Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Hack day 23rd Feb

[Gervase Markham]

SteveC wrote:
> The cycle maps guys and Nick and I think we should have a hack day  
> again. Bearing in mind it conflicts with Richards Worcester party,  
> we've set it for the 23rd of this month in London. Details to follow.

This clashes with FOSDEM :-(
http://www.fosdem.org/

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Re: [OSM-talk] Adding maps to wikipedia articles

[Gervase Markham]

David Ebling wrote:
> Isn't there a way of making the actual map tiles from
> the tile server show up on wikipedia? Whether it's a
> type of slippy map or just a tile or four, is this
> feasible? Would it put too much load on the tile
> server?

Well this would mean the maps could only begin or end on tile boundaries 
and, considering the incredible amount of traffic Wikipedia serves, yes, 
I strongly suspect it would flatten the tile server.

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[OSM-talk] Arabic shaping

[Artem Pavlenko]

Hi,

I'm implementing proper unicode support in Mapnik based in ICU  
library (no more iconv and fribidi) . I'm getting good results (so  I  
think) :
http://artem.dev.openstreetmap.org/files/morocco.jpg

Could someone, verify, and tell me it looks cool.

Cheers
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[OSM-talk] Japanese and Chinese unicode fonts

[Artem Pavlenko]

While experimenting with Japanese fonts, I was using Osaka.dfont (OS  
X) :

http://artem.dev.openstreetmap.org/files/osaka.jpg

Japanese characters appears correct, but some others are missing,  
which font should we be using for Japanese (and Chinese) characters?

Cheers
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Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] OpenStreetMap tile browser (2010, 1276 at zoom 12)

[OJ W]

Added the cycle layer:

http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/Browse/?x=2010&y=1276&z=12&layer=cycle

Change is in SVN if the tah.openstreetmap.org people want to download it

http://trac.openstreetmap.org/changeset/6870


though I seem to have used spaetz's SVN session to upload that...



On Feb 13, 2008 7:57 PM, OJ W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> you might also be interested in
>
>
> http://tah.openstreetmap.org/MapOf/?lat=55.992473&long=-3.345570&z=12&w=1280&h=1024&format=jpeg
>
> from http://tah.openstreetmap.org/MapOf/paste.php
>
>
> 2008/2/13 Shaun McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > This looks like a great way to print maps easily. Would it be possible
> > to get Andy Allan's cycle layer added?
> > http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/Browse/?x=2010&y=1276&z=12&layer=tile
> > Shaun
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Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] OpenStreetMap tile browser (2010, 1276 at zoom 12)

[OJ W]

you might also be interested in

http://tah.openstreetmap.org/MapOf/?lat=55.992473&long=-3.345570&z=12&w=1280&h=1024&format=jpeg

from http://tah.openstreetmap.org/MapOf/paste.php


2008/2/13 Shaun McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> This looks like a great way to print maps easily. Would it be possible to
> get Andy Allan's cycle layer added?
> http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/Browse/?x=2010&y=1276&z=12&layer=tile
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Re: [OSM-talk] FYI: Yahoo Fire Eagle

[OJ W]

> "Obviously what Fire Eagle also provides is lots of security so you can
> control who and what applications have access to your location data"

...so long as you don't want to control whether *yahoo* has access to it,
presumably? ;)

when I looked at this stuff for pyroute[1], one of the problems running a
server like that
is you don't necessarily want the server to be able to interpret the
information stored on it
(i.e. when you publish location to a specific group, you'd need to use that
group's public-
key before uploading it)



[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Pyroute_share_server



On Feb 13, 2008 4:01 PM, Robert (Jamie) Munro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> This seems like something we will be interested in:
> http://fireeagle.research.yahoo.com/
> Perhaps someone in the foundation can click the interested in
> partnerships link on that page.
>
> Quoting
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radiolabs/2008/02/indoor_camping_and_the_social.shtml
>
> "For me I'm really exited by Tom Coates and Rabble's latest Yahoo!
> project: Fire Eagle; which allows you to share you location with
> friends, other websites or services.
>
> "You can think of Fire Eagle as a location brokerage service. Via open
> APIs other people can write applications that update Fire Eagle with
> your location so that further applications that can then use it. So for
> example, someone might write an application that runs on your mobile
> that triangulates your position based on the location of the
> transmitters before sending the data to Fire Eagle. You could then run
> an application on your phone that let you know if your friends where
> near by, what restaurants are in your area or where the nearest train or
> tube station is.
>
> "Obviously what Fire Eagle also provides is lots of security so you can
> control who and what applications have access to your location data. I
> can't wait to see what people end up doing with Fire Eagle and I'm
> hoping that we can come up with some interesting applications too."
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Straw Poll - Disk space used by OSM photos/audio

