I'm sure you know, the search engine and the browser are two different things. But soon all Apple devices will default to the Apple search engine, Spotlight, which is still in development and being slowly rolled out. Tom On 5/12/2016 11:31 AM, Evan Reese wrote: Perhaps, ironically, Bing is the default search engine when I search on my new iPad Mini 4. I can change it, but Bing is what you get by default. Evan -Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 3:03 AM To: Tom Fairhurst ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility They're not going to force anyone to use the Edge browser. All they're doing is making it the only choice if you search from the Cortana search box. And why not? Of course they're going to promote the use of their own products. If it's too much to open whatever browser you want and whatever search engine you want, which for me is done with one key stroke, well, maybe it's time to bow out of the computer world. Apple has probably been doing the same thing for years. Tom On 5/11/2016 10:57 PM, Tom Fairhurst via Talk wrote: Since we are on the subject of accessibility and web browsers, how will you solve captchas where am audio challenge is not presented? I haven't heard a word about this. I guess you can use Fire Fox until Windows 10 forces you to use the Edge browser. I am not going to Windows 10 until this question has a firm answer. -Original Message- From: Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 8:29 PM To: Kenny Peyatt jr. ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility I agree. Gone are the days, when Internet explorer 5.5 was the only browser out there. Unfortunately, gone are the days it seems when Internet explorer was stable. But yes, times have changed and we can either turn with them, or protesting get spun off. Sent from my iPhone On May 11, 2016, at 9:25 PM, Kenny Peyatt jr. via Talk wrote: Times are changing. if we want to keep up with the latest and greatest technology then you have to suck it up and learn it. Kenny Peyatt jr. On 5/11/2016 5:33 PM, net bat via Talk wrote: when it does come out i will not upgrade if i can stop it. some of there so called improvements is to block all browsers from being used in the search engines. no matter what browser you have as the default it will use edge. unless someone comes out with a hack to stop this from happening. http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expensive-secret/#2c69d01d403f http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expensive-secret/#2c69d01d403f -Original Message- From: RJ Sandefur via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 1:00 PM To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility They're coming out with a major update in July from what I've read. RJ On 5/11/2016 3:47 PM, Don H via Talk wrote: It is coming up on a year since Win 10 was released and still the new Edge browser isn't accessible. Makes you wonder if Microsoft is really making its products fully accessible in a reasonable amount of time. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/manbatsandefur%40outlook.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/p.wildcat1234%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com. F
Re: Windows 10 accessibility
i hope your right. but who knows how far microsoft will go before they are stopped. i don't use the cortana search to search the net. i have this option turned off and use firefox. -Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 12:03 AM To: Tom Fairhurst ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility They're not going to force anyone to use the Edge browser. All they're doing is making it the only choice if you search from the Cortana search box. And why not? Of course they're going to promote the use of their own products. If it's too much to open whatever browser you want and whatever search engine you want, which for me is done with one key stroke, well, maybe it's time to bow out of the computer world. Apple has probably been doing the same thing for years. Tom On 5/11/2016 10:57 PM, Tom Fairhurst via Talk wrote: Since we are on the subject of accessibility and web browsers, how will you solve captchas where am audio challenge is not presented? I haven't heard a word about this. I guess you can use Fire Fox until Windows 10 forces you to use the Edge browser. I am not going to Windows 10 until this question has a firm answer. -Original Message- From: Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 8:29 PM To: Kenny Peyatt jr. ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility I agree. Gone are the days, when Internet explorer 5.5 was the only browser out there. Unfortunately, gone are the days it seems when Internet explorer was stable. But yes, times have changed and we can either turn with them, or protesting get spun off. Sent from my iPhone On May 11, 2016, at 9:25 PM, Kenny Peyatt jr. via Talk wrote: Times are changing. if we want to keep up with the latest and greatest technology then you have to suck it up and learn it. Kenny Peyatt jr. On 5/11/2016 5:33 PM, net bat via Talk wrote: when it does come out i will not upgrade if i can stop it. some of there so called improvements is to block all browsers from being used in the search engines. no matter what browser you have as the default it will use edge. unless someone comes out with a hack to stop this from happening. http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expensive-secret/#2c69d01d403f http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expensive-secret/#2c69d01d403f -Original Message- From: RJ Sandefur via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 1:00 PM To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility They're coming out with a major update in July from what I've read. RJ On 5/11/2016 3:47 PM, Don H via Talk wrote: It is coming up on a year since Win 10 was released and still the new Edge browser isn't accessible. Makes you wonder if Microsoft is really making its products fully accessible in a reasonable amount of time. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/manbatsandefur%40outlook.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/p.wildcat1234%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or op
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Hi Evan, Incidentally, if you can find a Windows 8.1 driver for it, then it will work in Windows 10. Hth, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Evan Reese via Talk Sent: May 12, 2016 11:27 AM To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility Indeed. And Windows 7 will be supported until 2020. By that time, I'll need a new computer and I'll get what OS is out then. In the meantime, I have a scanner here that won't run under Windows 10 and I'm not replacing it until it quits. Evan -Original Message- From: Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 9:43 PM To: 'Darrell Bowles' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Windows 10 accessibility Who says you need the latest and greatest. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 9:29 PM To: Kenny Peyatt jr.; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility I agree. Gone are the days, when Internet explorer 5.5 was the only browser out there. Unfortunately, gone are the days it seems when Internet explorer was stable. But yes, times have changed and we can either turn with them, or protesting get spun off. Sent from my iPhone > On May 11, 2016, at 9:25 PM, Kenny Peyatt jr. via Talk wrote: > > Times are changing. if we want to keep up with the latest and greatest technology then you have to suck it up and learn it. > > Kenny Peyatt jr. > > >> On 5/11/2016 5:33 PM, net bat via Talk wrote: >> when it does come out i will not upgrade if i can stop it. >> some of there so called improvements is to block all browsers from >> being used in the search engines. no matter what browser you have as the default it will use edge. >> unless someone comes out with a hack to stop this from happening. >> http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expe nsive-secret/#2c69d01d403f >> >> >> http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expe nsive-secret/#2c69d01d403f >> >> -Original Message- From: RJ Sandefur via Talk >> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 1:00 PM >> To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility >> >> They're coming out with a major update in July from what I've read. >> RJ >> >> >>> On 5/11/2016 3:47 PM, Don H via Talk wrote: >>> It is coming up on a year since Win 10 was released and still the >>> new Edge browser isn't accessible. Makes you wonder if Microsoft is really making its products fully accessible in a reasonable amount of time. >>> ___ >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of >>> the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>> >>> For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/manbatsandefur %40outlook.com. >>> For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comca st.net. >> For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/p.wildcat1234% 40gmail.com. >> For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn .com. > For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/t
