Re: [OSM-talk] poster things

[Nick Black]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/copetersen/2661105419/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/routebuddy/2671110136/

They were very nice.  Who made them?

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 6:57 PM, SteveC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> anyone have any photos with those poster stand things that were at
> SOTM that looked like they were for conference booths?
>
> there was one to the right of the projector screen the whole time
>
> Best
>
> Steve
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Re: [OSM-talk] Fire break advice

[David Janda]

Hello Talk

I see where you are comming from Karl, and it's a good solution.

However, I do feel that a landuse tag would be better, as in my case here in 
Cyprus we have fire breaks that are NOT in a wood or forrest. We have a very
combustable grass about half a meter in height along the mountains that has 
fire breaks.

Also, as a previous post has mentioned, fire breaks are good navigation 
aids, and just having them as a track would not make them stand out. As in 
my case here the vast majority of fire breaks run along a track anyway.

Am busy making ravel arrangements to return to the UK, but next week I will 
make a proposal unless someone has a major objection.

David Janda
djanda

- Original Message - 
From: "Karl Eichwalder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "David Janda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Fire break advice


> "David Janda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> And, as a previous post has pointed out, they can be very wide. So, just
>> marking them as a path or whatever will not do I think.
>>
>> A landuse issue?
>
> I'd say the fire breaks are part of landuse=forest, but are not covered
> by natural=wood:
>
>+- fire break
>|
> //\===/=\\  <-
> |||   | ||   |
> |||   | ||   |
> ||   wood |   |   wood  ||  forest
> |||   | ||   |
> |||   | ||   |
> \\/===\=//  <-
>
> ^^
> |- landuse=forest ---|
>
> That's there is a large forest area holding two wood areas separated by
> a fire break.  The woods are "on top" of the forest and the fire break
> is just an empty space in the forest.  There is no need to tag is
> specially, just put a track (with tracktype=gradeX) in if there is any.
>
> -- 
> Karl Eichwalder
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Re: [OSM-talk] Fire break advice

[Karl Eichwalder]

"David Janda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> And, as a previous post has pointed out, they can be very wide. So, just 
> marking them as a path or whatever will not do I think.
>
> A landuse issue?

I'd say the fire breaks are part of landuse=forest, but are not covered
by natural=wood:

+- fire break
|
//\===/=\\  <-
|||   | ||   |
|||   | ||   |
||   wood |   |   wood  ||  forest
|||   | ||   |
|||   | ||   |
\\/===\=//  <-

^^
|- landuse=forest ---|

That's there is a large forest area holding two wood areas separated by
a fire break.  The woods are "on top" of the forest and the fire break
is just an empty space in the forest.  There is no need to tag is
specially, just put a track (with tracktype=gradeX) in if there is any.

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[OSM-talk] Rendering name of route relations

[Andrew MacKinnon]

Recently, it appears that Mapnik has started rendering the name of
relations on the map, as if they were street names. For example, it
renders the name of the "Cosburn" bus route along Haldon Avenue in
this map: .
This is clearly undesirable. Could someone please fix this?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Josm: bug in Simplify Way?

[Dermot McNally]

2008/7/16 Gabriel Ebner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Oops.  This is pretty embarrassing, but it seems I forgot to convert degrees
> to radians before calculating the cross track error...

As long as we're on the subject...

I tend to find that I can't simplify ways at all, unless I first split
them. Generally, I'll select the second node in the way, split on it
and _then_ the simplify way function will happily let me simplify the
remaining way. Is this expected? Are others seeing it?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Josm: bug in Simplify Way?

[Gabriel Ebner]

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:02:44PM +0200, Niccolo Rigacci wrote:
> > Could you please post the way that shows this problem?  (Is it by chance a
> > closed way?)
> 
> No, it is a simple open way. Here http://www.rigacci.org/osm/bug/
> you can find:
> 
> - a screenshot of the simplified way over the original GPX
> - the .osm file with just the way before simplifying
> 
> Thanks for your interest.

Oops.  This is pretty embarrassing, but it seems I forgot to convert degrees
to radians before calculating the cross track error...

