Re: [OSM-talk] Named passages on hiking paths

[Gilles Bassière]

Thank you all for your inputs, translations and jokes :)

Here, "pas" does not refer to a mountain pass (although some mountain
passes have a name starting with "Pas de ...").

I don't think "traverse" would fit either because the term is specific
to climbers.

Via ferrata is closer because these ways are equipped with
cables/chains. But they are still different because the whole path of a
via ferrata is equiped and they purposely go through difficult/vertical
obstacles. Climbing equipment is usually required for security. I'm
rather talking about very short difficult passages along a regular
hiking path. Such passages are not there for fun but because of an
unavoidable obstacle.

I manage to find some pictures of some "pas":
* Pas de la savonnette:
http://www.amisdesaintevictoire.asso.fr/montagne%20sainte%20victoire/sentiers/jaune/stevictoir030606%20004.jpg
* Pas de l'oeil de verre:
http://www.randomania.fr/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/pas_oeil_verre_equipe.JPG
* Pas du Boret: http://www.randoplus.ch/img/photos/600/pas-du-boret.jpg

In the last example, there is no chain or particular equipment on the
way but this passage is very steep and wearying, hence the qualification
as "Pas de ...".

I think that Phil got the right term with step. I've never tried the
Hillary step myself (!) but from what I can read, it matches the
description of what we call a "pas". Moreover, these technical passages
are often symbolic marks along the trail. For example, if I were to
describe a hiking trail, I could decompose it in several legs joining
these "pas" and other landmarks. It is therefore relevant to talk about
a step.

Phil also said that "step" carries too many meanings and is therefore
unclear. Even if hiking=step would reduce the scope to the hiking
context, we can expect confusion with highway=steps. I'm reluctant to
add an adjective such as technical_step because, as I said earlier, a
"pas" can be technical OR just wearying OR anything difficult.

Anyway, thanks again for your inputs. I'll try to discuss an appropriate
tag with hikers on Talk:Hiking.

Regards,
Gilles

Nathan Edgars II wrote:
> Gilles Bassière wrote:
>> When hiking, I often encounter short technical passages which have a
>> name painted on the rock. In French, the name almost always begin with
>> "Pas de ..." but I'm not sure if there is a good translation for "pas"
>> in English [1]. Such portions of the path often consist in passing a
>> small cliff or an exposed ridge, they may be equipped with chains or
>> cables.
>>
> Is http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/via_ferrata what
> you're thinking of?
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[OSM-talk] New SPOT imagery over Ivory Coast

[Frédéric Bonifas]

Hi,

After two aerial images over Abidjan, SPOT has released a new image
for Openstreetmap in Ivory Coast. It covers the border area with
Liberia, as many internal displaced people are moving there according
to reports. Quality is very decent and it is easy to trace is a not
too dense area.
This image is also an application case for French students trained by
Nicolas Chavent on OSM/HOT, which have already done a great job of
tracing/village naming. I will let him tell more about that.

Tracing is allowed in JOSM and Merkaartor but not Potlatch. The source
tag is "2009 Cnes / Spot Image"

The WMS URL for use in JOSM is :
http://ws.spotimage.com/spotlive/wms/594c4e05-0160-41b8-908e-8331305dcefc?FORMAT=image/jpeg&VERSION=1.1.1&SERVICE=WMS&REQUEST=GetMap&Layers=spotlive&;

More details are on the wiki :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/En:WikiProject_Ivory_Coast

Thanks

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Re: [OSM-talk] Named passages on hiking paths

[M∡rtin Koppenhoefer]

2011/3/14 Steve Doerr :
> On 14/03/2011 20:34, Phil Endecott wrote:
> I think the OP's problem is a particular example of a more general problem,
> of tagging a particular stretch of a way with a specific name which doesn't
> negate the name of the way as a whole. You get that with terraces, parades,
> etc. on roads, with reaches of a river, and no doubt with other features as
> well.


yes, this also occurs sometimes on bridges and squares: the way
although keeping its name gets additionally another name while running
on this feature.

cheers,
Martin

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[OSM-talk] JOSM?Merkaartor but not Potlatch (was Re: New SPOT imagery over Ivory Coast)

[Steve Doerr]

On 15/03/2011 09:11, Frédéric Bonifas wrote:


Tracing is allowed in JOSM and Merkaartor but not Potlatch.


That's the second time I've seen that condition attached to a donation 
of imagery to the project. What is the reason for it?


