Re: Windows 10 build 1803
Womewhere I saw a message that window eyes has a problem with the inside builts of windows 10. -Original Message- From: Rod Hutton via Talk Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 2:56 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Rod Hutton Subject: RE: Windows 10 build 1803 Hi Russ, If Windows had a problem with Window-Eyes, it would not proceed with the update and inform you of this situation, and suggest a solution, like uninstalling it. Rod Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 9:29 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Russ Kiehne Subject: Re: Windows 10 build 1803 To make sure I don't have problems when I update to 1803, I no longer have window eyes running at start up. -Original Message- From: Loy Green via Talk Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 7:15 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Loy Green Subject: Re: Windows 10 build 1803 Some of the insiders said will not, but they also said this when the Fall creator edition came out but I am still using Window Eyes. I guess we'll have to wait and see. - Original Message - From: Russ Kiehne via Talk To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Cc: Russ Kiehne Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 9:33 AM Subject: Re: Windows 10 build 1803 I was also wondering if Window Eyes will work with windows 10 1803? -Original Message- From: M F Mason via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 11:16 PM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Cc: M F Mason Subject: Windows 10 build 1803 Hello, I apologise if the query I am about to raise has already been discussed. I do not know what happened but somehow I lost my membership to the list. However, I am now subscribed again. This means I will have probably missed some message and hence the reason for my apology. I realise that sooner or later Window-Eyes will stop working on Windows 10. I am about to upgrade to what I believe is Windows 10 build 1803. I wonder if anyone on this list has done this and what their experiences have been regarding Window-Eyes? Many thanks, Mike. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Foptions.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com%2Fruss94577%2540gmail.com=02%7C01%7C%7Ce8933abf0c4c4d09c01b08d5ad0c1400%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636605189753334886=PfizOco7YC20bTsFdAMSHBi2RSEyjLxwqrDaCoi8XXQ%3D=0. For subscription options, visit https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Flistinfo.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com=02%7C01%7C%7Ce8933abf0c4c4d09c01b08d5ad0c1400%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636605189753334886=dkPMENpPYmwwfAnnnj64wZ%2BI%2Bi71tVtJC5kDumjAs6c%3D=0 List archives can be found at https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Fprivate.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com=02%7C01%7C%7Ce8933abf0c4c4d09c01b08d5ad0c1400%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636605189753334886=I52iMyXJXhW9MNm1Q%2FhaZyEbicsbs%2F2kyLjDpcQkqzk%3D=0 ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Foptions.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com%2Floyrg2845%2540gmail.com=02%7C01%7C%7Ce8933abf0c4c4d09c01b08d5ad0c1400%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636605189753334886=deQabxvglPqQmkThyF93M4Jlj7fPZQDHeaB9xGsUVZQ%3D=0. For subscription options, visit https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Flistinfo.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com=02%7C01%7C%7Ce8933abf0c4c4d09c01b08d5ad0c1400%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636605189753334886=dkPMENpPYmwwfAnnnj64wZ%2BI%2Bi71tVtJC5kDumjAs6c%3D=0 List archives can be found at https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Fprivate.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com=02%7C01%7C%7Ce8933abf0c4c4d09c01b08d5ad0c1400%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636605189753334886=I52iMyXJXhW9MNm1Q%2FhaZyEbicsbs%2F2kyLjDpcQkqzk%3D=0 ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Foptions.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com%2Fruss94577%2540gmail.com=02%7C01%7C%7Ce8933abf0c4c4d09c01b08d5ad0c1400%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0
RE: Windows 10 build 1803
Hi Russ, If Windows had a problem with Window-Eyes, it would not proceed with the update and inform you of this situation, and suggest a solution, like uninstalling it. Rod Sent from Outlook 2010 for Windows -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 9:29 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Russ Kiehne Subject: Re: Windows 10 build 1803 To make sure I don't have problems when I update to 1803, I no longer have window eyes running at start up. -Original Message- From: Loy Green via Talk Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 7:15 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Loy Green Subject: Re: Windows 10 build 1803 Some of the insiders said will not, but they also said this when the Fall creator edition came out but I am still using Window Eyes. I guess we'll have to wait and see. - Original Message - From: Russ Kiehne via Talk To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Cc: Russ Kiehne Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 9:33 AM Subject: Re: Windows 10 build 1803 I was also wondering if Window Eyes will work with windows 10 1803? -Original Message- From: M F Mason via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 11:16 PM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Cc: M F Mason Subject: Windows 10 build 1803 Hello, I apologise if the query I am about to raise has already been discussed. I do not know what happened but somehow I lost my membership to the list. However, I am now subscribed again. This means I will have probably missed some message and hence the reason for my apology. I realise that sooner or later Window-Eyes will stop working on Windows 10. I am about to upgrade to what I believe is Windows 10 build 1803. I wonder if anyone on this list has done this and what their experiences have been regarding Window-Eyes? Many thanks, Mike. