[OSM-talk] Traveling Salesman v0.9.8 released
Today I am proud to announce Traveling Salesman v0.9.8 . In a few weeks, when API 0.6 goes online we want to push v1.0.0 and to do that, we need your help! We need people who try it out, make bug-reports, suggest improvements, complain... we need YOU. Just click on the webstart-link below, try to use it and then go back to the forum linked below and tell us what you think. We want to make this as stable and reliable as possible to make a usefull navigator for you to use. Traveling Salesman - 0.9.8 == Download it: https://sourceforge.net/project/platformdownload.php?group_id=203597 Start it via Java Webstart: http://travelingsales.sourceforge.net/ts.jnlp Changelog: http://travelingsales.sourceforge.net/bugs/changelog_page.php Announcement: http://apps.sourceforge.net/phpbb/travelingsales/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=49 After introducing house-numbers with v0.9.7, a great deal of new improvements are now getting published with v0.9.8. The most important are probably: * support for turn-restrictions and metrics for making turns with a completely new routing-engine -plugin TurnRestrictedMultiTargetDijkstraRouter. * support for determining what country a road is in and if it is inside a city * that is used to provide support for country-spefic traffic regulations like different maximum speeds and driving on the left side * we show the ETA and remaining kilometers in the routeInstructionPanel * Plugins now support having settings of their own and the Settings-dialog was cleaned up big time * We support many more speech-synthesesis -plugins with SpeechD and invoking external programs. * The low zoom-maps are now much faster and show more roads then before by applying improved road-combining-algorithms = Changes - 052: [Renderers] ODRPaintVisitor: simplified view missing significant parts of roads (Marcuswolschon) - erledigt. - 055: [Renderers] ODRPaintVisitor: map is really sluggish with a database full of detail (Marcuswolschon) - erledigt. - 076: [Route-Finding] Route is recalculated too often (Marcuswolschon) - geschlossen. - 075: [Driving Directions] NullPointerException in SimpleRouteDescriber if there is no myNextStep (Marcuswolschon) - geschlossen. - 072: [Databases] tags-keys changing (Marcuswolschon) - geschlossen. - 060: [User-Interface] Selectable predefined zoom for destinations or route (Marcuswolschon) - geschlossen. - 071: [User-Interface] Icon for roundabouts missing (Marcuswolschon) - geschlossen. - 074: [Route-Finding] TurnRestrictedMultiTargetDijkstraRouter (Marcuswolschon) - geschlossen. - 073: [Address-Search] AdressDB strips cyrillic characters (Marcuswolschon) - geschlossen. - 070: [User-Interface] show ETA and remaining distance to destination in UI (Marcuswolschon) - geschlossen. - 043: [User-Interface] add context menu to map with two items (combbs) - geschlossen. - 069: [Driving Directions] allow an external program to be used for voice-output (Marcuswolschon) - geschlossen. - 068: [Settings and Plugin-Management] support Config-Settings with a list to choose from (Marcuswolschon) - geschlossen. - 067: [Driving Directions] support voice-output using Speechd (Marcuswolschon) - geschlossen. - 066: [Settings and Plugin-Management] Settings cannot handle null values (Marcuswolschon) - geschlossen. - 065: [Settings and Plugin-Management] Improve plugin-system to let plugins have settings of their own (Marcuswolschon) - geschlossen. - 054: [Renderers] ODRPaintVisitor: highway=path without additional tags falsely rendered like a normal road (combbs) - geschlossen. - 059: [Driving Directions] 0.9.8-beta: still wrong instructions (Marcuswolschon) - geschlossen. - 061: [User-Interface] improved finnish translatrion (Marcuswolschon) - geschlossen. - 058: [User-Interface] search field has "steetname" (Marcuswolschon) - geschlossen. - 056: [Driving Directions] A "turn right" is needed but screen shows "follow road" (Marcuswolschon) - geschlossen. - 057: [User-Interface] add instructions to log-panel (Marcuswolschon) - geschlossen. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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On Mar 28, 2009, at 1:50 AM, Stephen Hope wrote: > I don't feel right calling it a cycleway if they > have to give way to other users. Cyclists ALWAYS have to give way to other users. It's a simple matter of the laws of physics. But maybe there are dedicated cycleways in some places where pedestrians enter at the risk of their lives? I know of no such. -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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Cyclists are often going to be asked to give way to pedestrians. Cycle routes often (usually) allow pedestrian access too. I would tag it as a cycleway with foot=yes. The fact that they are part of a cycle trail reinforces this to me. But, hey, get it in the database as something close to right is the most important thing, it can always be changed later and its very presence attracts interest, use and possible improvement. cheers, Chris - Original Message > From: Stephen Hope > To: talk@openstreetmap.org > Sent: Saturday, 28 March, 2009 5:50:01 > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] highway=cycle&footway > > OK, so while we're talking about this, there are a number of paths > near me. Nice smooth concrete, about 2m wide. They run through parks, > and there are signs on the park as a whole that say "No motorised > vehicles". These paths are marked with a sign that has a pedestrian > and a bicycle, and another sign that says "Cyclists give way to > Pedestrians". How would you normally mark these? I've used footway, > plus bicycle=yes. I don't feel right calling it a cycleway if they > have to give way to other users. > > Just to confuse the issue, some of them also have name signs, and most > of these names are "Xxxx cycle trail" (or similar). Even on these, > though, pedestrians still have right of way. > > Stephen > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Allowed ? GSoC'09
Hi,I am working on my proposal for GSoC'09 right now and for the routing implementation tasks ,I intend to use Libraries/APIs of CloudMade ( http://developers.cloudmade.com/ ) which works on OSM as well.Am I allowed to use the same ? I have however,seen many organizations under GSoC'09 making use of APIs from Google/Yahoo! .. Just wondering.. Thanks .. Rajan ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Allowed ? GSoC'09
On Mar 28, 2009, at 9:50 AM, rajan vaish wrote: > I am working on my proposal for GSoC'09 right now and for the > routing implementation tasks ,I intend to use Libraries/APIs of > CloudMade ( http://developers.cloudmade.com/ ) which works on OSM as > well.Am I allowed to use the same ? I have however,seen many > organizations under GSoC'09 making use of APIs from Google/Yahoo! .. > Just wondering.. Why wouldn't you be able to use documented APIs? -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Allowed ? GSoC'09