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Hi Tom, Well, if they all look like Bill Gates, then we can just steal their eyeglasses and we'll render them harmless. (Grin) Live long and prosper, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk Sent: May 12, 2016 11:15 AM To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility Pam, This is the problem with articles from forbes, which is the basis upon which this thread was started. They are notorious among journalists for being sensationalist, scary, and light on facts. Go to their web site with an ad blocker active and they won't let you in unless you turn it off. And of course they promise few ads. Then it's literally like trying to find your way through a jungle of ads in order to find bits and pieces of the actual article scattered all over the page between ads. So at least for me, none of their material is worth reading. Next week they'll probably headline that they've discovered a huge conspiracy wherein Windows 10 was designed by the ultimate geek supremacist race to destroy humanity as we know it so the geeks can take over the world. They already have a million Bill Gates clones fascist militia, and well, you get the picture. smile. Tom On 5/12/2016 10:41 AM, Pamela Dominguez wrote: > Oh, in that case, if it's that you have to be using courtana in order to > have Edge be the only browser, then I am all right, because even if I > got windows ten, I would not use courtana. Pam. > > -Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk > Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 3:03 AM > To: Tom Fairhurst ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility > > They're not going to force anyone to use the Edge browser. All they're > doing is making it the only choice if you search from the Cortana search > box. And why not? Of course they're going to promote the use of their > own products. If it's too much to open whatever browser you want and > whatever search engine you want, which for me is done with one key > stroke, well, maybe it's time to bow out of the computer world. Apple > has probably been doing the same thing for years. > > Tom > > > On 5/11/2016 10:57 PM, Tom Fairhurst via Talk wrote: >> Since we are on the subject of accessibility and web browsers, how will >> you solve captchas where am audio challenge is not presented? I haven't >> heard a word about this. I guess you can use Fire Fox until Windows 10 >> forces you to use the Edge browser. I am not going to Windows 10 until >> this question has a firm answer. >> >> -----Original Message- From: Darrell Bowles via Talk >> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 8:29 PM >> To: Kenny Peyatt jr. ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility >> >> I agree. Gone are the days, when Internet explorer 5.5 was the only >> browser out there. Unfortunately, gone are the days it seems when >> Internet explorer was stable. But yes, times have changed and we can >> either turn with them, or protesting get spun off. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 11, 2016, at 9:25 PM, Kenny Peyatt jr. via Talk >>> wrote: >>> >>> Times are changing. if we want to keep up with the latest and greatest >>> technology then you have to suck it up and learn it. >>> >>> Kenny Peyatt jr. >>> >>> >>>> On 5/11/2016 5:33 PM, net bat via Talk wrote: >>>> when it does come out i will not upgrade if i can stop it. >>>> some of there so called improvements is to block all browsers from >>>> being used in the search engines. no matter what browser you have as >>>> the default it will use edge. >>>> unless someone comes out with a hack to stop this from happening. >>>> http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expe nsive-secret/#2c69d01d403f >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expe nsive-secret/#2c69d01d403f >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- From: RJ Sandefur via Talk >>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 1:00 PM >>>> To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >>>> Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility >>>> >>>> They're coming out with a major update in July from what I've read. RJ >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 5/11/2016 3:47 PM, Don H via Talk wrote: >>>>> It is coming up on a year since Win 10 wa
Re: Windows 10 accessibility
Perhaps, ironically, Bing is the default search engine when I search on my new iPad Mini 4. I can change it, but Bing is what you get by default. Evan -Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 3:03 AM To: Tom Fairhurst ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility They're not going to force anyone to use the Edge browser. All they're doing is making it the only choice if you search from the Cortana search box. And why not? Of course they're going to promote the use of their own products. If it's too much to open whatever browser you want and whatever search engine you want, which for me is done with one key stroke, well, maybe it's time to bow out of the computer world. Apple has probably been doing the same thing for years. Tom On 5/11/2016 10:57 PM, Tom Fairhurst via Talk wrote: Since we are on the subject of accessibility and web browsers, how will you solve captchas where am audio challenge is not presented? I haven't heard a word about this. I guess you can use Fire Fox until Windows 10 forces you to use the Edge browser. I am not going to Windows 10 until this question has a firm answer. -Original Message- From: Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 8:29 PM To: Kenny Peyatt jr. ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility I agree. Gone are the days, when Internet explorer 5.5 was the only browser out there. Unfortunately, gone are the days it seems when Internet explorer was stable. But yes, times have changed and we can either turn with them, or protesting get spun off. Sent from my iPhone On May 11, 2016, at 9:25 PM, Kenny Peyatt jr. via Talk wrote: Times are changing. if we want to keep up with the latest and greatest technology then you have to suck it up and learn it. Kenny Peyatt jr. On 5/11/2016 5:33 PM, net bat via Talk wrote: when it does come out i will not upgrade if i can stop it. some of there so called improvements is to block all browsers from being used in the search engines. no matter what browser you have as the default it will use edge. unless someone comes out with a hack to stop this from happening. http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expensive-secret/#2c69d01d403f http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expensive-secret/#2c69d01d403f -Original Message- From: RJ Sandefur via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 1:00 PM To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility They're coming out with a major update in July from what I've read. RJ On 5/11/2016 3:47 PM, Don H via Talk wrote: It is coming up on a year since Win 10 was released and still the new Edge browser isn't accessible. Makes you wonder if Microsoft is really making its products fully accessible in a reasonable amount of time. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/manbatsandefur%40outlook.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/p.wildcat1234%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are sole
RE: Windows 10 accessibility
Hi Pam, In Windows 10, Cortana is what you're using if you want to search your own local computer for absolutely anything, from an app to a file. Another name for the search edit box on the Start menu is Cortanaa. Hth, Rod -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk Sent: May 12, 2016 10:41 AM To: Tom Kingston ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility Oh, in that case, if it's that you have to be using courtana in order to have Edge be the only browser, then I am all right, because even if I got windows ten, I would not use courtana. Pam. -Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 3:03 AM To: Tom Fairhurst ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility They're not going to force anyone to use the Edge browser. All they're doing is making it the only choice if you search from the Cortana search box. And why not? Of course they're going to promote the use of their own products. If it's too much to open whatever browser you want and whatever search engine you want, which for me is done with one key stroke, well, maybe it's time to bow out of the computer world. Apple has probably been doing the same thing for years. Tom On 5/11/2016 10:57 PM, Tom Fairhurst via Talk wrote: > Since we are on the subject of accessibility and web browsers, how > will you solve captchas where am audio challenge is not presented? I > haven't heard a word about this. I guess you can use Fire Fox until > Windows 10 forces you to use the Edge browser. I am not going to > Windows 10 until this question has a firm answer. > > -Original Message- From: Darrell Bowles via Talk > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 8:29 PM > To: Kenny Peyatt jr. ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility > > I agree. Gone are the days, when Internet explorer 5.5 was the only > browser out there. Unfortunately, gone are the days it seems when > Internet explorer was stable. But yes, times have changed and we can > either turn with them, or protesting get spun off. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 11, 2016, at 9:25 PM, Kenny Peyatt jr. via Talk >> wrote: >> >> Times are changing. if we want to keep up with the latest and >> greatest technology then you have to suck it up and learn it. >> >> Kenny Peyatt jr. >> >> >>> On 5/11/2016 5:33 PM, net bat via Talk wrote: >>> when it does come out i will not upgrade if i can stop it. >>> some of there so called improvements is to block all browsers from >>> being used in the search engines. no matter what browser you have as >>> the default it will use edge. >>> unless someone comes out with a hack to stop this from happening. >>> http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-c >>> ost-expensive-secret/#2c69d01d403f >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-c >>> ost-expensive-secret/#2c69d01d403f >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- From: RJ Sandefur via Talk >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 1:00 PM >>> To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >>> Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility >>> >>> They're coming out with a major update in July from what I've read. >>> RJ >>> >>> >>>> On 5/11/2016 3:47 PM, Don H via Talk wrote: >>>> It is coming up on a year since Win 10 was released and still the >>>> new Edge browser isn't accessible. Makes you wonder if Microsoft >>>> is really making its products fully accessible in a reasonable >>>> amount of time. >>>> ___ >>>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of >>>> the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>>> >>>> For membership options, visit >>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/manbatsandefur %40outlook.com. >>>> >>>> For subscription options, visit >>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>>> List archives can be found at >>>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> >>> ___ >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of >>> the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>> >>> For member
Re: Windows 10 accessibility