"JOSM: State-of-the-art pseudo-random polyline excerpts"

Fixed in OSM r9100,
  Gabriel.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Fieldwork in Grenada

[Rob]

2008/7/15 Gervase Markham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Rob wrote:
>> Is the map [1] on the Grenada wiki [2] free of copyrights ? i think
>> not but maybe someone knows
>>
>> 1. http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/americas/grenada.gif
>
> That's from the UTexas map collection, which is OK to use unless
> labelled clearly otherwise (according to their copyright statement):
> http://www.lib.utexas.edu/usage_statement.html?maps=yes
>
> So that'll be a start for place names.

all the places and islands are labeled

question about grenada: should i / we draw a mega polygon for all the
forest/wood ? it's one big forest i think

Rob

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Re: [OSM-talk] suggestion for SOTM09

[D Tucny]

2008/7/16 Martijn van Oosterhout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Richard Fairhurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > Being a bit of a tree-hugger at heart, I'd prefer somewhere in
> > mainland Europe easily accessible by train.
>
> I'd vote for somewhere in south germany, say, in the area of Weissenburg.
>
> But that's just me looking for an excuse to go there, the scenery is
> beautiful And because I think the SOTM needs to be a lot further
> east than it has been so far.
>
>
How about Hong Kong? Somewhat further east and I'm sure you could get there
almost entirely by train if you really really wanted... Does it really have
to be Europe?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Josm: bug in Simplify Way?

[Niccolo Rigacci]

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 08:16:34PM +0200, Gabriel Ebner wrote:
> > Do you think that I should contact the developers?
> 
> You've already done that as I'm the one to be blamed for that code.

That's fantastic! :-)

> Could you please post the way that shows this problem?  (Is it by chance a
> closed way?)

No, it is a simple open way. Here http://www.rigacci.org/osm/bug/
you can find:

- a screenshot of the simplified way over the original GPX
- the .osm file with just the way before simplifying

Thanks for your interest.

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Firenze - Italy

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Re: [OSM-talk] Metro Manila Philippines needs some OSM love

[Dave Stubbs]

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:03 AM, John McKerrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 15 Jul 2008, at 02:15, maning sambale wrote:
>
>
>>> The Cloudmade nonames tiles are available world wide now. (You need
>>> to
>>> specifically select the correct layer, if the correct layer param
>>> isn't
>>> in the url).
>>
>> This is cool! Might be better to integrate with openstreetbugs so
>> non-members can add/correct names.
>
> Indeed, the page could definitely do with an edit link so that I can
> go straight through to potlatch though.
>

The page now has an edit link so that you can go straight through to
potlatch. ;-)

I've defaulted to the CloudMade layer now too... there's not much
point in keeping just the London ones up now that the CloudMade ones
have been around for a while, and cover the entire planet.

Dave

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Re: [OSM-talk] Adding a KOSMOS rule

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

> how do I add a new KOSMOS rule to the page
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Category:Kosmos_rules?

You don't. Instead, create a brand new page that contains your rule, and 
then add [[Category:Kosmos rules]] at the bottom of the page. Your page 
will then be listed in the category overview.

> Second question (maybe a wiki one) and it will be my first own page: How 
> do I add a page with my rules? Just how to add the page is ok, I have 
> the text :-)

Just type the URL you would like to use for your rule. If it's something 
that is useful for many, put it in the normal article space like so:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Kosmos rules for skateboarding

if it's something very special then maybe put it as a subpage of your 
user page:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/User:gary68/Kosmos rules for 
lampposts

If you open a page that is not there, you'll get an edit link to create it.

Bye
Frederik

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[OSM-talk] Adding a KOSMOS rule

[Gerhard Schwanz]

Hi,

how do I add a new KOSMOS rule to the page

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Category:Kosmos_rules?

I do have a wiki account!

But when I choose edit only two lines appear to be edited. I think I have to be 
a member of a group? How do I become one?

Second question (maybe a wiki one) and it will be my first own page: How do I 
add a page with my rules? Just how to add the page is ok, I have the text :-)

Tnx

Gary68
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Re: [OSM-talk] Dear Fake SteveC

[Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio]

I always felt sympathy for him. he didn't find a better thing to get 
obsessed with?
 