[Karl Newman]

Yeah, I've been collecting traces, too, but not yet uploading them because I
don't really want the cluster of points around my house. I found a graphical
editor that can edit traces (GPSTrackMaker) but I haven't had time to edit
them for uploading yet.

Karl

On Feb 13, 2008 9:41 AM, Gregory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I guess the main reason is effort/time of going to another place through
> another system when I don't need to.
> Maybe (I possibly thought this when I started) so nobody knows where I
> live/start, but I could easily not worry about that.
>
> I keep all my traces on the computer and could send/upload them if
> someone(eg a company) was arguing that I copy data.
> If there was some project that I deemed interesting use of GPS tracks then
> I might upload a collection/selection of mine, but not all.
>
> On 13/02/2008, Andy Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > On 13/02/2008, Gregory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > 252MB for 9 mapping trips (1-2 hours I think)
> > > Maybe I should take the quality down so I don't have JOSM running out
> > of
> > > memory.
> > >
> > > You mentioned you don't need to knwo GPX traces because they'e on OSM.
> > But
> > > note there may be many people like me that don't upload their traces,
> > I just
> > > open them for use in JOSM and keep them local.
> > >
> > Any particular reason why you don't upload your traces? They are
> > valuable to the project as a verification source for map data.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Andy
> >
>
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Kosmos on Linux

[Daniel Schmidt]

Great job, Igor!

It even works on my Macintosh (Mac OS X 10.5.2) using mono.
Only issue I see right now is a constant fickering in the "open file"  
dialog (but only in the Kosmos root directory and "srtm").


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Am 12.02.2008 um 21:35 schrieb Igor Brejc:

> Hello everybody,
>
> I installed openSUSE on VMWare Player and did a quick test of  
> Kosmos.Gui
> on it. It actually runs without any additional code changes. It does
> sometimes break down on the "Open file" dialog however, but this looks
> like a bug in Mono.
> Kosmos.Gui runs quite slowly on my VM, especially on zoomed-in maps  
> when
> it has to draw street names.
> Anyway, test it if you want on your Linux machines and let me know  
> about
> your experience.
> Download link:
> http://downloads.igorbrejc.net/osm/kosmos/Kosmos-1.11.112.1-Mono.zip
>
> Cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Straw Poll - Disk space used by OSM photos/audio

[Gregory]

I guess the main reason is effort/time of going to another place through
another system when I don't need to.
Maybe (I possibly thought this when I started) so nobody knows where I
live/start, but I could easily not worry about that.

I keep all my traces on the computer and could send/upload them if
someone(eg a company) was arguing that I copy data.
If there was some project that I deemed interesting use of GPS tracks then I
might upload a collection/selection of mine, but not all.

On 13/02/2008, Andy Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 13/02/2008, Gregory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > 252MB for 9 mapping trips (1-2 hours I think)
> > Maybe I should take the quality down so I don't have JOSM running out of
> > memory.
> >
> > You mentioned you don't need to knwo GPX traces because they'e on OSM.
> But
> > note there may be many people like me that don't upload their traces, I
> just
> > open them for use in JOSM and keep them local.
> >
> Any particular reason why you don't upload your traces? They are
> valuable to the project as a verification source for map data.
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy
>



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Re: [OSM-talk] Kosmos on Linux

[Rodrigo Moya]

On Tue, 2008-02-12 at 21:35 +0100, Igor Brejc wrote:
> Hello everybody,
> 
> I installed openSUSE on VMWare Player and did a quick test of Kosmos.Gui 
> on it. It actually runs without any additional code changes. It does 
> sometimes break down on the "Open file" dialog however, but this looks 
> like a bug in Mono.
> Kosmos.Gui runs quite slowly on my VM, especially on zoomed-in maps when 
> it has to draw street names.
> Anyway, test it if you want on your Linux machines and let me know about 
> your experience.
> Download link: 
> http://downloads.igorbrejc.net/osm/kosmos/Kosmos-1.11.112.1-Mono.zip
> 
great, this one starts at least! I'll do some more testing later, after
real work
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Re: [OSM-talk] Kosmos v1.10

