Re: [talk-ph] ideas for tracking stepjuan's journey
Another useful looking tool ... http://www.opengts.org/ Jim ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Recording POI's with a camera
one procedure to do before leaving for your trip is to try to synchronize the time of the digital camera with the GPS. this will be helpful when the pictures are being geo-tagged. cheers, --bunny --- On Tue, 15/3/11, tutubi tut...@backpackingphilippines.com wrote: From: tutubi tut...@backpackingphilippines.com Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Recording POI's with a camera To: Ian Haylock hayloc...@gmail.com Cc: Openstreetmap Philippines talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Received: Tuesday, 15 March, 2011, 3:56 AM geotaggging, something i was looking for last year but found the add-on expensive i did some sort of crude mapping last weekend. while looking for some shops on Roosevelt Ave, QC, i took pictures of the road and signages so that i don't have to make mental notes... several shops visited while wifey did some shopping... On 3/15/11, Ian Haylock hayloc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, You probably know this already, but I only discovered it a few weeks ago. I knew if you had a digital camera with GPS that you could load pictures from it into JOSM and the would apear at the correct location on the map. What I did not realize was that you can also use a digital camera even if it doesn't have a built in GPS receiver. This is because the camera records the time that the picture was taken. To make this work you need to start your GPS recording. Then just take photo's of any POI's that take your fancy. When you get home load the recorded track into JOSM. Then right click on the GPS layer (in the layer list), and import the photo's you took on the trip. The POI photo's are then imported at the correct location on the map. If the locations are slightly off, they can be manually adjusted, by adjusting the time offset. This could save a lot of note taking on mapping parties, as you could just take a photo of a road, and later use that to enter details of road type, surface type, etc. I find this technique works well riding shotgun in a car when on some mundane trip to the supermarket,as it enables me to record subdivision names, road names, etc without having to stop at each location. Cheers Ian -- --- I explore, therefore I blog. http://www.backpackingphilippines.com ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] GPS article
Backgrounder on GPS accuracy, dGPS, aGPS etc http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/10/rae_gps_report/ Jim -- datalude: information security e: j...@datalude.com Philippines: +63 2 403 1311 / mob: +63 917 849 3939 Hong Kong: +852 6840 6693 w: http://www.datalude.com/ ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] bohol meetup?
Hi Guys, I will be in Bohol next week (March 21-26) and can probably squeeze in a couple of hours before going back to Manila. If any Bohol mappers are interested for a brief meetup and learning session, let me know. -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Recording POI's with a camera
Hi, another tip if you record more than one track, is photographing your hand whilst holding up the number of fingers to match the track number at the start of every track. This way when you get home it's easy to see which photo's belong to which track. As this method of geotagging is using the date and time embedded in the photo, you will not have to worry about giving away your gps location, (unless of course you have a camera with gps). Also as most, if not all digital cameras encode the date and time, there is no extra expense, (unless you need to buy a camera :-) ) Cheers, Ian ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [OSM-talk] Named passages on hiking paths
Thank you all for your inputs, translations and jokes :) Here, pas does not refer to a mountain pass (although some mountain passes have a name starting with Pas de ...). I don't think traverse would fit either because the term is specific to climbers. Via ferrata is closer because these ways are equipped with cables/chains. But they are still different because the whole path of a via ferrata is equiped and they purposely go through difficult/vertical obstacles. Climbing equipment is usually required for security. I'm rather talking about very short difficult passages along a regular hiking path. Such passages are not there for fun but because of an unavoidable obstacle. I manage to find some pictures of some pas: * Pas de la savonnette: http://www.amisdesaintevictoire.asso.fr/montagne%20sainte%20victoire/sentiers/jaune/stevictoir030606%20004.jpg * Pas de l'oeil de verre: http://www.randomania.fr/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/pas_oeil_verre_equipe.JPG * Pas du Boret: http://www.randoplus.ch/img/photos/600/pas-du-boret.jpg In the last example, there is no chain or particular equipment on the way but this passage is very steep and wearying, hence the qualification as Pas de I think that Phil got the right term with step. I've never tried the Hillary step myself (!) but from what I can read, it matches the description of what we call a pas. Moreover, these technical passages are often symbolic marks along the trail. For example, if I were to describe a hiking trail, I could decompose it in several legs joining these pas and other landmarks. It is therefore relevant to talk about a step. Phil also said that step carries too many meanings and is therefore unclear. Even if hiking=step would reduce the scope to the hiking context, we can expect confusion with highway=steps. I'm reluctant to add an adjective such as technical_step because, as I said earlier, a pas can be technical OR just wearying OR anything difficult. Anyway, thanks again for your inputs. I'll try to discuss an appropriate tag with hikers on Talk:Hiking. Regards, Gilles Nathan Edgars II wrote: Gilles Bassière wrote: When hiking, I often encounter short technical passages which have a name painted on the rock. In French, the name almost always begin with Pas de ... but I'm not sure if there is a good translation for pas in English [1]. Such portions of the path often consist in passing a small cliff or an exposed ridge, they may be equipped with chains or cables. Is http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/via_ferrata what you're thinking of? -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Named-passages-on-hiking-paths-tp6170108p6171183.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Gilles Bassière - Web/GIS software engineer http://gbassiere.free.fr/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] New SPOT imagery over Ivory Coast
Hi, After two aerial images over Abidjan, SPOT has released a new image for Openstreetmap in Ivory Coast. It covers the border area with Liberia, as many internal displaced people are moving there according to reports. Quality is very decent and it is easy to trace is a not too dense area. This image is also an application case for French students trained by Nicolas Chavent on OSM/HOT, which have already done a great job of tracing/village naming. I will let him tell more about that. Tracing is allowed in JOSM and Merkaartor but not Potlatch. The source tag is 2009 Cnes / Spot Image The WMS URL for use in JOSM is : http://ws.spotimage.com/spotlive/wms/594c4e05-0160-41b8-908e-8331305dcefc?FORMAT=image/jpegVERSION=1.1.1SERVICE=WMSREQUEST=GetMapLayers=spotlive; More details are on the wiki : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/En:WikiProject_Ivory_Coast Thanks -- Frédéric Bonifas +33672652807 skype:fredericbonifas ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Named passages on hiking paths
2011/3/14 Steve Doerr steve.do...@blueyonder.co.uk: On 14/03/2011 20:34, Phil Endecott wrote: I think the OP's problem is a particular example of a more general problem, of tagging a particular stretch of a way with a specific name which doesn't negate the name of the way as a whole. You get that with terraces, parades, etc. on roads, with reaches of a river, and no doubt with other features as well. yes, this also occurs sometimes on bridges and squares: the way although keeping its name gets additionally another name while running on this feature. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM?Merkaartor but not Potlatch (was Re: New SPOT imagery over Ivory Coast)
For now, SPOT doesn't want the imagery to be used in a web app, but only with desktop ones. The complete license in here : http://www.youmapps.org/licenses/EULA-OSM-en.html -- Frédéric Bonifas +33672652807 skype:fredericbonifas 2011/3/15 Steve Doerr steve.do...@blueyonder.co.uk: On 15/03/2011 09:11, Frédéric Bonifas wrote: Tracing is allowed in JOSM and Merkaartor but not Potlatch. That's the second time I've seen that condition attached to a donation of imagery to the project. What is the reason for it? -- Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Crisis mapping - assistance requested for infrastructure mapping in Tohoku/Japan
Now we are mapping around tsunami/earthquake afflicted area. Broad area has affected, so we need help to create base map. Please help us. There are some high-resolution Bing area around tohoku. Aomori, Hachinohe, Sanriku (Kamaishi to Miyako), Sendai, Kurihara, ichinoseki,Oou, Hanamaki, Morioka, Iwaki ...etc Here is a Bing-area map on google map. http://maps.google.co.jp/maps/ms?ie=UTF8hl=enbrcurrent=3,0x34674e0fd77f192f:0xf54275d47c665244,0msa=0ll=39.491324,141.152344spn=3.598772,6.421509z=8msid=214659934638657454830.00049e3467120e402f8cb Till new imagely will come, we are trying to create base map as fare as we can. Thanks. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Interested in Assisting Newbies to Help Map Japan?
Hey All, CrisisCommons has a bunch of volunteers who would like to help map Japan. They have never mapped in OpenStreetMap before. Is anyone interested in helping them along? It was suggested making a quick Youtube video (similar to what I did for Haiti: http://www.youtube.com/wonderchook#p/a/u/2/D6pBBK1SHh0). I just don't have any bandwidth to take this on at the moment. They were also hoping someone could answer some questions over Skype. If anyone is interested let me know. Thanks, Kate user:wonderchook ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Interested in Assisting Newbies to Help Map Japan?
how about pointing them at http://irc.openstreemap.org/ ? it's not perfect, but... better than nothing On 3/15/2011 10:09 AM, Kate Chapman wrote: Hey All, CrisisCommons has a bunch of volunteers who would like to help map Japan. They have never mapped in OpenStreetMap before. Is anyone interested in helping them along? It was suggested making a quick Youtube video (similar to what I did for Haiti: http://www.youtube.com/wonderchook#p/a/u/2/D6pBBK1SHh0). I just don't have any bandwidth to take this on at the moment. They were also hoping someone could answer some questions over Skype. If anyone is interested let me know. Thanks, Kate user:wonderchook ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Crisis mapping - assistance requested for infrastructure mapping in Tohoku/Japan
under the following link you can find several checks that will significantly improve routing aibility of japanese north east. more checks will be added soon! when they are produced. i will run these checks frequently but don't know the exact frequency yet. depends on run time and demand. checks currently cover lat 36.15 and lon 140 http://www.gary68.de/osm/qa/japan/japan.zip please do organize work on that page. all the best! gerhard On Wed, 2011-03-16 at 01:18 +0900, Tomomichi Hayakawa wrote: Now we are mapping around tsunami/earthquake afflicted area. Broad area has affected, so we need help to create base map. Please help us. There are some high-resolution Bing area around tohoku. Aomori, Hachinohe, Sanriku (Kamaishi to Miyako), Sendai, Kurihara, ichinoseki,Oou, Hanamaki, Morioka, Iwaki ...etc Here is a Bing-area map on google map. http://maps.google.co.jp/maps/ms?ie=UTF8hl=enbrcurrent=3,0x34674e0fd77f192f:0xf54275d47c665244,0msa=0ll=39.491324,141.152344spn=3.598772,6.421509z=8msid=214659934638657454830.00049e3467120e402f8cb Till new imagely will come, we are trying to create base map as fare as we can. Thanks. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Crisis mapping - assistance requested for infrastructure mapping in Tohoku/Japan
sorry. just posted link to data... http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Aktionen/Aktion_15 that's the wiki page. data is linked in wiki as well. cheers gerhard On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 21:10 +0100, Gary68 wrote: under the following link you can find several checks that will significantly improve routing aibility of japanese north east. more checks will be added soon! when they are produced. i will run these checks frequently but don't know the exact frequency yet. depends on run time and demand. checks currently cover lat 36.15 and lon 140 http://www.gary68.de/osm/qa/japan/japan.zip please do organize work on that page. all the best! gerhard On Wed, 2011-03-16 at 01:18 +0900, Tomomichi Hayakawa wrote: Now we are mapping around tsunami/earthquake afflicted area. Broad area has affected, so we need help to create base map. Please help us. There are some high-resolution Bing area around tohoku. Aomori, Hachinohe, Sanriku (Kamaishi to Miyako), Sendai, Kurihara, ichinoseki,Oou, Hanamaki, Morioka, Iwaki ...etc Here is a Bing-area map on google map. http://maps.google.co.jp/maps/ms?ie=UTF8hl=enbrcurrent=3,0x34674e0fd77f192f:0xf54275d47c665244,0msa=0ll=39.491324,141.152344spn=3.598772,6.421509z=8msid=214659934638657454830.00049e3467120e402f8cb Till new imagely will come, we are trying to create base map as fare as we can. Thanks. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Movement of Japan coastline
I've read news reports (e.g. [1]) that the entire country of Japan has moved about 2.4 meters (8 feet) because of the recent earthquake. Is this something that we want to deal with on a large-scale basis? If so, should it be done soon, before people start mapping from updated imagery and mix old and new positions? Or is 2.4 meters not enough to worry about? Unfortunately the articles I've found have been very lacking in details, such as moved relative to what? In what direction? [1] http://articles.cnn.com/2011-03-12/world/japan.earthquake.tsunami.earth_1_tsunami-usgs-geophysicist-quake?_s=PM:WORLD ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Crisis mapping - assistance requested for infrastructure mapping in Tohoku/Japan
For those that would not be aware of it, there is a bilingual wiki page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2011_Sendai_earthquake_and_tsunami Best wishes, Jean-Guilhem Le 15/03/2011 17:18, Tomomichi Hayakawa a écrit : Now we are mapping around tsunami/earthquake afflicted area. Broad area has affected, so we need help to create base map. Please help us. There are some high-resolution Bing area around tohoku. Aomori, Hachinohe, Sanriku (Kamaishi to Miyako), Sendai, Kurihara, ichinoseki,Oou, Hanamaki, Morioka, Iwaki ...etc Here is a Bing-area map on google map. http://maps.google.co.jp/maps/ms?ie=UTF8hl=enbrcurrent=3,0x34674e0fd77f192f:0xf54275d47c665244,0msa=0ll=39.491324,141.152344spn=3.598772,6.421509z=8msid=214659934638657454830.00049e3467120e402f8cb Till new imagely will come, we are trying to create base map as fare as we can. Thanks. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Movement of Japan coastline
Unfortunately the articles I've found have been very lacking in details, such as moved relative to what? In what direction? Tomoji (developer of RTKLib) has some commentary on his blog about the movement of GPS stations during the quake: http://gpspp.sakura.ne.jp/diary201103.htm He may be able to provide links for data to compute 'perminant' movement. Simon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk-nl] Ineens veel conflicten in JOSM
Collega's, Misschien is het toeval, ligt het aan mij, maar sinds kort krijg ik bij het uploaden van mijn edits in JOSM veel meer meldingen over conflicten dan voorheen. Eerder kon ik vrijwel al mijn changesets ineens uploaden, en nu zijn er vrijwel standaard wel een paar elementen met een nieuwere versie op de server! Iemand een idee waar dat door kan komen? Iemand soortgelijke ervaringen? - Ben op het moment bezig met fietsknooppuntenroutes ten westen van Gouda - maar ik heb eerder ook al veel fietsroutes gedaan, zonder problemen. - Ben net overgestapt op JOSM versie 3966. - Bewaar (vrijwel) nooit mijn lagen in JOSM, maar upload voordat ik afsluit; de tijd tussen starten en sluiten van een changeset is hooguit een paar uur. - Het is voor zover ik kan nagaan altijd de server die een nieuwere versie van de objecten heeft - zelfs van objecten die ik zelf heb aangemaakt. - Voor het uploaden doe ik bij grotere changesets een 'update'; daar komen dan geen conflicten uit voort. Alle suggesties welkom, J-. ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Ineens veel conflicten in JOSM
On 15-3-2011 18:37, Jeroen Muris wrote: Collega's, Misschien is het toeval, ligt het aan mij, maar sinds kort krijg ik bij het uploaden van mijn edits in JOSM veel meer meldingen over conflicten dan voorheen. Eerder kon ik vrijwel al mijn changesets ineens uploaden, en nu zijn er vrijwel standaard wel een paar elementen met een nieuwere versie op de server! Heb je een van die objecten bekeken als je een conflict krijgt? Wat staat daar dan voor gegevens op? Groeten, Maarten ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Ineens veel conflicten in JOSM
Op 15-3-2011 21:24, Maarten Deen schreef:
On 15-3-2011 18:37, Jeroen Muris wrote:
Collega's,
Misschien is het toeval, ligt het aan mij, maar sinds kort krijg ik bij
het uploaden van mijn edits in JOSM veel meer meldingen over conflicten
dan voorheen. Eerder kon ik vrijwel al mijn changesets ineens uploaden,
en nu zijn er vrijwel standaard wel een paar elementen met een nieuwere
versie op de server!
Heb je een van die objecten bekeken als je een conflict krijgt? Wat
staat daar dan voor gegevens op?
Ik ben een aantal verschillende situaties tegengekomen, zoals:
* beide versies (server en lokaal) zijn verwijderd, maar met
verschillende tags
* enige verschil tussen twee nodes (server en lokaal) zijn de coördinaten
* de versie op de server heeft geen tags ('undefined' voor key+value),
mijn lokale versie wel
Ik kies er consequent voor de server-versie over te nemen en daarna mijn
lokale versie weer op te schonen. Problemen die ik daarbij tegenkom zijn
o.a.:
* kopieen van relaties met id=0, maar zonder leden
* duplicate nodes, nodes vlak bij elkaar (en daardoor kruisende wegen)
* duplicate ways na het mergen van de duplicate nodes
Ik vind het allemaal heel raadselachtig.
J-.
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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Ineens veel conflicten in JOSM
er zijn wel steeds meer relaties, bij mij gaat het eigenlijk alleen
daarbij mis...
groet,
floris
2011/3/15 Jeroen Muris jer...@tweejee.net:
Op 15-3-2011 21:24, Maarten Deen schreef:
On 15-3-2011 18:37, Jeroen Muris wrote:
Collega's,
Misschien is het toeval, ligt het aan mij, maar sinds kort krijg ik bij
het uploaden van mijn edits in JOSM veel meer meldingen over conflicten
dan voorheen. Eerder kon ik vrijwel al mijn changesets ineens uploaden,
en nu zijn er vrijwel standaard wel een paar elementen met een nieuwere
versie op de server!
Heb je een van die objecten bekeken als je een conflict krijgt? Wat staat
daar dan voor gegevens op?