Indeed. And Windows 7 will be supported until 2020. By that time, I'll need a new computer and I'll get what OS is out then. In the meantime, I have a scanner here that won't run under Windows 10 and I'm not replacing it until it quits. Evan -Original Message- From: Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 9:43 PM To: 'Darrell Bowles' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Windows 10 accessibility Who says you need the latest and greatest. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 9:29 PM To: Kenny Peyatt jr.; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility I agree. Gone are the days, when Internet explorer 5.5 was the only browser out there. Unfortunately, gone are the days it seems when Internet explorer was stable. But yes, times have changed and we can either turn with them, or protesting get spun off. Sent from my iPhone On May 11, 2016, at 9:25 PM, Kenny Peyatt jr. via Talk wrote: Times are changing. if we want to keep up with the latest and greatest technology then you have to suck it up and learn it. Kenny Peyatt jr. On 5/11/2016 5:33 PM, net bat via Talk wrote: when it does come out i will not upgrade if i can stop it. some of there so called improvements is to block all browsers from being used in the search engines. no matter what browser you have as the default it will use edge. unless someone comes out with a hack to stop this from happening. http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expe nsive-secret/#2c69d01d403f http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expe nsive-secret/#2c69d01d403f -Original Message- From: RJ Sandefur via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 1:00 PM To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility They're coming out with a major update in July from what I've read. RJ On 5/11/2016 3:47 PM, Don H via Talk wrote: It is coming up on a year since Win 10 was released and still the new Edge browser isn't accessible. Makes you wonder if Microsoft is really making its products fully accessible in a reasonable amount of time. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/manbatsandefur %40outlook.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comca st.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/p.wildcat1234% 40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn .com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40 gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For
Re: Windows 10 accessibility
Pam, This is the problem with articles from forbes, which is the basis upon which this thread was started. They are notorious among journalists for being sensationalist, scary, and light on facts. Go to their web site with an ad blocker active and they won't let you in unless you turn it off. And of course they promise few ads. Then it's literally like trying to find your way through a jungle of ads in order to find bits and pieces of the actual article scattered all over the page between ads. So at least for me, none of their material is worth reading. Next week they'll probably headline that they've discovered a huge conspiracy wherein Windows 10 was designed by the ultimate geek supremacist race to destroy humanity as we know it so the geeks can take over the world. They already have a million Bill Gates clones fascist militia, and well, you get the picture. smile. Tom On 5/12/2016 10:41 AM, Pamela Dominguez wrote: Oh, in that case, if it's that you have to be using courtana in order to have Edge be the only browser, then I am all right, because even if I got windows ten, I would not use courtana. Pam. -Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 3:03 AM To: Tom Fairhurst ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility They're not going to force anyone to use the Edge browser. All they're doing is making it the only choice if you search from the Cortana search box. And why not? Of course they're going to promote the use of their own products. If it's too much to open whatever browser you want and whatever search engine you want, which for me is done with one key stroke, well, maybe it's time to bow out of the computer world. Apple has probably been doing the same thing for years. Tom On 5/11/2016 10:57 PM, Tom Fairhurst via Talk wrote: Since we are on the subject of accessibility and web browsers, how will you solve captchas where am audio challenge is not presented? I haven't heard a word about this. I guess you can use Fire Fox until Windows 10 forces you to use the Edge browser. I am not going to Windows 10 until this question has a firm answer. -Original Message- From: Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 8:29 PM To: Kenny Peyatt jr. ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility I agree. Gone are the days, when Internet explorer 5.5 was the only browser out there. Unfortunately, gone are the days it seems when Internet explorer was stable. But yes, times have changed and we can either turn with them, or protesting get spun off. Sent from my iPhone On May 11, 2016, at 9:25 PM, Kenny Peyatt jr. via Talk wrote: Times are changing. if we want to keep up with the latest and greatest technology then you have to suck it up and learn it. Kenny Peyatt jr. On 5/11/2016 5:33 PM, net bat via Talk wrote: when it does come out i will not upgrade if i can stop it. some of there so called improvements is to block all browsers from being used in the search engines. no matter what browser you have as the default it will use edge. unless someone comes out with a hack to stop this from happening. http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expensive-secret/#2c69d01d403f http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expensive-secret/#2c69d01d403f -Original Message- From: RJ Sandefur via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 1:00 PM To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility They're coming out with a major update in July from what I've read. RJ On 5/11/2016 3:47 PM, Don H via Talk wrote: It is coming up on a year since Win 10 was released and still the new Edge browser isn't accessible. Makes you wonder if Microsoft is really making its products fully accessible in a reasonable amount of time. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/manbatsandefur%40outlook.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___
Re: Windows 10 accessibility
Oh, in that case, if it's that you have to be using courtana in order to have Edge be the only browser, then I am all right, because even if I got windows ten, I would not use courtana. Pam. -Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 3:03 AM To: Tom Fairhurst ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility They're not going to force anyone to use the Edge browser. All they're doing is making it the only choice if you search from the Cortana search box. And why not? Of course they're going to promote the use of their own products. If it's too much to open whatever browser you want and whatever search engine you want, which for me is done with one key stroke, well, maybe it's time to bow out of the computer world. Apple has probably been doing the same thing for years. Tom On 5/11/2016 10:57 PM, Tom Fairhurst via Talk wrote: Since we are on the subject of accessibility and web browsers, how will you solve captchas where am audio challenge is not presented? I haven't heard a word about this. I guess you can use Fire Fox until Windows 10 forces you to use the Edge browser. I am not going to Windows 10 until this question has a firm answer. -Original Message- From: Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 8:29 PM To: Kenny Peyatt jr. ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility I agree. Gone are the days, when Internet explorer 5.5 was the only browser out there. Unfortunately, gone are the days it seems when Internet explorer was stable. But yes, times have changed and we can either turn with them, or protesting get spun off. Sent from my iPhone On May 11, 2016, at 9:25 PM, Kenny Peyatt jr. via Talk wrote: Times are changing. if we want to keep up with the latest and greatest technology then you have to suck it up and learn it. Kenny Peyatt jr. On 5/11/2016 5:33 PM, net bat via Talk wrote: when it does come out i will not upgrade if i can stop it. some of there so called improvements is to block all browsers from being used in the search engines. no matter what browser you have as the default it will use edge. unless someone comes out with a hack to stop this from happening. http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expensive-secret/#2c69d01d403f http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expensive-secret/#2c69d01d403f -Original Message- From: RJ Sandefur via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 1:00 PM To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility They're coming out with a major update in July from what I've read. RJ On 5/11/2016 3:47 PM, Don H via Talk wrote: It is coming up on a year since Win 10 was released and still the new Edge browser isn't accessible. Makes you wonder if Microsoft is really making its products fully accessible in a reasonable amount of time. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/manbatsandefur%40outlook.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/p.wildcat1234%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any vi
Re: Windows 10 accessibility
Yes, but if they make it so that you can only use edge, which they seem to be saying they will, then it most definitely is critical. Pam. -Original Message- From: Tom Kingston via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 8:52 PM To: Evan Reese ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility Evan, I don't know this for sure, but I imagine these days Microsoft is putting what we call the "stubs" for accessibility in from the beginning. So they just have to be flushed out later. Like Apple and everyone else we're always on the bottom of the priority list. That's just how it is when you're a tiny minority of their customer base. And while I'm not letting Microsoft off the hook,the Edge browser isn't exactly critical when we have three other browsers to choose from. Regards, Tom On 5/11/2016 8:06 PM, Evan Reese via Talk wrote: Is there some reason they couldn't have built accessibility into the Edge browser from the beginning? Now they have to bolt it on, which is never as good. Evan -Original Message- From: Tony C via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 6:41 PM To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility Yes, Edge is being worked on. For the time being we have a good browser IE to use. II' would rather them take their time and MAYBE get it right.. -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 5:39 PM To: RJ Sandefur ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility I have read several articles that confirm Microsoft is working on accessibility to the edge browser. It's coming. Relax. On 5/11/2016 4:03 PM, RJ Sandefur via Talk wrote: I totally agree with you for saying it like it is! I myself have spoken with microsoft disability answer desk, and their working on these things. RJ On 5/11/2016 3:51 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: You know what, I'm sorry, that everything is not coming to speed as much as you may like. I work in the disabilities office, in which the school never wants to do things timely. I deal with everything from broken software, to websites, even electronic textbooks. Microsoft has said that they are working on edge improvements, as well as improvements to narrator. If you don't believe me, Google and find out. Instead of complaining on this list about the lack of accessibility, complaint to Microsoft. AI squared, is not responsible for dealing with your complaints to Microsoft. Sent from my iPhone On May 11, 2016, at 3:48 PM, Don H via Talk wrote: It is coming up on a year since Win 10 was released and still the new Edge browser isn't accessible. Makes you wonder if Microsoft is really making its products fully accessible in a reasonable amount of time. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/manbatsandefur%40outlook.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rascal0826%40verizon.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40mediacombb.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membersh