[Igor Brejc]

Gregory wrote:
> Anyone got good/interesting/usefull Kosmos(wiki-table) style sheets?
> It would be good to have a few shared.
>
I think the best way would be to put them in the OSM wiki, that's why 
they are in the form of a wiki table after all (unless they use 
copyrighted icons).
There is a special category for Kosmos rules: 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Category:Kosmos_rules
Also, Ulf has created a page about map icons 
(http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Map_Icons), if anybody has the 
time he can add rules to 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/KosmosStandardRules for POIs 
with these icons.

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[OSM-talk] FYI: Yahoo Fire Eagle

[Robert (Jamie) Munro]

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This seems like something we will be interested in:
http://fireeagle.research.yahoo.com/
Perhaps someone in the foundation can click the interested in
partnerships link on that page.

Quoting
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radiolabs/2008/02/indoor_camping_and_the_social.shtml

"For me I'm really exited by Tom Coates and Rabble's latest Yahoo!
project: Fire Eagle; which allows you to share you location with
friends, other websites or services.

"You can think of Fire Eagle as a location brokerage service. Via open
APIs other people can write applications that update Fire Eagle with
your location so that further applications that can then use it. So for
example, someone might write an application that runs on your mobile
that triangulates your position based on the location of the
transmitters before sending the data to Fire Eagle. You could then run
an application on your phone that let you know if your friends where
near by, what restaurants are in your area or where the nearest train or
tube station is.

"Obviously what Fire Eagle also provides is lots of security so you can
control who and what applications have access to your location data. I
can't wait to see what people end up doing with Fire Eagle and I'm
hoping that we can come up with some interesting applications too."



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Re: [OSM-talk] Straw Poll - Disk space used by OSM photos/audio

[Andy Robinson]

On 13/02/2008, Gregory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 252MB for 9 mapping trips (1-2 hours I think)
> Maybe I should take the quality down so I don't have JOSM running out of
> memory.
>
> You mentioned you don't need to knwo GPX traces because they'e on OSM. But
> note there may be many people like me that don't upload their traces, I just
> open them for use in JOSM and keep them local.
>
Any particular reason why you don't upload your traces? They are
valuable to the project as a verification source for map data.

Cheers

Andy

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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Hack day 23rd Feb

[SteveC]

Details now done:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/London_Hack_Day


On 12 Feb 2008, at 20:51, SteveC wrote:

> Hi
>
> The cycle maps guys and Nick and I think we should have a hack day
> again. Bearing in mind it conflicts with Richards Worcester party,
> we've set it for the 23rd of this month in London. Details to follow.
>
> It's going to be awesome.
>
> have fun,
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Large Rivers in general, mapnik rendering in Particular

[serge karamazov]

I agree with Thomas, we could tag rivers like we do for coastlines. If
the river is connected to a coastline it would be rendered by the
coastline rendering process. If it's not, it could be rendered the
same way lakes are.

If we need to draw a way across the river to close it, it's fine by
me: that's the end of this extent of the river for OSM even if it
doesn't match any real life physical object.


Renaud.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Straw Poll - Disk space used by OSM photos/audio

[Gregory]

252MB for 9 mapping trips (1-2 hours I think)
Maybe I should take the quality down so I don't have JOSM running out of
memory.

You mentioned you don't need to knwo GPX traces because they'e on OSM. But
note there may be many people like me that don't upload their traces, I just
open them for use in JOSM and keep them local.