Ik ben een aantal verschillende situaties tegengekomen, zoals:
* beide versies (server en lokaal) zijn verwijderd, maar met verschillende
tags
* enige verschil tussen twee nodes (server en lokaal) zijn de coördinaten
* de versie op de server heeft geen tags ('undefined' voor key+value), mijn
lokale versie wel
Ik kies er consequent voor de server-versie over te nemen en daarna mijn
lokale versie weer op te schonen. Problemen die ik daarbij tegenkom zijn
o.a.:
* kopieen van relaties met id=0, maar zonder leden
* duplicate nodes, nodes vlak bij elkaar (en daardoor kruisende wegen)
* duplicate ways na het mergen van de duplicate nodes
Ik vind het allemaal heel raadselachtig.
J-.
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[talk-au] Experimental OSM Mapnik/NearMap Shaded Relief of Sydney
I thought I should post this link in case it is of interest: http://andrew.liway.net/nearmap-osmmapnik-shaded.html It is a slippy map of the OSM mapnik rendering combined with NearMap shaded relief tiles for Sydney (yes, it's probably in violation of the ShareAlike component of the OSM Mapnik render, but anyway...). ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Fwd: [OpenStreetMap] Lights
Hi, I received this request from Markus B, from Germany. Nelson Bay is a little far from my area and I don't expect to travel there until at least Easter. If there's anyone in Nelson Bay or visiting it soon, could you check the position of the nautical lights? Diego -- Forwarded message -- From: Markus B m-170482-9b6...@messages.openstreetmap.org Date: 10 March 2011 09:16 Subject: [OpenStreetMap] Lights To: dmollaal...@gmail.com Hi Diego, Markus B has sent you a message through OpenStreetMap with the subject Lights: == Hello Diego, I have edit some nautical lights. Please can you check the position of new nautical lights around Nelson Bay? After please delete the tag seamark:fixme=please_fix_postion. Thanks for help, Markus == You can also read the message at http://www.openstreetmap.org/message/read/170482 and you can reply at http://www.openstreetmap.org/message/reply/170482 -- Do you want to know what is going on in Language Technology in Australia and New Zealand? Join ALTA -- http://www.alta.asn.au/ This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are not necessarily the views of Macquarie University. - Diego MOLLA ALIOD di...@ics.mq.edu.au Department of Computing http://www.ics.mq.edu.au/~diego Macquarie University ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [Talk-br] como fazer mapa de rotas
Olá Yuriê, acho muito bacana o que você quer fazer, mas acredito que o banco de dados do OSM não é o local mais indicado para as rotas. Explico: as informações no OSM são factuais e verificáveis (tipo a Wikipédia), não pode ser arbitrárias. O que quero dizer com isso é que as cycling friendly streets são cycling friendly streets _oficiais_ (com sinalização colocada pelo governo, como ocorre em alguns países), as rotas também são definidas por entidades etc. Em outras palavras, não são rotas criadas pelos usuários. Eu costumo criar algumas rotas no Bikely que, infelizmente, usa o mapa do Google Maps. Se você tiver alguma sugestão de serviço que utilize os mapas do OSM - tipo o Ride the City mas para qualquer cidade - agradeço. Em tempo, mapeei todos os 150km de ciclovias aqui do Rio, vale dar uma olhada ;) []s Arlindo Pereira 2011/3/15 Yuriê Baptista César yuriebc.coi...@gmail.com Leandro, valeu pelas informações. Desde que enviei o e-mail li quase tudo que tem na wiki sobre os mapas cicloviarios, mas uma coisa eu fiquei na dúvida. Em http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle#Cycle_tracks fala dos diversos tipo de vias para bicicletas, inclusive das ciclyng frendly streets, que são as ruas que não possuem ciclovia ou ciclofaixa mas são tranquilas para pedalar. Como no Brasil praticamente não temos ciclovias o que constará no mapa que quero fazer é basicamente definir as ciclyng frendly streets. mas ai que entra a dúvida, as tags referentes as ciclyng frendly streets, pelo meu entendimento, não identificam que ali é tranquilo para pedalar. os critérios definidos como largura da via, velocidade maxima e tipo de via não são fatores determinantes para que ao se traçar uma rota do ponto A ao ponto B aquela via seja privilegiada. Sei lá, acho que deveria ter uma tag referente a ciclyng frendly streets ou ao menos bicycle=yes. Não sei se colocar a tag bicycle=yes vai causar algum problema e nem se isso vai fazer com que a rota seja traçada por aquela via. Key Value Purpose *width http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:width=* * width of road in metres Indicate a wide single lane road or a squeeze point *maxspeed http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxspeed=** speed limit Roads with lower speed limits tend to be less crowded by cars. * source:maxspeed http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source:maxspeed=* * residential,urban,... On countryside streets tend to be less crowded from cars (at least for lanes=2) *laneshttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:lanes =** total number of lanes making up the way Single lane wide roads with low speed limits tend to be low-stress routes (but may increase stress for cyclists that want to cycle fast) o que você acha? ah. Algumas ruas não são totalmente ciclaveis, apenas um pedaço dela que é, desta forma, eu tenho que divir a rua em pedaços e identificar aquele que me interessa? E as calçadas, como traço rotas de pedestres e calçadas compartilhadas? abraço, Yuriê Em 9 de março de 2011 13:27, Leandro Motta Barros lmbar...@gmail.comescreveu: Oi Yuriê, Não sei se tenho como te ajudar muito, mas já que ninguém mais respondeu, aí vão alguns comentários. A ferramenta que eu uso para editar no OpenStreetMap é o JOSM (http://josm.openstreetmap.de). Eventualmente até uso o Potlach (editor direto na página web do OSM, em Flash), mas pessoalmente eu acho o JOSM muito melhor para qualquer edição não trivial. (Isso provavelmente é questão de costume, mas eu sempre acabo recomendado o JOSM, nem que seja porque é o único editor que eu seria capaz de prestar alguma ajuda). O mapeamento de rotas no OSM é feito através de relações do tipo route: em http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Route . No caso de rotas ciclísticas, essa página tem uma seção de cycle routes. Eu acho que o conceito de relações no OSM não é tão intuitivo assim, talvez queiras ler e entender essa introdução antes de sair mapeando rotas: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation . Sobre integração entre OSM/JOSM e Mapsource, não sei dizer nada, mas creio que não exista uma forma totalmente automática de transportar as tuas rotas desenhadas no Mapsource direto para o OSM da maneira correta (ou seja, através de relações do tipo route, como eu disse acima). Isso são orientações bem gerais, se tiveres alguma dúvida mais específica, vai perguntando aí que vamos tentando ajudar. Abraço, LMB PS: Sei que tem gente aí na lista que pedala (não é meu caso), mas não sei que experiência eles têm com mapeamento de rotas ciclísticas. De repente alguém mais qualificado que eu ainda se pronuncia :-) PPS: Se por acaso ainda não conheces o OpenCycleMap, acho que vai ser do teu interesse: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenCycleMap 2011/3/7 Yuriê Baptista César yuriebc.coi...@gmail.com: Olá pessoal, estou querendo fazer um mapa de rotas de bicicletas desse tipo: http://www.ridethecity.com/ e to sem idéia de por onde começar. já
Re: [Talk-br] como fazer mapa de rotas
Arlindo, a idéia de fazer as cycling friendly streets são rotas determinadas por especialistas na mobilidade por bicicletas, não são rotas aleatórias tiradas da minha cabeça. é claro que o OSM sendo um mapa colaborativo, pode ser que alguém altere as rotas colocadas ali. mas não acredito que isso possa acontecer. no caso de não serem rotas oficiais, é importante salientar que todas as rotas são meramente informativas, assim como o google maps. Cada um fica responsável pela sua segurança e tem que ter noção de onde é possível pedalar de onde não é. eu estou começando nessa história de produzir mapas. Pelo que pesquisei, ao menos voltado para bicicleta, o que existe é o bikely e o Ride the City. Enviei um e-mail para o pessoal do Ride The City mas ainda náo obtive uma resposta. O último projeto deles foi de Santiago do Chile, pelo que sei, lá não existem cycling friendly streets oficiais, mas posso estar enganado. Vou entrar em contato com o pessoal do Chile para saber. abraços, Yuriê Em 16 de março de 2011 00:36, Arlindo Pereira openstreet...@arlindopereira.com escreveu: Olá Yuriê, acho muito bacana o que você quer fazer, mas acredito que o banco de dados do OSM não é o local mais indicado para as rotas. Explico: as informações no OSM são factuais e verificáveis (tipo a Wikipédia), não pode ser arbitrárias. O que quero dizer com isso é que as cycling friendly streets são cycling friendly streets _oficiais_ (com sinalização colocada pelo governo, como ocorre em alguns países), as rotas também são definidas por entidades etc. Em outras palavras, não são rotas criadas pelos usuários. Eu costumo criar algumas rotas no Bikely que, infelizmente, usa o mapa do Google Maps. Se você tiver alguma sugestão de serviço que utilize os mapas do OSM - tipo o Ride the City mas para qualquer cidade - agradeço. Em tempo, mapeei todos os 150km de ciclovias aqui do Rio, vale dar uma olhada ;) []s Arlindo Pereira 2011/3/15 Yuriê Baptista César yuriebc.coi...@gmail.com Leandro, valeu pelas informações. Desde que enviei o e-mail li quase tudo que tem na wiki sobre os mapas cicloviarios, mas uma coisa eu fiquei na dúvida. Em http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle#Cycle_tracks fala dos diversos tipo de vias para bicicletas, inclusive das ciclyng frendly streets, que são as ruas que não possuem ciclovia ou ciclofaixa mas são tranquilas para pedalar. Como no Brasil praticamente não temos ciclovias o que constará no mapa que quero fazer é basicamente definir as ciclyng frendly streets. mas ai que entra a dúvida, as tags referentes as ciclyng frendly streets, pelo meu entendimento, não identificam que ali é tranquilo para pedalar. os critérios definidos como largura da via, velocidade maxima e tipo de via não são fatores determinantes para que ao se traçar uma rota do ponto A ao ponto B aquela via seja privilegiada. Sei lá, acho que deveria ter uma tag referente a ciclyng frendly streets ou ao menos bicycle=yes. Não sei se colocar a tag bicycle=yes vai causar algum problema e nem se isso vai fazer com que a rota seja traçada por aquela via. Key Value Purpose *width http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:width =** width of road in metres Indicate a wide single lane road or a squeeze point *maxspeedhttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxspeed =** speed limit Roads with lower speed limits tend to be less crowded by cars. *source:maxspeedhttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source:maxspeed =** residential,urban,... On countryside streets tend to be less crowded from cars (at least for lanes=2) *laneshttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:lanes =** total number of lanes making up the way Single lane wide roads with low speed limits tend to be low-stress routes (but may increase stress for cyclists that want to cycle fast) o que você acha? ah. Algumas ruas não são totalmente ciclaveis, apenas um pedaço dela que é, desta forma, eu tenho que divir a rua em pedaços e identificar aquele que me interessa? E as calçadas, como traço rotas de pedestres e calçadas compartilhadas? abraço, Yuriê Em 9 de março de 2011 13:27, Leandro Motta Barros lmbar...@gmail.comescreveu: Oi Yuriê, Não sei se tenho como te ajudar muito, mas já que ninguém mais respondeu, aí vão alguns comentários. A ferramenta que eu uso para editar no OpenStreetMap é o JOSM (http://josm.openstreetmap.de). Eventualmente até uso o Potlach (editor direto na página web do OSM, em Flash), mas pessoalmente eu acho o JOSM muito melhor para qualquer edição não trivial. (Isso provavelmente é questão de costume, mas eu sempre acabo recomendado o JOSM, nem que seja porque é o único editor que eu seria capaz de prestar alguma ajuda). O mapeamento de rotas no OSM é feito através de relações do tipo route: em http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Route . No caso de rotas ciclísticas, essa página tem uma seção de cycle routes. Eu acho que o conceito de relações no OSM não é tão intuitivo
Re: [Talk-br] como fazer mapa de rotas
Podemos sim criar rotas personalizadas no bd, desde que estejam definidas como tal. Nao seriam atributos nas ruas, mas sim rotas propriamente ditas no banco de dados, que seriam relações das ruas que compõem a rota. De uma olhada como são feitas rotas de ônibus, acho que as rotas de bicicleta seriam similares. Att, Diogo W. Em 16/03/2011, às 01:08, Yuriê Baptista César yuriebc.coi...@gmail.com escreveu: Arlindo, a idéia de fazer as cycling friendly streets são rotas determinadas por especialistas na mobilidade por bicicletas, não são rotas aleatórias tiradas da minha cabeça. é claro que o OSM sendo um mapa colaborativo, pode ser que alguém altere as rotas colocadas ali. mas não acredito que isso possa acontecer. no caso de não serem rotas oficiais, é importante salientar que todas as rotas são meramente informativas, assim como o google maps. Cada um fica responsável pela sua segurança e tem que ter noção de onde é possível pedalar de onde não é. eu estou começando nessa história de produzir mapas. Pelo que pesquisei, ao menos voltado para bicicleta, o que existe é o bikely e o Ride the City. Enviei um e-mail para o pessoal do Ride The City mas ainda náo obtive uma resposta. O último projeto deles foi de Santiago do Chile, pelo que sei, lá não existem cycling friendly streets oficiais, mas posso estar enganado. Vou entrar em contato com o pessoal do Chile para saber. abraços, Yuriê Em 16 de março de 2011 00:36, Arlindo Pereira openstreet...@arlindopereira.com escreveu: Olá Yuriê, acho muito bacana o que você quer fazer, mas acredito que o banco de dados do OSM não é o local mais indicado para as rotas. Explico: as informações no OSM são factuais e verificáveis (tipo a Wikipédia), não pode ser arbitrárias. O que quero dizer com isso é que as cycling friendly streets são cycling friendly streets _oficiais_ (com sinalização colocada pelo governo, como ocorre em alguns países), as rotas também são definidas por entidades etc. Em outras palavras, não são rotas criadas pelos usuários. Eu costumo criar algumas rotas no Bikely que, infelizmente, usa o mapa do Google Maps. Se você tiver alguma sugestão de serviço que utilize os mapas do OSM - tipo o Ride the City mas para qualquer cidade - agradeço. Em tempo, mapeei todos os 150km de ciclovias aqui do Rio, vale dar uma olhada ;) []s Arlindo Pereira 2011/3/15 Yuriê Baptista César yuriebc.coi...@gmail.com Leandro, valeu pelas informações. Desde que enviei o e-mail li quase tudo que tem na wiki sobre os mapas cicloviarios, mas uma coisa eu fiquei na dúvida. Em http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle#Cycle_tracks fala dos diversos tipo de vias para bicicletas, inclusive das ciclyng frendly streets, que são as ruas que não possuem ciclovia ou ciclofaixa mas são tranquilas para pedalar. Como no Brasil praticamente não temos ciclovias o que constará no mapa que quero fazer é basicamente definir as ciclyng frendly streets. mas ai que entra a dúvida, as tags referentes as ciclyng frendly streets, pelo meu entendimento, não identificam que ali é tranquilo para pedalar. os critérios definidos como largura da via, velocidade maxima e tipo de via não são fatores determinantes para que ao se traçar uma rota do ponto A ao ponto B aquela via seja privilegiada. Sei lá, acho que deveria ter uma tag referente a ciclyng frendly streets ou ao menos bicycle=yes. Não sei se colocar a tag bicycle=yes vai causar algum problema e nem se isso vai fazer com que a rota seja traçada por aquela via. Key Value Purpose *width http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:width =** width of road in metres Indicate a wide single lane road or a squeeze point *maxspeedhttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxspeed =** speed limit Roads with lower speed limits tend to be less crowded by cars. *source:maxspeedhttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source:maxspeed =** residential,urban,... On countryside streets tend to be less crowded from cars (at least for lanes=2) *laneshttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:lanes =** total number of lanes making up the way Single lane wide roads with low speed limits tend to be low-stress routes (but may increase stress for cyclists that want to cycle fast) o que você acha? ah. Algumas ruas não são totalmente ciclaveis, apenas um pedaço dela que é, desta forma, eu tenho que divir a rua em pedaços e identificar aquele que me interessa? E as calçadas, como traço rotas de pedestres e calçadas compartilhadas? abraço, Yuriê Em 9 de março de 2011 13:27, Leandro Motta Barros lmbar...@gmail.comescreveu: Oi Yuriê, Não sei se tenho como te ajudar muito, mas já que ninguém mais respondeu, aí vão alguns comentários. A ferramenta que eu uso para editar no OpenStreetMap é o JOSM (http://josm.openstreetmap.de). Eventualmente até uso o Potlach (editor direto na página web do OSM, em Flash), mas pessoalmente eu acho o JOSM muito melhor para qualquer edição não trivial. (Isso provavelmente