Re: Windows 10 accessibility
They're not going to force anyone to use the Edge browser. All they're doing is making it the only choice if you search from the Cortana search box. And why not? Of course they're going to promote the use of their own products. If it's too much to open whatever browser you want and whatever search engine you want, which for me is done with one key stroke, well, maybe it's time to bow out of the computer world. Apple has probably been doing the same thing for years. Tom On 5/11/2016 10:57 PM, Tom Fairhurst via Talk wrote: Since we are on the subject of accessibility and web browsers, how will you solve captchas where am audio challenge is not presented? I haven't heard a word about this. I guess you can use Fire Fox until Windows 10 forces you to use the Edge browser. I am not going to Windows 10 until this question has a firm answer. -Original Message- From: Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 8:29 PM To: Kenny Peyatt jr. ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility I agree. Gone are the days, when Internet explorer 5.5 was the only browser out there. Unfortunately, gone are the days it seems when Internet explorer was stable. But yes, times have changed and we can either turn with them, or protesting get spun off. Sent from my iPhone On May 11, 2016, at 9:25 PM, Kenny Peyatt jr. via Talk wrote: Times are changing. if we want to keep up with the latest and greatest technology then you have to suck it up and learn it. Kenny Peyatt jr. On 5/11/2016 5:33 PM, net bat via Talk wrote: when it does come out i will not upgrade if i can stop it. some of there so called improvements is to block all browsers from being used in the search engines. no matter what browser you have as the default it will use edge. unless someone comes out with a hack to stop this from happening. http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expensive-secret/#2c69d01d403f http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expensive-secret/#2c69d01d403f -Original Message- From: RJ Sandefur via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 1:00 PM To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility They're coming out with a major update in July from what I've read. RJ On 5/11/2016 3:47 PM, Don H via Talk wrote: It is coming up on a year since Win 10 was released and still the new Edge browser isn't accessible. Makes you wonder if Microsoft is really making its products fully accessible in a reasonable amount of time. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/manbatsandefur%40outlook.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/p.wildcat1234%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tfairhurst%40kc.rr.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://
Re: Windows 10 accessibility
I've never liked the way Bing search results have been presentede so I always change the search engine options in whatever browser I'm using. I hope that Microsoft lets us continue to make these choices! Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net On 5/11/2016 11:17 PM, net bat wrote: it won't be a problem until the next version. then you won't have a choice. it will be bing and edge or die. i amagen you would still be able to go to the google.com site and use it from there. -Original Message- From: Bob Tinney Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 6:10 PM To: net bat Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility I don't use Bing, I use Google instead, so I've never noticed this problem. Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net On 5/11/2016 8:14 PM, net bat wrote: if you read the artical you would find out microsofts search engine will use edge no matter which browser you have as the default in the next version. you won't have any choice. -Original Message- From: Bob Tinney via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 5:10 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility In windows 10, You can set the default browser you want to use just by going in to a search box and typing default browser and hitting enter. The browser that is shown is the one that is the current default.� If you activate that button, your given other browser options and in my case that includes IE, Firefox, Google Chrome, and Edge.� Sometimes after a Windows 10 update, I'll get a dialogue box asking me if I still want to use IE and IE stays my default browser unless I want to switch to another browser. Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net On 5/11/2016 5:33 PM, net bat via Talk wrote: when it does come out i will not upgrade if i can stop it. some of there so called improvements� is to block all browsers from being used in the search engines. no matter what browser you have as the default it will use edge. unless someone comes out with a hack to stop this from happening. http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expensive-secret/#2c69d01d403f http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expensive-secret/#2c69d01d403f -Original Message- From: RJ Sandefur via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 1:00 PM To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility They're coming out with a major update in July from what I've read. RJ On 5/11/2016 3:47 PM, Don H via Talk wrote: It is coming up on a year since Win 10 was released and still the new Edge browser isn't accessible.� Makes you wonder if Microsoft is really making its products fully accessible in a reasonable amount of time. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/manbatsandefur%40outlook.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tinneyb%40charter.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.c
RE: Windows 10 accessibility
You can download webvisum again with the latest version of firefox. Google webvisum blindbargains.com and that should do it. Charlie Short -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+clshort=verizon@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fairhurst via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 10:57 PM To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility Since we are on the subject of accessibility and web browsers, how will you solve captchas where am audio challenge is not presented? I haven't heard a word about this. I guess you can use Fire Fox until Windows 10 forces you to use the Edge browser. I am not going to Windows 10 until this question has a firm answer. -Original Message- From: Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 8:29 PM To: Kenny Peyatt jr. ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility I agree. Gone are the days, when Internet explorer 5.5 was the only browser out there. Unfortunately, gone are the days it seems when Internet explorer was stable. But yes, times have changed and we can either turn with them, or protesting get spun off. Sent from my iPhone > On May 11, 2016, at 9:25 PM, Kenny Peyatt jr. via Talk > wrote: > > Times are changing. if we want to keep up with the latest and greatest > technology then you have to suck it up and learn it. > > Kenny Peyatt jr. > > >> On 5/11/2016 5:33 PM, net bat via Talk wrote: >> when it does come out i will not upgrade if i can stop it. >> some of there so called improvements is to block all browsers from >> being used in the search engines. no matter what browser you have as >> the default it will use edge. >> unless someone comes out with a hack to stop this from happening. >> http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-co >> st-expensive-secret/#2c69d01d403f >> >> >> http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-co >> st-expensive-secret/#2c69d01d403f >> >> -Original Message- From: RJ Sandefur via Talk >> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 1:00 PM >> To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility >> >> They're coming out with a major update in July from what I've read. >> RJ >> >> >>> On 5/11/2016 3:47 PM, Don H via Talk wrote: >>> It is coming up on a year since Win 10 was released and still the >>> new Edge browser isn't accessible. Makes you wonder if Microsoft is >>> really making its products fully accessible in a reasonable amount of time. >>> ___ >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of >>> the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>> >>> For membership options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/manbatsandefur %40outlook.com. >>> For subscription options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> List archives can be found at >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comca st.net. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/p.wildcat1234% 40gmail.com. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn .com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives c
Re: Windows 10 accessibility
the microsoft gods. but like all companies that get too big for there britches, they willemplode upon themselves into non existance. -Original Message- From: Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 6:43 PM To: 'Darrell Bowles' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Windows 10 accessibility Who says you need the latest and greatest. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 9:29 PM To: Kenny Peyatt jr.; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility I agree. Gone are the days, when Internet explorer 5.5 was the only browser out there. Unfortunately, gone are the days it seems when Internet explorer was stable. But yes, times have changed and we can either turn with them, or protesting get spun off. Sent from my iPhone On May 11, 2016, at 9:25 PM, Kenny Peyatt jr. via Talk wrote: Times are changing. if we want to keep up with the latest and greatest technology then you have to suck it up and learn it. Kenny Peyatt jr. On 5/11/2016 5:33 PM, net bat via Talk wrote: when it does come out i will not upgrade if i can stop it. some of there so called improvements is to block all browsers from being used in the search engines. no matter what browser you have as the default it will use edge. unless someone comes out with a hack to stop this from happening. http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expe nsive-secret/#2c69d01d403f http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expe nsive-secret/#2c69d01d403f -Original Message- From: RJ Sandefur via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 1:00 PM To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility They're coming out with a major update in July from what I've read. RJ On 5/11/2016 3:47 PM, Don H via Talk wrote: It is coming up on a year since Win 10 was released and still the new Edge browser isn't accessible. Makes you wonder if Microsoft is really making its products fully accessible in a reasonable amount of time. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/manbatsandefur %40outlook.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comca st.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/p.wildcat1234% 40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn .com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40 gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comcast.net. For subscription
