Re: [OSM-talk] Will Google ever use OSM data?
On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 6:28 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > I'd seen a vague allusion to this but not actually heard the full > response. Really interesting - Michael Jones of Google explaining why > they don't use OSM data. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQXDAFJTH6w#t=1m47s > > To summarise: the only reason is that Google don't think our licensing > works; they didn't actually want to launch a competitor; if OSM had > "got its legal act in order" they wouldn't have launched Map Maker > against us and would have used our data. > > Being generally more disposed to the little guy and pretty sceptical > about Google in particular, I take all of this with a Siberian > saltmine or two. > > But what I'm puzzled about is that he says Google were talking to OSM > about licensing for a year. Presumably this was prior to the launch of > Map Maker. > > Map Maker was launched in July 2008. I was on the OSMF Board from > summer 2007 to summer 2008, partly as the "legal guy", so would expect > that "year" and some part of my year to have coincided. But I don't > recall any mention of discussions with Google, either within OSMF or > among the wider community. (I may be forgetful, of course.) > > Basically, I have no idea what he's going on about. > > Can anyone enlighten me? > No (I can't enlighten), but when I've spoken with Google's engineers and managers, this little nugget of information has never arisen. So perhaps the CTO of Geo at Google hasn't exactly made this widely-known or he was mistaken about something he heard a colleague say? Perhaps we could e-mail him directly? Or SteveC could fill us in... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Will Google ever use OSM data?
On Friday 06 Nov 2009 5:58:05 am Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Can anyone enlighten me? > I am also a legal guy, and my senior told me: 'when you have no case, try to confuse the judge' -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Will Google ever use OSM data?
I'd seen a vague allusion to this but not actually heard the full response. Really interesting - Michael Jones of Google explaining why they don't use OSM data. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQXDAFJTH6w#t=1m47s To summarise: the only reason is that Google don't think our licensing works; they didn't actually want to launch a competitor; if OSM had "got its legal act in order" they wouldn't have launched Map Maker against us and would have used our data. Being generally more disposed to the little guy and pretty sceptical about Google in particular, I take all of this with a Siberian saltmine or two. But what I'm puzzled about is that he says Google were talking to OSM about licensing for a year. Presumably this was prior to the launch of Map Maker. Map Maker was launched in July 2008. I was on the OSMF Board from summer 2007 to summer 2008, partly as the "legal guy", so would expect that "year" and some part of my year to have coincided. But I don't recall any mention of discussions with Google, either within OSMF or among the wider community. (I may be forgetful, of course.) Basically, I have no idea what he's going on about. Can anyone enlighten me? cheers Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal -Voting - (man_made=mineshaft)
> You already have a consensus that no further need for changes is > needed. What more do you want? A pony? A lollipop? A vote? How is > voting once the document has been approved by everyone going to change > anything? > > Don't vote. Just start using the tag. Do we really need to revisit > this discussion again so soon? I do not know which discussion you mean? According to the wiki voting is still neccessary to approve a new feature. If there have been any changes to this, they are not documented in the wiki. lesi ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting -(man_made=mineshaft)
Hi, Russ Nelson wrote: > You already have a consensus that no further need for changes is > needed. What more do you want? A pony? A lollipop? A vote? How is > voting once the document has been approved by everyone going to change > anything? +1. Maybe we should set a precedent and move the feature to "approved features" and put "approved by broad consensus on talk"? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting -(man_made=mineshaft)
Lesi writes: > > In the last days no further problems appeared and it seems that all > > helpful > > suggestions are included now. > > > > So let's start voting: > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Mineshaft > > > > It would be nice if further votes would be more serious. > If you do not like voting, do not take part in them. > There are people, who do not think that total anarchy is the way to go. You already have a consensus that no further need for changes is needed. What more do you want? A pony? A lollipop? A vote? How is voting once the document has been approved by everyone going to change anything? Don't vote. Just start using the tag. Do we really need to revisit this discussion again so soon? -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-323-1241 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting -(man_made=mineshaft)
> In the last days no further problems appeared and it seems that all > helpful > suggestions are included now. > > So let's start voting: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Mineshaft > > lesi It would be nice if further votes would be more serious. If you do not like voting, do not take part in them. There are people, who do not think that total anarchy is the way to go. lesi ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (man_made=mineshaft)
In the last days no further problems appeared and it seems that all helpful suggestions are included now. So let's start voting: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Mineshaft lesi ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New OpenStreetBugs javascript client
On Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 06:58:22PM +0100, Candid Dauth wrote:
> Hello there,
>
> a new OpenStreetBugs backend has been there for a while (see
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenStreetBugs and
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Emka/new_OSB) to resolve problems of
> the old one. However, the old JavaScript code is still being used, as the new
> API is compatible to the old one.
>
> The current OpenStreetBugs JavaScript code consists of lots of global
> functions that call each other, not using object orientation. This leads to
> two problems:
> 1. You cannot properly extend the code. If you want to change the bug icon or
> the name of the layer for example, you have to copy the openstreetbugs.js to
> your server and change the part in the code. This way, you have to apply bug
> fixes yourself. (You could also try to include the original JavaScript file
> and then overwrite the global functions, but this is not a very proper way.)
> 2. You cannot include the layer into multiple maps on one page.
I like the idea and tried it - I fail to disable the layer by default
and the other problem i see is the control adding - i liked the old
OSB way of first having to click an icon at the top before a click
to the map adds a bug - otherwise one accidentally adds bugs or at least
lets the form pop up regularly - a click on the map should never alone
trigger an event - typically clicking on the map means click-hold - pan
double-click zoom - so left click should be reserved for navigation and
not other actions ...
/* Openstreetbugs */
var osb = new OpenLayers.Layer.OpenStreetBugs("OpenStreetBugs", { "visibility":
false });
map.addLayer(osb);
var osbControl = new OpenLayers.Control.OpenStreetBugs(osb);
map.addControl(osbControl);
Thats basically my code i added ... (http://maxspeed.osm.lab.rfc822.org)
> Are there any suggestions about the new client, especially about its GUI?
> Does
> it work properly on your browsers? What’s your opinion about integrating it
> in
> the Slippy Map on openstreetmap.org?
Flo
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