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Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM?Merkaartor but not Potlatch (was Re: New SPOT imagery over Ivory Coast)

[Frédéric Bonifas]

For now, SPOT doesn't want the imagery to be used in a web app, but
only with desktop ones.
The complete license in here : http://www.youmapps.org/licenses/EULA-OSM-en.html

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2011/3/15 Steve Doerr :
> On 15/03/2011 09:11, Frédéric Bonifas wrote:
>
>> Tracing is allowed in JOSM and Merkaartor but not Potlatch.
>
> That's the second time I've seen that condition attached to a donation of
> imagery to the project. What is the reason for it?
>
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[OSM-talk] Crisis mapping - assistance requested for infrastructure mapping in Tohoku/Japan

[Tomomichi Hayakawa]

Now we are mapping around tsunami/earthquake afflicted area.
Broad area has affected, so we need help to create base map.
Please help us.

There are some high-resolution  Bing area around tohoku.
Aomori, Hachinohe, Sanriku (Kamaishi to Miyako),
Sendai, Kurihara, ichinoseki,Oou, Hanamaki, Morioka, Iwaki ...etc
Here is a Bing-area map on google map.
http://maps.google.co.jp/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&brcurrent=3,0x34674e0fd77f192f:0xf54275d47c665244,0&msa=0&ll=39.491324,141.152344&spn=3.598772,6.421509&z=8&msid=214659934638657454830.00049e3467120e402f8cb

Till new imagely will come, we are trying to create base map
as fare as we can.

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[OSM-talk] Interested in Assisting Newbies to Help Map Japan?

[Kate Chapman]

Hey All,

CrisisCommons has a bunch of volunteers who would like to help map
Japan.  They have never mapped in OpenStreetMap before.

Is anyone interested in helping them along?  It was suggested making a
quick Youtube video (similar to what I did for Haiti:
http://www.youtube.com/wonderchook#p/a/u/2/D6pBBK1SHh0).  I just don't
have any bandwidth to take this on at the moment.

They were also hoping someone could answer some questions over Skype.

If anyone is interested let me know.

Thanks,

Kate
user:wonderchook

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Re: [OSM-talk] Interested in Assisting Newbies to Help Map Japan?

[Steve Coast]

how about pointing them at

http://irc.openstreemap.org/ ?

it's not perfect, but... better than nothing

On 3/15/2011 10:09 AM, Kate Chapman wrote:

Hey All,

CrisisCommons has a bunch of volunteers who would like to help map
Japan.  They have never mapped in OpenStreetMap before.

Is anyone interested in helping them along?  It was suggested making a
quick Youtube video (similar to what I did for Haiti:
http://www.youtube.com/wonderchook#p/a/u/2/D6pBBK1SHh0).  I just don't
have any bandwidth to take this on at the moment.

They were also hoping someone could answer some questions over Skype.

If anyone is interested let me know.

Thanks,

Kate
user:wonderchook

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Re: [OSM-talk] Crisis mapping - assistance requested for infrastructure mapping in Tohoku/Japan

[Gary68]

under the following link you can find several checks that will
significantly improve routing aibility of japanese north east.

more checks will be added soon! when they are produced. i will run these
checks frequently but don't know the exact frequency yet. depends on run
time and demand.

checks currently cover lat > 36.15 and lon > 140

http://www.gary68.de/osm/qa/japan/japan.zip

please do organize work on that page.

all the best!

gerhard

On Wed, 2011-03-16 at 01:18 +0900, Tomomichi Hayakawa wrote:
> Now we are mapping around tsunami/earthquake afflicted area.
> Broad area has affected, so we need help to create base map.
> Please help us.
> 
> There are some high-resolution  Bing area around tohoku.
> Aomori, Hachinohe, Sanriku (Kamaishi to Miyako),
> Sendai, Kurihara, ichinoseki,Oou, Hanamaki, Morioka, Iwaki ...etc
> Here is a Bing-area map on google map.
> http://maps.google.co.jp/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&brcurrent=3,0x34674e0fd77f192f:0xf54275d47c665244,0&msa=0&ll=39.491324,141.152344&spn=3.598772,6.421509&z=8&msid=214659934638657454830.00049e3467120e402f8cb
> 
> Till new imagely will come, we are trying to create base map
> as fare as we can.
> 
> Thanks.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Crisis mapping - assistance requested for infrastructure mapping in Tohoku/Japan

[Gary68]

sorry. just posted link to data...