[Talk-is] Örnefni á hálendi Íslands
Ég sendi sem nýjan þráð til að halda þessari umræðu aðskyldri frá Garðarbæjarumræðunni Ef það sem á undan kom týnist við þetta þá er hér linkur í upprunalegu umræðunahttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-is/2011-March/000591.html Sæll Gummi og velkominn á póstlistann Varðandi það að nota samsýn og lmí grunnana til hliðsjónar langar mig að benda þér á að gögnin sem eru í OSM grunninum er dreyft undir Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/svo þú verður að fara varlega í að afrita gögn úr þessum grunnum. Við verðum að vera mjög varkár hvað höfundarrétt varðar og því er best að byggja sem mest á eiginn þekkingu og nota frjáls gögn til hliðsjónar. Svo langar mér að benda þér á umræðu sem fór fram hér á póstlistanum 2008http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-is/2008-December/53.html(ogframhald 2009http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-is/2009-January/77.html) þar sem verið var að ræða um innfluttning GNS gagnasetsins inn í OSM grunninn. GNS gagnasettið fyrir Ísland inniheldur örnefni m.a. nöfn fjalla og dala. Vandamálið við þessi gögn er að þau eru mjög ónákvæm í staðsetningu og hafa því ekki enn verið flutt inn. Það kom hinsvegar ýmislegt fram í þessari umræðu sem gæti nýst þér við að setja örnefni inn í gruninn t.d. að leggja hæðarlínur (sem eru reyndar einnig ónákvæmar) eða loftmyndir undir. Ef þig vantar aðstoð við þetta eða ert með frekari spurningar þá er sjálfsagt að hafa samband kv. Daníel G 2011/3/14 gummi Ingimarsson gudmunduringimars...@gmail.com Gaman að heyra það :) Ég er að setja inn fjallstinda á Reykjanesinu núna í kringum Keili og Kleifarvatn. Svo held ég bara áfram með fjöllin. Svona til að segja frá mér er ég fjallaleiðsögumaður hjá Ferðafélagi Íslands og Fjallafélaginu svo að fjöllin liggja mér nær og er ég að nota ýmsa grunna til að sækja þessar upplýsingar en þó aðallega kortin frá samsýn og lmi sem ég hef til hliðsjónar. Það er mjög gott að vita að það sé einhver vettvangur til að tala við aðra sem eru að setja landið inn og er orðið ótrúlega flott að sjá Reykjavíkursvæðið, þetta er að verða jafngott og samsýn götukortið. Hlakka til að vinna með ykkur í þessu. 2011/3/14 Morten Lange morten...@yahoo.com Sæll Gummi, Frábært að heyra ! Hef lengi saknað nöfn á fjöllunum í kringum höfuðborgarsvæðinu. Sumt er reyndar til í Geonames. Prófaðu til dæmis að leita að Esja í leitarboxinu til vinstri á openstreetmap.org. Svo fyndist mér mjög svalt ef nöfn og staðsetningu skiðaskála við Bláfjöll og Skálafell kæmu inn, bæði á Geonames og Openstreetmap :-) Þegar staður er kominn inn í Geonanmes, á að vera hægt að fá veðurspá fyrir þessum stað á www.yr.no En ég veit vel að þú hlýtur að hafa þína eigin forgangsröðun, og auðvitað er gott þegar gögnum er bætt er í Openstreetmap grunninn óháð hvar :-) -- Regards / Kvedja Morten Lange, Reykjavík *From:* gummi Ingimarsson gudmunduringimars...@gmail.com *To:* OpenStreetMap in Iceland talk-is@openstreetmap.org *Sent:* Sun, 13 March, 2011 22:37:15 *Subject:* Re: [Talk-is] Garðabær Sælir Guðmundur heiti ég og er nýr á þessum póstlista. Ég er að byrja á að þykkja hálendið m.t.t fjalla og annara örnefna á hálendi, jöklum, ferðamannastöðum og fleira. Er eitthvað sem þið viljið segja mér frá sem er á döfinni og ég gæti máski aðstoðað við? Guðmundur Sveinbjörn Ingimarsson. 2011/3/13 Morten Lange morten...@yahoo.com Flott, Svavar ! Pínu erfitt með að muna hvernig þetta var, en með því að opna til dæmis þessu setti: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/7510701 og skoða með Opera, þar sem ég var með einn follower gluggi, þá var auðvelt að byrja að átta sér á hversu griðasrlegt magn af punktum og stígum þú hefur bætt við. Takk kærlega ! -- Regards / Kvedja Morten Lange, Reykjavík - Original Message From: Svavar Kjarrval sva...@kjarrval.is To: OpenStreetMap in Iceland talk-is@openstreetmap.org Sent: Sat, 12 March, 2011 1:01:35 Subject: [Talk-is] Garðabær Hæ póstlisti. Hvernig líst ykkur á Garðabæ núna? Fyrir lata og óstaðkunnuga: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=64.09099lon=-21.9162zoom=15layers=M Með kveðju, Svavar Kjarrval ___ Talk-is mailing list Talk-is@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-is ___ Talk-is mailing list Talk-is@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-is ___ Talk-is mailing list Talk-is@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-is ___ Talk-is mailing list Talk-is@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-is ___ Talk-is mailing list Talk-is@openstreetmap.org
Re: [Talk-is] Að flytja inn GNS gögnin á einfaldan hátt
Mér finnst það vera ágætis hugmynd. Þessi aðferð reyndist a.m.k. vel fyrir OurFootprints gögnin ___ Talk-is mailing list Talk-is@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-is
Re: [Talk-is] Að flytja inn GNS gögnin á einfaldan hátt
Þá megið þið fræða mig um eitt: hvaða prógram notið þið til að vinna með GNS gögnin? Nota Bene ég er linux notandi. Gummi 2011/3/15 Daníel Gunnarsson danielgunn...@gmail.com Mér finnst það vera ágætis hugmynd. Þessi aðferð reyndist a.m.k. vel fyrir OurFootprints gögnin ___ Talk-is mailing list Talk-is@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-is ___ Talk-is mailing list Talk-is@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-is
[Talk-is] Hjólavefsjáin
Sælt fólk! Nú eru liðnir 12 dagar síðan ég sendi inn fyrstu breytinguna út frá stígagögnunum í Garðabæ en þær breytingar hafa samt ekki ratað inn í hjólavefsjána. Það sama gildir um þau hverfi í Reykjavík með yfirfarna LUKR stíga. Er eitthvað (ekki) að gerast sem við ættum að vita af? Forsendan fyrir því að við fengum LUKR gögnin ókeypis var einmitt sú að stígarnir ættu að birtast á ridethecity.com. Því er það mikilvægt fyrir okkur að vita hvað veldur þessum skorti á uppfærslum. Með kveðju, Svavar Kjarrval ___ Talk-is mailing list Talk-is@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-is
[Talk-de] Bing post-desaster Bilder von Japan verfügbar
Hallo, es gibt jetzt in JOSM Bing-Bilder, z.B. hier http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.42171lon=141.35352zoom=15layers=M und östlich Sendai, http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.42171lon=141.35352zoom=15layers=M Die dürften aktell eingespielt werden, je nach zoomen kommen die früheren pre- und jetzt post-desaster Bilder. Viele Grüße Dietmar ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] bing_versatz
Hallo, hier http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=30.99507lon=61.48552zoom=15layers=M grenzen Bing-Luftbilder mit unterschiedlichem Versatz aneinander. Es gibt dort keine gpx-Spuren herunterzuladen. Weiß jemand, welches Bing-Bild richtig ist? Danke und Gruß, Anselm ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] bing_versatz
Am 15.03.2011 09:50, schrieb a_beste: Hallo, hier http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=30.99507lon=61.48552zoom=15layers=M grenzen Bing-Luftbilder mit unterschiedlichem Versatz aneinander. Es gibt dort keine gpx-Spuren herunterzuladen. Weiß jemand, welches Bing-Bild richtig ist? *Nachschauen* könntest du ja bei Google (solche Fehler gibts übrigens auchhier im Land) Grüße aus der Eifel Steffen ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] bing_versatz
Am 15. März 2011 10:28 schrieb Steffen Heinz eifelhu...@gmx.de: *Nachschauen* könntest du ja bei Google (solche Fehler gibts übrigens auchhier im Land) wobei Google zum Teil grottenschlecht referenziert ist, und in der Hybridansicht zwischen ihrer eigenen Karte und dem Luftbild ein signifikanter Versatz geradezu ins Auge springt. Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Bahnhöfe von U-Bahnen und Zügen
Wir mappen Bahnhöfe von U-Bahnen und die von Zügen zunächst gleich (railway=station), die Unterscheidung ob es sich um eine S-Bahn, einen Zug oder eine U-Bahn handelt findet beim Gleis statt. In der Auswertung schafft das ein paar Probleme, die nicht sehr groß sind, solange das railway=station auf einem Node liegt, der Teil des Gleises ist. Wenn nun aber auch U- und S-Bahnhöfe als Flächen gemappt sind, und auf dem Gleis nur noch ein railway=stop, dann finde ich es nicht mehr ganz trivial, ein sauberes Rendering hinzubekommen, schwierig wird es vor allem dann, wenn die U-Bahn (oder S-Bahn) und die Züge räumlich übereinander (also koordinatenmäßig an derselben Stelle) verkehren. Aus Datensicht ist es ja prinzipiell nicht schlecht, wenn die Bahnhöfe als Flächen gemappt sind, weil man die Ausmaße dann klar in der Karte hat. Hat jemand sich hier schonmal Gedanken gemacht, wie man das (Unterscheidung der Bahnhofstypen) am Besten angehen könnte? Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Taggen von übereinanderliegenden Ways
Hallo, Am 13.03.11 schrieb Holger Schr@der: Ich finde, dass das verwirrend +1 und ein unüblichen Taggen ist. 2.Ist das bearbeiten schwierig. Im Potlatch habe ich auf den ersten Blick keine Möglichkeit gefunden an den unteren Way zu gelangen. Man kann wiederholt einen gemeinsamen Knoten markieren und / drücken, das wählt jedesmal einen anderen Weg aus. Gruß, Fabian.___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Zu viel '...more OSM coming soon'
Hi Seit gefühlt etwas über einer Woche hab' ich rund bis 1/3tel der Kacheln mit '...more OSM coming soon' im Browser. Nur bei Mapnik (nicht de). Mapnik-de ist nicht rasend schnell, osma geht. Ist das im Moment üblich? Oder meint da irgendwas ich würde zuviele Tiles holen?(Nein, ich browse nur und das nur wenig) Oder was an meinem Netz defekt? So kann man eigentlich keine Karte ins Netz stellen, Besucher würden das wohl als arg laienhaft ansehen - gegenüber dem großen G. Irgendwie bischen ein Showstopper für osm. Peter ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Zu viel '...more OSM coming soon'
Zitat Peter: Hi Seit gefühlt etwas über einer Woche hab' ich rund bis 1/3tel der Kacheln mit '...more OSM coming soon' im Browser. Nur bei Mapnik (nicht de). Mapnik-de ist nicht rasend schnell, osma geht. Ist das im Moment üblich? Oder meint da irgendwas ich würde zuviele Tiles holen?(Nein, ich browse nur und das nur wenig) Oder was an meinem Netz defekt? So kann man eigentlich keine Karte ins Netz stellen, Besucher würden das wohl als arg laienhaft ansehen - gegenüber dem großen G. Irgendwie bischen ein Showstopper für osm. Angaben zum verwendeten Browser waeren hilfreich. Aber Moment, ich schau mal in die Glaskugel... Sieht aus wie Firefox... Die Spur fuehrt zu den Einstellungen, Inhalt, Grafiken laden, Aussnahmen, c.tile.openstreetmap.org, Wesite entfernen -- Michael ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Zu viel '...more OSM coming soon'
Am 15.03.2011 15:27, schrieb Michael Buege: Zitat Peter: Hi Seit gefühlt etwas über einer Woche hab' ich rund bis 1/3tel der Kacheln mit '...more OSM coming soon' im Browser. Nur bei Mapnik (nicht de). Mapnik-de ist nicht rasend schnell, osma geht. Ist das im Moment üblich? Oder meint da irgendwas ich würde zuviele Tiles holen?(Nein, ich browse nur und das nur wenig) Oder was an meinem Netz defekt? So kann man eigentlich keine Karte ins Netz stellen, Besucher würden das wohl als arg laienhaft ansehen - gegenüber dem großen G. Irgendwie bischen ein Showstopper für osm. Angaben zum verwendeten Browser waeren hilfreich. Öhem, ich dachte es hängt sonstwo. Aber Moment, ich schau mal in die Glaskugel... Sieht aus wie Firefox... Die Spur fuehrt zu den Einstellungen, Inhalt, Grafiken laden, Aussnahmen, c.tile.openstreetmap.org, Wesite entfernen es war b Wie kommt das dahin? *rotwerd* war ich das? Danke. Ich fauler Sack hätte ja mal einen anderen Rechner probieren können, oder anderen Browser. Peter ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Zu viel '...more OSM coming soon'
Michael Buege wrote: Angaben zum verwendeten Browser waeren hilfreich. Aber Moment, ich schau mal in die Glaskugel... Sieht aus wie Firefox... Der Eintrag im Kontext Menü zum Blocken wurde in Firefox4 entfernt . Ich hatte OSM dort als Beispiel angegeben das es zu oft aus versehen passiert und die USer es nicht bemerken trotz der Infobar die davor warnt. Matthias ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Zu viel '...more OSM coming soon'
Am 15.03.2011 16:53, schrieb Matthias Versen: Michael Buege wrote: Angaben zum verwendeten Browser waeren hilfreich. Aber Moment, ich schau mal in die Glaskugel... Sieht aus wie Firefox... Der Eintrag im Kontext Menü zum Blocken wurde in Firefox4 entfernt . Ich hatte OSM dort als Beispiel angegeben das es zu oft aus versehen passiert und die USer es nicht bemerken trotz der Infobar die davor warnt. Ahhja. Bin ich doch nicht blöd. Der Eintrag liegt ärgerlich nahe an 'Image info'. Die Infobar oben kommt ja auch nur wenn man es einstellt. Da würde ich zwar sagen 'Das kann man nicht übersehen', aber anscheinend doch:-) Zu FF: Ansich wäre eine Meldung im statusbar o.ä. gut die einem zeigt wenn irgendwas das die Seite betrifft anders eingestellt ist als 'üblicherweise'. Naja. Peter ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Bahnhöfe von U-Bahnen und Zügen
M∡rtin Koppenhoefer schrieb: Wir mappen Bahnhöfe von U-Bahnen und die von Zügen zunächst gleich (railway=station), die Unterscheidung ob es sich um eine S-Bahn, einen Zug oder eine U-Bahn handelt findet beim Gleis statt. In der Auswertung schafft das ein paar Probleme, die nicht sehr groß sind, solange das railway=station auf einem Node liegt, der Teil des Gleises ist. Wenn nun aber auch U- und S-Bahnhöfe als Flächen gemappt sind, und auf dem Gleis nur noch ein railway=stop, dann finde ich es nicht mehr ganz trivial, ein sauberes Rendering hinzubekommen, schwierig wird es vor allem dann, wenn die U-Bahn (oder S-Bahn) und die Züge räumlich übereinander (also koordinatenmäßig an derselben Stelle) verkehren. Aus Datensicht ist es ja prinzipiell nicht schlecht, wenn die Bahnhöfe als Flächen gemappt sind, weil man die Ausmaße dann klar in der Karte hat. Hat jemand sich hier schonmal Gedanken gemacht, wie man das (Unterscheidung der Bahnhofstypen) am Besten angehen könnte? Irgendwie seh ich das Problem nicht: Wenn US-Bahn an der selben Stelle in verschiedenen Ebenen halten, hat die Station ziemlich sicher bei beiden den gleichen Namen. Also reicht ein node xyz Hauptbahnhof zur Namenskennzeichnung aus. Bei allen übrigen U-Bahn-Stationen sieht man an der angrenzenden Linienfarbe, ob eine U/S/Regionalbahn hier langfährt. Mal abgesehen davon, dass in DE die Definition von US ziemlich schwammig ist: Was in Berlin als Stadtbahn gilt, ist an Rhein und Ruhr eine S-Bahn, während die U-Bahn hier Stadtbahn heißt. In Frankfurt fahren beide durch den gleichen Tunnel; und in Karlsruhe mutiert die Straßenbahn zur S-Bahn im Hinterland. Da wundert es dann nicht, dass light_rail in den meisten Fällen nicht dem entspricht, was die Engländer damit meinen. Das railway=station setze ich als Knoten in der Regel mittig in das Empfangsgebäude, sofern dieses noch aktiv als solches genutzt wird. Sonst an eines der Gleise, während die anderen nur public_transport=stop_position bekommen. -- Gruß, André Joost ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Bahnhöfe von U-Bahnen und Zügen
Am 15. März 2011 19:44 schrieb Andre Joost andre+jo...@nurfuerspam.de: M∡rtin Koppenhoefer schrieb: Irgendwie seh ich das Problem nicht: Wenn US-Bahn an der selben Stelle in verschiedenen Ebenen halten, hat die Station ziemlich sicher bei beiden den gleichen Namen. Also reicht ein node xyz Hauptbahnhof zur Namenskennzeichnung aus. ja, _ich_ sehe das auch problemlos, mir gings darum, für U-Bahnhöfe ein anderes Icon zu rendern. Habe das mittlerweile hinbekommen in SQL. Scheint zu funktionieren, ob es optimal ist, weiss ich nicht ;-) Mal abgesehen davon, dass in DE die Definition von US ziemlich schwammig ist: Was in Berlin als Stadtbahn gilt, ist an Rhein und Ruhr eine S-Bahn, während die U-Bahn hier Stadtbahn heißt. U-Bahn ist glaube ich eindeutig definiert. In Berlin heisst soweit ich weiss nur die zentrale S- und Zug-trasse zwischen Ostkreuz und Westkreuz Stadtbahn, aber das ist in der Tat kein eindeutiger Begriff. Das railway=station setze ich als Knoten in der Regel mittig in das Empfangsgebäude, sofern dieses noch aktiv als solches genutzt wird. hier hat sich mittlerweile durchgesetzt (scheint es), den kompletten Bahnhofsbereich einschl. Gleisanlagen damit zu taggen. Finde ich auch keine schlechte Lösung. Der einzelne Knoten sagt räumlich halt sehr wenig. Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Aktion 15 - Japans Nordosten
Hi, habe eben die ersten Checks für Japan hochgeladen. Es gab eine Anfrage (allgemein) auf der talk-Liste. Habe dort auch geantwortet und die Aktion bekannt gemacht. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Aktionen/Aktion_15 Viele Berichte rechnen noch - Updates kommen! Ciao Gerhard ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Datenmüll von Opengeodb