Re: Windows 10 accessibility
Since we are on the subject of accessibility and web browsers, how will you solve captchas where am audio challenge is not presented? I haven't heard a word about this. I guess you can use Fire Fox until Windows 10 forces you to use the Edge browser. I am not going to Windows 10 until this question has a firm answer. -Original Message- From: Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 8:29 PM To: Kenny Peyatt jr. ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility I agree. Gone are the days, when Internet explorer 5.5 was the only browser out there. Unfortunately, gone are the days it seems when Internet explorer was stable. But yes, times have changed and we can either turn with them, or protesting get spun off. Sent from my iPhone On May 11, 2016, at 9:25 PM, Kenny Peyatt jr. via Talk wrote: Times are changing. if we want to keep up with the latest and greatest technology then you have to suck it up and learn it. Kenny Peyatt jr. On 5/11/2016 5:33 PM, net bat via Talk wrote: when it does come out i will not upgrade if i can stop it. some of there so called improvements is to block all browsers from being used in the search engines. no matter what browser you have as the default it will use edge. unless someone comes out with a hack to stop this from happening. http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expensive-secret/#2c69d01d403f http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expensive-secret/#2c69d01d403f -Original Message- From: RJ Sandefur via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 1:00 PM To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility They're coming out with a major update in July from what I've read. RJ On 5/11/2016 3:47 PM, Don H via Talk wrote: It is coming up on a year since Win 10 was released and still the new Edge browser isn't accessible. Makes you wonder if Microsoft is really making its products fully accessible in a reasonable amount of time. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/manbatsandefur%40outlook.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/p.wildcat1234%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tfairhurst%40kc.rr.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/pri
RE: Windows 10 accessibility
Who says you need the latest and greatest. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 9:29 PM To: Kenny Peyatt jr.; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility I agree. Gone are the days, when Internet explorer 5.5 was the only browser out there. Unfortunately, gone are the days it seems when Internet explorer was stable. But yes, times have changed and we can either turn with them, or protesting get spun off. Sent from my iPhone > On May 11, 2016, at 9:25 PM, Kenny Peyatt jr. via Talk wrote: > > Times are changing. if we want to keep up with the latest and greatest technology then you have to suck it up and learn it. > > Kenny Peyatt jr. > > >> On 5/11/2016 5:33 PM, net bat via Talk wrote: >> when it does come out i will not upgrade if i can stop it. >> some of there so called improvements is to block all browsers from being used in the search engines. no matter what browser you have as the default it will use edge. >> unless someone comes out with a hack to stop this from happening. >> http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expe nsive-secret/#2c69d01d403f >> >> >> http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expe nsive-secret/#2c69d01d403f >> >> -Original Message- From: RJ Sandefur via Talk >> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 1:00 PM >> To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility >> >> They're coming out with a major update in July from what I've read. RJ >> >> >>> On 5/11/2016 3:47 PM, Don H via Talk wrote: >>> It is coming up on a year since Win 10 was released and still the new Edge browser isn't accessible. Makes you wonder if Microsoft is really making its products fully accessible in a reasonable amount of time. >>> ___ >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>> >>> For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/manbatsandefur %40outlook.com. >>> For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comca st.net. >> For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/p.wildcat1234% 40gmail.com. >> For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn .com. > For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40 gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Windows 10 accessibility
It would occur to me that this might be one reason Microsoft has made it so that screen reader users will not be required to update before the July deadline. Carol On 5/11/2016 8:14 PM, net bat via Talk wrote: if you read the artical you would find out microsofts search engine will use edge no matter which browser you have as the default in the next version. you won't have any choice. -Original Message- From: Bob Tinney via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 5:10 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility In windows 10, You can set the default browser you want to use just by going in to a search box and typing default browser and hitting enter. The browser that is shown is the one that is the current default. If you activate that button, your given other browser options and in my case that includes IE, Firefox, Google Chrome, and Edge. Sometimes after a Windows 10 update, I'll get a dialogue box asking me if I still want to use IE and IE stays my default browser unless I want to switch to another browser. Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net On 5/11/2016 5:33 PM, net bat via Talk wrote: when it does come out i will not upgrade if i can stop it. some of there so called improvements is to block all browsers from being used in the search engines. no matter what browser you have as the default it will use edge. unless someone comes out with a hack to stop this from happening. http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expensive-secret/#2c69d01d403f http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expensive-secret/#2c69d01d403f -Original Message- From: RJ Sandefur via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 1:00 PM To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility They're coming out with a major update in July from what I've read. RJ On 5/11/2016 3:47 PM, Don H via Talk wrote: It is coming up on a year since Win 10 was released and still the new Edge browser isn't accessible. Makes you wonder if Microsoft is really making its products fully accessible in a reasonable amount of time. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/manbatsandefur%40outlook.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tinneyb%40charter.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/carogsmith%40embarqmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.win
Re: Windows 10 accessibility
I agree. Gone are the days, when Internet explorer 5.5 was the only browser out there. Unfortunately, gone are the days it seems when Internet explorer was stable. But yes, times have changed and we can either turn with them, or protesting get spun off. Sent from my iPhone > On May 11, 2016, at 9:25 PM, Kenny Peyatt jr. via Talk > wrote: > > Times are changing. if we want to keep up with the latest and greatest > technology then you have to suck it up and learn it. > > Kenny Peyatt jr. > > >> On 5/11/2016 5:33 PM, net bat via Talk wrote: >> when it does come out i will not upgrade if i can stop it. >> some of there so called improvements is to block all browsers from being >> used in the search engines. no matter what browser you have as the default >> it will use edge. >> unless someone comes out with a hack to stop this from happening. >> http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expensive-secret/#2c69d01d403f >> >> >> >> http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expensive-secret/#2c69d01d403f >> >> >> -Original Message- From: RJ Sandefur via Talk >> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 1:00 PM >> To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility >> >> They're coming out with a major update in July from what I've read. RJ >> >> >>> On 5/11/2016 3:47 PM, Don H via Talk wrote: >>> It is coming up on a year since Win 10 was released and still the new Edge >>> browser isn't accessible. Makes you wonder if Microsoft is really making >>> its products fully accessible in a reasonable amount of time. >>> ___ >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>> >>> For membership options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/manbatsandefur%40outlook.com. >>> For subscription options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> List archives can be found at >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author >> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comcast.net. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author >> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/p.wildcat1234%40gmail.com. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Windows 10 accessibility
Times are changing. if we want to keep up with the latest and greatest technology then you have to suck it up and learn it. Kenny Peyatt jr. On 5/11/2016 5:33 PM, net bat via Talk wrote: when it does come out i will not upgrade if i can stop it. some of there so called improvements is to block all browsers from being used in the search engines. no matter what browser you have as the default it will use edge. unless someone comes out with a hack to stop this from happening. http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expensive-secret/#2c69d01d403f http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expensive-secret/#2c69d01d403f -Original Message- From: RJ Sandefur via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 1:00 PM To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility They're coming out with a major update in July from what I've read. RJ On 5/11/2016 3:47 PM, Don H via Talk wrote: It is coming up on a year since Win 10 was released and still the new Edge browser isn't accessible. Makes you wonder if Microsoft is really making its products fully accessible in a reasonable amount of time. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/manbatsandefur%40outlook.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/p.wildcat1234%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Windows 10 accessibility