Hi, rajan vaish wrote: > Hi,I am working on my proposal for GSoC'09 right now and for the routing > implementation tasks ,I intend to use Libraries/APIs of CloudMade ( > http://developers.cloudmade.com/ ) which works on OSM as well.Am I allowed > to use the same ? I don't see why not. It is true that CloudMade say you may use their site "solely for your personal use", whereas Google say any software you produce must be licensed under an OSI approved license (i.e. you cannot produce software licensed as "only for personal use"). But you can simply pass on this restriction to the users of your software: The software you make is free for use/inspection/modification by anybody as per the OSI compliant license you choose, but if people then use your software to access the CloudMade site then they may only do so for their personal use. As you correctly point out, the situation is similar to GSoc students writing software that interacts with Google Maps. Whether or not the OSM project accepts and endorses a proposal for a GSoC project that will only work using the services of CloudMade (which are outside the control of the OSM project) is of course another matter, but I guess if it is something seriously cool then nobody will ask many questions. I believe that CloudMade used to have a developer sponsorship programme of their own where they handed out grants for the development of OSM-related software, so that might be another avenue for you to follow up (but you should really ask them directly as it has been a while since this was last mentioned). Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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Russ Nelson wrote: > On Mar 28, 2009, at 1:50 AM, Stephen Hope wrote: > >> I don't feel right calling it a cycleway if they >> have to give way to other users. > > Cyclists ALWAYS have to give way to other users. It's a simple matter > of the laws of physics. At least here in Germany there are cycleways which are not allowed for pedestrians and others which are shared by cyclists and pedestrians. > But maybe there are dedicated cycleways in some places where pedestrians > enter at the risk of their lives? In some places (e.g. in Munich) it is the life of the cyclist which is risked by pedestrians entering the cyclelists' exclusive track ... Bye, Hatto ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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By the way - in England and Wales, cyclists are normally allowed to use public bridleways (but the highways authority has no obligation to maintain the way to a standard that makes it possible to cycle) unless explicitly forbidden by a very localised regulation. Cyclists must also give way to cyclists and horse riders. I would normally tag these as highway=bridleway with foot/horse/bicycle=yes. An alternative would be to use designation=public_bridleway - in which case, what do people think should be the value for the highway tag? Mike Harris -Original Message- From: Chris Hill [mailto:chillly...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: 28 March 2009 12:30 To: Stephen Hope; talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] highway=cycle&footway Cyclists are often going to be asked to give way to pedestrians. Cycle routes often (usually) allow pedestrian access too. I would tag it as a cycleway with foot=yes. The fact that they are part of a cycle trail reinforces this to me. But, hey, get it in the database as something close to right is the most important thing, it can always be changed later and its very presence attracts interest, use and possible improvement. cheers, Chris - Original Message > From: Stephen Hope > To: talk@openstreetmap.org > Sent: Saturday, 28 March, 2009 5:50:01 > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] highway=cycle&footway > > OK, so while we're talking about this, there are a number of paths > near me. Nice smooth concrete, about 2m wide. They run through parks, > and there are signs on the park as a whole that say "No motorised > vehicles". These paths are marked with a sign that has a pedestrian > and a bicycle, and another sign that says "Cyclists give way to > Pedestrians". How would you normally mark these? I've used footway, > plus bicycle=yes. I don't feel right calling it a cycleway if they > have to give way to other users. > > Just to confuse the issue, some of them also have name signs, and most > of these names are "Xxxx cycle trail" (or similar). Even on these, > though, pedestrians still have right of way. > > Stephen > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 03:50:01PM +1000, Stephen Hope wrote: > OK, so while we're talking about this, there are a number of paths > near me. Nice smooth concrete, about 2m wide. They run through parks, > and there are signs on the park as a whole that say "No motorised > vehicles". These paths are marked with a sign that has a pedestrian > and a bicycle, and another sign that says "Cyclists give way to > Pedestrians". How would you normally mark these? I've used footway, > plus bicycle=yes. I don't feel right calling it a cycleway if they > have to give way to other users. In the UK, any vehicle should give way to a pedestrian on the road (except maybe for a motorway or where signage says different). Does that mean the A34 near me should be a footway (or other non‐ highway=primary)? Simon -- A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works.—John Gall signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] OSM scores at Linux New Media Awards
Dear all, I was just flicking through the latest Linux Magazine (issue 102) and noticed on page 18 this year's winners of the Linux New Media Awards. Just to fill you in: This award is presented annually by Linux New Media AG, the German mother-company of Linux Magazine, for outstanding contributions to Linux and Open Source. OSM won in two out of six categories: - Outstanding contribution to Open Source / Linux / Free Software, and - Most innovative Open Source Project. Congratulations to us all!!! The other winners are Intel, Google Android, Python, and OpenSSH. You may access a PDF of the article under this URL: http://www.linux-magazine.com/issues/2009/102/2009_linux_new_media_awards From this article: "Michel Buege and Dirk-Lüder Kreie accepted the prize on behalf of the project and praised the commitment of the 100,000 or so people who contribute to the free GIS." Quite why OSM receives a software award escapes me, but I don't want to spoil your excitement. Cheers Blumpsy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