Lucas



De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] en nombre de Nic Roets
Enviado el: mié 16/07/2008 19:58
Para: Frederik Ramm; Talk Openstreetmap
Asunto: Re: [OSM-talk] Dear Fake SteveC



I must admit I'm also a "ROTFWL at fake SteveC"tard.

You can always start a you own blog and call it "Fake Steve C(hilton /
lark / alcott)"

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 12:07 AM, Frederik Ramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear Fake SteveC,
>
>   liked your work a lot. Not surprised that you're throwing in the
> towel, happened to every blog I started until now as well. But if you
> really must go, then do post your blog password on the Wiki for someone
> else to take up the mantle.
>
> Come on, you're an *institution*!
>
> Bye
> Frederik
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Re: [OSM-talk] Josm: bug in Simplify Way?

[Gabriel Ebner]

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 09:29:35AM +0200, Niccolo Rigacci wrote:
> > By default it uses a tolerance of 50 meters, so if you want less points to 
> > be
> > removed, you might want to set this to, say, 10 meters.
> 
> This is why I suppose a bug in the tool: the resulting way is far 
> from the original one by more than 200 m.
> 
> Do you think that I should contact the developers?

You've already done that as I'm the one to be blamed for that code.

Could you please post the way that shows this problem?  (Is it by chance a
closed way?)

  Gabriel.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Dear Fake SteveC

[Iván Sánchez Ortega]

El Miércoles, 16 de Julio de 2008, Nic Roets escribió:
> I must admit I'm also a "ROTFWL at fake SteveC"tard.


Plus, who are I'm going to get my quotes from now??


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Re: [OSM-talk] Dear Fake SteveC

[Nic Roets]

I must admit I'm also a "ROTFWL at fake SteveC"tard.

You can always start a you own blog and call it "Fake Steve C(hilton /
lark / alcott)"

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 12:07 AM, Frederik Ramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear Fake SteveC,
>
>   liked your work a lot. Not surprised that you're throwing in the
> towel, happened to every blog I started until now as well. But if you
> really must go, then do post your blog password on the Wiki for someone
> else to take up the mantle.
>
> Come on, you're an *institution*!
>
> Bye
> Frederik
>
> --
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[OSM-talk] poster things

[SteveC]

anyone have any photos with those poster stand things that were at  
SOTM that looked like they were for conference booths?

there was one to the right of the projector screen the whole time

Best

Steve


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Re: [OSM-talk] Fire break advice

[David Janda]

Yes they are.

And, as a previous post has pointed out, they can be very wide. So, just 
marking them as a path or whatever will not do I think.

A landuse issue?

David Janda
djanda

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From: "Alex Mauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Fire break advice


Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote:
> El Miércoles, 16 de Julio de 2008, David Janda escribió:
>> I cannot find any suitable tabs, and here in Northern Cyprus the fire
>> breaks are strips of land with all growth removed.
>
> I'd just tag a highway=footway, and break up any landuse=forest areas.

Are they definitely usable as footways?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Fire break advice

[Iván Sánchez Ortega]

El Miércoles, 16 de Julio de 2008, Alex Mauer escribió:
> Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote:
> > El Miércoles, 16 de Julio de 2008, David Janda escribió:
> >> I cannot find any suitable tabs, and here in Northern Cyprus the fire
> >> breaks are strips of land with all growth removed.
> >
> > I'd just tag a highway=footway, and break up any landuse=forest areas.
>
> Are they definitely usable as footways?

At least in Spain, they are. We have these 6-to-10-meter wide firebreaks all 
over the place, built in such a way so fire response teams can actually use 
them to drop a fire team.

Funny thing: In some areas, shepherds get paid by the goverment if they drive 
the sheep herds through the fire breaks to ensure there are is no low 
vegetation in them.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Fire break advice

[Alex Mauer]

Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote:
> El Miércoles, 16 de Julio de 2008, David Janda escribió:
>> I cannot find any suitable tabs, and here in Northern Cyprus the fire
>> breaks are strips of land with all growth removed.
> 
> I'd just tag a highway=footway, and break up any landuse=forest areas.