Reicht nicht im Grunde ein Schlüssel (z.B. openGeoDB:loc_id oder Ja, der reicht m.E. Vgl. Störende OpenGeoDB-Daten vom 3. Feb. 2011. LG, S. Am 14. März 2011 20:24 schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: Mir ist gerade aufgefallen (als selten in D. editierender), dass teilweise erhebliche Altlasten mitrumgeschleppt werden. Z.B. hier: openGeoDB:auto_update = place,name,is_in openGeoDB:community_identification_number = 08416041 openGeoDB:is_in = Tübingen,Tübingen,Baden-Württemberg,Bundesrepublik Deutschland,Europe openGeoDB:is_in_loc_id = 385 openGeoDB:layer = 6 openGeoDB:license_plate_code = TÜ openGeoDB:loc_id = 25131 openGeoDB:location = political_structure openGeoDB:name = Tübingen openGeoDB:postal_codes = 72070,72072,72074,72076 openGeoDB:sort_name = TUEBINGEN openGeoDB:telephone_area_code = 07071 openGeoDB:type = Universitätsstadt openGeoDB:version = 0.2.6.11 / 2007-12-04 / http://fa-technik.adfc.de/code/opengeodb/dump/ Da ich die Einwohnerzahl anhand aktueller Daten aktualisiert habe, habe ich das mal aus openGeoDB:auto_update rausgenommen. Ganz klar ist mir das allerdings nicht: soll nach OpenGeodb oder von Opengeodb importiert werden? Augenscheinlich findet diese Datenübergabe/ -nahme bisher nicht statt (und ist auch seitens OSM AFAIK nicht gewollt). Reicht nicht im Grunde ein Schlüssel (z.B. openGeoDB:loc_id oder openGeoDB:community_identification_number) aus, um die Zuordnung herzustellen? Ich finde diese endlose Duplizierung von ableitbaren Werten, oder gar so was wie openGeoDB:is_in oder openGeoDB:sort_name oder auch sonst praktisch alle dieser tags ziemlich überflüssig. 2007 sah die Lage sicher noch anders aus, aber mittlerweile kann man das Zeugs doch rausschmeissen (und z.B. _einen_ Tag, der den Bezug herstellt belassen), oder nicht? Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Bahnhöfe von U-Bahnen und Zügen
Am 15.03.2011 19:44, schrieb Andre Joost: Mal abgesehen davon, dass in DE die Definition von US ziemlich schwammig ist: Nirgends auf der Welt sind S- und U-Bahn so klar voneinander getrennt als in DE, zumind. die *Infrastruktur*. Es gilt entweder die Eisenban-Bau- und -Betriebs-Ordnung EBO -- S-Bahn, sonstige Züge (rail) oder die Betriebsordnung Straßenbahn BOStrab -- U-Bahn (subway), Stadtbahn (light_rail), Straßenbahn (tram) *innerhalb* der letzteren ist es etwas schwammiger, weil es Städte gibt, die ihre Stadtbahn als U-Bahn aufwerten, obwohl nur München, Nürnberg, Hamburg und berlin in DE echte U-Bahnen haben (überall vom Straßenverkehr getrennt, ok, Wuppertal noch ;-) ) und weil die Übergänge Straßenbahn/Stadtbahn fließend sind. Bei den Fahrzeugen gibt es in der Tat Orte, wo diese die BOStrab-/EBO-Grenze überwinden. Manchmal unauffällig (Köln/Bonn ist tw. nach EBO konzessioniert, wie auch die OEG und RHB in MA/HD/LU), manchmal auffällig wie in Karlsruhe, wo Straßenbahnen zwischen richtigen Eisenbahnen herumfahren ;-) Aber da wir die geostationäre Infrastruktur mappen und nicht den mobilen Fahrzeugen hinterherhecheln, ist das ja kein Problem ;-) Gruß Mueck ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Taggen von übereinanderliegenden Ways
Am 13.03.2011 14:54, schrieb Holger Schr@der: ... wurden die Nodes mit zwei doppelt übereinander liegenden Way getaggt. In dem einen Way befinden sich Informationen über Straßenbahn und Straßenbahnrelationen und in dem anderen Way steht die Straßenklassifizierung. Ich finde, dass das verwirrend und ein unüblichen Taggen ist. Ich finde es richtig, zwei verschiedene Objekte durch zwei Ways abzubilden. Anderenfalls hat man keine eindeutige Zuordnung, sobald ein beschreibendes Attribut (name, maxspeed, oneway, bicycle, source, width, ...) hinzukommt. Ich lege regelmäßig zwei Linien partiell übereinander (coastline-beach, boundary-forest-ditch, landuse-fence, ...). Nur in wenigen Fällen wird ein Way auf ganzer Länge von anderen Ways überlagert. Bei vielen gemeinsamen Punkten (etwa 20) kann es effektiv sein, alle beteiligten Objekte in Relationen umzuwandeln und den gemeinsamen Abschnitt als einen Way in alle Relationen aufzunehmen. 1.Es ist nicht auf dem ersten Blick zu erkennen das bei dem Straßenverlauf zwei Way übereinander liegen. Dann sollte de Editor es besser darstellen. 2.Ist das bearbeiten schwierig. Im Potlatch habe ich auf den ersten Blick keine Möglichkeit gefunden an den unteren Way zu gelangen. Als Notlösung kann man mit Shift-Click einen neuen Knoten erzeugen, diesen mit - aus einem Way löschen, beide Wege getrennt bearbeiten und dann den neuen Knoten wieder löschen. In JOSM geht es zwar, viele kennen aber die Funktion nicht und sie funktioniert (bei mir) auch nicht immer auf anhieb. Welche Methode scheitert manchmal? Bei mir funktioniert Alt-Click oder zweimal mittlere Maustaste oder mittlere Maustaste plus Scrollrad oder mittlere Maustaste-Ctrl-Click. 3.Im JOSM Validator wird dieser Abschnitt der Bahnhofstraße angemeckert. Nicht jede Validatorwarnung ist ein Fehler. Viele Grüße, Stephan ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Abgrenzung Rail - tram
Moin, in Hafengebieten oder Industiegeländen sind Normalspurgleise manchmal in befahrbare Flächen eingebettet. Ein Mapper bezeichnet diese Gleise konsequent als railway=tram (z.B. [1]). Nach meinem Verständnis wäre dafür railway=rail richtig. Ich würde umgekehrt auch Straßenbahngleise, die ein Stück außerhalb der Straßenfläche verlaufen, als tram eingeben. Wenn ein Gleis kein Hindernis ist, sondern in einer befestigten Fläche liegt, sollte man dies besser als Zusatztag anfügen. Allerdings fällt mir kein treffender Begriff ein. Was meint ihr? Viele Grüße, Stephan [1] http://osm.org/go/0Hsb_B8RH- ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Abgrenzung Rail - tram
in Hafengebieten oder Industiegeländen sind Normalspurgleise manchmal in befahrbare Flächen eingebettet. Ein Mapper bezeichnet diese Gleise konsequent als railway=tram (z.B. [1]). Nach meinem Verständnis wäre dafür railway=rail richtig. Da kann ich Dir nur zustimmen. Wir haben zum Beispiel in Dublin Hafengleise (siehe http://osm.org/go/es@WCOqfv-- ). Diese sind nicht nur Normalspur sondern irische Normalspur, also 1,6 Meter Gleisabstand. Das hat mit Straßenbahnen echt nix zu tun. Ich würde umgekehrt auch Straßenbahngleise, die ein Stück außerhalb der Straßenfläche verlaufen, als tram eingeben. Auch hier, volle Zustimmung. Gerade bei Stadtbahnen, also dieser Evolutionsstufe zwischen Straßen- und U-Bahn, verlaufen manche Streckenabschnitte in der Fahrbahn, andere auf separatem Gleiskörper. Es handelt sich aber um dieselbe Strecke und ich sehe keinerlei Grund, plötzlich von tram auf rail zu wechseln. Gruß, - Bartosz ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-it] Cavallino-Treporti, zone scomparse
Il 15/03/2011 00:55, Luca Dorigo ha scritto: Mi sono ora accorto che nella laguna veneta sono sparite alcune zone: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.4822lon=12.5064zoom=13layers=M Mentre per Treporti c' la coastline ed solo problema di rendering... Lio Piccolo e Mesole: sono rimaste solo delle strade nell'acqua. L. Ciao a tutti, colpa mia. Ho scritto ieri sera nella lista veneta (anche se non l'ho ricevuto). faccio prima ad allegarvi pari pari quello il messaggio: Messaggio originale Oggetto: Aiuto!! Data: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 23:48:39 +0100 Mittente: G Zamboni gd.zamb...@tiscali.it Rispondi-a: gd.zamb...@tiscali.it A: osmven...@liste.remixtj.net Ciao a tutti, ho iniziato recentemente a mettere mano alla Laguna nella parte est, iniziando a ritracciare la coastline, aggiungere dei landuse e inserire i tag delle barene. Ora per sono "scomparse" da Mapnik due delle tre isole vicino alla penisola di Treporti [1] I tag sono gli stessi e il senso delle coastline antiorario come giusto che sia, ma una delle isole viene visualizzata, mentre le altre due no Cosa sto sbagliando? Potrebbe essere un errore di rendering visto che Osmarender le visualizza correttamente? Conviene che chiedo in lista nazionale? Prima di proseguire col resto devo e voglio che siano nuovamente a posto. Ciao Giuliano [1] http://osm.org/go/0IDm4vNC-- [2] http://osm.org/go/0IDm7H2Z--?layers=O ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Cavallino-Treporti, zone scomparse
Ciao, la coastline viene presa in esame per il rendering meno spesso delle altre features. Anche io qualche volta ho editato sulla coastline, con l'effetto di ritrovarmi strade o spiagge in mezzo all'acqua. Poi dopo qualche tempo (da alcuni giorni ad alcune settimane) il problema si risolveva da solo. Info: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Coastline#Coastline_rendering Ciao /niubii/ Il giorno 15 marzo 2011 07:45, G Zamboni gd.zamb...@tiscali.it ha scritto: Il 15/03/2011 00:55, Luca Dorigo ha scritto: Mi sono ora accorto che nella laguna veneta sono sparite alcune zone: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.4822lon=12.5064zoom=13layers=M Mentre per Treporti c'è la coastline ed è solo problema di rendering... Lio Piccolo e Mesole: sono rimaste solo delle strade nell'acqua. L. Ciao a tutti, è colpa mia. Ho scritto ieri sera nella lista veneta (anche se non l'ho ricevuto). faccio prima ad allegarvi pari pari quello il messaggio: Messaggio originale Oggetto: Aiuto!! Data: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 23:48:39 +0100 Mittente: G Zamboni gd.zamb...@tiscali.itgd.zamb...@tiscali.it Rispondi-a: gd.zamb...@tiscali.it A: osmven...@liste.remixtj.net Ciao a tutti, ho iniziato recentemente a mettere mano alla Laguna nella parte est, iniziando a ritracciare la coastline, aggiungere dei landuse e inserire i tag delle barene. Ora però sono scomparse da Mapnik due delle tre isole vicino alla penisola di Treporti [1] I tag sono gli stessi e il senso delle coastline è antiorario come è giusto che sia, ma una delle isole viene visualizzata, mentre le altre due no Cosa sto sbagliando? Potrebbe essere un errore di rendering visto che Osmarender le visualizza correttamente? Conviene che chiedo in lista nazionale? Prima di proseguire col resto devo e voglio che siano nuovamente a posto. Ciao Giuliano [1] http://osm.org/go/0IDm4vNC-- [2] http://osm.org/go/0IDm7H2Z--?layers=O ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Cavallino-Treporti, zone scomparse
Ciao a tutti, è colpa mia. Ho scritto ieri sera nella lista veneta (anche se non l'ho ricevuto). faccio prima ad allegarvi pari pari quello il messaggio: WOW! non sapevo dell' esistenza della ML veneta. Giusto per curiosita': quanti siete? Come ci si iscrive? Io sono trentino ... ma la cosa mi interessa per una analisi che sto facendo sulla comunita' italiana ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] R: Re: Cavallino-Treporti, zone scomparse
Meglio cosi', e' da più' di una settimana che 'sta storia mi fa sudare freddo... Ciao Giuliano Le mail ti raggiungono ovunque con BlackBerry® from Vodafone! -Original Message- From: niubii f.pelu...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 08:30:37 To: gd.zamb...@tiscali.it; openstreetmap list - italianotalk-it@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-it] Cavallino-Treporti, zone scomparse Ciao, la coastline viene presa in esame per il rendering meno spesso delle altre features. Anche io qualche volta ho editato sulla coastline, con l'effetto di ritrovarmi strade o spiagge in mezzo all'acqua. Poi dopo qualche tempo (da alcuni giorni ad alcune settimane) il problema si risolveva da solo. Info: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Coastline#Coastline_rendering Ciao /niubii/ Il giorno 15 marzo 2011 07:45, G Zamboni gd.zamb...@tiscali.it ha scritto: Il 15/03/2011 00:55, Luca Dorigo ha scritto: Mi sono ora accorto che nella laguna veneta sono sparite alcune zone: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.4822lon=12.5064zoom=13layers=M Mentre per Treporti c'è la coastline ed è solo problema di rendering... Lio Piccolo e Mesole: sono rimaste solo delle strade nell'acqua. L. Ciao a tutti, è colpa mia. Ho scritto ieri sera nella lista veneta (anche se non l'ho ricevuto). faccio prima ad allegarvi pari pari quello il messaggio: Messaggio originale Oggetto: Aiuto!! Data: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 23:48:39 +0100 Mittente: G Zamboni gd.zamb...@tiscali.itgd.zamb...@tiscali.it Rispondi-a: gd.zamb...@tiscali.it A: osmven...@liste.remixtj.net Ciao a tutti, ho iniziato recentemente a mettere mano alla Laguna nella parte est, iniziando a ritracciare la coastline, aggiungere dei landuse e inserire i tag delle barene. Ora però sono scomparse da Mapnik due delle tre isole vicino alla penisola di Treporti [1] I tag sono gli stessi e il senso delle coastline è antiorario come è giusto che sia, ma una delle isole viene visualizzata, mentre le altre due no Cosa sto sbagliando? Potrebbe essere un errore di rendering visto che Osmarender le visualizza correttamente? Conviene che chiedo in lista nazionale? Prima di proseguire col resto devo e voglio che siano nuovamente a posto. Ciao Giuliano [1] http://osm.org/go/0IDm4vNC-- [2] http://osm.org/go/0IDm7H2Z--?layers=O ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Cavallino-Treporti, zone scomparse
Il giorno mar, 15/03/2011 alle 08.58 +0100, Maurizio Napolitano ha scritto: WOW! non sapevo dell' esistenza della ML veneta. Giusto per curiosita': quanti siete? Come ci si iscrive? Io sono trentino ... ma la cosa mi interessa per una analisi che sto facendo sulla comunita' italiana Interessa anche a me: vivendo a Ferrara sono molto vicino alle zone al confine col Po, che peraltro abbisognano di un bel po' di lavoro per la mappatura. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] geometria invalida in Italia
Ciao a tutti, sto imparando ad usare il Postgis in questi giorni ed ho trovato alcune geometrie invalide nell'Italia (e anche fuori). Se qualcuno di voi ha noia, potrebbe essere un idea di corregere alcuni oggetti. Ho fatto dei files osm che contengono 21 ways ciascuno (quindi non dura molto riparare le situazioni, anche se nelle vicinanze dei oggetti si trovano spesso altri errori). I files si trovano qui: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Dieterdreist/bugs non tutti files contengono errori. Per visualizzare i files in JOSM occore aprirle e selezionare update data dal menu file (ctrl+u) ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Cavallino-Treporti, zone scomparse
Il 15/03/2011 15:06, Stefano Droghetti ha scritto: Il giorno mar, 15/03/2011 alle 08.58 +0100, Maurizio Napolitano ha scritto: WOW! non sapevo dell' esistenza della ML veneta. Giusto per curiosita': quanti siete? Come ci si iscrive? Io sono trentino ... ma la cosa mi interessa per una analisi che sto facendo sulla comunita' italiana Interessa anche a me: vivendo a Ferrara sono molto vicino alle zone al confine col Po, che peraltro abbisognano di un bel po' di lavoro per la mappatura. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it In lista ci si iscrive qua [1], ma non saprei dirti quanti sono gli iscritti. Luca Lorenzetto [2] gestisce la ML e te lo sapr dire con precisione. A dire il vero siamo pi attivi sulla mappa che sulla ML :-) Comunque qua c' la storia dei thread [3] Qua [4] c'era la pagina della comunit, ma non so che fine abbia fatto !?! Ciao Giuliano [1] http://liste.remixtj.net/listinfo/osmveneto [2] osmveneto-ow...@liste.remixtj.net [3] http://liste.remixtj.net/pipermail/osmveneto/ [4] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Veneto_Community ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Cavallino-Treporti, zone scomparse
Il 15/03/2011 19:26, G Zamboni ha scritto: Qua [4] c'era la pagina della comunità, ma non so che fine abbia fatto !?! Ciao Giuliano [4] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Veneto_Community è stata spostata (qua [1]) come tutte le altre pagine del progetto veneto ciao Paolo [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Veneto/Comunità ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Problemino di log con 747 a+
Salve a tutti, ho un malfunzionamento con il mio 747 a+, non tanto come antenna gps, bensì nel logging. Ogni tanto mi fa scherzetti tipo questo (riporto la shell, spero non ci siano problemi di caporiga): mtkbabel -s 115200 -p /dev/ttyACM0 -l off -f /percorsomiodisco/VI20110311 -w -t Packet checksum error: expected 0x4C, computed 0x55 MTK Test OK MTK Firmware: Version: 1, Release: AXN_1.30-B_1.3_C01, Model ID: 0004 Switch recording to OFF Log format: (0003FFBF) UTC,VALID,LATITUDE,LONGITUDE,HEIGHT,SPEED,DSTA,DAGE,PDOP,HDOP,VDOP,NSAT,SID,ELEVATION,AZIMUTH,SNR,RCR Size in bytes of each log record: 48 + (10 * sats_in_view) Logging TIME interval: 1.00 s Logging DISTANCE interval: 0.00 m Logging SPEED limit: 0.00 km/h Recording method on memory full: (2) STOP Log status: (01010100) AUTOLOG_OFF,STOP_WHEN_FULL,ENABLE_LOG,NEED_FORMAT WARNING! Log status NEED_FORMAT, log data is not valid! Next write address: 481150 (0x0007577E) Number of records: 3248 Memory health status (failed sectors mask): Retrieving 524288 (0x0008) bytes of log data from device... WARNING: Sector header at offset 0x is non-written data Saved log data: 0.00% ERROR: Invalid datalog sector header mtkbabel -s 115200 -p /dev/ttyACM0 -E MTK Test OK MTK Firmware: Version: 1, Release: AXN_1.30-B_1.3_C01, Model ID: 0004 Erasing log memory... ERROR: Reading from device: Illegal seek at /usr/bin/mtkbabel line 610. Può essere un malfunzionamento di MTKbabel o è da imputare al dispositivo secondo voi? Preciso che: L'errore è saltuario, e non pregiudica il funzionamento come antenna gps; Con il vecchio 747 (non a+) non ci sono mai stati problemi; Il comando di cancellazione dà sempre l'errore riportato sopra, comunque la cancellazione di norma avviene lo stesso; L'ambiente è una (granitica) Debian Lenny. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-co] Participación en #Flisol Popayan
