Re: [OSM-legal-talk] 23rd Dec board meeting

[MJ Ray]

"Andy Robinson \(blackadder-lists\)"  wrote:
> The November Board meeting minutes confirm the agreement that the Transfer
> of the trademark applications to the OSMF from Steve will take place. The
> December meeting reported that OSMF had started a dialogue with the
> solicitors processing the applications. It is correct that the actual
> transfer paperwork has not yet been completed, but this will happen in due
> course.  

Thanks for the explanations and clarifications.  One question remains
from me: what steps are being taken to avoid OSM users committing
unnecessary wilful trademark infringement at this time?

As I understand it, once the trademark registration is confirmed (no
matter who to), unauthorised commercial use of the mark becomes a
criminal act punishable by unlimited fines and up to 10 years prison.
Has a written license been granted, or are you expecting people not to
call it OSM any more?

Thanks,
-- 
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Webmaster for hire, statistician and online shop builder for a small
worker cooperative http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ http://mjr.towers.org.uk/
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] 23rd Dec board meeting

[Liz]

On Sun, 25 Jan 2009, SteveC wrote:
> Dear God. You've been asking your lawyer about me personally.

I'm sitting on the edge, watching paranoia argue with paranoia.

The main problem is a lack of information.

Whether this information has not been provided through overwork or malice is 
not the problem, we still don't have the information.



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[OSM-talk] Begginer question: Why road is not rendered in mapnik?

[John3478]

I am able to generate tiles using "generate_tiles.py".
http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/rendering/mapnik/generate_tiles.py

It did create tiles up to zoom level 7 but it did not create any more from 8
to 16 (I am using the extracted california osm file from cloudmate.) Also,
it did not print any road at all eventhough the database has road details

My question is, is this below statement (from generate_tiles.py) supposed to
print road detail? Or I need to add more statement to it 

- this what I try to create-
bbox = (-122.52862930297852, 37.81127577036112, -122.34237670898438,
37.682190082863734)  
render_tiles(bbox, mapfile, tile_dir, 1, 16, "San Francisco")

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[OSM-talk] Any way to convert OSM maps to miomap(iGo) format

[Tanveer Singh]

I have recently purchased a c320. Wanted to know if there was a way to
use opensreetmap with the miomap(iGo myway) software.
I can probably unlock the device and use Gosmore, but would like it if
there was a native way of reading or converting OSM maps to the igo
myway format

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[OSM-talk] GroundTruth, a new mapmaking tool for Garmins - released

[Igor Brejc]

Hello everybody,

I'm pleased to announce the first release of GroundTruth, a new tool for 
creating Garmin maps using OpenStreetMap data. You can find more 
information on my blog post: 
http://igorbrejc.net/openstreetmap/groundtruth-released

The manual hasn't been written yet, this is the next task I'm going to 
do, hopefully it will be finished in a few days. You can find some basic 
usage information on the http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GroundTruth

Best regards,
Igor

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] 23rd Dec board meeting

[Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)]

Peter, please see responses inline below.

Peter Miller wrote:
>Sent: 24 January 2009 11:30 AM
>To: Licensing and other legal discussions.; secret...@osmfoundation.org
>Subject: [OSM-legal-talk] 23rd Dec board meeting
>
>
>Comments on the minutes of the 23rd Dec board meeting
>It is good that the minutes are now posted. I was however disappointed to
>get them the day of the next meeting and a month after the meeting in
>question.
>
>It is good to see that the November minutes have been approved.
>
>Sub-working groups and communications
>It is very useful to start seeing brief biographies of the directors
>appearing on the website (http://foundation.openstreetmap.org/officers-
>board/board-member-bios/).
>
>Does Nick Black have a 'substantial' shareholding in CloudMade? If so I
>think this should be noted, otherwise 'none' would be clearer than no
>entry. Also for consistency with other entries Nick's entry should list
>'other directorships' not 'directorships'; there is no need to repeat the
>OSM Foundation directorship.


Nick's entry has been corrected, thanks for pointing it out.


>
>Steve Coast's entry is very thin. I suggest that it should contain the same
>level of details as the other - I note that the board minutes indicate that
>they are still waiting for content from him.
>
>Mikel gives a link to his blog. This might be an appropriate addition for
>the other entries to allow people to quickly understand where people are
>coming from.
>
>Can I say that we have a great board - I love the diversity, it should give
>the foundation a very strong base.
>
>Workshops
>I am pleased that the planning meeting is going ahead and that it will be a
>full weekend.
>
>I am less pleased that the dates were chosen by the board without checking
>with others (including ITO) who they know are keen to attend, especially as
>the dates clash with a holiday booked by one of our key people months ago!
>ITO has made a big investment in OSM development and does expect to be
>included in and does wish to attend.