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Aktionen/Aktion_15

that's the wiki page.

data is linked in wiki as well.

cheers

gerhard


On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 21:10 +0100, Gary68 wrote:
> under the following link you can find several checks that will
> significantly improve routing aibility of japanese north east.
> 
> more checks will be added soon! when they are produced. i will run these
> checks frequently but don't know the exact frequency yet. depends on run
> time and demand.
> 
> checks currently cover lat > 36.15 and lon > 140
> 
> http://www.gary68.de/osm/qa/japan/japan.zip
> 
> please do organize work on that page.
> 
> all the best!
> 
> gerhard
> 
> On Wed, 2011-03-16 at 01:18 +0900, Tomomichi Hayakawa wrote:
> > Now we are mapping around tsunami/earthquake afflicted area.
> > Broad area has affected, so we need help to create base map.
> > Please help us.
> > 
> > There are some high-resolution  Bing area around tohoku.
> > Aomori, Hachinohe, Sanriku (Kamaishi to Miyako),
> > Sendai, Kurihara, ichinoseki,Oou, Hanamaki, Morioka, Iwaki ...etc
> > Here is a Bing-area map on google map.
> > http://maps.google.co.jp/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&brcurrent=3,0x34674e0fd77f192f:0xf54275d47c665244,0&msa=0&ll=39.491324,141.152344&spn=3.598772,6.421509&z=8&msid=214659934638657454830.00049e3467120e402f8cb
> > 
> > Till new imagely will come, we are trying to create base map
> > as fare as we can.
> > 
> > Thanks.
> > 
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[OSM-talk] Movement of Japan coastline

[Andrew Guertin]

I've read news reports (e.g. [1]) that the entire country of Japan has moved 
about 2.4 meters (8 feet) because of the recent earthquake. Is this something 
that we want to deal with on a large-scale basis? If so, should it be done soon, 
before people start mapping from updated imagery and mix old and new positions? 
Or is 2.4 meters not enough to worry about?


Unfortunately the articles I've found have been very lacking in details, such as 
moved relative to what? In what direction?



[1] 
http://articles.cnn.com/2011-03-12/world/japan.earthquake.tsunami.earth_1_tsunami-usgs-geophysicist-quake?_s=PM:WORLD


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Re: [OSM-talk] Crisis mapping - assistance requested for infrastructure mapping in Tohoku/Japan

[Jean-Guilhem Cailton]

For those that would not be aware of it, there is a bilingual wiki page:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2011_Sendai_earthquake_and_tsunami

Best wishes,

Jean-Guilhem


Le 15/03/2011 17:18, Tomomichi Hayakawa a écrit :
> Now we are mapping around tsunami/earthquake afflicted area.
> Broad area has affected, so we need help to create base map.
> Please help us.
>
> There are some high-resolution  Bing area around tohoku.
> Aomori, Hachinohe, Sanriku (Kamaishi to Miyako),
> Sendai, Kurihara, ichinoseki,Oou, Hanamaki, Morioka, Iwaki ...etc
> Here is a Bing-area map on google map.
> http://maps.google.co.jp/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&brcurrent=3,0x34674e0fd77f192f:0xf54275d47c665244,0&msa=0&ll=39.491324,141.152344&spn=3.598772,6.421509&z=8&msid=214659934638657454830.00049e3467120e402f8cb
>
> Till new imagely will come, we are trying to create base map
> as fare as we can.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Movement of Japan coastline

[simon]

> Unfortunately the articles I've found have been very lacking in details,
> such as
> moved relative to what? In what direction?
>

Tomoji (developer of RTKLib) has some commentary on his blog about the
movement of GPS stations during the quake:
http://gpspp.sakura.ne.jp/diary201103.htm

He may be able to provide links for data to compute 'perminant' movement.
Simon




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Re: [OSM-talk] Crisis mapping - assistance requested for infrastructure mapping in Tohoku/Japan

[Daniel Kastl]

If you want to help mapping Japan and don't know where, take a look at this
map:
http://www.arcgis.com/home/webmap/viewer.html?webmap=667dc8e453c347cfb89a846d6dffb61d

Orange: Tsunami affected area
Purple: areas with many people at the moment

Thank you to Ikiya for this information!

Daniel


2011/3/16 Tomomichi Hayakawa 

> Now we are mapping around tsunami/earthquake afflicted area.
> Broad area has affected, so we need help to create base map.
> Please help us.
>
> There are some high-resolution  Bing area around tohoku.
> Aomori, Hachinohe, Sanriku (Kamaishi to Miyako),
> Sendai, Kurihara, ichinoseki,Oou, Hanamaki, Morioka, Iwaki ...etc
> Here is a Bing-area map on google map.
>
> http://maps.google.co.jp/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&brcurrent=3,0x34674e0fd77f192f:0xf54275d47c665244,0&msa=0&ll=39.491324,141.152344&spn=3.598772,6.421509&z=8&msid=214659934638657454830.00049e3467120e402f8cb
>
> Till new imagely will come, we are trying to create base map
> as fare as we can.
>
> Thanks.
>
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