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Foptions.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com%2Fruss94577%2540gmail.com=02%7C01%7C%7Ce8933abf0c4c4d09c01b08d5ad0c1400%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636605189753334886=PfizOco7YC20bTsFdAMSHBi2RSEyjLxwqrDaCoi8XXQ%3D=0. For subscription options, visit https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Flistinfo.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com=02%7C01%7C%7Ce8933abf0c4c4d09c01b08d5ad0c1400%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636605189753334886=dkPMENpPYmwwfAnnnj64wZ%2BI%2Bi71tVtJC5kDumjAs6c%3D=0 List archives can be found at https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Fprivate.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com=02%7C01%7C%7Ce8933abf0c4c4d09c01b08d5ad0c1400%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636605189753334886=I52iMyXJXhW9MNm1Q%2FhaZyEbicsbs%2F2kyLjDpcQkqzk%3D=0 ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Foptions.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com%2Floyrg2845%2540gmail.com=02%7C01%7C%7Ce8933abf0c4c4d09c01b08d5ad0c1400%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636605189753334886=deQabxvglPqQmkThyF93M4Jlj7fPZQDHeaB9xGsUVZQ%3D=0. For subscription options, visit https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Flistinfo.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com=02%7C01%7C%7Ce8933abf0c4c4d09c01b08d5ad0c1400%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636605189753334886=dkPMENpPYmwwfAnnnj64wZ%2BI%2Bi71tVtJC5kDumjAs6c%3D=0 List archives can be found at https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Fprivate.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com=02%7C01%7C%7Ce8933abf0c4c4d09c01b08d5ad0c1400%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636605189753334886=I52iMyXJXhW9MNm1Q%2FhaZyEbicsbs%2F2kyLjDpcQkqzk%3D=0 ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Foptions.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com%2Fruss94577%2540gmail.com=02%7C01%7C%7Ce8933abf0c4c4d09c01b08d5ad0c1400%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636605189753334886=PfizOco7YC20bTsFdAMSHBi2RSEyjLxwqrDaCoi8XXQ%3D=0. For subscription options, visit https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.window-eyes.com%2Flistinfo.cgi%2Ftalk-window-eyes.com=02%7C01%7C
Re: Windows 10 build 1803
To make sure I don't have problems when I update to 1803, I no longer have window eyes running at start up. -Original Message- From: Loy Green via Talk Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 7:15 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Loy Green Subject: Re: Windows 10 build 1803 Some of the insiders said will not, but they also said this when the Fall creator edition came out but I am still using Window Eyes. I guess we'll have to wait and see. - Original Message - From: Russ Kiehne via Talk To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Cc: Russ Kiehne Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 9:33 AM Subject: Re: Windows 10 build 1803 I was also wondering if Window Eyes will work with windows 10 1803? -Original Message- From: M F Mason via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 11:16 PM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Cc: M F Mason Subject: Windows 10 build 1803 Hello, I apologise if the query I am about to raise has already been discussed. I do not know what happened but somehow I lost my membership to the list. However, I am now subscribed again. This means I will have probably missed some message and hence the reason for my apology. I realise that sooner or later Window-Eyes will stop working on Windows 10. I am about to upgrade to what I believe is Windows 10 build 1803. I wonder if anyone on this list has done this and what their experiences have been regarding Window-Eyes? Many thanks, Mike. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/russ94577%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/loyrg2845%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/russ94577%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Windows 10 build 1803
Absolutely right. I went to it specifically to get msn messenger 7.0 support whereas JAWS would not work with msn messenger 7.0 until version 7 of JAWS. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 10:00 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. Subject: RE: Windows 10 build 1803 Window-Eyes is a screen reader much too far ahead of its time! I'm still sulking and running mad 'cause it's NO LONGER being developed. When it was alive, we always had new implementations of accessibility before the shark did and, quite a number of problems did get fixed before bells and whistles kicked in. For Window-Eyes to still work with Windows10 to this point, its developers deserve more credit than I can truly give them! Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40shaw.ca . For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Windows 10 build 1803