The dates were suggestions only, for the benefit of the Board. Nick is
organising and facilitating the event personally and confirms he will be
communicating plans to the community for discussion in the usual way.

>
>Were GeoFabric consulted on the dates, I hope so? Can they make it? I hope
>so.
>
>What about other people? Can Richard Fairhurst - author of PotLatch - make
>those dates? I believe Sundays were not possible for him.
>
>Can CloudMade people make it? I guess so since their two main people were
>in on the decision;) I see this as one of many examples of benefits that
>CloudMade give themselves by driving the process.
>
>Please can some other dates be proposed? I will again suggest that we put
>up a wiki page where people can sign up, give the dates that they can make,
>and then we decide a group which date works best.
>
>I have also had a request from a non-english native speaker that the
>attendance should be limited to people who are actively involved in
>development to keep the numbers down. This is an important strategic
>technical meeting and as such I think that it is a reasonable request and
>will make it easier for people for whom English is not a first language to
>contribute. It suggest that it should not also become a 'local-meetup' for
>anyone who is interested and lives locally to come along.
>
>TradeMarks and Domains
>I note that the transfer of the trademarks has still not happened (I
>checked at the IPO last night). The minutes seem to confuse the process of
>transferring the application with the process of progressing the
>applications themselves.


The November Board meeting minutes confirm the agreement that the Transfer
of the trademark applications to the OSMF from Steve will take place. The
December meeting reported that OSMF had started a dialogue with the
solicitors processing the applications. It is correct that the actual
transfer paperwork has not yet been completed, but this will happen in due
course.  


>
>I have already provided the following information to the board but will
>post it here for the record. Possible Grant, Andy or Steve could get the
>form downloaded, filled out, signed and in the post today - it only takes a
>few minutes. Here is the advice from our lawyer:
>
>"The transfer should be straight forward and simple to complete. In case of
>any doubt, you may wish to let Grant Slater know that the relevant form is
>TM16 (which can be obtained from the IPO website at www.ipo.gov.uk
> ). The simple details need to be completed and the
>form signed by Steve Coast and also on behalf of the OSMF. The TM16 should
>then be returned by post to the IPO (the address is on the form), together
>with a £50 fee.
>
>I am pleased to see that the other OSM related domains have been transfered
>to the foundation.
>
>OSM Open Data License
>There are many comments already on legal-talk that I won't repeat here. I
>do however note from the minutes that "all 

[OSM-talk] Exporting calibrated maps from OSM

[LeedsTracker]

Hello all,

It would seem useful to be able to export calibrated maps from OSM,
perhaps via the export tab. This would make it quick and easy for
someone to actually use OSM in their device and software of choice.

A calibration file could be downloaded together with image files
(JPEG, PNG), perhaps wrapping image and calibration files together in
a .zip file.

This is slightly complicated by the wide range of calibration file
formats. There are a few conversion programs around which suggests
these should all be fairly interchangeable.

I've created a wiki page to list the formats I've come across and
develop ideas: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Exporting_calibrated_maps

Unfortunately I'm not a programmer but just thought I'd put this 'on paper'

cheers,
LT

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[OSM-talk] Controlling Label Position

[Kærast]

Hi,

Is there a recognised way of controlling where the label for
leisure=park should go?  At the moment it's rendering right over the
top of the bandstand and I would like to be able to shift it to
somewhere out of the way.  The wiki suggests that relation role=label is
theoretically what I want, but isn't supported in Mapnik (it is in
osmarender, but that's rendering correctly).

Would creating a multipolygon relationship to cut out the bandstand be
enough to shift the label?  It would be technically incorrect, and
would be tagging for the renderer, but it just looks ugly in Mapnik at
the moment.

See
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.812977&lon=-1.77304&zoom=18&layers=B000FFFT
for the location I'm talking about specifically.  The bandstand looks
like it is called Lister Park whereas it is infact the entire park
which is called Lister Park.