Are they definitely usable as footways?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Fieldwork in Grenada

[Gervase Markham]

Gervase Markham wrote:
> At State of the Map, an initiative was started to improve our coverage
> of the Caribbean, as a little friendly competition with Google MapMaker.

There is now a wiki page about this effort here:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/OSMFieldwork
Please fill it in with useful information. Some of the islands concerned 
don't even have coastline yet.

Grenada is doing amazingly well - it's gone from this:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=12.149&lon=-61.677&zoom=12&layers=B00FTF
to this:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=12.1141&lon=-61.6849&zoom=12&layers=0B0FTF
(Note: this comparison won't work after Mapnik re-renders :-)

44 people have signed up; 16 more are needed for us to have enough money 
to send someone to finish it off! Sign up if you haven't already :-)
http://www.pledgebank.com/osmfieldwork

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Re: [OSM-talk] Fire break advice

[simon]

Ditto from me

I have location data for several 'cut lines' in Alberta, these are either
firebreaks or survey lines which are quite useful for navigation.

Nominally straight, but not always. Width can vary from a few metres upto
ten's of meters.

Cheers,
Mungewell.

> Hello talk
>
> Could someone give me some advice with regard to mapping and tagging fire
> breaks?
>
> I cannot find any suitable tabs, and here in Northern Cyprus the fire
> breaks
> are strips of land with all growth removed.
>
> How would you map it?
>
> David Janda
> djanda
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Re: [OSM-talk] Fire break advice

[Iván Sánchez Ortega]

El Miércoles, 16 de Julio de 2008, David Janda escribió:
> I cannot find any suitable tabs, and here in Northern Cyprus the fire
> breaks are strips of land with all growth removed.

I'd just tag a highway=footway, and break up any landuse=forest areas.

You might want to propose a new landuse value for fire breaks.


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[OSM-talk] Fire break advice

[David Janda]

Hello talk

Could someone give me some advice with regard to mapping and tagging fire 
breaks?

I cannot find any suitable tabs, and here in Northern Cyprus the fire breaks 
are strips of land with all growth removed.

How would you map it?

David Janda
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[OSM-talk] Added "Kieser Training" Waypoints to OSM

[Sven Anders]

The company  Kieser Training gave us the permission to add 
all locations (150) from a GPX file to OSM.

This is done now.

You can search it on  www.openstreetmap.org 

if you enter:
"kieser near Hannover " you got a list of kieser locations near Hannover.

A example entry looks like this.


 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Please change anything which is wrong, but NOT the operator (I use this for 
searching the entries). 

Best Regards
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Re: [OSM-talk] Metro Manila Philippines needs some OSM love

[Shaun McDonald]

John McKerrell wrote:
> [..]
> I realised the fact that I missed the edit link so much is because my  
> own map page that I normally use has one, so I've now added the "no  
> names" layer to it:
>
> http://johnmckerrell.com/map/
>
> Select "Mapnik" then click on the little arrow and select  
> "Highlighted". Edit link is in the top right, a location search is in  
> a drop down box at the top of the page. The page will store your  
> location in cookies, as well as in the hash, I find it useful to just  
> have this as a bookmark under "Map" :-)
>
> I should probably point out that the aerial imagery is from Microsoft,  
> not Yahoo!, so shouldn't be used to derive stuff for OSM.
>   
Might be worth adding a warning on your map page.
> John
>
> P.S. I've assumed it's ok for me to link to the tiles like this, if  
> anyone from Cloudmade can confirm this or tell me whether I need to  
> setup my own API key or whatever that would be useful.
>
>   
You need to credit both CloudMade and OpenStreetMap when using the 
CloudMade tiles. A good example is at:
http://maps.cloudmade.com/

You should also setup your own API Key. Each web site should have their 
own API key. By going to http://cloudmade.com/signup and generating a 
key for your site on your user page:
http://cloudmade.com/user/show

If you have any more questions please contact me off list.

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Re: [OSM-talk] suggestion for SOTM09

[Martijn van Oosterhout]

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Richard Fairhurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Being a bit of a tree-hugger at heart, I'd prefer somewhere in
> mainland Europe easily accessible by train.

I'd vote for somewhere in south germany, say, in the area of Weissenburg.

But that's just me looking for an excuse to go there, the scenery is
beautiful And because I think the SOTM needs to be a lot further
east than it has been so far.