I would love to geotag & upload all my photos to flickr, but now there's a
limit.
(would be even better now that I know how to use the flickr API to get
photos onto a webpage)


On 12/02/2008, Mike Collinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> At 05:57 PM 12/02/2008, John McKerrell wrote:
>
> >On 11 Feb 2008, at 08:13, Michael Collinson wrote:
> >
> >> At 11:29 PM 2/10/2008, Andy Robinson wrote:
> >>> On 10/02/2008, Thomas Walraet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Andy Robinson wrote:
> >
> > I started taking photos in March 2006. Since then I've taken 14,000
> > photos taking up 10GB of space.
> 
> >> I bought a 5 megapixel camera with x3(?) optical zoom so that I could
> >> snap street signs across wide-ish streets.  After some tests, I also
> >> settled on 2 megapixels as the ideal size before pixelation sets in.
> >> It results in an average of 0.5 MB per picture.
> >>
> >
> >But what's your total? I think I've had about 10 replies so far so I
> >think we'll just need around 20G somewhere to be able to host an OSM
> >flickr at this rate.
> >
> >John
>
> Home now.  For 2007: 9.7GB / 15,000 photos.  BUT I take massive amounts of
> POI pictures along with street-signs so you'll probably want to discount
> this figure!
>
> Mike
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Re: [OSM-talk] Kosmos v1.10

[Gregory]

Anyone got good/interesting/usefull Kosmos(wiki-table) style sheets?
It would be good to have a few shared.

On 12/02/2008, Igor Brejc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Today I managed to make Kosmos.Gui run in mono on my Win machine. I had to
> use conditional (non-)compilation for certain small parts of code, but
> otherwise it behaved quite good. The next step for me is to try it on a
> Linux virtual machine and fix any linux-related issues. So far it looks
> promising.
>
> Regards,
> Igor
>
> On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Johan Huysmans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > I'm looking forward to start using Kosmos on my linux machine.
> > I have the same problem that i don't have any windows machine in my
> > neighborhood, and I would like to use the interactive rendering feature.
> >
> > So thanks for putting the effort to port it to mono.
> >
> > Greetings Johan
> >
> >
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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Book of Funny Names

[Dermot McNally]

On 12/02/2008, SteveC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> All
>
> There are a couple of books of rude street sign collections:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/dmacker42/943996646/in/set-72157601085868233/

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.0672&lon=12.863&zoom=13&layers=0BFT

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fucking,_Austria

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Re: [OSM-talk] Large Rivers in general, mapnik rendering in Particular

[David Groom]

> - Original Message - 
> From: Igor Brejc
> To: David Groom
> Cc: David Earl ; Artem Pavlenko ; talk Openstreetmap
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 4:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Large Rivers in general, mapnik rendering in 
> Particular
>
>
> David Groom wrote:
> I'll edit the wiki.
>
> Could you put some visual examples, please?
>
>
> Artem, what i had in mind is now shown on
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Relations/Proposed/Rivers
>
> David G
>
>
> I'm a bit late in entering this discussion, but at the first glance I see 
> at least one problem with this proposal: representing tributaries 
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strahler_Stream_Order), which must be 
> treated separately, since their usually have their own names. Either you 
> would have to define an OSM way splitting the main river and the tributary 
> (which in a sense defeats the idea of this proposal) or you would let the 
> renderer assume that it can draw such a segment by itself (which can 
> sometimes be problematic, I suppose).
> I'm not against letting renderers do their jobs, but I think we should not 
> presume that all devices will have CPUs powerful enough to provide 
> interactive maps by processing complex geometry algorithms. Drawing 
> something like this, for example: 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Mouths_of_amazon_geocover_1990.png :)
>

Thats a good point.  I'm reasonably happy with the proposal for defining 
large rivers as closed areas, as outlined in the proposal 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Large_rivers  . 
The proposal at 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Relations/Proposed/Rivers  was an 
attempt to satisfy some peoples concerns about a"segment" being drawn across 
the river to close the area, but I think in practice it probably causes more 
problems than it solves.

David

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[OSM-talk] Adding maps to wikipedia articles

[David Ebling]

>Andy Robinson (blackadder) wrote:
>> Would there be a way to trigger automatic
>regeneration of
>> maps? Perhaps on a monthly basis or something.
>
>Wasn't the hyperlink invented to solve this sort of
>problem? :-)
> Instead of putting up map graphics, why not just
> have a "map" link? Less pretty?
>
> Gerv

Isn't there a way of making the actual map tiles from
the tile server show up on wikipedia? Whether it's a
type of slippy map or just a tile or four, is this
feasible? Would it put too much load on the tile
server?

Dave


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