-- 
Alice

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Re: [OSM-talk] uStream .tv broadcast 2pm PST 5pm EST - geobase import

[Shaun McDonald]

On 26 Jan 2009, at 14:07, Greg Troxel wrote:

>
> Russ Nelson  writes:
>
>
>> to the dedicated user.  If somebody has edited it, then it belongs to
>> them now, and won't be touched.  Then, we should rely on maplint to
>
> I should set up JOSM, but potlatch doesn't seem to show the last  
> writer.
> Perhaps it should.

After selecting the way/node hit the H key on your keyboard, and it  
will pop up a history window, including date and user.


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Re: [OSM-talk] uStream .tv broadcast 2pm PST 5pm EST - geobase import

[Greg Troxel]

Russ Nelson  writes:

> On Jan 25, 2009, at 7:17 AM, Greg Troxel wrote:
>>  So I think this is really 3-way merge
>> process, and there needs to be something that looks at each item in  
>> the
>> new dump, finds any previous import, and checks if it has been  
>> modified.
> Bulk imports should always be done under a user dedicated for that one  
> purpose.  Bulk re-imports should only replace data if it still belongs  

That's a good notion, but it doesn't seem to be true for the MassGIS
data.

> to the dedicated user.  If somebody has edited it, then it belongs to  
> them now, and won't be touched.  Then, we should rely on maplint to  

I should set up JOSM, but potlatch doesn't seem to show the last writer.
Perhaps it should.

> look at the tags, and mark data which has duplicate import tags  
> (presuming that the user who edited it didn't delete the import  
> tags).  Otherwise, the problem devolves to duplicate data entry, which  
> is a problem we need to solve regardless (e.g. Poughkeepsie, NY got  
> mapped, and then overlaid by the TIGER import).

Sure, but I think subsequent imports of upstream sources is a simpler
problem.


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Re: [OSM-talk] [Tilesathome] Kerguelen Islands Missing

[Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason]

On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 12:38 AM, Frederik Ramm  wrote:
> Wikimedia Commons has a PD map of the Kergueles with could perhaps (through
> the Metacarta rectifier or similar) be used to aid the process:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kerguelen_Map.png

Yes, but one must be careful using maps from commons, I've encountered
a few under supposedly free licenses which were in fact largely
derived from non-free data.

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Re: [OSM-talk] uStream .tv broadcast 2pm PST 5pm EST - geobase import

[Craig Leat]

Hi

Sam wrote:
> Correction:
> for step 8, the correct word is MERGE (not purge).
 
> -unfortunatly, the only program that can do this is ArchGIS (i think)
> -is there any opensource equivelant that can do this?

uDig has a light weight conflation tool:
http://udig.refractions.net/gallery/linecleaner/

The Jump Project has the Java Conflation Suite (JCS):
http://www.jump-project.org/assets/JUMP_Conflation_Whitepaper.pdf

Cheers

Craig

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Re: [OSM-talk] mapping driveways

[Ed Loach]

> This is only what I do - it may be wrong as I am relatively new
> here - so tell me, please, and I will amend my wicked ways!

I've not been tempted to add nodes for trees yet, though there is a sign on a 
lamppost near here regarding tree preservation orders where specifically 
numbered trees are referred to (I think you need the council 1:5000 or whatever 
scale they use plans to see which they are). 

I have added a few driveways; not yet for individual properties, but those that 
tend to lead to a shared area of garages. Actually, I did map one to an 
individual property in Georgia, USA when I was tracing from Yahoo imagery and 
doing the area where my sister lived to demonstrate OSM to her and her husband 
when I saw them at Christmas. That was quite a long one though.

In terms of housing I haven't done anything in this area, but I have relatives 
in the Church Langley area of Harlow and as the roads that have been GPS traced 
seem to align well with the Yahoo imagery have traced some properties in that 
area in Potlatch (and then orthogonalized them in JOSM):
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.76549&lon=0.147&zoom=17
Adding a few more houses gives me a way to contribute to the map when I've not 
been able to get out and generate more GPS based traces. If you think of the OS 
1:25,000 level maps they tend to show buildings, and I would love to be able to 
produce more detailed maps of this area than their 1:25,000 series.

Another thing I'd like to do is be able to produce street atlases in some way. 
The one that we own for Clacton is so out of date it's fairly useless. New 
roads have been added, one way systems reversed, roads closed or restricted. 
I'm sure tools will be developed at some point. It's not so much the rendering 
that is the issue (I had a little play with Kosmos), but overlaying a grid on 
each page and generating the street name index at the back, with the correct 
page number and grid square entries. I wouldn't really like to do it as a 
manual task.