Have a nice day,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Metro Manila Philippines needs some OSM love

[John McKerrell]

On 16 Jul 2008, at 10:03, John McKerrell wrote:

> On 15 Jul 2008, at 02:15, maning sambale wrote:
>
>
>>> The Cloudmade nonames tiles are available world wide now. (You need
>>> to
>>> specifically select the correct layer, if the correct layer param
>>> isn't
>>> in the url).
>>
>> This is cool! Might be better to integrate with openstreetbugs so
>> non-members can add/correct names.
>
> Indeed, the page could definitely do with an edit link so that I can
> go straight through to potlatch though.

I realised the fact that I missed the edit link so much is because my  
own map page that I normally use has one, so I've now added the "no  
names" layer to it:

http://johnmckerrell.com/map/

Select "Mapnik" then click on the little arrow and select  
"Highlighted". Edit link is in the top right, a location search is in  
a drop down box at the top of the page. The page will store your  
location in cookies, as well as in the hash, I find it useful to just  
have this as a bookmark under "Map" :-)

I should probably point out that the aerial imagery is from Microsoft,  
not Yahoo!, so shouldn't be used to derive stuff for OSM.

John

P.S. I've assumed it's ok for me to link to the tiles like this, if  
anyone from Cloudmade can confirm this or tell me whether I need to  
setup my own API key or whatever that would be useful.

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[OSM-talk] GoolzOOm

[Steve Chilton]

Anyone interested in Spain might like to look at GoolzOOm, which is an
impressive set of cadastral maps of Spain which includes an OSM layer -
if you dig deep into the +mapas options
http://googlemapsmania.blogspot.com/

[from Google Maps Mania]

Cheers
STEVE


Steve Chilton, Learning Support Fellow
Manager of e-Learning Academic Development
Centre for Learning and Quality Enhancement
Middlesex University
phone/fax: 020 8411 5355
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.mdx.ac.uk/schools/hssc/staff/profiles/technical/chiltons.asp

Chair of the Society of Cartographers: http://www.soc.org.uk/

SoC conference 2008:
http://www.abdn.ac.uk/cartographers08/


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Re: [OSM-talk] Metro Manila Philippines needs some OSM love

[John McKerrell]

On 15 Jul 2008, at 02:15, maning sambale wrote:


>> The Cloudmade nonames tiles are available world wide now. (You need  
>> to
>> specifically select the correct layer, if the correct layer param  
>> isn't
>> in the url).
>
> This is cool! Might be better to integrate with openstreetbugs so
> non-members can add/correct names.

Indeed, the page could definitely do with an edit link so that I can  
go straight through to potlatch though.

Jon

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Re: [OSM-talk] Italy Video

[John McKerrell]

On 15 Jul 2008, at 16:30, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote:

> Simone Cortesi wrote:
>> Sent: 15 July 2008 3:46 PM
>> To: Frederik Ramm
>> Cc: osm Talk
>> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Italy Video
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Frederik Ramm  
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> John McKerrell wrote:
 Does anyone have the link for that great video shown during the  
 "State
 of Italy" talk?
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZOQSn5tyqQ
>>
>> If there is any need I'd like to provide a better resolution  
>> version of it.
>

If you could post the higher resolution version somewhere that would  
be good, I'm intending to use it in a review of SOTM I'll be giving on  
Thursday. (Also thanks to Frederik for the original response!)

John


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Re: [OSM-talk] Josm: bug in Simplify Way?

[Niccolo Rigacci]

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:54:32PM +, Gabriel Ebner wrote:
> The simplify way action uses the Douglas-Peucker algorithm.  You can change
> its tolerance (in meters) by modifying the "simplify-way.max-error" preference
> (go to the preferences tab, click on the Einstein face, and click "Add").

Thank you Gabrile for your answer, this is very useful!

> By default it uses a tolerance of 50 meters, so if you want less points to be
> removed, you might want to set this to, say, 10 meters.

This is why I suppose a bug in the tool: the resulting way is far 
from the original one by more than 200 m.

Do you think that I should contact the developers?

-- 
Niccolo Rigacci
Firenze - Italy

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