They are sticking with there promise. It does take time when it comes to new operating systems. Kenny Peyatt jr. On 5/11/2016 3:47 PM, Don H via Talk wrote: It is coming up on a year since Win 10 was released and still the new Edge browser isn't accessible. Makes you wonder if Microsoft is really making its products fully accessible in a reasonable amount of time. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/p.wildcat1234%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Windows 10 accessibility
Evan, I don't know this for sure, but I imagine these days Microsoft is putting what we call the "stubs" for accessibility in from the beginning. So they just have to be flushed out later. Like Apple and everyone else we're always on the bottom of the priority list. That's just how it is when you're a tiny minority of their customer base. And while I'm not letting Microsoft off the hook,the Edge browser isn't exactly critical when we have three other browsers to choose from. Regards, Tom On 5/11/2016 8:06 PM, Evan Reese via Talk wrote: Is there some reason they couldn't have built accessibility into the Edge browser from the beginning? Now they have to bolt it on, which is never as good. Evan -Original Message- From: Tony C via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 6:41 PM To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility Yes, Edge is being worked on. For the time being we have a good browser IE to use. II' would rather them take their time and MAYBE get it right.. -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 5:39 PM To: RJ Sandefur ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility I have read several articles that confirm Microsoft is working on accessibility to the edge browser. It's coming. Relax. On 5/11/2016 4:03 PM, RJ Sandefur via Talk wrote: I totally agree with you for saying it like it is! I myself have spoken with microsoft disability answer desk, and their working on these things. RJ On 5/11/2016 3:51 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: You know what, I'm sorry, that everything is not coming to speed as much as you may like. I work in the disabilities office, in which the school never wants to do things timely. I deal with everything from broken software, to websites, even electronic textbooks. Microsoft has said that they are working on edge improvements, as well as improvements to narrator. If you don't believe me, Google and find out. Instead of complaining on this list about the lack of accessibility, complaint to Microsoft. AI squared, is not responsible for dealing with your complaints to Microsoft. Sent from my iPhone On May 11, 2016, at 3:48 PM, Don H via Talk wrote: It is coming up on a year since Win 10 was released and still the new Edge browser isn't accessible. Makes you wonder if Microsoft is really making its products fully accessible in a reasonable amount of time. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/manbatsandefur%40outlook.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rascal0826%40verizon.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40mediacombb.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/mentat1%40dslextreme.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___
Re: Windows 10 accessibility
if you read the artical you would find out microsofts search engine will use edge no matter which browser you have as the default in the next version. you won't have any choice. -Original Message- From: Bob Tinney via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 5:10 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility In windows 10, You can set the default browser you want to use just by going in to a search box and typing default browser and hitting enter. The browser that is shown is the one that is the current default. If you activate that button, your given other browser options and in my case that includes IE, Firefox, Google Chrome, and Edge. Sometimes after a Windows 10 update, I'll get a dialogue box asking me if I still want to use IE and IE stays my default browser unless I want to switch to another browser. Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net On 5/11/2016 5:33 PM, net bat via Talk wrote: when it does come out i will not upgrade if i can stop it. some of there so called improvements is to block all browsers from being used in the search engines. no matter what browser you have as the default it will use edge. unless someone comes out with a hack to stop this from happening. http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expensive-secret/#2c69d01d403f http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expensive-secret/#2c69d01d403f -Original Message- From: RJ Sandefur via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 1:00 PM To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility They're coming out with a major update in July from what I've read. RJ On 5/11/2016 3:47 PM, Don H via Talk wrote: It is coming up on a year since Win 10 was released and still the new Edge browser isn't accessible. Makes you wonder if Microsoft is really making its products fully accessible in a reasonable amount of time. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/manbatsandefur%40outlook.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tinneyb%40charter.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Windows 10 accessibility
In windows 10, You can set the default browser you want to use just by going in to a search box and typing default browser and hitting enter. The browser that is shown is the one that is the current default. If you activate that button, your given other browser options and in my case that includes IE, Firefox, Google Chrome, and Edge. Sometimes after a Windows 10 update, I'll get a dialogue box asking me if I still want to use IE and IE stays my default browser unless I want to switch to another browser. Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net On 5/11/2016 5:33 PM, net bat via Talk wrote: when it does come out i will not upgrade if i can stop it. some of there so called improvements is to block all browsers from being used in the search engines. no matter what browser you have as the default it will use edge. unless someone comes out with a hack to stop this from happening. http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expensive-secret/#2c69d01d403f http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expensive-secret/#2c69d01d403f -Original Message- From: RJ Sandefur via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 1:00 PM To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility They're coming out with a major update in July from what I've read. RJ On 5/11/2016 3:47 PM, Don H via Talk wrote: It is coming up on a year since Win 10 was released and still the new Edge browser isn't accessible. Makes you wonder if Microsoft is really making its products fully accessible in a reasonable amount of time. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/manbatsandefur%40outlook.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tinneyb%40charter.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Windows 10 accessibility
Yes: intracorporate non-communications. I listened to a great deal of ACB's Convention last year, where Microsoft promoted its commitment to accessibility as being directed by its new Chief Executive, and whilst I think we await outcomes with cautious optimism, this Edge mistake should not have occurred. , Vaughan. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Evan Reese via Talk Sent: Thursday, 12 May 2016 12:06 p.m. To: Tony C; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility Is there some reason they couldn't have built accessibility into the Edge browser from the beginning? Now they have to bolt it on, which is never as good. Evan -Original Message- From: Tony C via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 6:41 PM To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility Yes, Edge is being worked on. For the time being we have a good browser IE to use. II' would rather them take their time and MAYBE get it right.. -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 5:39 PM To: RJ Sandefur ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility I have read several articles that confirm Microsoft is working on accessibility to the edge browser. It's coming. Relax. On 5/11/2016 4:03 PM, RJ Sandefur via Talk wrote: > I totally agree with you for saying it like it is! I myself have > spoken with microsoft disability answer desk, and their working on these > things. > RJ > > > On 5/11/2016 3:51 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: >> You know what, I'm sorry, that everything is not coming to speed as >> much as you may like. I work in the disabilities office, in which the >> school never wants to do things timely. I deal with everything from >> broken software, to websites, even electronic textbooks. Microsoft >> has said that they are working on edge improvements, as well as >> improvements to narrator. If you don't believe me, Google and find >> out. Instead of complaining on this list about the lack of >> accessibility, complaint to Microsoft. AI squared, is not responsible >> for dealing with your complaints to Microsoft. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 11, 2016, at 3:48 PM, Don H via Talk >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> It is coming up on a year since Win 10 was released and still the >>> new Edge browser isn't accessible. Makes you wonder if Microsoft is >>> really making its products fully accessible in a reasonable amount of time. >>> ___ >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of >>> the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>> >>> For membership options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com. >>> For subscription options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> List archives can be found at >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/manbatsandefur%40outlook.com. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rascal0826%40verizon.net. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40mediacombb.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.
