[OSM-talk] amenity=hospital does not render when it is an area ...

[Francois De Ryckel]

Did anyone notice that the tag amenity=hospital only works as a node but
is not recognized when it is defined as an area?

Any way to render it as an area?

Thanks


François de Ryckel


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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM in Europe Statistics

[Iván Sánchez Ortega]

El Miércoles, 30 de Abril de 2008, Frederik Ramm escribió:
>a very crude statistic:
>
> Country   osm.bz2 sizepopulationratio (bytes per capita)
> Netherlands   51M16M3.2
> Spain 17M40M0.4
[...]
> It is probably not unreasonable that once the road network is complete
> in a European country, we'll look at a ratio not unlike the NL figure.
> This would suggest that both the UK and Germany are about 1/3 there.

We made some numbers in talk-es two weeks ago. It seems that OSM covers around 
17% of the spanish road network, measured in lenght: 63000km/37km.

Extrapolating, that means that we would be aiming at 2.5 bytes per capita.

Maybe you should remake these numbers, but calculating bytes per kilometer 
square.

> Of course this is very simplistic and I believe you will come up with
> much better measures of progress. Let's hear your numbers ;-)

I got permission to use a censal list of street names - we should be able to 
tell out the percentage of street names that are right/wrong/missing - it 
would make a nice statistic. As soon as somebody hacks a script to do so.

Cheers,
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[OSM-talk] OSM in Europe Statistics

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

   a very crude statistic:

Country   osm.bz2 sizepopulationratio (bytes per capita)

UK73M60M1.2
Germany  110M82M1.3
Netherlands   51M16M3.2
France29M60M0.5
Finland   20M 5M4.0
Italy 14M58M0.2
Norway21M 5M4.2
Sweden24M 9M2.6
Spain 17M40M0.4

I suspect that disregarding the coastline (which is included in my
figures) would probably cost the Scandinavian countries a few ranks in
this league. Coastline factor doesn't affect larger countries that much
(but still strange that Italy should have so little - must investigate
quality of border polygon).

It is probably not unreasonable that once the road network is complete
in a European country, we'll look at a ratio not unlike the NL figure.
This would suggest that both the UK and Germany are about 1/3 there.

Of course this is very simplistic and I believe you will come up with
much better measures of progress. Let's hear your numbers ;-)

(Among other things, NL is known as a very densely populated place - UK
has 9 times the area of NL but only 3 times the population -, so those 
map features that tend to fill the available land even if sparsely
populated will mean that the "destination bytes per capita" ratio for
places like UK or DE will be higher than 3.)

Bye
Frederik

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[OSM-talk] Global Mapper now supports OSM XML

[Patrick Weber]

Hi

Just wanted to draw your attention to the fact the Global Mapper, a 
widely used software in the GIS world, now directly supports OSM XML 
file imports. Good news that OSM gets recognition in commercial 
software. Press release pasted below.




 April 28, 2008 - Global Mapper v9.03 Released Top
 

Global Mapper Software LLC is pleased to announce the availability of 
Global Mapper v9.03 for download 
. Just 
download that file and run it to install v9.03.


Numerous significant enhancements and bug fixes have been made to Global 
Mapper since the v9.02 release. The most significant changes are 
described below:


   * Added support for loading Tiger 2007 Shapefiles with full
 attribution and automatic styling and type assignment.
   * Added support for loading OpenStreetMap (OSM) and Vulcan3D files.
   * Added support for exporting to Delft3D (.ldb), TomTom OV2, and
 Vulcan3D format files.

Many other enhancements and bug fixes were made as well. See the Release 
Notes  page for a 
complete list of changes.


This is a free upgrade for existing registered v9.xx users. Pricing for 
Global Mapper v9.03 licenses is $299 US for a new single license, $269 
US per license for 2-19 licenses, and $229 US per license for 20 or more 
licenses. Users with licenses for Global Mapper v8.xx can purchase an 
upgrade to v9.xx for only $99 US per license. Site license pricing is 
also available on request. As always, upgrades and new licenses can be 
purchased from the Purchase page 
 at 
http://www.globalmapper.com.



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Re: [OSM-talk] Geoserver support Open street map

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

>> I'd be interested to know what you folks out there use osm for:  
>> mapping
>> (WMS) of raw data (WFS).

The folks at www.openrouteservice.org are using geoserver as a WMS  
server and IIRC they plan to expose that interface as well (currently  
it is somewhat meshed up with their routing engine). It seems to me  
that their geolocation is only a few kilometres away from the  
original poster (Ugo) so why not meet them for lunch.

There's also working UMN Mapserver installations with OSM data,  
mostly running off ready-made shapefiles (get them from  
download.geofabrik.de) - I assume that like Mapserver, Geoserver can  
either run directly off a small shape, or else you pop the shape into  
a PostGIS and work from there.

I don't think there are many people who access OSM raw data through  
WFS although it would of course be theoretically possible. Any  
conversion OSM-to-WFS would have to be heavily parametrised (which  
OSM elements to export an which OSM tags to use for classification  
etc) and thus difficult to do in a generic way, but I'd love to see  
somebody do it properly ;-)

I can't post this to the geoserver list (not subscribed there) so  
maybe someone can forward.

Bye
Frederik

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[OSM-talk] Fw: [Geoserver-users] Geoserver support Open street map

[Rahkonen Jukka]

Hi,

I forward a message that was sent to Geoserver mailing list. Is somebody here 
using OSM data for making WMS/WFS services with Geoserver or Mapserver?

-Jukka Rahkonen-


Ugo Taddei wrote:

Re: [Geoserver-users] Geoserver support Open street map
 
> Hi,

> looks like loads of people have interest in having osm data in their
> geoserver applications... perhaps the osm project could also profit if
> they had support for a WMS.