Si quieres saber del FLISoL Popayán, puedes leer: http://popayan.flisol.info 2011/3/14 Bennet Campoverde benets...@hotmail.com Bueno Freddy, es con mucho gusto. Disculpa mi ignorancia; pero de que se trata ese asunto de #Flisol Popayan?? Sigo con la duda. No sera' algo organizado por la sede del IGAC en Popayan? en fin... From: fredyriv...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:49:45 -0500 To: talk-co@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-co] Participación en #Flisol Popayan 2011/3/14 Bennet Campoverde benets...@hotmail.com: Hola Que es #Flisol Popayan? Y si van a estar en Popayan para esos dias de Flisol es el Festival latinoamericano de instalacion de software libre abril, hay que tener en cuenta que eso caeria en Semana Santa. Popayan en Semana Santa esta taquiado de gente y conseguir alojamiento es casi que imposible. Yo tengo familia alla' que tienen espacio para alojar una o dos personas...Avisenme y los conecto.supongo que todo lo de alojamiento lo cuadraron ya los organizadores, sin embargo gracias por el ofrecimiento. Saludos Bennet salu2 humano From: fredyriv...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 15:04:45 -0500 To: talk-co@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-co] Participación en #Flisol Popayan 2011/3/14 jimmy navia jimna...@hotmail.com: Hola Seria muy bueno, organizar un taller para las personas q estamos comenzando y no hemos tenido la oportunidad de conocer muy bn toda esta plataforma, ademas podriamos compartir ideas para desarrollar en esta parte del pais, me parece muy interesante, la pregunta es donde lo hariamos, en el mismo marco Supongo que estamos hablando de Cali? del Flisol y si es asi donde nos podemos inscribir, o si no como podemos organizar una reunion para los q esten interesados Se podría hacer el 10 en Cali, ustedes organizarían todo y cuadramos los detalles, pero eso si tendriamos que definirlo esta semana para mover mi pasajes. salu2 humano Jimmy Navia Observatorio Sismologico y Geofisico del Suroccidente Universidad del Valle From: fredyriv...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 14:13:26 -0500 To: talk-co@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-co] Participación en #Flisol Popayan Hola maperxs Para comentarles que he sido invitado a participar en el Flisol Popayan[0] el 8y 9 de abril, allí nos reuniremos con el nodo local, daré una charla y quizás un taller. Me gustaría demás tratar de apoyar algunos maperos o grupos por esa región, si alguien cree que hay posibilidades por favor comentar lo antes posible para cuadrar agenda e itinerario. quizás por Nariño o el Valle. salu2 humano [0] http://flisol.info/FLISOL2011/Colombia/Popayan?highlight=(\bCategoryCity\b) -- Por favor, no me envíe documentos con extensiones .doc, .docx, .xls, .xlsx, .ppt, .pptx, .mdb, mdbx OpenOffice es libre: se puede copiar, modificar y redistribuir libremente. Gratis y totalmente legal. http://GaleNUx.com es el sistema de información para la salud --///-- Teléfono USA: (347) 688-4473 (Google voice) skype: llamarafredyrivera ___ Talk-co mailing list Talk-co@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co ___ Talk-co mailing list Talk-co@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co -- Por favor, no me envíe documentos con extensiones .doc, .docx, .xls, .xlsx, .ppt, .pptx, .mdb, mdbx OpenOffice es libre: se puede copiar, modificar y redistribuir libremente. Gratis y totalmente legal. http://GaleNUx.com es el sistema de información para la salud --///-- Teléfono USA: (347) 688-4473 (Google voice) skype: llamarafredyrivera ___ Talk-co mailing list Talk-co@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co ___ Talk-co mailing list Talk-co@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co -- Por favor, no me envíe documentos con extensiones .doc, .docx, .xls, .xlsx, .ppt, .pptx, .mdb, mdbx OpenOffice es libre: se puede copiar, modificar y redistribuir libremente. Gratis y totalmente legal. http://GaleNUx.com es el sistema de información para la salud --///-- Teléfono USA: (347) 688-4473 (Google voice) skype: llamarafredyrivera ___ Talk-co
Re: [Talk-co] Participación en #Flisol Popayan
En Bogotá también se organiza el FLISOL: http://www.flisolbogota.info/ Saludos, -- Javier I. Pinzón P. La Fundación Azul El 15 de marzo de 2011 15:06, Edwin Caldon edy...@gmail.com escribió: Si quieres saber del FLISoL Popayán, puedes leer: http://popayan.flisol.info ___ Talk-co mailing list Talk-co@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co
[Talk-se] Hur visa presentationen på GIT 2011?
Hej! Ursäkta om detta är lite off-topic! Jag har bara Linux på mina datorer och har gjort en presentation inför GIT 2011 i OpenOffice. Nu är det så att Elmia inte kan hantera OOo-filer utan bara PowerPoint, så precis som rubriken på deras tekniksida(1) säger är alternativen Powerpoint eller gospelkör -inte OpenOffice! :-) ;-) Är det någon här som har erfarenhet av tala på såna här tillställningar och vet om detta är vanligt och vad som är mitt bästa alternativ: 1. Ta med egen dator och koppla mot projektorn 2. Installera OOo på USB-sticka och köra därifrån (t.ex. Portableapps.com) 3. Konvertera till PDF (kan man lita på att det blir bra?) 4. Konvertera till Pp hemma och ta med 5. Konvertera med Elmia-datorns Pp 6. Annat? Tack för hjälpen!! Och jo, jag ska försöka få Elmia att lägga in OOo, men de vet väl knappt hur man stavar det... :-( /Peter Kindström (1) http://www.elmia.se/sv/meetings/Konferens/Moten--Event/Teknik/ ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se
Re: [Talk-es] Importación Nomenclator
Hola a todos, aprovecho para presentarme. Trabajo en el IGN en el
servicio de Murcia y estoy metido en las listas haber si aprendo algo de
como se trabajo en este entorno OSM. De momento me parece muy interesante.
Respecto a avisar al IGN, ayer pude hablar con los encargados de
toponimia y con Antonio Rodriguez del CNIG. Ya están avisados y están
mirando haber como se podría encajar todo esto. De momento el concepto
desde el que se parte desde esta lista les ha parecido bien.
Si tengo noticias respecto a comunicaciones del grupo de toponimia las
pondré aquí, aunque quizás se pongan en contacto con Iván o alguno otro
directamente.
Un saludo!
Iván Sánchez Ortega escribió:
El día Monday 14 March 2011 09:06:36, Matías dijo:
Buenos días. Estupendo, ya ha entrado Iván, esto me va gustando.
Ojo, que esa frase sacada de contexto. :-P
Si hay gente que mueve hasta los vértices geodésicos. ¿Como le seguimos
la pista a movimientos de nodos si lo hace alguien que no ha leído esta
discusión?.
Con un watchdog, que esté siempre corriendo en algún servidor, que vaya
leyendo los planet diffs[1], filtre por una lista de IDs conocidos, o de
source= conocida, y que escupa la salida a algún sitio.
[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Planet.osm/diffs
Con algo de maña, igual se podría hacer con un osmosis bien configurado para
que él mismo haga la importación de los diffs y el filtrado[2].
[2]
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osmosis/Detailed_Usage#--tag-filter_.28--tf.29
Ponerse en contacto con IGN para comentarles el tema no creo que sea
complicado. ¿Les das un toque tu Iván o se lo doy yo?
Yo estoy liado con la ponencia de cartografía extrema para la semana que
viene. ¿Cuántos nos vemos en G{e|i}rona?
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[Talk-ee] suspicious roundabout-like ways added
i'm resending this message after subscribing to this list. in addition to the issues below i'd like to report my email being ignored by moderator ;) - hi there. having made a quick trip over estonia i collected some traces (obviously :) ). looking at them i discovered some strange features that are a bit suspect. would be nice for locals to verify them. 1. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/100339092/history a) it is overlapping 3 times; b) it is not connected to other ways; c) there are no uploaded traces to confirm existence of such a feature; d) my trace from yesterday and other uploaded traces seem to cross it in a straight line :) a such this is highly suspect :) 2. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/100350809/history a) overlaps the other street; b) one attached way not attached on the other end; c) no uploaded traces that confirm its existence also quite suspect (and i guess xybot already fixed it a bit). 3. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/26252364/history a) added area=yes to a non-area street; b) added lots of other, redundant tags. and possibly some incorrect ones as well. 4. i'd also suggest checking other edits in that changeset. all the features i've looked at look like crap data or subtle vandalising :/ although it probably should be kept in mind that they might be accidental mistakes, there are a bit too many of them for my taste ;) ps. i'm not subscribed to talk-ee, so you're welcome to cc me :) -- Rich ___ Talk-ee mailing list Talk-ee@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ee
Re: [Talk-ee] suspicious roundabout-like ways added
Hi Rich, i'm resending this message after subscribing to this list. in addition to the issues below i'd like to report my email being ignored by moderator ;) This is my mistake. The list bouncing list has tens of spam emails each week, yours is probably all times second or third one which was actually not spam. Therefore these get easily overlooked. I try to review bounce list once a week or two. 1. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/100339092/history a) it is overlapping 3 times; b) it is not connected to other ways; c) there are no uploaded traces to confirm existence of such a feature; d) my trace from yesterday and other uploaded traces seem to cross it in a straight line :) a such this is highly suspect :) This roundabout should be there. For Estonia we have permission from National Land Board (Maaamet) to use their WMS maps and detailed aerials. These should be listed in JOSM WMS/TMS plugins also. If not, then there are instructions in http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Et:Beginners_Guide_1.1.2 which has WMS URL. Their aerials can be several years old, and city streets are rebuilt each year, so cannot trust them really 100%. But in this case it seems that the info matches with aerials at least. Of course technically it must be connected to other ways. 2. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/100350809/history a) overlaps the other street; b) one attached way not attached on the other end; c) no uploaded traces that confirm its existence also quite suspect (and i guess xybot already fixed it a bit). I compared with aerial, and did not really match with it. But last time when I was driving somewhere around this area last summer I remember major constructions, so aerials are most probably outdated. Tags/node issues can be of course wrong just accidentally. 3. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/26252364/history a) added area=yes to a non-area street; b) added lots of other, redundant tags. and possibly some incorrect ones as well. You are correct, these seem to be technical errors. Feel free to fix them, and/or send PM to the editor. He/she seems to be quite new to OSM, so perhaps just accidents. If you use some template-based editor (potlatch2, josm) which has fields for all the parameters, then over-cautious editor may try to actually fill all of them. -- Jaak Laineste ___ Talk-ee mailing list Talk-ee@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ee
Re: [Talk-at] maxspeed, source:maxspeed etc.
On 2011-03-14 13:43, Robert Kaiser wrote: Die source:maxspeed sind nicht für irgendwelche Routing-Software usw. gedacht, sondern eher, damit Mapper wissen, woher die Beschränkung kommt. Im Jänner gab es ja bereits auf Talk-de eine heisse maxspeed-Diskussion und dort kam dann irgendwann genau das Argument (source:maxspeed ist hauptsächlich für die Mapper gedacht). Leider konnte mir keiner sagen, welche zusätzliche Informationen ich dadurch bekomme, die ich als Ortskundiger nicht sowieso habe. Wenn ich maxspeed tagge, muss ich zwangsläufig vor Ort sein und dann sehe ich sowieso, woher die Geschwindigkeitsbeschränkung kommt. Also bleiben nur ortsunkundige Mapper übrig und da frage ich mich, was es jemanden bringt zu wissen, ob an einem Ort maxspeed=50 aufgrund eines Schildes, einer Bodenmarkierung, der Ortsgeschwindigkeit oder der Tempozone gilt? Tschau, Andreas ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-ca] [OSGeo-Discuss] CommonMap in Canada
Hi Bob. Service node? Maybe I can explain it another way. Once I have Canada's implementation with enough momentum, I will be quite happy to add other countries to the map. Or from another perspective, I'm also quite happy to load share the underlying PostgreSQL database with another (independently-maintained) system node. Thanks, Brendan On 15/03/2011 12:43 AM, Bob Basques wrote: Brendan, Have you figured out how other entities (like countries or ??) might implement a similar service node that could interact with your framework design? bobb Brendan Morley morb@beagle.com.au wrote: Hi all, I just wanted to let you know that the CommonMap initiative is still alive, as am I. To recap, CommonMap will be a collaboration and repository of liberally-licensed geodata (without share-alike) - accessible though an OpenStreetMap-style interface. We will accept Creative Commons Attribution, CC0 and public domain geodata contributions, depending on your jurisdiction. We expect it will find fresh acceptance in the Gov 2.0 movement, since it allows governments to redistribute contributions from the community. We also are quite happy to accept OpenStreetMap contributors who find themselves dissatisfied with its default licence. We want to focus on a particular country at first, which is Canada. Why? * It has quite a comprehensive open data catalogue; * It appears to have a compatible licence; * It also has a rigorous foreign key model, which bodes well for roundtripping back to government; * It's the home of Refractions Research, the custodian of PostGIS which is a good friend of mine; * Finally, it helps that Sam Vekemans is our enthusiastic man on the ground over there. We want to get as much of Natural Resources Canada's GeoBase and Canvec publications into the CommonMap database as we can, and use Canada as a showcase country for what CommonMap can uniquely do. The proof of concept API instance is currently at http://api.development.i386.commonmap.org/ It is hosting an overlay of: * Natural Earth Data; * Some sample Geobase National Road Network, National Hydro Network and Land Cover datasets. (Hint: look up Victoria, British Columbia[1] for an example of all 3 datasets together.) Next comes the challenge of ramping up to a public launch. The core of CommonMap is a web-facing API and its one true database, a download site for XML full copies of that database, and a map tile server with its optimised database. To run this at public scale will demand about 8-10 CPU cores and associated storage, or about US $10,000 per year. Let's face it, we will require a higher rate of donations to do this. If you believe in the idea of CommonMap, a good way to show your support is to donate to CommonMap Inc. (CommonMap Inc is the non profit body that operates the CommonMap internet resources.) Potential donors, please head this way: http://www.commonmap.org/page/donate Even if you can't spare the cash, perhaps you can spare your skills or tools, whether they be in geodesy, obtaining or converting geodata imports, running up database or tile servers, or developing applications? Let us know. Please feel free to forward this news to whoever you wish. I welcome all comments: You can make further enquires by return email, the commonmap.org website, or CommonMap at LinkedIn, Facebook or Twitter. Sam Vekemans also has a group blog for CommonMap set up at Posterous. Thanks, Brendan [1] http://api.development.i386.commonmap.org/?lat=48.821lon=-123.574zoom=9layers=BFTF -- Brendan Morley President, CommonMap Inc. morb...@commonmap.info http://commonmap.org/ Queensland Incorporated Association 37762 Also find us on Facebook, Twitter and LinkedIn -- ___ Discuss mailing list disc...@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] OSM data growth in New Brunswick - Help.
Hello, I have been asked on short notice to give an OSM presentation to some government employees here in New Brunswick. I would like some data or graphics (or video) that shows the growth of OSM data in NB over the past 5 years. Can anybody help? My presentation is Thursday morning, March 17th. I am already aware of the 2008 video showing world wide OSM contributions and I'll use that if I can't get info specific for New Brunswick: http://vimeo.com/2598878 Thanks in advance, Bernie. -- Bernie Connors, P.Eng Manager - Spatial Data Infrastructure Land Information Secretariat Service New Brunswick Tel: 506-444-2077 Fax: 506-453-3898 45°56'25.21N, 66°38'53.65W bernie.conn...@snb.camailto:bernie.conn...@snb.ca www.snb.ca/geonb/http://www.snb.ca/geonb/ ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] OSM data growth in New Brunswick - Help.