Re: Windows 10 accessibility
Is there some reason they couldn't have built accessibility into the Edge browser from the beginning? Now they have to bolt it on, which is never as good. Evan -Original Message- From: Tony C via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 6:41 PM To: Chris Skarstad ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility Yes, Edge is being worked on. For the time being we have a good browser IE to use. II' would rather them take their time and MAYBE get it right.. -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 5:39 PM To: RJ Sandefur ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility I have read several articles that confirm Microsoft is working on accessibility to the edge browser. It's coming. Relax. On 5/11/2016 4:03 PM, RJ Sandefur via Talk wrote: I totally agree with you for saying it like it is! I myself have spoken with microsoft disability answer desk, and their working on these things. RJ On 5/11/2016 3:51 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: You know what, I'm sorry, that everything is not coming to speed as much as you may like. I work in the disabilities office, in which the school never wants to do things timely. I deal with everything from broken software, to websites, even electronic textbooks. Microsoft has said that they are working on edge improvements, as well as improvements to narrator. If you don't believe me, Google and find out. Instead of complaining on this list about the lack of accessibility, complaint to Microsoft. AI squared, is not responsible for dealing with your complaints to Microsoft. Sent from my iPhone On May 11, 2016, at 3:48 PM, Don H via Talk wrote: It is coming up on a year since Win 10 was released and still the new Edge browser isn't accessible. Makes you wonder if Microsoft is really making its products fully accessible in a reasonable amount of time. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/manbatsandefur%40outlook.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rascal0826%40verizon.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40mediacombb.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/mentat1%40dslextreme.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Windows 10 accessibility
The same goes here in Canada. Today, I took a trip to our local disability resource centre here in Victoria and they had Office 2010 on their windows 10 public computers, so I put Window-Eyes on two of them, except the other second one that I put Window-Eyes on doesn't function as well as it does because they have MacAfee Virus on it and the other one has security esentials. The one with security esentials works great on Window-Eyes. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 12:51 PM To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility You know what, I'm sorry, that everything is not coming to speed as much as you may like. I work in the disabilities office, in which the school never wants to do things timely. I deal with everything from broken software, to websites, even electronic textbooks. Microsoft has said that they are working on edge improvements, as well as improvements to narrator. If you don't believe me, Google and find out. Instead of complaining on this list about the lack of accessibility, complaint to Microsoft. AI squared, is not responsible for dealing with your complaints to Microsoft. Sent from my iPhone > On May 11, 2016, at 3:48 PM, Don H via Talk wrote: > > It is coming up on a year since Win 10 was released and still the new Edge browser isn't accessible. Makes you wonder if Microsoft is really making its products fully accessible in a reasonable amount of time. > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn .com. > For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40shaw.ca . For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Windows 10 accessibility
Hello, i agree that i'd rather hav it done right also. Its nerve racking, yes maybe, but, it will mostely likely be totally awesome when it does finally work. Just my two cents. Scott On 5/11/2016 6:41 PM, Tony C via Talk wrote: Yes, Edge is being worked on. For the time being we have a good browser IE to use. II' would rather them take their time and MAYBE get it right.. -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 5:39 PM To: RJ Sandefur ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility I have read several articles that confirm Microsoft is working on accessibility to the edge browser. It's coming. Relax. On 5/11/2016 4:03 PM, RJ Sandefur via Talk wrote: I totally agree with you for saying it like it is! I myself have spoken with microsoft disability answer desk, and their working on these things. RJ On 5/11/2016 3:51 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: You know what, I'm sorry, that everything is not coming to speed as much as you may like. I work in the disabilities office, in which the school never wants to do things timely. I deal with everything from broken software, to websites, even electronic textbooks. Microsoft has said that they are working on edge improvements, as well as improvements to narrator. If you don't believe me, Google and find out. Instead of complaining on this list about the lack of accessibility, complaint to Microsoft. AI squared, is not responsible for dealing with your complaints to Microsoft. Sent from my iPhone On May 11, 2016, at 3:48 PM, Don H via Talk wrote: It is coming up on a year since Win 10 was released and still the new Edge browser isn't accessible. Makes you wonder if Microsoft is really making its products fully accessible in a reasonable amount of time. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/manbatsandefur%40outlook.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rascal0826%40verizon.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40mediacombb.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/scottvandewalle2%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Windows 10 accessibility
Yes, Edge is being worked on. For the time being we have a good browser IE to use. II' would rather them take their time and MAYBE get it right.. -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 5:39 PM To: RJ Sandefur ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility I have read several articles that confirm Microsoft is working on accessibility to the edge browser. It's coming. Relax. On 5/11/2016 4:03 PM, RJ Sandefur via Talk wrote: I totally agree with you for saying it like it is! I myself have spoken with microsoft disability answer desk, and their working on these things. RJ On 5/11/2016 3:51 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: You know what, I'm sorry, that everything is not coming to speed as much as you may like. I work in the disabilities office, in which the school never wants to do things timely. I deal with everything from broken software, to websites, even electronic textbooks. Microsoft has said that they are working on edge improvements, as well as improvements to narrator. If you don't believe me, Google and find out. Instead of complaining on this list about the lack of accessibility, complaint to Microsoft. AI squared, is not responsible for dealing with your complaints to Microsoft. Sent from my iPhone On May 11, 2016, at 3:48 PM, Don H via Talk wrote: It is coming up on a year since Win 10 was released and still the new Edge browser isn't accessible. Makes you wonder if Microsoft is really making its products fully accessible in a reasonable amount of time. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/manbatsandefur%40outlook.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rascal0826%40verizon.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40mediacombb.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Windows 10 accessibility
I have read several articles that confirm Microsoft is working on accessibility to the edge browser. It's coming. Relax. On 5/11/2016 4:03 PM, RJ Sandefur via Talk wrote: I totally agree with you for saying it like it is! I myself have spoken with microsoft disability answer desk, and their working on these things. RJ On 5/11/2016 3:51 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: You know what, I'm sorry, that everything is not coming to speed as much as you may like. I work in the disabilities office, in which the school never wants to do things timely. I deal with everything from broken software, to websites, even electronic textbooks. Microsoft has said that they are working on edge improvements, as well as improvements to narrator. If you don't believe me, Google and find out. Instead of complaining on this list about the lack of accessibility, complaint to Microsoft. AI squared, is not responsible for dealing with your complaints to Microsoft. Sent from my iPhone On May 11, 2016, at 3:48 PM, Don H via Talk wrote: It is coming up on a year since Win 10 was released and still the new Edge browser isn't accessible. Makes you wonder if Microsoft is really making its products fully accessible in a reasonable amount of time. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/manbatsandefur%40outlook.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/rascal0826%40verizon.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Windows 10 accessibility
And we should hold them accountable, most definitely. But they have been making changes, and I have been monitoring those changes quite closely. It's part of my job description. Sent from my iPhone > On May 11, 2016, at 5:37 PM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk > wrote: > > I'm expecting Microsoft to be held to account at the two big conventions > later this year. Lots of hand wringing a year ago when MS said "sorry" for > not making Edge accessible - for how long can they stay "sorry?" > > Vaughan. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On > Behalf Of net bat via Talk > Sent: Thursday, 12 May 2016 9:33 a.m. > To: RJ Sandefur; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility > > when it does come out i will not upgrade if i can stop it. > some of there so called improvements is to block all browsers from being > used in the search engines. no matter what browser you have as the default it > will use edge. > unless someone comes out with a hack to stop this from happening. > http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expensive-secret/#2c69d01d403f > > > http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expensive-secret/#2c69d01d403f > > -Original Message- > From: RJ Sandefur via Talk > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 1:00 PM > To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility > > They're coming out with a major update in July from what I've read. RJ > > >> On 5/11/2016 3:47 PM, Don H via Talk wrote: >> It is coming up on a year since Win 10 was released and still the new >> Edge browser isn't accessible. Makes you wonder if Microsoft is >> really making its products fully accessible in a reasonable amount of time. >> ___ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/manbatsandefur%40outlook.com. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comcast.net. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/vaughan.dodd001%40msd.govt.nz. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > --- > This email and any attachments may contain information that is confidential > and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, any > use, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this email and attachments > is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the > author immediately and erase all copies of the email and attachments. The > Ministry of Social Development accepts no responsibility for changes made to > this message or attachments after transmission from the Ministry. > > --- > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Windows 10 accessibility