> Justin Deoliveira wrote:
>> I believe that at one point there was interest in someone writing a 
>> geotools driver (datastore) for .osm files directly... but the endeavour 
>> faded out. Not sure why... if the reasons were technical, or just lack 
>> of time/money.

> So, could you give us an estimate of how much effort that would be?

>> 
>> Anyways, this would be a nice thing to have, and we could certainly 
>> direct anyone interested in taking on the task.

> but that would still mean, people having to update their osm snapshots
> regularly (or else run the risk of having outdated data), right?

> I'd be interested to know what you folks out there use osm for: mapping
> (WMS) of raw data (WFS).

> To the last question: does anyone have some code/technique to make the
> osm maps be accessible through WMS?

> Cheers,

> Ugo

> Ugo Taddei

> Fraunhofer Institut Intelligente Analyse- und Informationssysteme (FhG IAIS)
> http://www.iais.fraunhofer.de
> Department Knowledge Discovery - IAIS.KD -
> Working Group Spatial Decision Support
> http://www.iais.fraunhofer.de/kd.html
> phone  (+49)2241-14-2184fax(+49)2241-14-2072
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Re: [OSM-talk] Relaunch openstreetmap.de

[Inge Wallin]

On Tuesday 29 April 2008 08:31:24 Sebastian Spaeth wrote:
> Richard Fairhurst wrote:
> > I really like
> > http://www.openstreetmap.de/123/
>
> you like it just because step 4 out of the 123 is "start potlatch".

I think there is a step missing here.  Now it's "1", "2", "3", "4", and "...".

What is severely missing is "Profit!".

(sorry)

-Inge

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Re: [OSM-talk] namespaces and copyright

[elvin ibbotson]

From: "Martijn van Oosterhout" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 28 April 2008 20:57:45 BDT



...  But one thing I learned from mapping my own area: the maps you
buy are *wrong* in so many places. Maybe easter eggs, maybe bugs. In
either case, don't make the assumption that just because you paid
money for it or that it looks like an official looking printed map
that it's actually accurate.



I couldn't agree more. The one exception is our own dear Ordnance  
Survey. Very occasionally one may find a small discrepancy between  
the OS map and what appears to be there, on the ground. This is  
simply a case of reality being wrong.



From: Chris Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 28 April 2008 21:37:28 BDT


... Climbing is a sport that kills people who don't take it  
seriously, but it can still be fun too.  Naming routes is fun for  
some people.


I know. I have friends who climb and I'm sure they can't all be  
masochists, but the odd scramble I have tried just scared me witless.  
A tip though - there's often an easier way up around the back.




It sounds like this climbing malarky is as anarchic as OSM. You  
should have committees to grade climbs and approve route names and  
climbing police to ensure no-one ever uses a copyrighted route  
name without proper attribution.

This is called the BMC.



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[OSM-talk] [tagging] opening_hours 24 >> to pharmacy or fuel

[sergio sevillano]

hi
i have added a tag proposal , if any one wants to discuss
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Opening_Hours

sergio




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Re: [OSM-talk] State of the map registration

[Andy Robinson]

2008/4/29 Nick Whitelegg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hello everyone,
>
>  Tried registering for SOTM yesterday and the form indicated I would get a
>  confirmation email. However I haven't had one - is there a problem with
>  the site?
>
>  Thanks,
>  Nick

Hi Nick,

No, all is well. I do the confirmations manually about once each day.
Yours will be with you shortly.

Cheers

Andy
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[OSM-talk] State of the map registration

[Nick Whitelegg]

Hello everyone,

Tried registering for SOTM yesterday and the form indicated I would get a 
confirmation email. However I haven't had one - is there a problem with 
the site?

Thanks,
Nick

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Re: [OSM-talk] Relaunch openstreetmap.de

[Martijn van Exel]

On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Jochen Topf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I have just put the new and improved German openstreetmap.de website
> online. Even if you don't read German, you might want to have a look and
> steal ideas and things for your own web sites. All the source is in the
> subversion repository.
>
> I have looked around for other national osm websites (I found eight of
> them) and put links on the site. Please tell me if yours is not there.
>
> Jochen
>

I really like the way you incorporated all important aspects of OSM on the
main page, and the 'maximize map' button. Also, the 'Schaufenster' page
gives a really good impression of the possibilities of OSM data.

Great work!

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Re: [OSM-talk] Relaunch openstreetmap.de

[Richard Fairhurst]

Sebastian Spaeth wrote:

> you like it just because step 4 out of the 123 is "start potlatch".
> admit it! ;-)

Damn, rumbled...

5. Send token of appreciation to Potlatch programmer

cheers
Richard


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Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: Bangladesh under the water]

[Martijn van Oosterhout]

On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 2:19 AM, Neil Penman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is there a history to the flooding of large land
>  masses at high zoom?
>  Timor and Indonesian archipelago also disappear under
>  water when you try
>  and get too close.  Was this always the case?  I've
>  added the coastline
>  for Timor in now so hopefully that will fix this
>  particular problem .
>  Is anyone looking at the rest of Indonesia?

For a long time we used PGS directly for coastlines at highzoom. This
meant we didn't have blue sea at highzoom, everything looked like
land. So I wrote the coastline checker so we had a good view of what
coastline was uploaded already and whether it was in good state. In
short order the US, Africa, Australia and most of Asia were uploaded
and fixed. Since we like to have our oceans blue we decided to switch.
There was plenty of warning and plenty of encouragement, but in the
end it was decided not to wait until every last island was uploaded.

So no, it's only been like this for a few months. On the plus side you
can fix it yourself.

Have a nice day,
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