Hi Bernie, You may want to check out the OSM Mapper service from the company ITO World: http://www.itoworld.com/static/osm_mapper.html One of the things you can do is to visualize data changes over time. I'm not sure if this can cover the entire province, or is limited to a lower level. HTH, Frank Quoting Connors, Bernie (SNB) bernie.conn...@snb.ca: Hello, I have been asked on short notice to give an OSM presentation to some government employees here in New Brunswick. I would like some data or graphics (or video) that shows the growth of OSM data in NB over the past 5 years. Can anybody help? My presentation is Thursday morning, March 17th. I am already aware of the 2008 video showing world wide OSM contributions and I'll use that if I can't get info specific for New Brunswick: http://vimeo.com/2598878 Thanks in advance, Bernie. -- Bernie Connors, P.Eng Manager - Spatial Data Infrastructure Land Information Secretariat Service New Brunswick Tel: 506-444-2077 Fax: 506-453-3898 45°56'25.21N, 66°38'53.65W bernie.conn...@snb.camailto:bernie.conn...@snb.ca www.snb.ca/geonb/http://www.snb.ca/geonb/ ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] OSM data growth in New Brunswick - Help.
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Connors, Bernie (SNB) bernie.conn...@snb.ca wrote: Hello, I have been asked on short notice to give an OSM presentation to some government employees here in New Brunswick. I would like some data or graphics (or video) that shows the growth of OSM data in NB over the past 5 years. Can anybody help? My presentation is Thursday morning, March 17th. I am already aware of the 2008 video showing world wide OSM contributions and I’ll use that if I can’t get info specific for New Brunswick: http://vimeo.com/2598878 Dear Bernie, What resolution do you need? For example, if you will be using a 1024x768 projector, no use in having an HD animation. Also, here is an animation of part of Ontario for OSM over time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJ40lOt8Txw Best regards, Richard ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] OSM data growth in New Brunswick - Help.
Richard, Thanks for the tip. I think Fredericton has been experiencing the most activity. Bernie. -- Bernie Connors, P.Eng Service New Brunswick (506) 444-2077 45°56'25.21N, 66°38'53.65W www.snb.ca/geonb/ -Original Message- From: Richard Weait [mailto:rich...@weait.com] Sent: Tuesday, 2011-03-15 13:16 To: Connors, Bernie (SNB) Cc: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] OSM data growth in New Brunswick - Help. On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Connors, Bernie (SNB) bernie.conn...@snb.ca wrote: I have been asked on short notice to give an OSM presentation to some government employees here in New Brunswick. I would like some data or graphics (or video) that shows the growth of OSM data in NB over the past 5 years. Also. An animation of all of NB is likely to be so large that only gross features appear in the animation. Fredericton, or another city might be more interesting. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] OSM data growth in New Brunswick - Help.
Richard, Yes the projector we have is 1024x768. Thanks for your help. -- Bernie Connors, P.Eng Service New Brunswick (506) 444-2077 45°56'25.21N, 66°38'53.65W www.snb.ca/geonb/ -Original Message- From: Richard Weait [mailto:rich...@weait.com] Sent: Tuesday, 2011-03-15 13:11 To: Connors, Bernie (SNB) Cc: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] OSM data growth in New Brunswick - Help. On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Connors, Bernie (SNB) bernie.conn...@snb.ca wrote: Hello, I have been asked on short notice to give an OSM presentation to some government employees here in New Brunswick. I would like some data or graphics (or video) that shows the growth of OSM data in NB over the past 5 years. Can anybody help? My presentation is Thursday morning, March 17th. I am already aware of the 2008 video showing world wide OSM contributions and I'll use that if I can't get info specific for New Brunswick: http://vimeo.com/2598878 Dear Bernie, What resolution do you need? For example, if you will be using a 1024x768 projector, no use in having an HD animation. Also, here is an animation of part of Ontario for OSM over time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJ40lOt8Txw Best regards, Richard ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-cz] dibavod: vodní toky uvnit? vodních ploch
Tenhle problém byl zanesen do renderování mapy na hlavní stránce OSM v http://trac.openstreetmap.org/changeset/24983/applications/rendering/mapnik/inc/layer-water.xml.inc Bohužel to bylo zaneseno do stylů tak nešťastně, že ten bílý obrys se renderuje všude, tj. i v rybnících a napojeních na řeky s vyznačeným břehem. Imho by měla v případě potoků zůstat vyznačena cesta i skrze rybníky (byť něpřesně), protože ten potok tamtudy skutečně protéká. Dnes to bylo opraveno, nově vyrenderované dlaždice se zobrazují bez potoků ve vodních plochách, a dokonce se u řek začaly zobrazovat názvy. AJ ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
[OSM-talk-fr] Comment fonctionnent les rendus de cartes
Bonjour à toutes et à tous, Je cherche un peu à comprendre comment fonctionnent les différents rendus de cartes (mapnikn osmarender, etc.) J'ai ajouté le nouveau bassin olympique d'aviron qui va être inauguré à Gravelines (59) à la fin du mois hier soir http://osm.org/go/0ELAC_F Quand je regarde sous mapnik (lien fourni), j'ai plein de dalles non générées avec la rubrique more OSM coming soon et ceci change en fonction des niveaux de zoom. Sur mon android, avec osmand+mapnik, les modifications apparaissents dans les niveaux de zoom 13, 14, 17 18, mais pas entre les deux. Si je regardes avec osmarender http://osm.org/go/0EKVcL_s-?layers=O il me tronque l'extremité sud du bassin et sur le portable toutes les modifications d'hier soir ne s'affichent qu'en zoom 16, 17 18 avec toujours le bas manquant. Pourtant j'ai vidé les caches aussi bien sur pc que sur téléphone. J'aimerai écrire à l'organisme qui gère ce nouveau complexe en leur annonçant qu'ils sont visibles sur OSM (contrairement à tous les autres...) mais je ne veux pas leur envoyer un lien incomplet... -- David White User #297763 on http://counter.li.org Jabber: dwh...@im.linux62.org OpenStreetMap Contributor DavidKW ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Comment fonctionnent les rendus de cartes
bonjour, pour le rendu osmarender - il n'y a pas de zoom 18 - tu peu regarder a cette adresse, c'est la tuile erronnée http://tah.openstreetmap.org/Browse/details/tile/13/4144/2744/ c'est marqué en anglais qu'elle est en cours de construction Current Request status Active request at priority 2 has been requested si les tuiles ne sont pas construites, je le ferais en début d'après midi pour le rendu mapnik, c'est déja construit... pour le fonctionnement de osmarender http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Tiles@home je ne connais pas de lien vers mapnik - - - - didier + mapeur amateur + - Mail d'origine - De: David White dwh...@linux62.org À: Discussions sur OSM en français talk-fr@openstreetmap.org Envoyé: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 10:03:52 +0100 (CET) Objet: [OSM-talk-fr] Comment fonctionnent les rendus de cartes Bonjour à toutes et à tous, Je cherche un peu à comprendre comment fonctionnent les différents rendus de cartes (mapnikn osmarender, etc.) J'ai ajouté le nouveau bassin olympique d'aviron qui va être inauguré à Gravelines (59) à la fin du mois hier soir http://osm.org/go/0ELAC_F Quand je regarde sous mapnik (lien fourni), j'ai plein de dalles non générées avec la rubrique more OSM coming soon et ceci change en fonction des niveaux de zoom. Sur mon android, avec osmand+mapnik, les modifications apparaissents dans les niveaux de zoom 13, 14, 17 18, mais pas entre les deux. Si je regardes avec osmarender http://osm.org/go/0EKVcL_s-?layers=O il me tronque l'extremité sud du bassin et sur le portable toutes les modifications d'hier soir ne s'affichent qu'en zoom 16, 17 18 avec toujours le bas manquant. Pourtant j'ai vidé les caches aussi bien sur pc que sur téléphone. J'aimerai écrire à l'organisme qui gère ce nouveau complexe en leur annonçant qu'ils sont visibles sur OSM (contrairement à tous les autres...) mais je ne veux pas leur envoyer un lien incomplet... -- David White User #297763 on http://counter.li.org Jabber: dwh...@im.linux62.org OpenStreetMap Contributor DavidKW ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Comment fonctionnent les rendus de cartes
David White wrote: Bonjour à toutes et à tous, Je cherche un peu à comprendre comment fonctionnent les différents rendus de cartes (mapnikn osmarender, etc.) J'ai ajouté le nouveau bassin olympique d'aviron qui va être inauguré à Gravelines (59) à la fin du mois hier soir http://osm.org/go/0ELAC_F Quand je regarde sous mapnik (lien fourni), j'ai plein de dalles non générées avec la rubrique more OSM coming soon et ceci change en fonction des niveaux de zoom. Les tuiles Mapnik ou Osmarender doivent couvrir presque toute la surface du globe en 18 niveaux de zoom. Ça représente à peu près 92 milliards de tuiles (images de 256x256 pixels). Selon la densité de données, dessiner une tuile peut être rapide (quelques millisecondes sur un PC normal) ou plus lent (quelques secondes). À chaque édition des objets OSM, il faut redessiner les tuiles couvrant cette modification. Dans la réalité, il y a des systèmes pour optimiser (méta-tuiles en particulier) mais sans aller plus loin dans ces détails, il est clair que la tâche n'est pas facile et mobilise beaucoup de ressources. Mapnik et Osmarenderer ont choisi des options très différentes pour gérer cette tâche mais tout deux s'appuient sur une file d'attente. Les tuiles qui ont besoin d'être redessinées s'y accumulent en attente d'être traitées. Selon l'activité dans OSM, la file (et donc le temps d'attente) peut être plus ou moins long. En général, il faut moins de 24h à Mapnik pour être à jour (mais c'est sans garantie). L'image More OSM coming soon apparaît quand la tuile n'est pas disponible, pour une raison ou pour une autre. Ça devrait être temporaire. Cordialement -- Gilles Bassière - Web/GIS software engineer http://gbassiere.free.fr/ ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Footway ou path?
Bonjour, J'ai une question subsidiaire qui concerne tous les chemins et qui a déjà été évoquée ici: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-fr/2009-November/016456.html Il s'agit des barrières du type de celle-ci http://ns37318.ovh.net/~scieried/images/stories/barriere-forestiere-bois/barriere-forestiere-bois-BFO1-02.jpgQuel est donc le tag le plus approprié selon vous? Il n'y a rien de très évident dans le wiki. Merci. Romain Le 14 mars 2011 11:59, Gilles Bassière gbassi...@gmail.com a écrit : Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote: Avec ce genre de discussion byzantine, je vois 50 nouveaux mappeurs qui ont jeté leur GPS et sont partis dans un club de Scrabble (tm) Avant d'étiqueter des foute-ouais ou des pafs (pourquoi pas des bâtiments, tant qu'on y est ?), feriez bien de mapper des chemins carrossables... :-P Avec où sans GPS, j'aime parcourir les sentiers et autres chemins de traverse. Une de mes motivations en tant que contributeur est justement d'améliorer la connaissance des chemins qui sont bien souvent négligés dans les cartes commerciales (même celles de rando). Que d'autres préfèrent cartographier les clubs de Scrabble ne me pose pas de problème. Ils font ce qu'ils veulent autant que je fais ce que je veux. Soyons clair, le jour où quiconque me dira ce que je devrai cartographier, je cesserai d'être contributeur. La liberté et le plaisir de cartographier sont au cœur d'OSM et je vous serai reconnaissant de bien vouloir les y laisser. -- Gilles Bassière - Web/GIS software engineer http://gbassiere.free.fr/ ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Footway ou path?
Romain MEHUT wrote: Il s'agit des barrières du type de celle-ci http://ns37318.ovh.net/~scieried/images/stories/barriere-forestiere-bois/barriere-forestiere-bois-BFO1-02.jpg Quel est donc le tag le plus approprié selon vous? Il n'y a rien de très évident dans le wiki. J'utilise barrier=gate dans ces cas-là : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Tag:barrier%3Dgate Le wiki précise que : barrier=gate est utilisée pour désigner un obstacle mobile qui autorise ou restreint l'accès par une voie de circulation comme une barrière ou un portail, en bois ou en métal. Je ne vois pas d'ambiguïté. Sur ta photo, la barrière est cadenassée. Le chemin après la barrière aura donc certainement un vehicle=no ou motor_vehicle=no. Cordialement -- Gilles Bassière - Web/GIS software engineer http://gbassiere.free.fr/ ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Footway ou path?
Ok, j'hésitais à utiliser gate du fait que cette barrière n'est pas mobile. Merci. Le 15 mars 2011 11:00, Gilles Bassière gbassi...@gmail.com a écrit : Romain MEHUT wrote: Il s'agit des barrières du type de celle-ci http://ns37318.ovh.net/~scieried/images/stories/barriere-forestiere-bois/barriere-forestiere-bois-BFO1-02.jpg Quel est donc le tag le plus approprié selon vous? Il n'y a rien de très évident dans le wiki. J'utilise barrier=gate dans ces cas-là : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Tag:barrier%3Dgate Le wiki précise que : barrier=gate est utilisée pour désigner un obstacle mobile qui autorise ou restreint l'accès par une voie de circulation comme une barrière ou un portail, en bois ou en métal. Je ne vois pas d'ambiguïté. Sur ta photo, la barrière est cadenassée. Le chemin après la barrière aura donc certainement un vehicle=no ou motor_vehicle=no. Cordialement -- Gilles Bassière - Web/GIS software engineer http://gbassiere.free.fr/ ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Comment fonctionnent les rendus de cartes
2011/3/15 Gilles Bassière gbassi...@gmail.com Ça représente à peu près 92 milliards de tuiles (images de 256x256 pixels). Heureusement, ni Mapnik, ni osmarender ne génèrent l'ensemble des tuiles. Le rendu Mapnik ne génère que les zones visitées par les navigateurs web (c'est un module apache mod_tile spécialement développé pour). Pour le rendu osmarender, je suis moins sûr mais je crois que la file d'attente (gérée par tiles@home) se base uniquement sur les changements dans la base de données. Donc, sauf erreur de ma part, le rafraichissement des rendus est piloté par les utilisateurs dans le premier cas et par les éditeurs dans le second. En général, il faut moins de 24h à Mapnik pour être à jour (mais c'est sans garantie). Le délai est beaucoup plus court puisqu'il suffit de demander à voir les tuiles pour éventuellement commander un nouveau rendu (inscrit dans la file d'attente). Pour cela, il faut d'abord que votre navigateur internet demande ces tuiles et n'utilise pas son propre cache. mod_tile regarde ensuite si les tuiles existent déjà sur son disque et si elles ne sont pas trop anciennes. Il ne commandera un nouveau rendu que s'il remarque que les données ont changé depuis le dernier rendu de ces tuiles et la date de la nouvelle requête. Les données OSM sont régulièrement importées depuis la bdd principale dans la bdd utilisée par Mapnik en utilisant les exports minutely-diff faits toutes les minutes et ce processus marque toutes les tuiles concernées par les changements. Donc, si tout se passe bien, il faut attendre au pire une minute après votre upload pour demander à nouveau les tuiles mapnik. Si le serveur n'est pas trop chargé, le nouveau rendu est immédiat. S'il est moyennement chargé, les délais sont de quelques minutes, le temps que vos tuiles sortent de la file d'attente. Mais il arrive que le serveur soit très chargé et des requêtes peuvent se perdre (la taille de la file d'attente est volontairement limitée). Pour ceux-là, il existe le truc de copier l'URL de l'image et d'y ajouter le suffixe /dirty dans votre navigateur. Cela forcera mod_tile à remettre cette tuile dans la file d'attente sans conditions. mod_tile est documenté sur le wiki. A noter que geofabrik a écrit son propre serveur de tuiles OSM tirex. Pieren ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OSM-Fr : 940 caméras géolocalisés
C super J'en profite pour lancer une idée en passant à laquelle je serai motivé pour participer : une carte des sites nucléaires. Luc Le 13 mars 2011 20:03, Pierre-Alain Dorange pdora...@mac.com a écrit : Après la dernière mise à jour de ma carte de la vidéo-surveillance en France, OSM (France) contient 940 caméras : http://www.leretourdelautruche.com/map/cctv/cctv.html C'est pas beaucoup sur l'estimation sur les 30 000 autorisés sur la voie publique. La carte des radars a aussi été mise à jour (525 radars géolocalisés) : http://www.leretourdelautruche.com/map/radar_fr.html J'en profite pour rappeller que je travaille (lentement) sur une autre carte de la vidéo-surveillance en France collaborative qui permet de visualiser les caméras OSM (au fort zoom) et des données globales sur les communes (au niveau de zoom faible). C'est pas encore opérationnelle (notamment les aspects collaboratifs) mais ça avance doucement : http://www.leretourdelautruche.com/map/cctv/index.html -- Pierre-Alain Dorange OSM experiences : http://www.leretourdelautruche.com/map/ ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Comment fonctionnent les rendus de cartes
Il faut aussi préciser que le serveur de tuile OSM retarde le rafraichissement des tuiles en fonction du nombre de mise à jour des données, dans le temps, pour la zone concernée. C'est un comportement que j'ai constaté à maintes reprises. Sûrement pour éviter de surcharger le serveur inutilement en régénérant la tuile de multiple fois sur un court laps de temps pour rien. Donc, plus il y a de upload de données rapprochés dans le temps, plus grande est la chance de devoir attendre longtemps que la tuile soit redessinée. Pour les impatients, mieux vaut uploader toutes ses modifications en une fois. /Lapi. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OSM-Fr : 940 caméras géolocalisés
Elle existe déjà: http://www.sortirdunucleaire.org/carte/ Le 15 mars 2011 12:09, Luc Xation luc.xati...@gmail.com a écrit : C super J'en profite pour lancer une idée en passant à laquelle je serai motivé pour participer : une carte des sites nucléaires. Luc Le 13 mars 2011 20:03, Pierre-Alain Dorange pdora...@mac.com a écrit : Après la dernière mise à jour de ma carte de la vidéo-surveillance en France, OSM (France) contient 940 caméras : http://www.leretourdelautruche.com/map/cctv/cctv.html C'est pas beaucoup sur l'estimation sur les 30 000 autorisés sur la voie publique. La carte des radars a aussi été mise à jour (525 radars géolocalisés) : http://www.leretourdelautruche.com/map/radar_fr.html J'en profite pour rappeller que je travaille (lentement) sur une autre carte de la vidéo-surveillance en France collaborative qui permet de visualiser les caméras OSM (au fort zoom) et des données globales sur les communes (au niveau de zoom faible). C'est pas encore opérationnelle (notamment les aspects collaboratifs) mais ça avance doucement : http://www.leretourdelautruche.com/map/cctv/index.html -- Pierre-Alain Dorange OSM experiences : http://www.leretourdelautruche.com/map/ ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OSM-Fr : 940 caméras géolocalisés
Merveilleux ! Le 15 mars 2011 12:16, Romain MEHUT romain.me...@gmail.com a écrit : Elle existe déjà: http://www.sortirdunucleaire.org/carte/ Le 15 mars 2011 12:09, Luc Xation luc.xati...@gmail.com a écrit : C super J'en profite pour lancer une idée en passant à laquelle je serai motivé pour participer : une carte des sites nucléaires. Luc Le 13 mars 2011 20:03, Pierre-Alain Dorange pdora...@mac.com a écrit : Après la dernière mise à jour de ma carte de la vidéo-surveillance en France, OSM (France) contient 940 caméras : http://www.leretourdelautruche.com/map/cctv/cctv.html C'est pas beaucoup sur l'estimation sur les 30 000 autorisés sur la voie publique. La carte des radars a aussi été mise à jour (525 radars géolocalisés) : http://www.leretourdelautruche.com/map/radar_fr.html J'en profite pour rappeller que je travaille (lentement) sur une autre carte de la vidéo-surveillance en France collaborative qui permet de visualiser les caméras OSM (au fort zoom) et des données globales sur les communes (au niveau de zoom faible). C'est pas encore opérationnelle (notamment les aspects collaboratifs) mais ça avance doucement : http://www.leretourdelautruche.com/map/cctv/index.html -- Pierre-Alain Dorange OSM experiences : http://www.leretourdelautruche.com/map/ ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] Encore une belle carte!