Ed





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Re: [OSM-talk] mapping driveways

[Mike Harris]

"... People think they edit a map, but in reality they edit a database ..."

When I was a complete newbie - not long ago - it took me a while to realise
this. It is an important point and once I had cottoned on to it I understood
the philosophy and practice of mapping and tagging much better. Perhaps the
concept should be given greater prominence in the wiki - especially those
bits aimed mostly at newbies. It helps to explain many aspects of what the
more experienced mappers and taggers seem to be doing.

Mike Harris

-Original Message-
From: Ulf Lamping [mailto:ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: 25 January 2009 15:19
To: Greg Troxel
Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] mapping driveways

Greg Troxel schrieb:
>   First of all, you should NEVER remove anything from the database,
>   unless you have made certain by your own eye that the object in
>   question is an error and not existing in reality! Even than take care
>   not to remove anything marked as abandoned or alike, that marks this
>   object was once here and the info is kept for historical reasons.
> 
> OK, point taken.  (I know I am not 100% clear on the norms, which is 
> why I'm asking first.)

And that's much better than other people removing stuff without asking first
;-)

> I am most used to the USGS 1:25K paper maps, and at that scale there 
> is a sense of clutter vs useful.  I get the point that the database 
> doesn't have that notion, but that when rendering the tags determine 
> what's included.  So I think my real issues are about tagging.

Yes, it's often that people think they edit a map, but in reality they edit
a database -> resulting in several very different maps.

> Driveway has a connotation of private road that one should not be on 
> unless a guest of or going to the place at the other end.  Service 
> road doesn't t me have that kind of notion.  Thus the road to a tiny 
> airport that has a restaurant open to the public is an access road, 
> but the road into a manufacturing company that's posted No Trespassing 
> is a driveway, even if there are 10x the people using it daily and it 
> has a yellow line and streetlights.
> 
> In the end I think I am wanting a way to tag residential driveways 
> from industrial driveways and commercial driveways, as the 
> social/privacy issues of using them are different.
> 
> I'll go with highway=service, service=driveway, and perhaps for 
> commercial driveways where the public is welcome access=permissive and 
> for private ones access=private.

The access tag makes perfect sense here, especially access=private when
there's a "no trespassing" (or alike) sign there.

Regards, ULFL




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Re: [OSM-talk] mapping driveways

[Mike Harris]

I agree with Matthias in general (except to suggest that the usage is British 
English as well). However, I would also suggest that the word 'driveway' is 
sometimes used for a much longer paved way used by vehicles for access to a 
property or amenity - in which case mapping would seem sensible. All a matter 
of judgement and common sense. I would map the 1 km driveway to a remote 
farmhouse but not the few metres to my own garage!

A final complication is that there is an additional American-English usage in 
which the word is used to describe a scenic route - in which case it would IMHO 
call for a route relation.

As for individual trees - I wouldn't, unless of special historic interest and 
perhaps named - like the "Major Oak" in the Sherwood Forest under which Robin 
Hood is said to have sheltered with his merry men (and Maid Marian - or should 
that be "made" (;>)).

Same with houses - I would not normally record individual properties in a 
built-up residential area but would often try to record isolated named 
properties that act as a landmark in a  rural area.

This is only what I do - it may be wrong as I am relatively new here - so tell 
me, please, and I will amend my wicked ways!

Mike Harris

-Original Message-
From: Matthias Julius [mailto:li...@julius-net.net] 
Sent: 25 January 2009 04:44
To: talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] mapping driveways

Ulf Lamping  writes:

> First of all, you should NEVER remove anything from the database, 
> unless you have made certain by your own eye that the object in 
> question is an error and not existing in reality! Even than take care 
> not to remove anything marked as abandoned or alike, that marks this 
> object was once here and the info is kept for historical reasons.

Yes, renderers and other applications can then choose whether they want to use 
that information or not.

>
> Here in germany we are simply not asking if something should be 
> included! People in densely mapped areas are starting to map single 
> trees and litter bins - not all of us doing so, but that's not the 
> point here.
>
> How this should be tagged depends on what's on the ground. Please have 
> a look at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Map_Features
>
> It indicates to use highway=service together with service=driveway.
>
> Funnily enough, I don't have a clear understanding what a driveway 
> actually is, seems to be an american english specific term?

It's typically a piece of pavement that connects the road with peoples garage 
door.  Of course, the pavement and the garage are optional.

In German I would probably say "Grundstückseinfahrt".

Matthias




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