Window-Eyes is a screen reader much too far ahead of its time! I'm still sulking and running mad 'cause it's NO LONGER being developed. When it was alive, we always had new implementations of accessibility before the shark did and, quite a number of problems did get fixed before bells and whistles kicked in. For Window-Eyes to still work with Windows10 to this point, its developers deserve more credit than I can truly give them! Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Windows 10 build 1803
Some of the insiders said will not, but they also said this when the Fall creator edition came out but I am still using Window Eyes. I guess we'll have to wait and see. - Original Message - From: Russ Kiehne via Talk To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Cc: Russ Kiehne Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 9:33 AM Subject: Re: Windows 10 build 1803 I was also wondering if Window Eyes will work with windows 10 1803? -Original Message- From: M F Mason via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 11:16 PM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Cc: M F Mason Subject: Windows 10 build 1803 Hello, I apologise if the query I am about to raise has already been discussed. I do not know what happened but somehow I lost my membership to the list. However, I am now subscribed again. This means I will have probably missed some message and hence the reason for my apology. I realise that sooner or later Window-Eyes will stop working on Windows 10. I am about to upgrade to what I believe is Windows 10 build 1803. I wonder if anyone on this list has done this and what their experiences have been regarding Window-Eyes? Many thanks, Mike. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/russ94577%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/loyrg2845%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Windows 10 build 1803
I was also wondering if Window Eyes will work with windows 10 1803? -Original Message- From: M F Mason via Talk Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 11:16 PM To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com Cc: M F Mason Subject: Windows 10 build 1803 Hello, I apologise if the query I am about to raise has already been discussed. I do not know what happened but somehow I lost my membership to the list. However, I am now subscribed again. This means I will have probably missed some message and hence the reason for my apology. I realise that sooner or later Window-Eyes will stop working on Windows 10. I am about to upgrade to what I believe is Windows 10 build 1803. I wonder if anyone on this list has done this and what their experiences have been regarding Window-Eyes? Many thanks, Mike. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/russ94577%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Windows 10 build 1803
Windows 10 1803 is not out yet, it was delayed. - Original Message - From: M F Mason via Talk To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; talk@lists.window-eyes.com Cc: M F Mason Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 7:23 AM Subject: Re: Windows 10 build 1803 Hello, In my previous message, I referred to Windows 10 build 1803. I should have said: Windows 10 version 1803. My apologies, Mike. At 07:16 27/04/2018, M F Mason via Talk wrote: >Hello, > >I apologise if the query I am about to raise has already been discussed. >I do not know what happened but somehow I lost my membership to the list. >However, I am now subscribed again. >This means I will have probably missed some message and hence the >reason for my apology. > >I realise that sooner or later Window-Eyes will stop working on Windows 10. >I am about to upgrade to what I believe is Windows 10 build 1803. >I wonder if anyone on this list has done this and what their >experiences have been regarding Window-Eyes? > >Many thanks, > >Mike. > >___ >Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of >the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > >For membership options, visit >http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/mfmason%40blinding-flash.net. >For subscription options, visit >http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >List archives can be found at >http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/loyrg2845%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Windows 10 build 1803
Hello, In my previous message, I referred to Windows 10 build 1803. I should have said: Windows 10 version 1803. My apologies, Mike. At 07:16 27/04/2018, M F Mason via Talk wrote: Hello, I apologise if the query I am about to raise has already been discussed. I do not know what happened but somehow I lost my membership to the list. However, I am now subscribed again. This means I will have probably missed some message and hence the reason for my apology. I realise that sooner or later Window-Eyes will stop working on Windows 10. I am about to upgrade to what I believe is Windows 10 build 1803. I wonder if anyone on this list has done this and what their experiences have been regarding Window-Eyes? Many thanks, Mike. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/mfmason%40blinding-flash.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Windows 10 build 1803
Hello, I apologise if the query I am about to raise has already been discussed. I do not know what happened but somehow I lost my membership to the list. However, I am now subscribed again. This means I will have probably missed some message and hence the reason for my apology. I realise that sooner or later Window-Eyes will stop working on Windows 10. I am about to upgrade to what I believe is Windows 10 build 1803. I wonder if anyone on this list has done this and what their experiences have been regarding Window-Eyes? Many thanks, Mike. ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com