Décidément... http://www.clesdelaconso.org/carte.html ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Encore une belle carte!
On 15/03/2011 12:43, Romain MEHUT wrote: Décidément... http://www.clesdelaconso.org/carte.html ouep surtout le flag de Boulogne-sur-mer positionné à 35km au dessus de Calais -- David White User #297763 on http://counter.li.org Jabber: dwh...@im.linux62.org OpenStreetMap Contributor DavidKW ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Comment fonctionnent les rendus de cartes
On 15/03/2011 11:30, Pieren wrote: 2011/3/15 Gilles Bassière gbassi...@gmail.com mailto:gbassi...@gmail.com Ça représente à peu près 92 milliards de tuiles (images de 256x256 pixels). Heureusement, ni Mapnik, ni osmarender ne génèrent l'ensemble des tuiles. Le rendu Mapnik ne génère que les zones visitées par les navigateurs web (c'est un module apache mod_tile spécialement développé pour). Pour le rendu osmarender, je suis moins sûr mais je crois que la file d'attente (gérée par tiles@home) se base uniquement sur les changements dans la base de données. Donc, sauf erreur de ma part, le rafraichissement des rendus est piloté par les utilisateurs dans le premier cas et par les éditeurs dans le second. En général, il faut moins de 24h à Mapnik pour être à jour (mais c'est sans garantie). Le délai est beaucoup plus court puisqu'il suffit de demander à voir les tuiles pour éventuellement commander un nouveau rendu (inscrit dans la file d'attente). Pour cela, il faut d'abord que votre navigateur internet demande ces tuiles et n'utilise pas son propre cache. mod_tile regarde ensuite si les tuiles existent déjà sur son disque et si elles ne sont pas trop anciennes. Il ne commandera un nouveau rendu que s'il remarque que les données ont changé depuis le dernier rendu de ces tuiles et la date de la nouvelle requête. Les données OSM sont régulièrement importées depuis la bdd principale dans la bdd utilisée par Mapnik en utilisant les exports minutely-diff faits toutes les minutes et ce processus marque toutes les tuiles concernées par les changements. Donc, si tout se passe bien, il faut attendre au pire une minute après votre upload pour demander à nouveau les tuiles mapnik. Si le serveur n'est pas trop chargé, le nouveau rendu est immédiat. S'il est moyennement chargé, les délais sont de quelques minutes, le temps que vos tuiles sortent de la file d'attente. Mais il arrive que le serveur soit très chargé et des requêtes peuvent se perdre (la taille de la file d'attente est volontairement limitée). Pour ceux-là, il existe le truc de copier l'URL de l'image et d'y ajouter le suffixe /dirty dans votre navigateur. Cela forcera mod_tile à remettre cette tuile dans la file d'attente sans conditions. mod_tile est documenté sur le wiki. A noter que geofabrik a écrit son propre serveur de tuiles OSM tirex. Pieren Merci à tous de vos réponses détaillées, j'avais remarqué en effet que Mapnik avait tendance à être plus rapide, l'ordre de quelques minutes pour afficher une modification. Cette fois c'est osmarender qui est à jour et pas mal de tuiles en erreur 404 pour mapnik, comme mes modifications datent d'hier soir j'imagine qu'il doit y avoir un couac avec la file de traitement. Ce soir, je ferai, éventuellement des petites modifications pour forcer une regénération dans la file d'attente. En tout cas, mon mail est parti aux admins du site du Parc pour leur dire qu'ils sont sur la carte @++ -- David White User #297763 on http://counter.li.org Jabber: dwh...@im.linux62.org OpenStreetMap Contributor DavidKW ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Comment fonctionnent les rendus de cartes
Le 15/03/2011 13:59, David White a écrit : Merci à tous de vos réponses détaillées, j'avais remarqué en effet que Mapnik avait tendance à être plus rapide, l'ordre de quelques minutes pour afficher une modification. Cette fois c'est osmarender qui est à jour et pas mal de tuiles en erreur 404 pour mapnik, comme mes modifications datent d'hier soir j'imagine qu'il doit y avoir un couac avec la file de traitement. Ce soir, je ferai, éventuellement des petites modifications pour forcer une regénération dans la file d'attente. inutile de faire des modifications pour forcer la regeneration d'une tuile tu fais un clic droit sur la tuile, tu fais afficher l'image dans l'url de l'image tu rajoute /dirty a la fin et tu fais entree la tuile est remise de force en file d'attente ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Comment fonctionnent les rendus de cartes
pour osmarender, tu peux devenir un participant a la construction des tuiles http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tiles@home/Install_Guide et meme constuire les tuiles que tu désires :-) dans ton cas cela aurait été : tilegen.pl xy 12 2072 1372 - - - - didier + mapeur amateur + - Mail d'origine - De: David White dwh...@linux62.org À: talk-fr@openstreetmap.org Envoyé: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:59:51 +0100 (CET) Objet: Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Comment fonctionnent les rendus de cartes On 15/03/2011 11:30, Pieren wrote: 2011/3/15 Gilles Bassière gbassi...@gmail.com mailto:gbassi...@gmail.com Ça représente à peu près 92 milliards de tuiles (images de 256x256 pixels). Heureusement, ni Mapnik, ni osmarender ne génèrent l'ensemble des tuiles. Le rendu Mapnik ne génère que les zones visitées par les navigateurs web (c'est un module apache mod_tile spécialement développé pour). Pour le rendu osmarender, je suis moins sûr mais je crois que la file d'attente (gérée par tiles@home) se base uniquement sur les changements dans la base de données. Donc, sauf erreur de ma part, le rafraichissement des rendus est piloté par les utilisateurs dans le premier cas et par les éditeurs dans le second. En général, il faut moins de 24h à Mapnik pour être à jour (mais c'est sans garantie). Le délai est beaucoup plus court puisqu'il suffit de demander à voir les tuiles pour éventuellement commander un nouveau rendu (inscrit dans la file d'attente). Pour cela, il faut d'abord que votre navigateur internet demande ces tuiles et n'utilise pas son propre cache. mod_tile regarde ensuite si les tuiles existent déjà sur son disque et si elles ne sont pas trop anciennes. Il ne commandera un nouveau rendu que s'il remarque que les données ont changé depuis le dernier rendu de ces tuiles et la date de la nouvelle requête. Les données OSM sont régulièrement importées depuis la bdd principale dans la bdd utilisée par Mapnik en utilisant les exports minutely-diff faits toutes les minutes et ce processus marque toutes les tuiles concernées par les changements. Donc, si tout se passe bien, il faut attendre au pire une minute après votre upload pour demander à nouveau les tuiles mapnik. Si le serveur n'est pas trop chargé, le nouveau rendu est immédiat. S'il est moyennement chargé, les délais sont de quelques minutes, le temps que vos tuiles sortent de la file d'attente. Mais il arrive que le serveur soit très chargé et des requêtes peuvent se perdre (la taille de la file d'attente est volontairement limitée). Pour ceux-là, il existe le truc de copier l'URL de l'image et d'y ajouter le suffixe /dirty dans votre navigateur. Cela forcera mod_tile à remettre cette tuile dans la file d'attente sans conditions. mod_tile est documenté sur le wiki. A noter que geofabrik a écrit son propre serveur de tuiles OSM tirex. Pieren Merci à tous de vos réponses détaillées, j'avais remarqué en effet que Mapnik avait tendance à être plus rapide, l'ordre de quelques minutes pour afficher une modification. Cette fois c'est osmarender qui est à jour et pas mal de tuiles en erreur 404 pour mapnik, comme mes modifications datent d'hier soir j'imagine qu'il doit y avoir un couac avec la file de traitement. Ce soir, je ferai, éventuellement des petites modifications pour forcer une regénération dans la file d'attente. En tout cas, mon mail est parti aux admins du site du Parc pour leur dire qu'ils sont sur la carte @++ -- David White User #297763 on http://counter.li.org Jabber: dwh...@im.linux62.org OpenStreetMap Contributor DavidKW ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Encore une belle carte!
personnelement, j'aurais CHOISI un fond de carte Osm ... - - - - didier + mapeur amateur + - Mail d'origine - De: Romain MEHUT romain.me...@gmail.com À: Discussions sur OSM en français talk-fr@openstreetmap.org Envoyé: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 12:43:41 +0100 (CET) Objet: [OSM-talk-fr] Encore une belle carte! Décidément... http://www.clesdelaconso.org/carte.html ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OpenMapCamp à toulouse – 1er Avril 2011
Bonjour, Je fais partie des organisateurs et je suis ravi que cet évènement ait lieu cette fois à Toulouse après notre première édition l'année dernière à Paris. Nous vous attendons nombreux pour discuter avec les collectivités territoriales et les entreprises de la région... mais faites bien attention à vous enregistrer sur le site de La Cantine Toulouse pour que nous puissions nous organiser en fonction du nombre de participants. Merci d'avance. A bientôt, Jean-Francois Faudi en charge des activités web de Spot Image - Astrium Le 15 mars 2011 00:28, Sébastien Dinot sebastien.di...@free.fr a écrit : Florian LAINEZ a écrit : Pour info, j'y serai ;) Moi aussi ! Sébastien -- Sébastien Dinot, sebastien.di...@free.fr http://sebastien.dinot.free.fr/ Ne goûtez pas au logiciel libre, vous ne pourriez plus vous en passer ! ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr -- Jean-Francois FAUDI, Astrium Services Geo-Information, Web and E-business Email : jean-francois.fa...@spotimage.fr – Web Site : http://www.spotimage.com Phone : +33 5 62 19 43 34 – Fax : +33 5 62 19 43 43 – GSM : +33 6 13 64 03 06 Before printing, think about the environment This email is : [ ] bloggable [X] private ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Comment fonctionnent les rendus de cartes
On 15/03/2011 14:30, hamster wrote: Le 15/03/2011 13:59, David White a écrit : Merci à tous de vos réponses détaillées, j'avais remarqué en effet que Mapnik avait tendance à être plus rapide, l'ordre de quelques minutes pour afficher une modification. Cette fois c'est osmarender qui est à jour et pas mal de tuiles en erreur 404 pour mapnik, comme mes modifications datent d'hier soir j'imagine qu'il doit y avoir un couac avec la file de traitement. Ce soir, je ferai, éventuellement des petites modifications pour forcer une regénération dans la file d'attente. inutile de faire des modifications pour forcer la regeneration d'une tuile tu fais un clic droit sur la tuile, tu fais afficher l'image dans l'url de l'image tu rajoute /dirty a la fin et tu fais entree la tuile est remise de force en file d'attente Bof: ça marchera avec ça: http://www.openstreetmap.org/openlayers/img/404.png ? C'est l'url générique pour toutes les tuiles en erreur -- David White User #297763 on http://counter.li.org Jabber: dwh...@im.linux62.org OpenStreetMap Contributor DavidKW ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Comment fonctionnent les rendus de cartes
David White wrote: Bof: ça marchera avec ça: http://www.openstreetmap.org/openlayers/img/404.png ? Non, effectivement, ça ne marchera pas avec ça. L'URL d'une tuile ressemble à ça : http://tile.openstreetmap.org/14/8289/5487.png Il peut y avoir une lettre en préfixe devant tile.openstreetmap.org et les 3 nombres à la fin sont les coordonnées de la tuiles. Quand tu as cette URL, tu peux demander la regénération avec : http://tile.openstreetmap.org/14/8289/5487.png/dirty Un message de confirmation apparaît alors : Tile submitted for rendering Dans ton cas, je ne comprends pas trop pourquoi tu as toujours le 404.png. Toutes les tuiles sont OK autour du bassin olympique depuis mon PC. Cordialement -- Gilles Bassière - Web/GIS software engineer http://gbassiere.free.fr/ ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Comment fonctionnent les rendus de cartes
Je sais pas si c'est ce cas, mais moi ça m'est arrivé à plusieurs reprises de faire une fausse manip par clic droit sur une tuile et bloquer les images venant de Résultat, l'un des 3 serveurs de tuiles (a b ou c.tah.openstreetmap.org) est alors bloqué par mon navigateur Firefox. Selon les niveaux de zoom, je me retrouve avec certaines tuiles (un tiers des tuiles en gros, c'est aléatoire) manquantes et remplacées par le more data coming soon. Ça se répare facilement en allant dans les préférences de Firefox, onglet Contenu, Charger les images automatiquement bouton Exceptions, et supprimer de tah.openstreetmap.org de la liste des sites bloqués. Cordialement, Gérard Dans ton cas, je ne comprends pas trop pourquoi tu as toujours le 404.png. Toutes les tuiles sont OK autour du bassin olympique depuis mon PC. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] Import automatique des routes du cadastre
Bonjour à tous, Il m'avait semblé voir passer un lien sur l'import automatique de routes depuis le cadastre. Malheureusement, impossible de me souvenir de l'adresse. Quelqu'un aurait-il gardé ça en favoris ? Merci Arnaud -- Van De Casteele Arnaud Mines Paris Tech - CRC Sophia-Antipolis 0698 24 25 29 SIG - WebMapping - SOLAP - BI - GeoCollaboration Web Site http://geotribu.net/ http://www.sismaris.org/ ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-ja] [osmfj] Re: World Support for Japan Crisis Response
清野です。 Newsletterについては、 http://openstreetmap.jp/crisis/ を活用してください。 だれでもアカウントを作れるようになっていますし、 権限が必要であれば付与することが可能です。 よろしくお願いします。 2011/3/15 Daniel Kastl dan...@georepublic.de: Imaki-san, Thank you! I think it's difficult to oversee all current activities. I assume that all important data sources OSM can use are listed here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2011_Sendai_earthquake_and_tsunami Digital Globe editors are limited to 20 accounts: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2011_Sendai_earthquake_and_tsunami/List_of_DigitalGlobe_Editors Probably the main focus of OSM community is this page: http://sinsai.info/ I think some daily newsletter (or maybe even twice a day) in both Japanese/English, that summarize the latest achievements and changes, would be very valuable for everyone. There are probably too many news out there right now and too many emails sent to mailing lists to pick the important one for each of us. My Japanese skills and available time are probably not sufficient to lead this. I think it's difficult to get started, so maybe something like this exists already? Daniel 2011/3/15 Hiroo Imaki hi...@angeli.org Daniel, I would like to organize my thoughts and prioritize tasks I can help on recent OSM-J work with people around Seattle. I know many people in Japan working hard to update OSM but can some of OSM-J leaders can sort out what kind of task they want to get done and let us know in English? I know Furuhashi-san and Seino-san but they must have too much work. Is there any other person I can talk to about current OSM priorities? I am little bit confused about which remote sensing data I can use for OSM mapping. Can we use air photo's Chiriin took after the disaster? Thank you so much for communicating with rest of the world!! Hiroo 2011/3/14 Daniel Kastl dan...@georepublic.de: Hi Peter, (I'm sending this also to the OSM lists) I think it's impossible to avoid duplicate work. Mostly due to the language barrier. Since Sunday I'm logging the IRC channel(s) of the OSM community. It was increased to three channels, because the traffic was too high. And still the logs are long. Always there are about 50 people on each channel. http://openstreetmap.jp/irclog/ I think one important point for OSM and OSGeo communities is, that data is really freely available to be possible to be published and processed by the mass of users. I have written this post on the mailing list one year ago: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ja/2010-March/002549.html And unfortunately it just happened. The OSM community would produce up-to-date maps within an incredible short time, if they had the permission to use the satellite photos. Servers to serve the data are setup in hours, but to convince the companies to let us use the imagery is extremely annoying and time consuming. This disaster will not be the last time this happens, I fear. Regards, Daniel 2011/3/15 Peter Hannah han...@gmail.com Daniel, Yes, I started worrying about duplication of effort the more I saw the random GIS posts on Skype. Thank you for your work! If you don't mind, I will add you to our subgroup email list to help consolidate the efforts. I will look into joining the lists you mention. Best regards, Peter On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 11:16 PM, Daniel Kastl daniel.ka...@georepublic.de wrote: Hello Peter, Thank you for your email and please say hello to Jaymes! I'm actually on the CrisisCommons list since last Saturday and also foundation member of the Japanese OpenStreetMap community. We have setup this Ushahidi platform (http://www.sinsai.info/ushahidi/) and the Japanese OSGeo and OSM community are working to publish data sources, that were not freely available until now. Other entry pages are: http://openstreetmap.jp/crisis/ http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2011_Sendai_earthquake_and_tsunami I think there is a lot of duplicate work done in many groups, who don't know well about each other. But I think that's OK, because better having it done twice than not at all. The groups I'm active in are mainly local people and they speak Japanese and are not too familiar with English, so this is for sure making it difficult. I recommend you to join the following Japanese mailing lists: http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/osgeojapan-discuss http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja There are many readers involved in OpenSource GIS and OSM, who have good contacts to mapping companies and data providers as well as the government. It's no problem at all to post in English. A couple of emails from CrisisCommons have been forwarded to this list also from my side. Best regards, Daniel 2011/3/15 Peter Hannah han...@gmail.com Mr. Kastl, I am a friend and colleague of Jaymes Cloninger. Jaymes gave me your contact information so that I may
Re: [OSM-ja] [osmfj] Re: World Support for Japan Crisis Response