Contact me off list. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of net bat via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 5:33 PM To: RJ Sandefur; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility when it does come out i will not upgrade if i can stop it. some of there so called improvements is to block all browsers from being used in the search engines. no matter what browser you have as the default it will use edge. unless someone comes out with a hack to stop this from happening. http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expe nsive-secret/#2c69d01d403f http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expe nsive-secret/#2c69d01d403f -Original Message- From: RJ Sandefur via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 1:00 PM To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility They're coming out with a major update in July from what I've read. RJ On 5/11/2016 3:47 PM, Don H via Talk wrote: > It is coming up on a year since Win 10 was released and still the new > Edge browser isn't accessible. Makes you wonder if Microsoft is > really making its products fully accessible in a reasonable amount of time. > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/manbatsandefur %40outlook.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comca st.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dennisl1982%40 gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Windows 10 accessibility
I'm expecting Microsoft to be held to account at the two big conventions later this year. Lots of hand wringing a year ago when MS said "sorry" for not making Edge accessible - for how long can they stay "sorry?" Vaughan. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of net bat via Talk Sent: Thursday, 12 May 2016 9:33 a.m. To: RJ Sandefur; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility when it does come out i will not upgrade if i can stop it. some of there so called improvements is to block all browsers from being used in the search engines. no matter what browser you have as the default it will use edge. unless someone comes out with a hack to stop this from happening. http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expensive-secret/#2c69d01d403f http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expensive-secret/#2c69d01d403f -Original Message- From: RJ Sandefur via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 1:00 PM To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility They're coming out with a major update in July from what I've read. RJ On 5/11/2016 3:47 PM, Don H via Talk wrote: > It is coming up on a year since Win 10 was released and still the new > Edge browser isn't accessible. Makes you wonder if Microsoft is > really making its products fully accessible in a reasonable amount of time. > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/manbatsandefur%40outlook.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/vaughan.dodd001%40msd.govt.nz. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com --- This email and any attachments may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this email and attachments is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the author immediately and erase all copies of the email and attachments. The Ministry of Social Development accepts no responsibility for changes made to this message or attachments after transmission from the Ministry. --- ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Windows 10 accessibility
when it does come out i will not upgrade if i can stop it. some of there so called improvements is to block all browsers from being used in the search engines. no matter what browser you have as the default it will use edge. unless someone comes out with a hack to stop this from happening. http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expensive-secret/#2c69d01d403f http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/04/29/free-windows-10-cost-expensive-secret/#2c69d01d403f -Original Message- From: RJ Sandefur via Talk Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 1:00 PM To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Windows 10 accessibility They're coming out with a major update in July from what I've read. RJ On 5/11/2016 3:47 PM, Don H via Talk wrote: It is coming up on a year since Win 10 was released and still the new Edge browser isn't accessible. Makes you wonder if Microsoft is really making its products fully accessible in a reasonable amount of time. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/manbatsandefur%40outlook.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Windows 10 accessibility
I totally agree with you for saying it like it is! I myself have spoken with microsoft disability answer desk, and their working on these things. RJ On 5/11/2016 3:51 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote: You know what, I'm sorry, that everything is not coming to speed as much as you may like. I work in the disabilities office, in which the school never wants to do things timely. I deal with everything from broken software, to websites, even electronic textbooks. Microsoft has said that they are working on edge improvements, as well as improvements to narrator. If you don't believe me, Google and find out. Instead of complaining on this list about the lack of accessibility, complaint to Microsoft. AI squared, is not responsible for dealing with your complaints to Microsoft. Sent from my iPhone On May 11, 2016, at 3:48 PM, Don H via Talk wrote: It is coming up on a year since Win 10 was released and still the new Edge browser isn't accessible. Makes you wonder if Microsoft is really making its products fully accessible in a reasonable amount of time. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/manbatsandefur%40outlook.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Windows 10 accessibility
They're coming out with a major update in July from what I've read. RJ On 5/11/2016 3:47 PM, Don H via Talk wrote: It is coming up on a year since Win 10 was released and still the new Edge browser isn't accessible. Makes you wonder if Microsoft is really making its products fully accessible in a reasonable amount of time. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/manbatsandefur%40outlook.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Windows 10 accessibility
You know what, I'm sorry, that everything is not coming to speed as much as you may like. I work in the disabilities office, in which the school never wants to do things timely. I deal with everything from broken software, to websites, even electronic textbooks. Microsoft has said that they are working on edge improvements, as well as improvements to narrator. If you don't believe me, Google and find out. Instead of complaining on this list about the lack of accessibility, complaint to Microsoft. AI squared, is not responsible for dealing with your complaints to Microsoft. Sent from my iPhone > On May 11, 2016, at 3:48 PM, Don H via Talk > wrote: > > It is coming up on a year since Win 10 was released and still the new Edge > browser isn't accessible. Makes you wonder if Microsoft is really making its > products fully accessible in a reasonable amount of time. > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/dgbowles%40msn.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Windows 10 accessibility
It is coming up on a year since Win 10 was released and still the new Edge browser isn't accessible. Makes you wonder if Microsoft is really making its products fully accessible in a reasonable amount of time. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Windows 10 Accessibility via Window-Eyes
I'm sorry our questions are quote: dumb, and don't meet your ten million IQ, sir! Thanks for reminding us in the first sentence of your message how stupid we are. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Peter Duran via Talk" To: "Talk " Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 10:41 PM Subject: Windows 10 Accessibility via Window-Eyes Hello all, Lots of "dumb" questions on this list about Windows 10 accessibility with Window-Eyes. You would think, after a quarter century of excellent support, all of you would assume the obvious: Of course Window-Eyes will fully support Windows 10 when it is release to the general public. It's premature to expect Window-Eyes to be fully functional with Windows 10 and its programs when Microsoft hasn't settled on what they will be when the release finally occurs. Let the folks at AI Square do their jobs in peace; you won't be disappointed. Their will be lots of amazing things to come, for Microsoft has reconfigured its operations and now has a "vertical integration" strateigy;that is, Windows 10 will run on multiple platforms with the same user interface and commands. So, for instance, learn Windows 10 for a PC, then you will know how to use it on a tablet, laptop, cell phone, etc. Moreover, Microsoft has announced that it will run Android apps on Windows 10. And, it's expected that Microsoft will place Cartana (Siri's sister) on Windows 10 so you can control many functions via voice commands. Also, supposedly, Microsoft will release windows 10 free of charge to customers and place Office 2016 on windows 10 for free as well. Peter Duran ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/clgilland07%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Windows 10 Accessibility via Window-Eyes
Hello all, Lots of "dumb" questions on this list about Windows 10 accessibility with Window-Eyes. You would think, after a quarter century of excellent support, all of you would assume the obvious: Of course Window-Eyes will fully support Windows 10 when it is release to the general public. It's premature to expect Window-Eyes to be fully functional with Windows 10 and its programs when Microsoft hasn't settled on what they will be when the release finally occurs. Let the folks at AI Square do their jobs in peace; you won't be disappointed. Their will be lots of amazing things to come, for Microsoft has reconfigured its operations and now has a "vertical integration" strateigy;that is, Windows 10 will run on multiple platforms with the same user interface and commands. So, for instance, learn Windows 10 for a PC, then you will know how to use it on a tablet, laptop, cell phone, etc. Moreover, Microsoft has announced that it will run Android apps on Windows 10. And, it's expected that Microsoft will place Cartana (Siri's sister) on Windows 10 so you can control many functions via voice commands. Also, supposedly, Microsoft will release windows 10 free of charge to customers and place Office 2016 on windows 10 for free as well. Peter Duran ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