2011/3/15 Yoichi Seino say.n...@gmail.com 清野です。 Newsletterについては、 http://openstreetmap.jp/crisis/ Thank you! I forgot the link to this page. I think it's a bit difficult for Peter and other foreigners to navigate there, because it's all in Japanese. But it might be a good idea to create a called Book (Drupal terms) or Category to publish such a newsletter there. It's important IMO to compress the amount of new information to have quick access to the latest news from several sources. because I'm more an IT person than a writer, there are probably people who have some experience or advice. Daniel を活用してください。 だれでもアカウントを作れるようになっていますし、 権限が必要であれば付与することが可能です。 よろしくお願いします。 2011/3/15 Daniel Kastl dan...@georepublic.de: Imaki-san, Thank you! I think it's difficult to oversee all current activities. I assume that all important data sources OSM can use are listed here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2011_Sendai_earthquake_and_tsunami Digital Globe editors are limited to 20 accounts: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2011_Sendai_earthquake_and_tsunami/List_of_DigitalGlobe_Editors Probably the main focus of OSM community is this page: http://sinsai.info/ I think some daily newsletter (or maybe even twice a day) in both Japanese/English, that summarize the latest achievements and changes, would be very valuable for everyone. There are probably too many news out there right now and too many emails sent to mailing lists to pick the important one for each of us. My Japanese skills and available time are probably not sufficient to lead this. I think it's difficult to get started, so maybe something like this exists already? Daniel 2011/3/15 Hiroo Imaki hi...@angeli.org Daniel, I would like to organize my thoughts and prioritize tasks I can help on recent OSM-J work with people around Seattle. I know many people in Japan working hard to update OSM but can some of OSM-J leaders can sort out what kind of task they want to get done and let us know in English? I know Furuhashi-san and Seino-san but they must have too much work. Is there any other person I can talk to about current OSM priorities? I am little bit confused about which remote sensing data I can use for OSM mapping. Can we use air photo's Chiriin took after the disaster? Thank you so much for communicating with rest of the world!! Hiroo 2011/3/14 Daniel Kastl dan...@georepublic.de: Hi Peter, (I'm sending this also to the OSM lists) I think it's impossible to avoid duplicate work. Mostly due to the language barrier. Since Sunday I'm logging the IRC channel(s) of the OSM community. It was increased to three channels, because the traffic was too high. And still the logs are long. Always there are about 50 people on each channel. http://openstreetmap.jp/irclog/ I think one important point for OSM and OSGeo communities is, that data is really freely available to be possible to be published and processed by the mass of users. I have written this post on the mailing list one year ago: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ja/2010-March/002549.html And unfortunately it just happened. The OSM community would produce up-to-date maps within an incredible short time, if they had the permission to use the satellite photos. Servers to serve the data are setup in hours, but to convince the companies to let us use the imagery is extremely annoying and time consuming. This disaster will not be the last time this happens, I fear. Regards, Daniel 2011/3/15 Peter Hannah han...@gmail.com Daniel, Yes, I started worrying about duplication of effort the more I saw the random GIS posts on Skype. Thank you for your work! If you don't mind, I will add you to our subgroup email list to help consolidate the efforts. I will look into joining the lists you mention. Best regards, Peter On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 11:16 PM, Daniel Kastl daniel.ka...@georepublic.de wrote: Hello Peter, Thank you for your email and please say hello to Jaymes! I'm actually on the CrisisCommons list since last Saturday and also foundation member of the Japanese OpenStreetMap community. We have setup this Ushahidi platform (http://www.sinsai.info/ushahidi/) and the Japanese OSGeo and OSM community are working to publish data sources, that were not freely available until now. Other entry pages are: http://openstreetmap.jp/crisis/ http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2011_Sendai_earthquake_and_tsunami I think there is a lot of duplicate work done in many groups, who don't know well about each other. But I think that's OK, because better having it done twice than not at all. The groups I'm active in are mainly local people and they speak Japanese and are not too familiar with English, so this is for sure
Re: [OSM-ja] [osmfj] Re: World Support for Japan Crisis Response
清野です。 トップページに固定する形で英語のBlog entryを掲載するか、 そもそも一番上の部分に英語も併記する形にしてしまえばOKかと思います。 DanielさんはAdministratorなので自由に使えるはずです。 よろしくお願いします。 2011/3/15 Daniel Kastl dan...@georepublic.de: 2011/3/15 Yoichi Seino say.n...@gmail.com 清野です。 Newsletterについては、 http://openstreetmap.jp/crisis/ Thank you! I forgot the link to this page. I think it's a bit difficult for Peter and other foreigners to navigate there, because it's all in Japanese. But it might be a good idea to create a called Book (Drupal terms) or Category to publish such a newsletter there. It's important IMO to compress the amount of new information to have quick access to the latest news from several sources. because I'm more an IT person than a writer, there are probably people who have some experience or advice. Daniel を活用してください。 だれでもアカウントを作れるようになっていますし、 権限が必要であれば付与することが可能です。 よろしくお願いします。 2011/3/15 Daniel Kastl dan...@georepublic.de: Imaki-san, Thank you! I think it's difficult to oversee all current activities. I assume that all important data sources OSM can use are listed here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2011_Sendai_earthquake_and_tsunami Digital Globe editors are limited to 20 accounts: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2011_Sendai_earthquake_and_tsunami/List_of_DigitalGlobe_Editors Probably the main focus of OSM community is this page: http://sinsai.info/ I think some daily newsletter (or maybe even twice a day) in both Japanese/English, that summarize the latest achievements and changes, would be very valuable for everyone. There are probably too many news out there right now and too many emails sent to mailing lists to pick the important one for each of us. My Japanese skills and available time are probably not sufficient to lead this. I think it's difficult to get started, so maybe something like this exists already? Daniel 2011/3/15 Hiroo Imaki hi...@angeli.org Daniel, I would like to organize my thoughts and prioritize tasks I can help on recent OSM-J work with people around Seattle. I know many people in Japan working hard to update OSM but can some of OSM-J leaders can sort out what kind of task they want to get done and let us know in English? I know Furuhashi-san and Seino-san but they must have too much work. Is there any other person I can talk to about current OSM priorities? I am little bit confused about which remote sensing data I can use for OSM mapping. Can we use air photo's Chiriin took after the disaster? Thank you so much for communicating with rest of the world!! Hiroo 2011/3/14 Daniel Kastl dan...@georepublic.de: Hi Peter, (I'm sending this also to the OSM lists) I think it's impossible to avoid duplicate work. Mostly due to the language barrier. Since Sunday I'm logging the IRC channel(s) of the OSM community. It was increased to three channels, because the traffic was too high. And still the logs are long. Always there are about 50 people on each channel. http://openstreetmap.jp/irclog/ I think one important point for OSM and OSGeo communities is, that data is really freely available to be possible to be published and processed by the mass of users. I have written this post on the mailing list one year ago: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ja/2010-March/002549.html And unfortunately it just happened. The OSM community would produce up-to-date maps within an incredible short time, if they had the permission to use the satellite photos. Servers to serve the data are setup in hours, but to convince the companies to let us use the imagery is extremely annoying and time consuming. This disaster will not be the last time this happens, I fear. Regards, Daniel 2011/3/15 Peter Hannah han...@gmail.com Daniel, Yes, I started worrying about duplication of effort the more I saw the random GIS posts on Skype. Thank you for your work! If you don't mind, I will add you to our subgroup email list to help consolidate the efforts. I will look into joining the lists you mention. Best regards, Peter On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 11:16 PM, Daniel Kastl daniel.ka...@georepublic.de wrote: Hello Peter, Thank you for your email and please say hello to Jaymes! I'm actually on the CrisisCommons list since last Saturday and also foundation member of the Japanese OpenStreetMap community. We have setup this Ushahidi platform (http://www.sinsai.info/ushahidi/) and the Japanese OSGeo and OSM community are working to publish data sources, that were not freely available until now. Other entry pages are: http://openstreetmap.jp/crisis/ http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2011_Sendai_earthquake_and_tsunami I think there is a lot of duplicate work done in many groups, who don't know well about each other. But I think that's
Re: [OSM-ja] [osmfj] Re: World Support for Japan Crisis Response
Daniel-san, That sounds great idea. I think I can organize Japanese-English-Japanese translation team around Seattle area. We need to find resource to summarize current OSM-J, OSM, OSGeo-J, and other organization activities. It would be nice to have daily summary in English. Seino-san, do you think you can ask somebody to find such a person? like retired or student IT journalist or something... I will definitely help translation part. Hiroo On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 11:13 PM, Daniel Kastl dan...@georepublic.de wrote: 2011/3/15 Yoichi Seino say.n...@gmail.com 清野です。 Newsletterについては、 http://openstreetmap.jp/crisis/ Thank you! I forgot the link to this page. I think it's a bit difficult for Peter and other foreigners to navigate there, because it's all in Japanese. But it might be a good idea to create a called Book (Drupal terms) or Category to publish such a newsletter there. It's important IMO to compress the amount of new information to have quick access to the latest news from several sources. because I'm more an IT person than a writer, there are probably people who have some experience or advice. Daniel を活用してください。 だれでもアカウントを作れるようになっていますし、 権限が必要であれば付与することが可能です。 よろしくお願いします。 2011/3/15 Daniel Kastl dan...@georepublic.de: Imaki-san, Thank you! I think it's difficult to oversee all current activities. I assume that all important data sources OSM can use are listed here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2011_Sendai_earthquake_and_tsunami Digital Globe editors are limited to 20 accounts: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2011_Sendai_earthquake_and_tsunami/List_of_DigitalGlobe_Editors Probably the main focus of OSM community is this page: http://sinsai.info/ I think some daily newsletter (or maybe even twice a day) in both Japanese/English, that summarize the latest achievements and changes, would be very valuable for everyone. There are probably too many news out there right now and too many emails sent to mailing lists to pick the important one for each of us. My Japanese skills and available time are probably not sufficient to lead this. I think it's difficult to get started, so maybe something like this exists already? Daniel 2011/3/15 Hiroo Imaki hi...@angeli.org Daniel, I would like to organize my thoughts and prioritize tasks I can help on recent OSM-J work with people around Seattle. I know many people in Japan working hard to update OSM but can some of OSM-J leaders can sort out what kind of task they want to get done and let us know in English? I know Furuhashi-san and Seino-san but they must have too much work. Is there any other person I can talk to about current OSM priorities? I am little bit confused about which remote sensing data I can use for OSM mapping. Can we use air photo's Chiriin took after the disaster? Thank you so much for communicating with rest of the world!! Hiroo 2011/3/14 Daniel Kastl dan...@georepublic.de: Hi Peter, (I'm sending this also to the OSM lists) I think it's impossible to avoid duplicate work. Mostly due to the language barrier. Since Sunday I'm logging the IRC channel(s) of the OSM community. It was increased to three channels, because the traffic was too high. And still the logs are long. Always there are about 50 people on each channel. http://openstreetmap.jp/irclog/ I think one important point for OSM and OSGeo communities is, that data is really freely available to be possible to be published and processed by the mass of users. I have written this post on the mailing list one year ago: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ja/2010-March/002549.html And unfortunately it just happened. The OSM community would produce up-to-date maps within an incredible short time, if they had the permission to use the satellite photos. Servers to serve the data are setup in hours, but to convince the companies to let us use the imagery is extremely annoying and time consuming. This disaster will not be the last time this happens, I fear. Regards, Daniel 2011/3/15 Peter Hannah han...@gmail.com Daniel, Yes, I started worrying about duplication of effort the more I saw the random GIS posts on Skype. Thank you for your work! If you don't mind, I will add you to our subgroup email list to help consolidate the efforts. I will look into joining the lists you mention. Best regards, Peter On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 11:16 PM, Daniel Kastl daniel.ka...@georepublic.de wrote: Hello Peter, Thank you for your email and please say hello to Jaymes! I'm actually on the CrisisCommons list since last Saturday and also foundation member of the Japanese OpenStreetMap community. We have setup this Ushahidi platform (http://www.sinsai.info/ushahidi/) and the Japanese OSGeo and OSM
Re: [OSM-ja] [osmfj] Re: World Support for Japan Crisis Response
清野です。 どんな人でもいいです。 まずは24時間体制が築けるのであれば。 ただ、やはり多少はOSMやGISに知識のある方がありがたいです。 OSMとしては ・createrとして地図を描いたり、ドキュメントを翻訳してくれる人 ・checkerとして、初心者の人の描いてくれた地図やドキュメントをチェックする人 が欲しいです。 GISとしては、 ・各種Freeな写真をOSMの初心者が使えるような形に加工してくれる人 ・それらをWMSなどで配信してくれる人 ・さらにそれらの使い方を初心者にもわかるようにマニュアル化してくれる人 が必要です。 よろしくお願い致します。 2011/3/15 Hiroo Imaki hi...@angeli.org: Daniel-san, That sounds great idea. I think I can organize Japanese-English-Japanese translation team around Seattle area. We need to find resource to summarize current OSM-J, OSM, OSGeo-J, and other organization activities. It would be nice to have daily summary in English. Seino-san, do you think you can ask somebody to find such a person? like retired or student IT journalist or something... I will definitely help translation part. Hiroo On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 11:13 PM, Daniel Kastl dan...@georepublic.de wrote: 2011/3/15 Yoichi Seino say.n...@gmail.com 清野です。 Newsletterについては、 http://openstreetmap.jp/crisis/ Thank you! I forgot the link to this page. I think it's a bit difficult for Peter and other foreigners to navigate there, because it's all in Japanese. But it might be a good idea to create a called Book (Drupal terms) or Category to publish such a newsletter there. It's important IMO to compress the amount of new information to have quick access to the latest news from several sources. because I'm more an IT person than a writer, there are probably people who have some experience or advice. Daniel を活用してください。 だれでもアカウントを作れるようになっていますし、 権限が必要であれば付与することが可能です。 よろしくお願いします。 2011/3/15 Daniel Kastl dan...@georepublic.de: Imaki-san, Thank you! I think it's difficult to oversee all current activities. I assume that all important data sources OSM can use are listed here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2011_Sendai_earthquake_and_tsunami Digital Globe editors are limited to 20 accounts: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2011_Sendai_earthquake_and_tsunami/List_of_DigitalGlobe_Editors Probably the main focus of OSM community is this page: http://sinsai.info/ I think some daily newsletter (or maybe even twice a day) in both Japanese/English, that summarize the latest achievements and changes, would be very valuable for everyone. There are probably too many news out there right now and too many emails sent to mailing lists to pick the important one for each of us. My Japanese skills and available time are probably not sufficient to lead this. I think it's difficult to get started, so maybe something like this exists already? Daniel 2011/3/15 Hiroo Imaki hi...@angeli.org Daniel, I would like to organize my thoughts and prioritize tasks I can help on recent OSM-J work with people around Seattle. I know many people in Japan working hard to update OSM but can some of OSM-J leaders can sort out what kind of task they want to get done and let us know in English? I know Furuhashi-san and Seino-san but they must have too much work. Is there any other person I can talk to about current OSM priorities? I am little bit confused about which remote sensing data I can use for OSM mapping. Can we use air photo's Chiriin took after the disaster? Thank you so much for communicating with rest of the world!! Hiroo 2011/3/14 Daniel Kastl dan...@georepublic.de: Hi Peter, (I'm sending this also to the OSM lists) I think it's impossible to avoid duplicate work. Mostly due to the language barrier. Since Sunday I'm logging the IRC channel(s) of the OSM community. It was increased to three channels, because the traffic was too high. And still the logs are long. Always there are about 50 people on each channel. http://openstreetmap.jp/irclog/ I think one important point for OSM and OSGeo communities is, that data is really freely available to be possible to be published and processed by the mass of users. I have written this post on the mailing list one year ago: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ja/2010-March/002549.html And unfortunately it just happened. The OSM community would produce up-to-date maps within an incredible short time, if they had the permission to use the satellite photos. Servers to serve the data are setup in hours, but to convince the companies to let us use the imagery is extremely annoying and time consuming. This disaster will not be the last time this happens, I fear. Regards, Daniel 2011/3/15 Peter Hannah han...@gmail.com Daniel, Yes, I started worrying about duplication of effort the more I saw the random GIS posts on Skype. Thank you for your work! If you don't mind, I will add you to our subgroup email list to help consolidate the efforts. I will look into joining the lists you mention. Best regards, Peter On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 11:16 PM, Daniel Kastl
Re: [OSM-ja] [osmfj] Re: World Support for Japan Crisis Response
wataoです． 既知だったらすみません いつの間にかBing画像更新してませんか 被災後も見えます． 仙台市若林区など ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja
